Really enjoyed watching your video. I drive an EV and have had years of system driving. I find it so much more relaxed in an EV and the instant torque really helps. The balance of the car is generally better with all the weight spread across the floor pan and regen is the ultimate aid to acceleration sense😁👍
Looks like the future to me. Total focus can be on driving with no real need to move hands from the steering wheel. Expensive at present but prices coming down. Charging infrastructure needs to improve massively in the U.K. although the mileage range of electric cars has improved significantly.
I drive a Leaf and taking my Advanced Driving test in a Volvo Auto in the next month or so.....but as soon as I've passed my test I'm going to ask my local group if they'd like to come out with me in the Leaf for an observation drive to see how System works in the real world. More people are driving EV'S so surely Examiners should be ready for them coming through and encourage EV drivers to come to their local IAM groups.
Yes, the brake lights do illuminate when the retardation reaches a level equivalent to braking. In the final shot, there was no braking into the right hander, but the brake lights illuminate.
@@RegLocal the rules on Europe (and I guess elsewhere) are very clear about this, above a certain deceleration rate brake lights must be shown. So most EVs will be showing brake lights under strong regen but possibly not under lower regen settings (unlike Tesla most EVs can adjust the degree of regen, most via setting some via “flappy peddles”. These often allow zero regen (feels like coasting in neutral but completely safe/legal), it’s amazing how far an EV will roll in this mode on flat road. The one EV I am aware of that does not light up the brake lights is the Mercedes B-Class from 2015-approx-2018. I drove one for 77,000 miles and only once did someone comment I was slowing down without brake lights showing.
One point of order, EV's have an energy capacity, in KiloWattHours (kWh) and an instantaneous power output, measured in KiloWatts (kW). Your P90D has a 90 kWh battery (the total energy stored in that battery) which means, rather obviously, the car can use 90kW of power for an hour to empty the battery (energy being power times time) Also, once important driving point i find with my EV. When starting from zero speed, check, check again, and yes, again again for pedestrians. Years of hearing cars go "crank crank brummm" ie starting an audible engine before moving, means EVs, that start without any audible que catch pedestrians unaware! Once over about 15mph, there is enough tyre and wind noise that people seem to hear them coming, but below that, all round checks before moving are CRITICAL! (i call my EV the silent assassin, for both it's ability to drop ICEs off the lights, but also it's appetite for pedestrains who aren't paying attention.... ;-)
The storage capacity of the battery has nothing to do with the performance of the vehicle. The P90D would have around 397kW of combined motor power at maximum output. As a "D" it has dual motors, one on each axle, providing all wheel drive. The rear axle motor provides more power than the front axle motor. In terms of pedestrians in low-speed areas, you do have to anticipate that pedestrians may not be aware of your approach but I do find in practice that they do hear the tyre noise. Since the video was made new regulations were introduced for new EVs to emit a warning sound at low speeds.
I'm guessing this was done in standard mode. Most Teslas now seem to have a Chill mode which is fast enough, but doesn't give the extreme acceleration demonstrated in the standing start "test". It's not easy to switch between modes - which has to be done from the display, and probably won't work with the car moving. Normally not a problem, but some people might like to be able to do that. Also this demo doesn't show the Cruise control modes or the self driving or driving assist features which may be useful sometimes, but at other times are more trouble than they are worth.
The golden question of course is would you have one?! And fantastic video, thank you! I am toying with the idea of getting a Tesla and seeing how it suits an advanced driver is the perfect review for me!
Erm, honestly? Yeeees... and no. As a mode of transport it's absolutely superb and would be perfect for about 90% of the driving I do. But it's not a drivers car - it's not involving enough and I felt a little bit left out of the driving experience. It's ruthlessly effective, very nicely built, extremely clever and quite classy, but most of the time I felt like a passenger rather than a driver. I'd definitely have one if I could also have something with a V8, rear wheel drive and a manual gearbox for when I want to have a proper drive.
Hi Reg. Thanks for the video. Question: with regards to rolling off the brake pedal and then the continued significant deceleration due to the regenerative phase, do you think left foot braking is perhaps of greater use in an electric car than an ICE vehicle?
i left foot brake in my i3, (as i do in any car) but in an EV, you often don't go near the brake pedal for ages, so i often find having my left foot hovering near the brake if i might need to apply extra retardation can be usefull, rather than the somewhat clumsy delay in coming off the accel completely. Soon, i think EVs will only have one pedal, where fully lifted = full stop.
It may look like a 'really fun road to practice on' but bear in mind that a LOT of motorcyclists & cyclists use that road & there have been a few bad & fatal collisions on there. So take care please.
Another good, informative and interesting video. I always pick up more things every time I watch them. But a bit surprised you didn't edit out all the bits (4?) where you were driving above the speed limit. Touching 80 when you were chasing the Peugeot. But it's so easy to do in an electric car, they're so responsive and you do not have the sound of an engine making it more difficult to 'hear' your speed. I don't worry about it being quiet; you don't read too many stories of people being run down by a Rolls Royces because they didn't hear it coming.
Since the engine braking is so strong, I wonder if it would be beneficial for Tesla to have the brake lights come on automatically when speed drops quickly without the brake being applied? Is it just me, or did you keep your foot stomped firmly on the brake instead of applying the handbrake at 14:24? ;-)
Reversing out of a parking space can be a problem with EVs. Many have "auto" brake release so the brake comes off if power is applied. However, this may result in them going off backwards at really quite a high speed as the brake may not come off until the accelerator pedal is press down some way - inappropriate for the situation. It may be helpful to explicitly release the brake, and then apply power slowly. This is usually less of a problem going forwards.
@@RegLocal most EVs then and all EVs now have a sound emitting device (for pedestrians) at low speed but drivers should super aware of pedestrians in such situations because they lights be dead (or blind) or even just wearing headphones.
Fantastic car and I was lucky enough to have the pleasure of being in this car with Reg. The acceleration is truly unbelievable
Really enjoyed watching your video. I drive an EV and have had years of system driving. I find it so much more relaxed in an EV and the instant torque really helps. The balance of the car is generally better with all the weight spread across the floor pan and regen is the ultimate aid to acceleration sense😁👍
Looks like the future to me. Total focus can be on driving with no real need to move hands from the steering wheel. Expensive at present but prices coming down. Charging infrastructure needs to improve massively in the U.K. although the mileage range of electric cars has improved significantly.
I drive a Leaf and taking my Advanced Driving test in a Volvo Auto in the next month or so.....but as soon as I've passed my test I'm going to ask my local group if they'd like to come out with me in the Leaf for an observation drive to see how System works in the real world.
More people are driving EV'S so surely Examiners should be ready for them coming through and encourage EV drivers to come to their local IAM groups.
As the retardation is so significant, do the brake light show during this phase. I can picture a number of rear end shunts if not.
Yes, the brake lights do illuminate when the retardation reaches a level equivalent to braking. In the final shot, there was no braking into the right hander, but the brake lights illuminate.
@@RegLocal the rules on Europe (and I guess elsewhere) are very clear about this, above a certain deceleration rate brake lights must be shown. So most EVs will be showing brake lights under strong regen but possibly not under lower regen settings (unlike Tesla most EVs can adjust the degree of regen, most via setting some via “flappy peddles”. These often allow zero regen (feels like coasting in neutral but completely safe/legal), it’s amazing how far an EV will roll in this mode on flat road.
The one EV I am aware of that does not light up the brake lights is the Mercedes B-Class from 2015-approx-2018. I drove one for 77,000 miles and only once did someone comment I was slowing down without brake lights showing.
One point of order, EV's have an energy capacity, in KiloWattHours (kWh) and an instantaneous power output, measured in KiloWatts (kW). Your P90D has a 90 kWh battery (the total energy stored in that battery) which means, rather obviously, the car can use 90kW of power for an hour to empty the battery (energy being power times time)
Also, once important driving point i find with my EV. When starting from zero speed, check, check again, and yes, again again for pedestrians. Years of hearing cars go "crank crank brummm" ie starting an audible engine before moving, means EVs, that start without any audible que catch pedestrians unaware! Once over about 15mph, there is enough tyre and wind noise that people seem to hear them coming, but below that, all round checks before moving are CRITICAL! (i call my EV the silent assassin, for both it's ability to drop ICEs off the lights, but also it's appetite for pedestrains who aren't paying attention.... ;-)
Thanks Max - your technical knowledge is far superior to mine!
The storage capacity of the battery has nothing to do with the performance of the vehicle. The P90D would have around 397kW of combined motor power at maximum output. As a "D" it has dual motors, one on each axle, providing all wheel drive. The rear axle motor provides more power than the front axle motor. In terms of pedestrians in low-speed areas, you do have to anticipate that pedestrians may not be aware of your approach but I do find in practice that they do hear the tyre noise. Since the video was made new regulations were introduced for new EVs to emit a warning sound at low speeds.
I'm guessing this was done in standard mode. Most Teslas now seem to have a Chill mode which is fast enough, but doesn't give the extreme acceleration demonstrated in the standing start "test".
It's not easy to switch between modes - which has to be done from the display, and probably won't work with the car moving. Normally not a problem, but some people might like to be able to do that. Also this demo doesn't show the Cruise control modes or the self driving or driving assist features which may be useful sometimes, but at other times are more trouble than they are worth.
Thoroughly enjoyed watching this video! Great stuff, Reg! Changing my view on electric cars now :) Thanks a lot for the insights and a nice drive!
Take care that when the car is fully charged then there is no regenerative braking. This has nearly caught me a out a few times:)
The golden question of course is would you have one?!
And fantastic video, thank you! I am toying with the idea of getting a Tesla and seeing how it suits an advanced driver is the perfect review for me!
Erm, honestly? Yeeees... and no. As a mode of transport it's absolutely superb and would be perfect for about 90% of the driving I do. But it's not a drivers car - it's not involving enough and I felt a little bit left out of the driving experience. It's ruthlessly effective, very nicely built, extremely clever and quite classy, but most of the time I felt like a passenger rather than a driver. I'd definitely have one if I could also have something with a V8, rear wheel drive and a manual gearbox for when I want to have a proper drive.
Good video. Really looks like the near future of every day cars
Hi Reg. Thanks for the video. Question: with regards to rolling off the brake pedal and then the continued significant deceleration due to the regenerative phase, do you think left foot braking is perhaps of greater use in an electric car than an ICE vehicle?
i left foot brake in my i3, (as i do in any car) but in an EV, you often don't go near the brake pedal for ages, so i often find having my left foot hovering near the brake if i might need to apply extra retardation can be usefull, rather than the somewhat clumsy delay in coming off the accel completely. Soon, i think EVs will only have one pedal, where fully lifted = full stop.
Great driving - Which country road are you on from 11:00 onwards? Looks like a really fun road to practice on
Hi Jason, its Rivington Road between Rivington and Belmont in Lancashire.
Reg Local thanks for the response! Please keep uploading as I really enjoy your videos
It may look like a 'really fun road to practice on' but bear in mind that a LOT of motorcyclists & cyclists use that road & there have been a few bad & fatal collisions on there. So take care please.
Edd Lancashire thanks for the heads up! will be careful
Have you plans to do an advanced driving video in a hybrid car?
Another good, informative and interesting video. I always pick up more things every time I watch them. But a bit surprised you didn't edit out all the bits (4?) where you were driving above the speed limit. Touching 80 when you were chasing the Peugeot. But it's so easy to do in an electric car, they're so responsive and you do not have the sound of an engine making it more difficult to 'hear' your speed. I don't worry about it being quiet; you don't read too many stories of people being run down by a Rolls Royces because they didn't hear it coming.
Reg, can I use a bit of this video at my local IAM group meeting, I am doing a little overview of electric cars and this piece is just excellent.
Hi Micky, yes, of course, as long as I’m credited. Thanks for asking.
@@RegLocal Many thanks Reg, you will be swamped with credit, and hopefully have a few new subscribers
Since the engine braking is so strong, I wonder if it would be beneficial for Tesla to have the brake lights come on automatically when speed drops quickly without the brake being applied?
Is it just me, or did you keep your foot stomped firmly on the brake instead of applying the handbrake at 14:24? ;-)
The brake lights do come on automatically with the regen braking.
Do you feel you have to more careful in town? As people simply just won't hear you coming?
Only up to about 15mph Michael. After that the tyres make enough noise on the road surface to make pedestrians aware of your presence.
Reversing out of a parking space can be a problem with EVs. Many have "auto" brake release so the brake comes off if power is applied. However, this may result in them going off backwards at really quite a high speed as the brake may not come off until the accelerator pedal is press down some way - inappropriate for the situation. It may be helpful to explicitly release the brake, and then apply power slowly. This is usually less of a problem going forwards.
@@RegLocal most EVs then and all EVs now have a sound emitting device (for pedestrians) at low speed but drivers should super aware of pedestrians in such situations because they lights be dead (or blind) or even just wearing headphones.
What was the off road area?
Had to laugh at the 'off road' area. As if that actually existed. An excuse for breaking the speed limit on the public highway I think.
Proper driving and skilled
What’s that at 4:03?
UFO.