'We're going back to 1947': Tory MP pressed on Sunak's mandatory national service plan
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- As Rishi Sunak plans to bring back mandatory national service if he wins the general election, Paul Brand wonders why we're putting this 'burden' on the younger generation.
18-year-olds would have a choice of either joining the military full-time for a year, or volunteering for a weekend every month carrying out a community service.
Speaking to Tory MP, Tobias Ellwood, Paul Brand asks: 'Why are the Tories claiming that Labour would take us back to square one, yet they're taking us back to 1947?'
In response, Elwood says it's because we've entered a 'grim chapter in our history' that we simply must prepare for.
Brand also interviews Naomi Smith, Chief Executive of Best for Britain, who stresses Sunak's plan 'smacks of desperation' and 'feels like a punishment for the young'.
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I am 63 yrs old and 5 mins in and livid on behalf of young people at the arrogance of imposing on a generation that your government have taken so much hope away from now you want them to ‘offer their lives for their country’ - FU!
61 year old here, and I totally agree 👏
👏 👏 👏
Hey kids.
We just spent 14 years gutting the Armed Forces. If there is a war soldiers will have to go into battle in an Uber ride share armed only with a wry sense of humour.
Wanna join?
Many people wanting younger people to potentially make sacrifices for those who have never been asked to and knew it would never been asked of them either.
Conscription? I predict a Vietnam war draft evasion will become a thing...... A dinghy over to France will suffice........
Reintroduce national pride, vote a Tory out
And put who in?
Voting doesn't work...
Great. And replace with whom?
Relock the asylum ,springs to mind, the Tories are getting more bonkers by the day😮..........
Never mind nationalist, jingoist claptrap, reintroduce a sense of social justice and of uniting against the so-called elites
My son is not fighting for a country that has zero respect for their citizens.
Come on for brexit, for uncle Boris
I can understand that the country is ruined since Blair in 97 and these pathetic weak Tories.
Britain has been on rapid decline since 1997 I quite agree.
@@zoltan-zq3xeyou seem to forgot to log into your other account to agree with yourself. 🤡
it increases the skill shortage UK young citizens would like likely choose to live abroad instead of facing national service here. These days it increases emigration wherever it exists
As selfish as it seems, I don't want to put my life on the life for a government that has done nothing for the young. I'm well past 18, but I'm still "young". I've worked hard and paid taxes only to be treated poorly.
@user-SubvurzIV You owe no government anything. The tories have been a sell out. But it was Labour that took us into the Iraq war. So you are mot being srlfish.
Exactly, plus they don't even listen to us. Rishi and his kids should go join the army
Putting your life on the line for somebody like sunak !!! How Sick Cant It Get !!!...
Not to mention that the Government has allowed our Country to be invaded without a single shot being fired in retaliation, in case some sheet wearer gets upset that their 'human' rights are being breached !
What we currently have in the UK, is a Trojan Horse situation of epic proportions, as it's Country wide !
HIS daughters will be safe in California!! Hypocritical or what?!! @@freddywilson
As someone with 3 children under 16, there is no way I’d trust the government with their safety.
At best they would be making coffee and at worst belittled and abused by the people in charge of them
@@JamesHardaker You mean at worst bleeding out missing a limb in some trench
@@Aethul-wd9ke 95% would go to a public institution like the police or fire brigade and be branded useless because of the way this scheme has been worded
@Aethul-wd9ke 100% last time this was inacted it was pre ww2 and second war started it was pushed from young people (early to mid teens) to 18 to 40. So no thanks! Only person who I can trust is myself and not some country ! Just look at Ukraine
@Aethul-wd9ke 100% last time this was inacted it was pre ww2 and second war started it was pushed from young people (early to mid teens) to 18 to 40. So no thanks! Only person who I can trust is myself and not some country ! Just look at Ukraine
"About time some people do something for the country” - I totally agree, it's about time people like Rishi Sunak start actually paying taxes.
Thank you sir.
maybe the national service threshold should be based on income not age, new highest tax band becomes risking your life that would balance things up a bit. Tax avoision becomes a life time subscription to frontline service.
Maybe Sunak should work in the Army for a year.
Only because you're old and wouldn't have to go to a war.
@@evidence4all-re6gfthey don't have uniforms in children's sizes.
Better idea, why don’t we send the entire Conservative Party
That would be perfect ...LoL
Yeah to prison
I’m sure Sunak will be sending his kids.
@professorpigeon6517 There's not many left lol
Send them to Rwanda. It's a "safe" country after all
As a former soldier and recent reservist, national service is ridiculous. It's emotional nonsense of the Tories thinking we live in the past. Build a better military for the future, don't break international relationships with our neighbours, stop wasting money on corruption with your friends. The army does not want unmotivated people. David Cameron tried this with his volunteering scheme in 2010 to get elected then did nothing. Plus why young people, oh they don't vote. Try doing it with older people you Tory
Exactly - also, don’t they realise that the UK is a vastly different place to how it was 64 years ago? Society is fragmented, that’s not necessarily a negative per se - it’s just indicative of a more diverse and complicated (and more progressive) society.
You talk the truth.
Feels to me like a desperate political stunt for the election. It could backfire.
Agreed I remember when cameron tried the same thing...
I'd also be worried about things like national security. Forcing people to join the military against their will probably isn't going to fill them will a patriotic sense of duty towards the government that has put them in that position. It's also going to be inevitable that is will reinforce class divides as you can bet the people with money and power will be able to get their own children out of it.
Better pay and guaranteed housing or a significant reduction in mortgage payments may incentivise some.
Why should young people be forced to volunteer for a country that offers them nothing.
This country offers so much that half the world wants to come here!
@Maugirl2 Yeah but not for the yt people who live here, they will be the ones who have the privilege of going to war while the newcomers sit with their feet up.
Because flags and kings and stuff.
*THIS, EXACTLY THIS* !!!!🙄🙄🙄
@@Jamie-v5o but you don't object if brown people were in favour of these things for themselves.
I am very sorry, I used to think Tobias Ellwood is the only serious person on the conservative back benches, it's now plainly obvious he is a clown.
You lot cut our defense spending and capability to joke levels. 18 year olds should not be asked for mandatory service for a country that offers them very little
Not Tobias Elwood's finest moment. He must have known he was defending an electioneering stunt and he would look like a clown. Personally I would have said "This is an important topic and we need a national conversation BUT now is not the time for a policy like this". But the Tories look to be in panic mode.....'Don't panic Mr Sunak, don't panic!!'
They don't like it up them.😅😅😅
Hes a WEF globalist warmonger
Tories: "how do we gurantee older voters, most of whom aren't old enough to have done National Service, vote for us? Lets demonise the young some more! Plus we get to bolster the military on the cheap!"
I'd vote for young people to wash my bottom and clean the growths off my feet.....and it isn't going to cost me a penny. Free care. I might even manage to save enough for another cruise around the Med once a year. What a wonderful idea!
@@Sean006 Sounds like someone's voting to have a terrible "accident" 😂
A sign of desperation. The man is a joke.
And he's one of the sensible ones.
You never studied history at school did you?
@@braxxian No point in history THE BOOKS NEVER HAD THE MAIN POINTS OR THE MAIN AGENTS NAMED. A history book is a cobweb . MOSTLY EMPTY SPACES
@@braxxiana superpower trying to force young people to bolster their standing army is indeed a sign of desperation
This is a disgusting policy, I thought we had moved on from the age of forced labour. Why should you get to order my children to go work for free to repair the institutions that you’ve intentionally run into the ground over last decade? If my kids want to volunteer or join a Public service it will be because they choose to not because these cretins tell them to. If you want young people to feel a sense of civic duty, try making this into a country they can feel proud of again instead of threatening them with prison if they don’t comply. 🤬
Very well put.
I afraid not, nowadays it's called compulsory volunteering or work exsperence or work placement ...
COULD NOT AGRRE WITH YOU MORE
@@jsd8981could also be called free labour for employers to help them improve their profits.
@@jsd8981 didn’t they get taken to court over that years ago? Swear they lost too but could be misremembering
Anything but pay people a proper wage
Can't do that Julian! Would mean their mates wouldn't be able to buy everything and anything they wanted anymore and may have to actually learn to budget!!!
Tobias, your party has created a country that people are struggling to feel patriotic about. Maybe if your party had spent 15 years making the country a better place, this policy would have been better received?
Tobias is right that we need this conversation. But to introduce it now as a cynical election stunt is disgraceful. He should have distanced himself from this policy. Now is not the time. And we need to offer the young people opportunities not force them to do things that we (the older generations) don't want to do. The Tories have lost the plot.
@@Sean006 We don't need this conversation at all. The Tories have decimated the hopes of young people, and now they come with menaces to demand our children fight to protect them.
@@Sean006 Tobias ignores the fact when we had national service the highest rate of tax was over 90%. So tax the rich and spend it on the military, create jobs and industry here. Not trying to do it on the effing cheap.
Leave our children alone rishi
No his right kids lazy
Labour are already planning to do this. Building an Army to invade Africa and the Middle East. Why do you think they are emptying it of all its men. Lured away with free stuff. This is just Sunak letting the cat out of the bag. Labour love a war! Labour are well known for taking this country to war.
@@shannybeautifulchannel2410 why are all you right wingers illiterate? "He's"
“Do it for the Nation” states Tobias. What has the nation done for the youth of today within the last 14 years.
Made houses....
Unaffordable....
@klaus1085 dont blame immigrants for tory failures ya melt
They’ve done nothing for any citizen of this country, but they’ve done plenty for there friends in power and big buisnesss!
@klaus1085 Immigrants get 1% if our budget and I never see them in hospitals taking up all the space as some politicians imply, so it's not like everybody would suddenly be better off if they weren't around.
When I was 18 I got my fees paid, housing was much more affordable, transport much cheaper. This policy robs our youth of another year with no recompense. Utterly unacceptable.
It's typical Tory policy.....a hark back to supposedly halcyon days when "conscription made a man of me", but without the resources or reward for the young people forced to do it. A army on the cheap!
The world is different than the time you were young. If Trump is elected, NATO will be gone. Europe will be left to fend for herself.
More like 1847. They’ll have us all in workhouses with kids running around the streets in rags.
Exactly They would love that...
Unfortunately I don't think workhouses are too far away in a Tory future. Hopefully Labour can stop the rot. But we are becoming reliant on food banks and cheap labour.
That was a very bad year in Ireland...
The House Of Lords has said this Govt has regressed not progressed this country. Taking it too far back now.
The sad thing is, the old angry tory codgers will fall for this nonsense. Pathetic.
But they already vote Tory, so who else are they pleasing with this? It's a weird one.
@robmoore396 I think that alot of the older ones have fallen out of love with them so I think this is to shepherd them back
They already vote Tory, I'm going to be blunt - they're dying soon anyhoo, and they've never cared about the truth or honesty anyway - it's the same bunch of old people who will argue that they are always right regardless of how clearly wrong everyone else can see they are.
I’m 32 this year and quite frankly I think this is an absolutely appalling conversation to be having this day and age. Absolutely no one should be made to fight if they don’t want to especially for some odious high society that think they own us and we are their play things apart from when they and their way of life needs protecting…
Fully agree. Some people in this comments section are utterly insane
Very well expressed!
well thankfully they wont be elected and it wont happen and thank you tories you will wake up the kids politically to make sure the tories never make as comeback
Deflection.
@@norawright807 them or my comment?
Devious despicable Tories truly disgusting!!
And what about Labour please?
@LD-by7ko what about them?
Please please please! Let us know who are better? 🙏
@@paul8161 You've just answered a question with a question?
@@LD-by7ko that's up to you to make that decision no one else.🤣
“About time young people do something for the country”
-old person that never did National Service
To be fair - he is a reservist.
@@YellowfinGroupera reservist by choice.
Long as it isn't THEIR kids I suppose
Keir Starmer was worried about how to get young people out to vote, but now he is going to send a thank you letter to Rishi Sunak instead. This is a great way to get the young vote out for the next 10 years.
@@syttt7925 Ha. I thought that too when I heard that nonsense first thing. If I were a teenager that would guarantee my vote going to not the tory.
Tories are so desperate
desperate to lose apparently
Why shouldn't we be prepared for an inevitable war?
@@lewdawg92 Lead by example then, Lewis. Go sign up. Come back to us when you have.
@@lewdawg92because there is not an “inevitable” war at all. Thanks for the fearmongering but a lot of us are not willing to engage in this attempt to bring further authoritarianism to the UK.
@@lewdawg92 No inevitable war. And if you want to prepare, rebuild the armed forces. Conscription isn't going to fly.
Never seen a better reason for 16 year olds to get the vote.
Co8ncidently what labours proposing which has turned me to be pronlabour now. That one promise for younger people to vote is such a game changer to our democracy's health.
@@domispablo7992 meanwhile lots of tories pushing to raise voting age to 21!
My dad did national service and was vehemently against it for the rest of his life.
sounds a wise man
They won’t be forcing my son to join no army it’s his choice!! 😡😡
He needs to give his life so Randy Andy can live in comfort.
"We've got rising authoritarianism..." Yeah, a prime example is this government.
Tories talking about values, national ethics? Are they oblivious to the irony?
Ok... Let's also bring back council housing then.
That would be a winner, that is why no Party has thought of it.
More building and apprenticeships might help the young.
No they offered them to pensioners waiting for their pension age knowing that would never happen. Not enough available for the young even! They just talk BS.
@@janetmalcolm6191 Bringing back Apprenticeships is just common sense.
It might get the young vote out- to vote against it. This could be the solution to young people not being engaged with politics.
This. I think it will loose them more votes than it wins.
It could backfire. But I expect they have crunched the numbers and factored in young people voting apathy. But this could create a social media storm, which is impossible to factor in.
i can see this giving labour another 5 percent
Obviously SUNAK does not want to be elected prime minister.
It is quite clever and cynical at the same time. It appeals to older voters who vote more than the young and look back 'fondly' on anything from the past. It also impacts solely the young who probably aren't ever going to vote Tory in upcoming election and don't vote anyway in large numbers. It's sad, it's desperate, the public will see straight through it.....hopefully.
he doesn't want to be the leader who led britian into WW3 that's the plan from the top. thank me later
he doesnt want to be a war time prime minister, and we are in war. andrew bridgen already exposed it
I am not convinced the election will be held on the 4th of July '24.
They will start a bigger w a r b4 that day.
@@Sean006 conscription age is a group larger than you think and the too young to vote are future voters too do this for one election even if it worked it would cost you infuture voters and the old that supported it would soon be dead and gone its IDIOCY
Nothing the Tories say matters. They will be gone in a few months and we can all forget about them for hopefully a generation.
Election day is in 5 and a half weeks.
Youngsters will come back in body bags more trauma for parents
Forcing someone to volunteer is slavery, telling someone to chose between slavery or joining an army is openly evil.
Smells like communism
It's a silly idea but no need to be quite so hysterical about it!
Not slavery our kids lazy
@@shannybeautifulchannel2410 Skill issue on the parents side.
@@TheGeneReyva yes im fine
National service never did me any harm...
Mainly because I was born after 1944.
Forcing your will onto others
Yeah, it did you no harm at all
lol
@@Beyond_Belief534 I'm rather biased, but honestly i saw it just as a continuation of school. I did mine in 2005 before Sweden dismantled our mandatory service requirements... I went into the field medic program and basically more or less went trough a limited nurse education with military elements. Conscription don't have to be a bad thing depending on how you decide to set it up. I got offered top of the line education and decent pay, sure i wasn't allowed to make a choice if i wanted to go or not but there was choices to be made within the system. A lot of people went into civil service programs and became electricians, firefighters, medics, mechanics etc. which ain't useless skills to have and for many it was just a continuation of their planned education anyway.
@@Beyond_Belief534 the ahh, joke flew right over your head there, didnt it bud?
@@magnuscarlsson9969I'm guessing you have never attended a Tory work experience programme.
@@magnuscarlsson9969 yeah but your country doesnt let their service personnel live on the streets when they come back
Morning Tobias...Bournemouth voter here. Dont worry, you will have plenty of time for volunteer work from next month.
lol!!
The military don't want this. Training people that don't want to be there is a nightmare
Somewhat irrelevant anyway, pretty sure about 90% of 18 year olds would take up the once a month charity work, rather than the military service for a year, but I take your point.
Charities don't want it either. Most volunteers are a drain on their resources. They need training and supervision. There has to be care given about access to vulnerable people and confidential documentation. Charities support volunteering as it is part of their remit, not because it benefits them (except where the volunteer becomes competent through long service).
I'm sick to death of social policy that is cribbed from 'The Daily Mail'.
That will be the Tories manifesto a copy of the Daily Fail
I will never EVER vote Conservative again. EVER.
Why vote EVER?
I'm not voting this time around, and neither is my 80yr old mother. The so-called pandemic absolutely woke me up! Yes...about time!
Never did
And your fellow Brits will surely be grateful for that. This country cannot afford the Tories ever again in my lifetime. They have gutted everything, and given nothing back, and then have the gall to demand sacrifices of everyone but themselves.
@@alicejwhoIf you waste your vote it won't help get this lot out!
Civic duty? What example has the Tory Party given us?
Forced labour. No f*cking chance.
How does a whole generation of 18 year olds working for Charity once a month bolster the armed forces?
Feed the homeless who will be on the front; perhaps?
Or help charities that support ex-service people as this government does nothing to help them.
As a parent of an 11 year old, would I vote to make my son join the army!? Of course not. That's insane. I'd like him to get to 19 with all his limbs and no PTSD thanks.
And I think it should be the choice of the young person to make that decision not rishi to make decisions for them
Used to have respect for Tobias Elwood as a voice of reason within the Tory party but after listening to his frankly arrogant sweeping aside of the argument that the young, having to go through generational unfairness that his Boomer generation has benefitted greatly from, he’s totally lost my respect.
If you’re expecting the young to support your policies and instill the values you respect then you have respect them by introducing policies that will benefit not take away from their lives.
Tories are TAKE TAKE TAKE from the younger generations.
I would hope that people lost respect for Elwood when he produced that concerning and frankly idiotic pro-Taliban advert.
What a 🔔🔚 is this tobias, he constantly talks over Naomi when she says things he doesn't like but when he's talking bs and she talks he throws a mini tantrum...eff the tories
One rule for me but not for thee. Straight out the Tory handbook.
@quittalkingpish Guaranteed if it happened there would be a sudden outbreak of thing's like bone spurs amongst 18yos of the tory/rich.
Didn't he get a telling off for his praise of the Taliban on a visit to Afghanistan lol .
They talked over each other. She was clearly passionate about this topic. It would have been interesting to hear how he could defend the indefensible but he spent most of his time complaining about being interrupted. But I suppose we got the gist of things.
Brexit was another cause of international instability.... The expert is very narrow minded.
What is the the benefits of Brexit??? Sewage into the rivers and sea?? Scraping bonus cap for bankers to benefit the super rich?? Extra cost to check the incoming goods in the UK?? Leaving the Erasmus program which benefits the young people??
@klaus1085Adding some cry-laugh emojis doesn't make your comment seem more clever and triumphant.
@@mikusb9011 Yes the Tory party are chasing the over 80 votes as the youth generally are apathetic towards voting, but the oldies are always first out.
there's a 1930s feel and this time the uk is cosplaying as germany
How do you even come to this conclusion 😂
@@tom4381He's saying the British government are the bad guys this time around.
@@epicphailure88 Yeah, how?
@@tom4381 by using our eyes. we arent all tory simps like you.
@kanedNunable I don't and have never voted for the Tories. I would however love to know how they are in any way a National Socialist outfit in any meaningful way. I'm sure with your big brain and beady eyes you have all the information to help me figure out just how they are like 1930's German political party.
"Over the last 30 years we have had it increasingly easy"
No - You have had it increasingly easy! The young have had it increasingly difficult in that time
Send their children first
What do the 18 year olds get out of it? In the US if you do military service you get free University education and if you extend your stay in the army, you could be in reciept of a discount on housing.
Considering the young have had their prospects cut and cut and cut, what do they get?
What the tories always give empty promises, they take everything of value from you, and then kick you in the gutter
The young get a chance to die in some far off land for rich men in the city to increase their stock portfolio or enable the price of oil to increase. Lok at Iraq and Afghanistan... At this point I would rather fight the Tories and there voters than any foreigns.
Let the politicians do something for our country before they ask anything of us!!!
"The world us facing rising authoritarianism", says MP from authoritarian party.
Lunatic Party - The Tories.
The rich people who have spent fourteen years taking our money want our young people to protect them. 🤣
It feels like the 1940's because most of people voting for the Tories are obsessed with the 1940's. The british empire is gone and will never, ever, return.
If national service is so vital why are they feverishly scribbling the proposal 10 minutes before their homework is due.
Utterly ridiculous! If I 'd been told I had to do national service I would have point-blank refused. There should be no armed forces. Use diplomacy to tell the world to do what you want. And if they don't then use United Nations and international criminal courts to enforce what is needed.This is labour on the cheap, because the Government can't be bothered to properly fund the NHS.
Why should young people be forced to give to their country when their country refuses to give to them? Young people should not be forced to give their time and lives to the military when it is not young people starting these wars in the first place. Older people started the wars. They should fight their own battles and leave young people out of it.
I suspect that the Tories are actually terrified of winning at this point
In a couple days
"The tories plan to improve cost of living by introducing natural selection and regular purges to our daily lives"
In 1947 I think British Politics would have had considerably more integrity and credibility. These days its an enbarrasing and cringeworthy shambles and something of which We as a Nation should be deeply ashamed. When I see our Party Leaders on TV giving it like they're the Nations saving grace and Your vote for them will somehow be of remedial value, it turns My stomach.
I'm 45, I've worked all my life since 16, it took me 20 years to equal the wages my dad was on when he retired, and that was 14 years after he retired, wages for normal workers have been cutback a lot in the last 30 years
A lot of people are for others doing national services. Tories have already taken us to war, they just ain't told us yet.
House for youn..no
Work training..no
High wages..no
Uni fees scrap..no
Better schools..no
War yes lets spend the money we can not find for the rest
Paying tax is doing something for your nation. Something Tories consistently avoid.
Signs of a desperate and an unholy immoral bunch. I'm not a massive fan of labour either and I think there is a wider issue in politics but what I have witnessed over the last decade has been disgusting. This government has systematically destroyed the economy along with public services and wants the youth to do the work for nothing. I didn't think they could top zero hours contracts but they some how managed.
The wellbeing of people is linked to actually being able to have some disposable income left and not feeling as though you are simply existing. Trying doing that after coming out of university with a 40 grand debt for trying to better yourself then finding having a family / house is unaffordable. What planet do these idiots live on?
The economy was destroyed in 2010, no money left, a legacy of mountainous debts due to uncosted, unfunded Brown spending.
Unlike 1997, books balanced,...large Tory budget surpluses inherited by New Labour.
I wonder if this will apply to Sunaks kids ?
They'll disappear to America.
Well done Naomi smith.
Do you remember when bojo put the son of a kgb into the house of lords? It's great to hear someone who supported that being concerned for what is best for the nation.
That nation presumably being Russia.
Also refused to publish the report on Russia.
The Tories should vote against themselves
My grandson has done 2 years in the forces...the WHOLE platoon was finished on ill health because of the intense training...my grandson pressure fractures in his spine and loss of hearing in both ears 😠😠😠
I feel very sad for your grandson. Having a bad spine and loss of hearing will be with him for the rest of his life. Do hope he maintains the health he has as the NHS will not be able to treat him if that should be required
The Tories have a lot to answer for and yet answer they do not. Despicable. horrible vile creatures.
The difference is that, in the late 1930s, the UK government fought against fascism instead of promoting it.
you fought the wrong war
Elwood is right that it feels like the 1930s. Particularly in how his party and their government treat and talk about minorities.
Ditto those that insist on using terms such as ‘illegals’ or (for the even less well educated) ‘dingy people’.
It's wrong. It's disgusting.
I'm a 60 yr and wouldn't be willing to train in any part of the military where arrogant rich leaders will be hiding in their bunkers whilst I have to risk life and limb...
The Tories have done so much to bring about this 1930's situation (Russian money for Brexit)...
The EU army .
@@francesbrown5116 if only there was one because Tory Brexit Britain hasn't got so much as a penknife for defence 🖊 🤡 🇬🇧
And just what do the Tories thin an 18 year old is going to do while on mandatory volunteering in the NHS? Operations, Diagnostics, Empty Bed Pans?
Don't know,, you would need to ask "TOBIAS" LoL about that one TOBIAS seem to know all about emptying bed pans and the like and he seems to know all about Soldiering, TOBIAS seems like a man of the world, a regular guy LoL😂
Probably do the jobs of porters, cleaners and kitchen staff which means they can cut the hours of current workers doing the especially as it is weekends when they receive a slightly higher rate or is overtime for some.
@@lizdocherty3067 A lot of these staff are paid minimum wage. Cutting hours would be devastating to their family incomes. Someone I know works as a Band 2 operating theatre assistant told me that her daughter gets paid more than her working at Aldi. She is seriously considering leaving her job.
Most porters and cleaners are band 1,weekly paid, £22K a year, and some of those are zero hour contracts
Ellwood condradicts himself ,let him do it along with his tory mates
We should test this policy on the MPs who want to pursue it.
Every MP and Lords children need to spend 18months in the armed forces no exceptions, short of disabilities. Then we can talk about national service
Without automatically getting into officer training
No officer's just privates like everyone else, let then earn rank
Bring it on and us 18 year olds will show you exactly what reaction you will get.
Which is…
@@adam8268mass no compliance I expect. To which the government will not be able to respond. It’s unenforceable
make sure you all vote then!
We can’t even supply and run a small professional army properly… Sunak is in cloud cuckoo land 😂
We could, but the political choice is not to. Same as things like de privatisation and adequate funding of the NHS or local councils, social housing and on and on. All political choices and not a question of funding. Government can create and spend as much money as it wants. Just look at where the Government borrowing is now compared to 2010. They spaffed that money on themselves and their mates in a wealth transfer from the future taxes of the people. They didn't spend it on the things we need, defence, schools, hospitals, transport infrastructure, utilities..... Those are all just vehicles for the money transfer. See the water and rail companies use of our subsidy money to pay the massive dividends to shareholders and board members bonuses.
Sorry for the rant😅
It's insane. As a French citizen, I completed my national service in 1996. I was in one of the last contingents as it was abrogated in 1998. (1) Those with connections either did not do it or landed in cushy jobs. (2) Graduates were treated as cheap, educated labour by professional NCOs, most of whom did not even have the baccalaureate (3) Those graduates who expended their national service by 3 months for officer training were considered as worse than privates by professional NCOs. (4) That one year (it was 12 months at the time) delayed entry into the world of work. (5) who would want to serve for an institution that serves greedy politicians who wage illegal wars? There is no such thing as society anyway, who knows best than the Tories!
Naomi Smith 👏👏👏 thankyou for talking sense.
Maybe the UN would be in a better position to lead the world if the US and UK stopped trying to discredit it.
Perhaps for young offenders, knife wielding gang members could be conscripted into national service, but the armed forces surely wouldn’t want them.
Bad lads army, all over again lol
How many posh kids would end up doing national service in the military?
Have to make sure they do. If the media and press do not ask that question then citizens must force them to and do the same re Tories.
Their children as in young adults have no more value than working class children young adults.
Take away all opportunities and hope for the younger generation then expect them to do "mandatory" volunteering in order to provide an unpaid boost to the underfunded public services. WTAF...
Easy for Ellwood to say as he never had to serve under conscription!!
Keep the army professional.
Tories are really out of sensible ideas.
Rishi sunk 😂
Who’s going to train them? Oh yes the overstretched army🙄🙄🙄 pathetic policy 🤬🤬🤬
Has anybody asked the Army if they want them ? Or have the infrastructure to deal / cope with a several thousand raw recruits ? ... The alternative being which Tory donor gets the set up / out sourcing of the civilian side .... am sure there's a plan for graft and corruption around a whole swathe of supply / service contracts on an epic level
The majority of "champions" for this policy are people who didn't actually have to do compulsory national service.
He's desperate for this because he got beaten up by a group of kids he told off in the park
So we’re going to train them with even better fighting skills 🙄🙄🙄😂😂😂
You read my mind !!! LoL😅
Project fear campaign up and running i see .
Pensioner vote , during school holidays , festivals , International Tournaments, will it save them ?. And never asking why this is where we are because of who?. They had the tools and opportunity to make it different. So where are the zero hours contracts going to be filled then with a quarter of the working month now being allocated to free work for the state. I think we already know. Disgusting just pay the proffesionals and give them what they need and this wont be required.
Legalise recreational cannabis in the UK.
National Sevice was abolished in 1960 because the army was sick of spending money and time training young men who didn't want to be there, and because the public were horrified when young conscripts came back from Asia in body bags. This is just throwing a bone to older voters, very few of whom actually did National Service.
We need Brexit Service, the 52% should be out picking fruit and veg, volunteering in care homes etc. Why should 18 year olds fix the problems caused by people gullible enough to vote for Brexit and destroy their own country.
100% - the leave voters are the reason we have many gaps in our workforce. They should be conscripted to plug the gaps for the jobs they're able to do, ie fruit picking. It IS their civic duty, after all.
The people of Finland are also amongst the happiest in the world.
Best public services in Europe. Not like the British
finland has one of the highest levels of suicide and alcoholism.