@@theol-e8844 Difficult it would be to deal with him if he succeeded with three heat activations... Can't wait for my Armor King to have 6 unbreakable throws and token to autowin the game.
Honestly I thought that Heihachi was another stance character with an install, but to be honest, at least from what I saw in this set, there is not that much of spam of different stances and they play as a Mishima Character, and that's pretty cool
Im trying to understand the design philosophy behind warrior instinct. Obviously from a balance standpoint, the goal is to have characters all adhere to a universal power budget. With that in mind, where is the budget being spent on heihachi's kit? Like is he inherently tuned to be slightly weaker outside of warrior instinct? If not, then where is the justification for his install mode coming from? A character becoming potentially the "strongest on the roster" for a round simply for using 3 heat engagers seems generous if that power gain is not compensated elsewhere.
Makes him a bit more predictible with his heat utilisation though. I guess what happened is that they realized he was a bit too weak, but didn't want to change anything, so they said "Fuck it, we ball" and balled all around the place.
@@TheFightingGentleman what empovering tool does everyone has that grants them more stats beyond (and including) the third round? Just, because. Here is a theoretic: we're near equal with that one guy, but i always win by a little, but starting after two rounds he just wins every round. Just beacuse this stat boost pushes him over the line. So you have a character that just becomes tougher when the match point is in question. So you will always have easier time at first two, and tougher at 3 and beyond, just because.
There is just something so off-putting about seeing Heihachi utilize 50/50 stance mix-ups. I don't like how they're homogenizing everyone's styles in Tekken 8.
Tekken 7 characters were homogenized too, but not until near the end of the game's life. I'm really hoping that season two sees more traditional character archetypes. Bamco has gotta be hearing people's complaints.
Yeah, I think it was there to replace F3/F2,3 into FF2, and then they decided to make it more accesible, the fact that you can acces the stance from F4, WS4,4 and from 1,2,2 is sooo unnecessary.
People hate stances but I like that there is a LITTLE consistency now. The constant laughing runs Hei users did back in T7 and other nonsense is at least toned down this way. Now it is possible to react to stuff out of habit rather than getting hit with dumb nonsense character specific. It kinda balances the game despite being less ‘creative’ outwardly.
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 IKR! It's hilarious because TMM even mentioned one of the most problematic characters in another video. Eddie. All his moves look the same in 8 so it's hard to tell what is what unless you play vs him a lot.
Legit question, what's the difference between just having stances and having stances "as a gimmick"? Like if Law was released today would you say he was just a gimmick character with his DSS? Or what about someone like yoshi?
@@Cherokeechuck9not many characters had stances thats what made those characters stand out, if all of them get stances its gonna get old real quick, reina already was a stance mishima, heihachi never was and never needed it, especialy with reina in the game, but heihachi even have installs now wich makes him even more bland cause he is exactly like previous dlcs
I like this hei because he actually feel like hes more powerfull, hits like a monster moves like hes the most experienced mishima i feel like he finally fights like hes supposed to age wise at least if u get what im trying to say
Although I don't agree with bringing Heihachi back in the game's canon, I am absolutely overjoyed that he's a playable character again. Few Tekken characters have the presence and charisma of the Iron Grandpa.
6:45 "Ultimate Heihachi only deals in absolutes." That's definitely a cinematic line. Like when an anime character is giving exposition during a fight.
I woke up thinking that early access on the 30th meant early access first thing in the morning. Nope. It's after tonight's maintenance which makes it Oct 1 for Japan, and late night almost not the 30th for everyone else unless you're on the West Coast. derp. Had a blast running around as Lars in my Heihachi costume though
Hei does some gray health with Warrior Instinct btw. 9:21 You can see FF2 giving grey health but then the wall combo deletes it(And only last of wall combo hit gives grey health), I think only certain moves like EWGF, 1+2 gives no recoverable health, you can also see one hellsweep giving grey EVEN on hit(12:29), so not every damage is permanent.
It's cool to see pro players playing a semi professional set just for show. Would be cool to see more stuff like this for future dlc character showcases
Hei's moves on whiff are bad asf, just look at that B4 😂 Idk if he will be S tier, as they said his weakness is sidestepping and he is indeed very steppable.
@@rahadt904 It's just scrubs talking like they know Small Tekken. Hei is nothing but an overglorified resource character now. How much you wanna bet he's now more OP that Tekken 7 Leroy on first drop?
@@DBTHEPLUG bruh I'm just talking about chicks being hot. Is that really such a bad thing when there's mfs celebrating bear sex n other deplorable shit in games? I just want the normal stuff 😭
@@jonnysimpson093 I got a Tekken God Supreme Kaz and I’ve been coming across characters who can Air spin me, token combo me, unblockable attack me. When using Kazuya you have to know fundamentals and matchups to have an advantage..
@@cryptonesto2095 Ok? That doesn’t mean he needs to buffed into another character that can mindlessly mash their way to whatever rank they want. Kazuya has amazing counter hit launchers and can easily get 80 damage off a combo that requires very little execution. With tekken 8 and all the buffs especially he has good enough poking and his 50/50 is ridiculously strong. Yes it’s very risky but the reward you get is far above the risk in most cases. Just saying that a character is hard so they need buffs so I can win more is ridiculous. How about we get some Lee buffs? The most execution heavy combos in the game for 65 damage unless you land a big launcher or hit a wall. Horrendous range on almost every attack and heat does almost nothing for the character his heat smash is also garbage. Kaz got an entire page of buffs the 1.05 patch he doesn’t need anymore
@@jonnysimpson093 Just got a hold of early access Heihachi and he’s pretty well built on the new system while Kazuya still based on an older system. I’ll be getting my Heihachi to Tekken God Supreme in no time with his moveset.
Idk what is is, but the Action Overall in 8 is not very smooth or crisp, somewhat low Level blurred? In fg normally Both Fighters distiguish themselves more from the background and stuff with more contrast, and in 8 they do not, its one gigantic Soup of Pixels and sometimes even hard to follow, with the added layers of the many different hit effects even more. The Sound of the Hits are dimmed down to the contrast, Blocked moves even more, its sucks tbh and its weird 🙈
the bad audio unintentionally making every hit sound like a gunshot is so funny
0:44 it's like an explosion happened lmao
Yeah I noticed that. I honestly just thought heihachi hit harder
This is the case with T8 even with good audio...the hits sound like gunfire. I like it 😊
Two old men fighting for the last dementia pill
Alternate universe Trump vs. Biden.
Lol😂
@@JunKazamaFan man do not disrespect Trump like that. He is as fit like an 40yo man
LMFAOOO
More like, fighting over who gets to be visited by the young nurse first lol.
they look like two inmates in prison being given the opportunity for freedom by winning a set
I had this exact same thought yesterday lmao. Great minds think alike
Heihachi kinda received Jin treatment with his rework in T8. More accessible, more flashy stuff, boss character.
But he keeps more of his difficulty and style, I would say
@@theol-e8844nah omen is easy and so much stuff simplified along with easy mode db2 and new ws launcher
@@theol-e8844 Difficult it would be to deal with him if he succeeded with three heat activations...
Can't wait for my Armor King to have 6 unbreakable throws and token to autowin the game.
@@theol-e8844 cap
His omen got nerfed so I don't think so Heihachi is going to be easy character like Jin.
When I think mishima I don’t think stance pressure.
ok. and?
Don't you access God fist from the dashing stance
@@DavidParker-s5sLOL I think OP is referring to attacks that go into stance.
@@DavidParker-s5s
Finally someone gets it
It's the Battle of the Iron Grandpa's
So they just removed his bf,2 moves completely, didn't they?
yea. I love his bf2 1
I didn't see any of them anywhere at all in the gameplays I've seen
"Too much execution!" - Tekken 8.
Yeah, it's officially gone. bf2,2, bf2,3, and bf2,1 are all gone. Not in the move list anymore.
@@HoDoBoDo Pity. Those moves were a big part of Heihachi's identity for me.
Honestly I thought that Heihachi was another stance character with an install, but to be honest, at least from what I saw in this set, there is not that much of spam of different stances and they play as a Mishima Character, and that's pretty cool
They also don't have a full grasp on the new version of this character yet.
Tekken community really just ran with the whole "stance rushdown" narrative off a trailer showing off new shit
@@rx.78 ofc they did they hate themselves and have a toxic relationship with this game. they assumed just like they did with lidia and eddy
I was worried after the trailer. This is a much better representation of the character.
@@rx.78 Tekken community? More like average American IQ individuals who happen to play Tekken.
Im trying to understand the design philosophy behind warrior instinct. Obviously from a balance standpoint, the goal is to have characters all adhere to a universal power budget. With that in mind, where is the budget being spent on heihachi's kit? Like is he inherently tuned to be slightly weaker outside of warrior instinct? If not, then where is the justification for his install mode coming from? A character becoming potentially the "strongest on the roster" for a round simply for using 3 heat engagers seems generous if that power gain is not compensated elsewhere.
Makes him a bit more predictible with his heat utilisation though. I guess what happened is that they realized he was a bit too weak, but didn't want to change anything, so they said "Fuck it, we ball" and balled all around the place.
Why does there need to be "justification" for his character gimmick? The same argument could made for literally everyone else in the cast
What if all characters will receive that? Noone talked about that
Touch grass
@@TheFightingGentleman what empovering tool does everyone has that grants them more stats beyond (and including) the third round? Just, because.
Here is a theoretic: we're near equal with that one guy, but i always win by a little, but starting after two rounds he just wins every round. Just beacuse this stat boost pushes him over the line. So you have a character that just becomes tougher when the match point is in question. So you will always have easier time at first two, and tougher at 3 and beyond, just because.
There is just something so off-putting about seeing Heihachi utilize 50/50 stance mix-ups. I don't like how they're homogenizing everyone's styles in Tekken 8.
Tekken 7 characters were homogenized too, but not until near the end of the game's life. I'm really hoping that season two sees more traditional character archetypes. Bamco has gotta be hearing people's complaints.
Yeah, I think it was there to replace F3/F2,3 into FF2, and then they decided to make it more accesible, the fact that you can acces the stance from F4, WS4,4 and from 1,2,2 is sooo unnecessary.
He Had a waved dash 50/50s I don’t see the issue. Most of the time the stances are used for combo not 50/50 mix ups
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267exactly…. If anything, it’s the complaints that are “forced” not the 50-50s.
12:35 the damage there made TMM pog 😆
People hate stances but I like that there is a LITTLE consistency now. The constant laughing runs Hei users did back in T7 and other nonsense is at least toned down this way.
Now it is possible to react to stuff out of habit rather than getting hit with dumb nonsense character specific. It kinda balances the game despite being less ‘creative’ outwardly.
@@usmansubhani7482
This is the most open minded intelligent take I’ve seen in a while
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 IKR! It's hilarious because TMM even mentioned one of the most problematic characters in another video. Eddie.
All his moves look the same in 8 so it's hard to tell what is what unless you play vs him a lot.
TMM when male characters have OP moves:"Oh, that's cool"
TMM when female characters have OP moves:"F'ing coomers"
At 12:18 Heihachi extended his white Health bar
Yeah he gets 20 recoverable HP when he triggers warrior instinct.
how they sitting there so calm.
it wouldve been cool if ultra heihachi was heihachi from tekken tag 1 that character was fun back then
New op character arrived
mad cuz bad
1:04 Dude was so relief to see that there’s no tracking 😂😂😂
I don’t like that every dlc character has been the same as in they all just have stances as their gimmick
Legit question, what's the difference between just having stances and having stances "as a gimmick"? Like if Law was released today would you say he was just a gimmick character with his DSS? Or what about someone like yoshi?
tbh Eddy kinda needed it. But u could argue about Lidia. I think they made Hei look overpowered on purpose tho.
@@Cherokeechuck9 whatever they feel like. every character in the game has a stance and they still complain about it
@@Cherokeechuck9not many characters had stances thats what made those characters stand out, if all of them get stances its gonna get old real quick, reina already was a stance mishima, heihachi never was and never needed it, especialy with reina in the game, but heihachi even have installs now wich makes him even more bland cause he is exactly like previous dlcs
What previous dlc had a install?@@tiger-rgn
I like this hei because he actually feel like hes more powerfull, hits like a monster moves like hes the most experienced mishima i feel like he finally fights like hes supposed to age wise at least if u get what im trying to say
they are playing like I do on a sunday afternoon with hangover...dropping everything lol
Although I don't agree with bringing Heihachi back in the game's canon, I am absolutely overjoyed that he's a playable character again. Few Tekken characters have the presence and charisma of the Iron Grandpa.
Im just disappointed you can't haha step with heihachi 😢
You can, but only in Heat, for some reason.
6:45
"Ultimate Heihachi only deals in absolutes."
That's definitely a cinematic line. Like when an anime character is giving exposition during a fight.
It's from Star Wars
It's the whole "only a Sith deals in absolutes" which is also an absolute statement by itself.
I wonder if every set of DLC characters are going to have a certain theme and this year’s theme is stances.
Hmmm if thats the case Lei better be final.👺
@@HushTheHoopla Stances, Install Mechanics, and domain expansion Rage Arts. Eddy, Lidia, and Heihachi have all three.
Marduk with Lidia stance and wavedash pressure.
@@JunKazamaFan Domain expansions? 😂
@@JunKazamaFan
But majority of characters on the roster have stances
I woke up thinking that early access on the 30th meant early access first thing in the morning. Nope. It's after tonight's maintenance which makes it Oct 1 for Japan, and late night almost not the 30th for everyone else unless you're on the West Coast. derp. Had a blast running around as Lars in my Heihachi costume though
This answered my question cause I thought so too
Just busted when I saw Heihachi
how much?
@@tristanherb49 Still goin’.
So happy that the best Mishima is back instead of a shit character like Josie 🙏
Facts!
I love Josie :(
you can love mishima but no need to throw shade... I like josie and I hope she comes back since shes my main...
it's enjoyable to watch a match between 2 pros doing J. Cole combos
Why j.cole lol ?
What does that even mean 😂
lmaooo i understood that reference
@@dripswagsplash6969 o7
@@dripswagsplash6969 o7
Heihachi vs Heihacho from Mexico
The Heihachi tranformation should have been called Ultimate Warrior: The King of The Iron Fist
Heihachi is a boss character but without the horrible nerfs the boss characters would get when they become playable characters... we're doomed.
I hate the new heihachi gameplay
No OTGF just bs after bs
Fk that piece of shit of a game.
Hei does some gray health with Warrior Instinct btw. 9:21 You can see FF2 giving grey health but then the wall combo deletes it(And only last of wall combo hit gives grey health), I think only certain moves like EWGF, 1+2 gives no recoverable health, you can also see one hellsweep giving grey EVEN on hit(12:29), so not every damage is permanent.
Nerf heihachi 🤣( don't attack me I'm just joking)
Happy Heihachi day everyone. I’m ready to fight him and him only for the next few weeks.
MMSwe mentions that Keisuke would be proud for such a bad combo. So his eyes bleed too when he saw Keisuke Kazuya's combos?
It's cool to see pro players playing a semi professional set just for show. Would be cool to see more stuff like this for future dlc character showcases
kazuyas devil form should work like ultimate heihachi
Hei's moves on whiff are bad asf, just look at that B4 😂 Idk if he will be S tier, as they said his weakness is sidestepping and he is indeed very steppable.
Catching up with these YT vids cz I've not been on twitch for about 2 days or so lol
4:48 🤣 worst combo I’ve ever seen. 🤣 just wait I’ll do worse
Loved the Electric gunshot sound effect, it felt like a meme and thats just too funny to watch
12:04 it was nice seeing comp players laugh and smile. Everyone is having fun
Heihachi is popping a Broly Boost for Tekken 8
The greatest Heihachi of all time vs the greatest Heihachi of today
Im happy they brought twin piston back
Man, they only be adding old characters as dlc??
2:45 there are two situations to rage art and they hit it so late 😭
Im just happy for Heihachi main.
HKjr is rubbing his hands together.
"waiting for someone to get stabbed"
Why they got security cams on them 💀
The deepfried audio is so funny
When did TMM started talking like this?
Very entertaining match between them !
Hei's new b4 seems like Fahk's 3+4
I main Kazuya so this is a win for me
so he does not have strong laws like lidia
Heihachi waiting room!
7:25 watch main man smile on the rage art
Looks like b but idfk
How the fuck is this mishima??? He's supposed to be fucking pokes, and minimal moves
Cope
Heihachi was never about that.
@@rahadt904 It's just scrubs talking like they know Small Tekken. Hei is nothing but an overglorified resource character now. How much you wanna bet he's now more OP that Tekken 7 Leroy on first drop?
I heard Tekken 7 servers are still live...
Awesome video man 😎
soon i can drop dvj
Lez guuuu, first 🥇
Heiiii, hachi!
first
ZE ROBOT!
There is just too much doa influence in this game
Dead or Alive hasn't released a game since DOA6😢
And not the kind we want either (we all know what I'm talking about)
@@bandawin18 The kind you want. I don't want corn characters in a fighting game.
@@DBTHEPLUG bruh I'm just talking about chicks being hot. Is that really such a bad thing when there's mfs celebrating bear sex n other deplorable shit in games? I just want the normal stuff 😭
can someone tell me if his electric input going to be like reinas and kayuza or jin's and devil jin cause reinas and kazuya are easier to perform
He does. He has a 13 frame Electric now
@@chakrashadow3220 ty
Guys sorry but i have a question.. how togetdevil jins white wings??
that’s a mod online you have to download only works if you have a pc
@@twisttempo oh that's a bummer.. thx anyways bro👍🏻
@@yousifhisham9031 i know i wish they would sell more outfits no problem!
BUFF Devil Jin
YES
This game so ass all mechanics no gameplay lol
Josie next dlc ^^...
Just Heat, Installs, and Rage. 50% not even real playing.
Add in chip damage and Power Crushes. It's just so much comeback clutter.
Kazuya need some buffs with a token system smh.
Kazuya still based on an old system with not many buffs..
You’re completely delusional if you think kaz needs more buffs
ngl him being stuck in the past and holding old grudges kinda fits that he's still based on an old system XD
@@jonnysimpson093 I got a Tekken God Supreme Kaz and I’ve been coming across characters who can
Air spin me, token combo me, unblockable attack me.
When using Kazuya you have to know fundamentals and matchups to have an advantage..
@@cryptonesto2095 Ok? That doesn’t mean he needs to buffed into another character that can mindlessly mash their way to whatever rank they want. Kazuya has amazing counter hit launchers and can easily get 80 damage off a combo that requires very little execution. With tekken 8 and all the buffs especially he has good enough poking and his 50/50 is ridiculously strong. Yes it’s very risky but the reward you get is far above the risk in most cases. Just saying that a character is hard so they need buffs so I can win more is ridiculous. How about we get some Lee buffs? The most execution heavy combos in the game for 65 damage unless you land a big launcher or hit a wall. Horrendous range on almost every attack and heat does almost nothing for the character his heat smash is also garbage. Kaz got an entire page of buffs the 1.05 patch he doesn’t need anymore
@@jonnysimpson093 Just got a hold of early access Heihachi and he’s pretty well built on the new system while Kazuya still based on an older system.
I’ll be getting my Heihachi to Tekken God Supreme in no time with his moveset.
19 seconds no views, the fall off is crazy 😔
Blud was here 19 seconds in...
Hilarious.
104 subscribers. Less than 250 views for the highest seen video? The fall off is crazy 🤡
You're gonna have to try harder than that to get themainman to notice you :/ @@21Handguns
U feel its a staged match to some extent given the mistakes on the fundemintals
Idk what is is, but the Action Overall in 8 is not very smooth or crisp, somewhat low Level blurred? In fg normally Both Fighters distiguish themselves more from the background and stuff with more contrast, and in 8 they do not, its one gigantic Soup of Pixels and sometimes even hard to follow, with the added layers of the many different hit effects even more. The Sound of the Hits are dimmed down to the contrast, Blocked moves even more, its sucks tbh and its weird 🙈
Lol the only constant thing they did was electrics and Flash combo lol
Idk if Heihachi is broken and i don't care, he is fun to watch and i hope we get to see more of him in future tournamets
Honestly, he looks linear like a bullet. He may just be balanced due to that
All you gonna see is heihachi now
@@ChristopherWaddelow yeah that happens when a new character release, welcome to every single game on history
@@v.m.6549 You replied to the wrong person.
@@DBTHEPLUG indeed, but im too lazy to delete and comment again the same thing
55 views in 1 minute. Its official TMM fell off. GGGL