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- Quite a long video this one, but there's a lot to cover. This is my introduction to overtaking - I've given a description of the basic principles and a demonstration of how to follow vehicles & how & where to look for the opportunities to overtake.
The last 10 minutes is a montage of clips taken over the last few months showing overtakes where I have applied the principles described in the first part of this video.
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Dear Reg, Excellent series. Though been driving for 40 years I periodically refresh my roadcraft (having appreciated the value from an advanced driving course [in which the first question was ''When the last time you read the Highway Code'']). My passengers and me are just as refreshed after a long journey as when we started out (those other drivers who wish to meet their God sooner are welcome to do so). I don't listen to the radio concentrating instead and warn my passengers I don't hold conversations. Those who resist to buckle up are invited to take a bus. I have suggested to nearest and dearest about the value of such knowledge but seem to know better than me.
I have my own rule....if I know that I don't want to overtake anyone I keep a distance long enough that if somebody wants to overtake me he has plenty of space... I think everyone should do this but most of the ppl don't even keep a safety distance
This is such a huge problem in Norway, there are plenty of slow drivers, and Norwegians are typically content sitting behind a slow poke at 10 below the already extremely conservative speed limit. But don't think they keep decent distance. You would think both the driver in front creating the que and the people sitting behind him are completely oblivious. The reality is that Norwegian drivers are extremely egoistic on the road and don't even get the idea to cooperate on the road. You see that on the few motorways we have to with left lane hoggers. Hop over to Sweden and it is completely different. /rant
I call that the 'dickhead gap' ,always leave that gap to save adjusting when a dickhead turns up
Terrific video! This should be shown to ALL drivers every 5 years, no matter how skilled/experienced they are!
Very good demonstration of how to drive if, for example, you're late for a meeting - in a systematic way within the laws of the road. Rewinding slightly, could you advise on how to assess - during the course of say a 5-10 mile journey - whether or not to enter into this inevitably risky action - i.e. "Do I need to overtake?" to achieve the objective of arriving safely and on time, as opposed to potentially arriving 'dead on time' (as almost demonstrated by the motorcyclist in your clip)?
Accepted that you were doing demo drives but It struck me with your commentary through some very attractive countryside and villages that the necessary thought processes for safe overtaking are intense and will preclude any relaxation, enjoyment of the journey, safe conversation, listening to the radio, etc, and will also require co-operation from all around you, especially as you say that your overtaking method has created problems for you and presumably for others for them to react so badly. Therefore, surely there is a need to add a more basic (or advanced?) video entitled "How to leave home 1 minute earlier"?! ;-)
This is something that I feel 'Frozen' has naturally picked up on below and combined with your practical tips - applied sparingly - could be very helpful in reducing the several thousand road deaths on our roads each year whilst refining the art and science of overtaking. Thank you.
Actually, concentrating 100% is critical to safe driving. So I don’t listen to the radio, keep conversation at a superficial level. One useful acronym is “SLAP” - is overtaking Safe, Legal, Advantageous and what would the Perception be? For a short routine journey there may be no real advantage - ditto if you’re just moving one car up a long queue.
Hi Reg Local,i was pulled over for the exact overtake you made at 20:47 great refresher video for me though.Will keep honing the system approach. PS still using aT5
urbex2007 spirited driving that's why reg local performed that overtake perfectly you're probably one of the people when you get overtaken you don't like it. Although allot of bmw drivers can't drive for shit
Hi, Were you pulled over for overtaking at a junction?
What did the cop say, and were you fined and/or given points on your licence as a result?
shouldn't you indicate to overtake to alert drivers behind so they don't go for an overtake at the same time as you?
I was surprised by this also, even for the overtak'ee I would think that an indicator would signal your intentions clearly. I'm finding the videos very useful and informative though , after finding them through PH
he is a bmw driver...
He’s Reg Normal, he doesn’t need to indicate and ‘99% of the overtake is mental’. Nonsense.
How is overtaking mental? It is perfectly normal and perfectly legal. Overtaking is very useful when following slower traffic. As long as it’s safe, there is nothing wrong with it.
Good video. Rolling overtakes it helps a lot. I do find other drivers particularly in the UK tend to like to make these simple manoeuvres difficult by acting up. Like you say speeding up and closing your landing spot. However my problem is more with situations like a bus pulling over to pick up a passenger in front of you or even a cyclist. Then having to wait for the gap to go past without being too hesitant. Any advice?
Thanks for posting the video. I'm happy to overtake on track but roads? Still. So. Many. Mistakes. So many mistakes that I'd just rather not do it at all. Hoping to do some AD training soon so I can do this properly one day.
There is a chapter in my book "Advanced & Performance Driving" covering overtaking on the road in full detail. More info on my website: www.reglocal.com
It's been a year but I'm finally getting to grips with it th-cam.com/video/MR6YP-DbU6A/w-d-xo.html Thanks for your helpful videos
When you think you can drive and Reg turns up
Top video Reg 😊
Excellent video, thanks for posting. :) Quick question overtaking before a speed limit change to a lower limit though, if I may.
Would you avoid carrying out an overtake before a limit change to prevent yourself ending up in the situation where you may enter a 30 limit at a much higher speed, or do you carry it out anyway and then accept either you may have to brake more heavily to reduce speed in time? Or simply just accept that you'll be above the speed limit and reduce as quickly but smoothly as possible once you've landed, and hope for no camera vans?
I personally tend to not carry out the overtake regardless, but this does mean that I miss an overtake when there was one available which limits progress. Just wondering if that's correct or not?
Hi Dan,
I'm not one to preach too much about speed limits. The speed you travel at is your choice and your choice alone. As long as you've assessed the risks properly and you're not putting anyone else in danger, then you should assess each overtake and each speed limit on its own merits.
My personal view is that I'd take an overtake within a national speed limit area even if I could see I was approaching a lower speed limit, but my plan would be to get down close to the lower speed limit as soon as possible after the overtake, without causing the overtaken vehicle to brake excessively. So if I can get past & put a little distance between my vehicle and the overtaken one before braking down to the lower limit, the overtake should be ok.
If there's ever any doubt, however, you should wait for the next opportunity.
Thanks Reg, much appreciated. Seems common sense when you write it down like that, it's something I'll try and work on with my driving in the future.
Great videos, keep them coming!
Good effort. I like your accent, that is proper Lancashire :)
@reg local, hi I just wanted to see if my understanding is correct. If the road displays hatching in the middle, if it is surrounded by a broken white line and safe to do so, is it legal to cross them to overtake provided it’s boarded by a broken white line and of course there is no keep left bollard?
One problem I have if you could comment please: I do have a fast car and it's possible to get by very quickly. If for example you have a car in front doing, say, 50 and a clear stretch or perhaps a mile ahead someone is coming the other way then I would go for it. Problem is by the time I get in front I am doing perhaps 70 or 80 which is clearly illegal. Then I either just foot off or even brake. Yet to stick at 60 during the overtake would use up too much road. What should I do?
robotics1x probably ‘slow down’ and stick to the limit...if you have a ‘fast car’ and let’s face it, that’s a very subjective statement then take it on a track day
I have found that I just don't overtake anything except vans and trucks and very old people, with anyone else the risk is too high for them to get angry and ruin the rest of my journey. My car is also too slow to deal with someone starting to accelerate while I overtake them. I think it is because they don't want to be overtaken by a "learner" car. (I have the N plates up on my car as I haven't had my full license for two years yet.)
It doesn't bother me as I'm never in a hurry, and most of the time when there is someone doing just under the speed limit, they're the type of person who will keep that 80-90km/h speed even through towns/villages, so I tend to just stick behind them as I would be holding them up by dropping down to 50km/h.
I find the people who get angry over being overtaken, will only do so for cars they feel are inferior to theirs. For example I've only ever had people accelerate while I overtook them in my car. When driving either of my parents cars, nobody has ever tried to not be passed.
for me the progress is not worth the increased risk of having someone's ego endangering you as they try to overtake you again 200 metres down the road at all costs.
I've watched all of your videos now and they've been very helpful. You are the car equivalent of 'roadcraft nottingham'.
+frozen I don't know if the new driver plates are a legal requirement where you live, but I decided not to bother with them after passing my test as, like with learner plates, they seem to encourage people to try and bully the driver displaying them rather than give extra time and space. They take on a, "Must get past at all costs," attitude.
Another great video Reg. My question is about the overtaking position. You usually keep to a two-second gap immediately prior to overtaking, which is, conditions being suitable etc., the same as the following distance.
Roadcraft states, "The overtaking position is generally closer than the following position and minimises the distance you have to travel to overtake."
IAM RoadSmart in their new material for associates say, "When safe and appropriate, they ('they' being 'advanced drivers') should move into an 'overtaking' position, no closer than one second behind the car to be overtaken."
Both of these seem to be advocating getting a bit closer in the overtaking position than you recommend, subject, of course, to all the usual caveats about safety and visibility. I think I understand the argument for both sides, but I'd like, please, to hear your thoughts.
Kevin Smith Thanks for your question Kevin. You're correct - I don't mention or demonstrate the "overtaking" or "contact" position in this video for one very simple reason. I don't agree with it.
I don't believe that there is any substantial advantage in closing up into a tight following position before overtaking & the disadvantages are that you momentarily lose your view and such a move can intimidate the overtaken driver and sometimes instigate a negative response.
I believe it's better practice to stay back in a 2 (or more) second following position, from where you can move out to confirm a view before committing to the overtake. If, on moving sideways, the overtake isn't on, you can return to the nearside without ever encroaching within (or losing the benefits of) your following position.
Thanks for the very prompt response. I accept what you say, although I think that starting from a two-second following gap, and not returning until I can see the overtaken vehicle in the centre of my rear view mirror, is going to preclude me from some overtakes that I might otherwise have been able to take. I'll have to try it out and see how it goes.
By the way, just in case you think I'm completely mad, my quoting the bits from Roadcraft etc obviously isn't for your benefit, but for others who may be reading it and who don't the benefit of those texts to hand.
Kevin Smith No worries Kevin. When you try my technique, you may find that you miss far less overtakes than you might imagine. Let me know how you get on.
Rolling into a contact position is far more effective ... minimises time offside and offsets the need for a greater performance parameter.. running visuals upto and including the contact position should more than suffice for the execution of an overtake..
Informative as always. I've never actually encountered many negative reactions to overtaking. Mind you don't end up in bother with that number plate though ;)
How do you feel about fully offsiding and remaining out on the offside of the car you're looking to overtake?
Reg, Hi you mentioned its better to just use the brake when you come off the slip road from motorway and not be changing down gears. I just want to ask, is it not better to change down through the gears using engine braking along with the brakes?
Thanks in advance Reg
10mins 16sec, you pull out without indicating and don't indicate when you return back into your lane. Same again at 19mins 46sec same again, no indicator. At 20mins 44 accelerating with a slow sign showing on the road and then passing a driveway to house which is a potential hazard
Oh, it's much worse than that Kal - I didn't indicate for any of the overtakes in this video.
Some time later this year I'll upload a video where I examine signalling in detail and I'll explain why, for most overtakes like the ones in this video, signalling is not necessary (and the times when it absolutely is necessary).
+Reg Local - It's safer to indicate whenever you're manoeuvring even if you think no one is around. It's possible that you could have missed someone or something. If you make indicating habitual it's no extra effort
+Kal E In advanced driving if you indicate out of habit instead of having a good reason for it, it's looked down on, as the the examiner would wonder if you are truly are aware of what's happening around you.
+Kal E That's a commonly held opinion Kal, and although there is nothing wrong with habitual automatic signalling, there are other opinions on the subject. As I previously mentioned, I'll post a video on signalling some time later in the year in which I'll fully explain my opinions on the subject.
Looking forward to that, it's about the only point where I disagree with you as the most common thing I see is neither indicating nor being aware of the surroundings. Of course, indicating is an art by itself and often abused... oh well.
Just a quick question. You mentioned not using too low a gear so that you don't have to change gear during the overtake. Wouldn't using a higher gear slow down acceleration at the start of the overtake? Wouldn't it be better to be in the power band at the start of the start of the overtake and shift if you need to?
You're looking for the most flexible gear Alex - one which will give you plenty of acceleration without running out of revs. Of course, if a gear change is necessary during the overtake, you should change gear, but try to take the most appropriate, flexible gear before you move into the overtake.
Thanks for the reply. That helps, cheers.
Hi Reg.
Maybe you could do a similar video on motorcycle overtakes / planning please ?
Just thought i would share the following waffle ... ;-)
Among IAM and ROSPA "advanced" road users for example, we use the Acronym S.L.A.P when planning to execute overtakes !
Is it Safe ? (The main question with tons of complexities to consider)
Is it Legal ? (Road signs and markings, speed limits etc)
Is there anything to Achieve ? (B.U.A, road works or traffic queue ahead )
Will it Pi$$ anyone off ? (Perception) (Bikers get less grief...drivers more so !)
Food for thought folks !!
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Intro is a bit long, but you can always skip it...
Noticed that you had sat-nav. I use the sat-nav as an additional tool to "see" around the corner and "see" junctions like the one you missed at 20:42. Good idea or not?
BMW Maintenance Videos To be clear, I didn't miss the junction, or the vehicle approaching it (I'd have no excuse for missing it, having lived in the area all my life!) - I just didn't have time to make much reference to it whilst talking about everything else. My assessment was that the front-most vehicle was close enough to the junction to prevent the car in the junction from emerging, so the overtake was on.
As for sat-nav, I do agree that they are another source of information which can be useful, not only for showing upcoming junctions, but also corner directiond, built-up areas and many other hazards. They shouldn't be wholly relied on, of course, but they can add more clues to help with the planning process.
Excellent videos. I have a question about overtaking in a single carriageway road. Given that the priority is safety, then surely minimising TED (Time Exposed to Danger) means it is better to exceed the speed limit briefly to get past quickly, rather than sticking rigidly to the speed limit and thus prolonging the time spent on the other lane. Is my approach correct or, on an IAM Masters exam drive, would I be penalised for exceeding the speed limit?
It could be safer, but also unlawful.
@@Frohicky1 quite correct. I subsequently completed the Masters test and managed to stay within the stipulated limits to the satisfaction of the examiner. It did call for restraint!
The thing I always think is it really necessary.
At 10.30 he overtakes and immediately comes into a 30 zone. This is so typical, happens all the time. When someone overtakes, and you meet them at a red light 5 minutes down the road, there's ultimately no advantage in overtaking at all. I can understand if there is an obstruction, but you're right gordon.
Yes unless they're only going just below the limit. People who don't overtake tractors when it's safe make it more difficult for everyone else
@@BK-ox8ee Keep in mind that there are not always many opportunities for overtaking in England and Wales, with many more up in Scotland. As this is a demonstration video an overtake there might not have been an ideal choice for *when* but this video is primarily for *how* to do it safely. I imagine it takes quite some time to film for a video like this and that opportunity may have saved driving around for another hour waiting for another demonstration opportunity.
Under normal circumstances I doubt any qualified advanced driver would deliberately overtake coming into a 30mph zone.
@@BK-ox8eeWould you know there's a 30 ahead?
do you have any for overtaking at night, this is my one weakness and I was never taught it.
Thank you,
If you can see either two distinct headlights or a single flickering headlight in the distance, don''t overtake.
For a steady headlight, only overtake if you can't observe its rate of approach.
Another great video m8 👍🏻
what is process for a double or tripple overtake, regarding positioning, gear etc when it is not certain the 2nd or 3rd overtake are on when you have passed the first car? Like with the campervan in the video where you appeared to maintain the lane but ultimately decided to return to the left and sit behind the van?
Hi, if you're intending to overtake multple vehicles, you shoukd mentally treat each vehicle as a single overtake, tather than treating the line of vehicles as a single overtake. Weigh up the first overtake, move sideways to look and then if the first one is on, start to accelerate. Keep looking to the horizon, weighing up whether anything is going to come into view and be ready to pull back into a gap between vehicles if necessary. Don't accelerate up to an excessively high speed - keeping your speed to a reasonable level means it'll be easier to pull into a gap between vehicles if you need to return to the nearside.
Just adding to Reg's comments. Overtaking is really for experienced drivers who know the handling capability of their cars. Also, what is the purpose of the overtake. Some drivers risk their life to overtake one car - when there are another 10 in front. There is no point to the overtake. Overtaking multiple cars - doesn't mean flooring it, because if the vehicles ahead are travelling too close - they could decide to overtake - when you are overtaking. Therefore, if you want to overtake multiple cars - you must assess this fact - and factor in where you will be able to place your car if another driver pulls out during your overtake. Plus, if you floor it, you must never be scared of slamming on the brakes and dropping back. There's always another chance. But overtaking on a single track road breaking the speed limit to 70MPH means if the vehicle travelling in the opposite direction is doing the same speed, it is IMPOSSIBLE to judge a closing speed of 140MPH. Safety must ALWAYS come 1st
after overtaking why would there be a need for a "return to lane 1 signal".....the driver who has been overtaken holds a driving licence (we hope) so knows that you will need to return
to the normal driving lane...lane 1 (this assumes there is no other traffic to whom a signal would be of use)
Great series of videos ..also nice car. I have the same 👍
From the previous "commenter" Alex Harod: Whats the problem with indicating an overtake?
Lots of SLOW road markings, but the speedometer did not decrease,
Where in the highway code does it say you must lower your speed if you see a slow road marking?
Probably nowhere, but now and then common sense trumps the Highway Code or other rules of the road. Slow down means exactly that with good reason, or did someone from the council have a spare tin of white paint to use up?@@thefrenchareharlequins2743
Rolling into a contact position is far more effective ... minimises time offside and offsets the need for a greater performance parameter.. running visuals upto and including the contact position should more than suffice for the execution of an overtake..
daz b I do not like, and have never advocated the use of the "contact" or "overtaking" position, despite it being a Roadcraft approved technique. Moving close to the target vehicle reduces your view and can elicit an aggressive reaction from the vehicle in front. I believe the percieved benefits of the overtaking position are outweighed by the increased risks and if I occasionally miss an overtake because of this opinion, I'm perfectly fine with it. It's an opinion I share with a number of (but certainly not all) police driving schools, and a debate which will undoubtedly continue.
I see your point entirely, however most motorists expect to see a reasonable closing gap situation occur behind them prior to an overtake.. oftentimes a high performance, pyramid fashion overtake from further back can be a surprise for the motorist you're passing, unless you sound and flash, which these days, unfortunately, can be taken as an act of aggression.. In my opinion, simply maintaining road speed in contact and moving offside offers a superior sight line prior to establishing whether the overtake is on or not.. A vehicle of standard performance will benefit more and generally execute a safer overtake by using the contact method as I see it.. But that is just my humble opinion ..Good, clear instructional videos by the way...
It's true, you should never need to use full throttle when overtaking. If you have to floor it to get past in time, you shouldn't've been overtaking in the first place.
At 25 minutes you are clearly shown travelling at an indicated 80mph. Speed limits don’t apply to you?
‘99% of overtaking is mental.’ Ok, yeah, of course it is. Is this the ‘chi’ of driving? And no need to indicate because he’s an advanced driver. No need to let anyone know what he intends on doing...but that’s because he’s an advanced driver. In practical driving most road users are doing 85-95% of the speed limit so in a 60 limit they are doing somewhere between 51-57mph. How then do you overtake without breaking the speed limit? Do you go past at say 5mph? Ergo, regular overtaking equates to regular speeding. It’s not rocket science. In his series of overtaking videos in Scotland he regularly exceeds the speed limit. But that’s ok. He is an advanced driver and the law doesn’t seem to apply to him.
4:08 spotted mx5 :D
examples after 24:30
yeah Abbey Village
Good video; however, I have to disagree with the not accelerating before moving over as if you are correctly positioned prior to moving out you should know it is safe to give it a boot full and overtake.
Being in the oncoming lane for too long is dangerous in itself as well as not indicating your intentions.
If you accelerate within your following position whilst moving out, but then find that the overtake is not on and you need to abandon, you'll end up coming back in to the nearside much too close to the vehicle in front. If they compound the problem by braking, you're in real danger of shunting them in the rear. Much better to move out & confirm the view before accelerating.
Reg Local You can still brake while you're in the oncoming lane and then move back in if you do it my way. Also if the 'target vehicle' brakes you're in a bad situation regardless but I would say it has been safe on 99% of the overtakes I have done as I keep a safe following distance and power through.
What about the 1%?
Adavnced tution?? You broke the national speed limit on an overtake demo, ex police instructor you say, I remember my courses being "Go for it" in national limits but you sir, are not a constable anymore and not running an accredited driver training course so don't show excess speed when making overtakes, it's against the law and the cause of many accidents. You clearly know how to use speed including above the limits, many watching these vids don't!!
Thank you for your contribution, Cyber Police Officer.
Think you've missed the point mate, this isn't a Police driving course. The gentleman is demonstrating the system and yes it's exactly the same as the one used by emergency services driver training. As I'm sure you are aware, Police officers have an exemption in law to exceed the speed limit, it doesn't matter what the posted limit is and if it's justified you can go way over the +20 mph they teach on courses when in restricted zones, it's for the individual to justify. My original point was it just doesn't look good exceeding the limit whilst demonstrating advanced driving techniques, but I've already my say on that.
I have to confess, I took a long look at the video and can't see where he exceeded the national speed limit for the road he was on when driving. Tbh, the speedo isn't that clear. So I'd be interested in the minute-count of the video to see what you're talking about. The National limits are 30, 60, 70 and 70 for a car on urban roads/with streetlights, A and B roads, dual carriageways, and finally motorways, respectively, unless speed signs state otherwise. so please give a minute/second reference with regard to your assertion that the driver broke the speed limit of the road in question, in the above video.
Finally, I have to say, your tone comes over as extremely patronising; when you've accomplished what Mr. Local has, taught as much as he has and have had the extensive knowledge and experience he has, maybe you'll be in a better position to broadcast a holier-than-thou opinion.
Some of these overtakes are questionable to say the least! Certainly advocating an overtake in the approach to junctions and with a car sitting at the junction is at best an accident waiting to happen. Good use of speed and awareness otherwise however. Indicators are not necessary in these clips, there are no other vehicles in the vicinity that would benefit with an indication. My bug bear is when drivers automatically indicate left following the overtake, why? What purpose dies this serve? The vehicle being overtaken knows you will be pulling back in. Comments are my own and I know are individual.
I genuinely think your driving is dangerous. You need to slow down, and obey the speed limit.
At which point did he come anywhere near crashing?
use of indicators is shocking
Also you should never ever drive your vehicle on the opposite carriage way as you show in other video think you need to go back to driving school 😡 😡😡
What purpose would indicating serve, telling the car ahead what you are already doing, for a couple of moments until it disappears off the far right of your right exterior mirror?