so refreshing to listen to people who actually have intellectual debates after listening to tons of football podcasts with their agendas ruining everything
Micah Richards used Man City's name and used the clubs generosity to get a cushy job at sky and then he turns around and starts bashing City. A completely shameless human being
@@thegoldencache Man City was at best a mid table club when he joined. City's 'generosity' is usually called wages. City was irrelevant at the time the likes of Micah arrived. City used players and their names to get where they are now. A completely shameless club.
Micheal Oliver was so quick to send off Trossard but last season when Kovacic lunges in on Odegaard and Rice, he doesn’t send him off bc he doesn’t want to “overreact” and “ruin the game” according to Howard Webb. That’s my biggest issue
@@aaronstanley4202 the obly thing about this is that he didn’t even take a second to look at trossard playing the ball 2 secs after the whistle. Seems a bit jumpy like he said, which is why people are upset bc where’s the consistency.
@@aaronstanley4202a clearance 0,84 of a second after whistle blows, oh my, what horrible play, such cheating, so dirty. Yet harland can tiny tackle & headbutt players & escape the whole match without a yellow?
The whole narrative that Arsenal are the English Atleti is so overplayed. Arsenal were bopping the ball around that first half without their two top creative midfielders in Odegaard and Merino. They only really play like that when they have to, whether it be they’re down to 10 men, or like against Spurs, where it just makes the most sense.
Exactly, anyone who says that is either a troll or didn't watch ball. They scored more than anyone bar man city last year, one 0-0 dies not make you "prime Jose or Diego". They got slapped the year before as kids, they learn so don't do the same & people still complain, it's whinging babies. Arsenal still scored a few goals against lvpl, man u, Chelsea, Munich... slapped the small teams. Or if the 38 games how many times did they not score at all or just won 1-0, what, 10? & even ones where they didn't score like against villa, both times, they were the attacking team
Wenger was mocked for not adapting & always losing to the big teams when he didn't have the best players anymore to compete, everyone laughed, most arsenal fans upset in due because be didn't learn. Now they are aware & kids complaining. As lyle said, we'll which is it
The thing is though: on Sunday Arsenal won against City while they were 11 vs 11. Arsenal won 2:1 and didn’t play defensively. And City looked bad when they conceded both goals. City was the better team for the first 15 to 20 minutes but after that they were equal. And City had no answer to win against a 10 men Arsenal in their own stadium. THAT’S WHY Haaland and Bernardo Silva made those comments. Because now they know Arsenal is not the little pushover anymore. City can feel it, Arsenal can feel it and I can feel it too. Can’t wait for the clash at the Emirates!
@@Kurozumi9bro literally sta yt Ed what happened. Maybe learn the defn of words before throwing out buzz words to look cool to strangers online. Is he a bit stubbornness in his anger, if they're an undertone, maybe, but what he said is mostly facts, its shat happened in the game, trying to argue with facts is what is called delusion, not an opinion
Arteta may have retired as Arsenal's captain, but his time at City under Pep was crucial for his development as a coach. Learning from one of the best in the world is invaluable. His tactics and philosophy have clearly been influenced by his experience there
@@mezertt Sure, Wenger was an important influence on Arteta, but let's be real-his time under Pep took him to another level tactically. Learning from one of the greatest modern managers, in a system that’s all about precision and innovation, had a massive impact on his coaching style. Arteta’s tactical sharpness clearly reflects what he absorbed from Pep at City.
@@BManip I wouldn’t say all the way though. In terms of defence pep has his way and my manager clearly has his one after watching the game you can clearly tell that arteta is more defensive oriented. Our big hitters is our defence and mid because we have size, control, height and speed (Timber, Cali, Saliba, White, Rice, Partey) and our wingers ALWAYS track back on defence. With pep his big hitters are more on the attacking oriented side so it’s different. Same philosophy in terms of style (control the ball, play on the wings) which let’s not act surprised about considering they’re both Spanish are we really surprised? Yeah Pep helped but Artetas been doing his own thing and has his own way trust me. I know. It’s my team 😂
I think City don’t like losing control over games and especially not against teams that are comparable to them. Let me explain: City are a fantastic possession based team. They’ve got some vulnerabilities but you need a very good team to be able to exploit it. Arsenal seem to know how, which is rare. They’re used to teams not fighting for possession with them. What they’re not used to is have a team that also has the CAPACITY to dominate games like they do, but that also can dig in and make the game scrappy, high paced and physical. So it’s obviously frustrating when their usual tactics don’t work nearly as well and they then get forced out of their comfort zone. I think there’s some element inside the City camp that says: “Nobody should be able do that to us, but Arsenal did and it hurts.” That’s where the anger comes in. They are getting challenged by a team that doesn’t just open up and play rock and roll football. They play against a high quality team that is pragmatic, calculated and I think to some degree, has City all figured out. I could be wrong but I think this is why they are frustrated. Personally, I like the rivalry to be this way. They can hate us for all I care. The more those City players are in their feelings about us, the easier it’ll be to exploit them. Liverpools “rivalry” with City was too respectful. It felt fake. But I feel when Arsenal and City line up, these teams really don’t like each other for any reason.
Underrated comment- completely agree. I was slightly annoyed because I felt City respected Liverpool and they didn't respect us but I could also see why so I was very happy that we let them have it in the first half. I think after the anger has subsided and if we bring that same first half energy for 90 minutes 11v11 at the Emirates, they will have no choice but to respect us but more importantly, we have to win the game and the title for it to become a proper rivalry unlike the love-in at Citypool. Also, the difference between us and Liverpool is that we were until recently a banter club and Jover and Mikel's previous connection to City not to mention the ex City players. I would have been far more confident if Odegaard and Merino had not got injured.
@@juneflowers5056 I don't get where this idea that City vs Liverpool was a lovey-dovey rivalry comes from... It's really not that way, just players behave themselves much more in the modern games - you see it with most big derbies nowadays, it's way less intense than in the past, but City v Arsenal is just an outlier, and it's only happened after the game last week, out of blue really. City vs Liverpool just had Pep and Klopp really respecting each other, but there was still a massive rivalry between the players. I remember Salah and Bernardo, Fabinho and Rodri, all of Trent's comments etc. there was loads of rivalry but they've just adapted to modern football behavioural standards. Again, the City v Arsenal game last week is a particularly passionate and fierce outlier; I think Haaland was just really rattled up for whatever reason and his behaviour was condemnable and that just sparked a nasty atmosphere.
@sfb4144 Fair enough, I suppose I have watched too many clipped up videos of Pep and players laughing and joking with Klopp and players. I am not saying a rivalry wasn't there, just that it seemed quite friendly for a rivalry. Personally, I prefer what you had with Liverpool because it was nice to see - that's the kind of rivalry I would have liked because I am not a big fan of it getting out of hand and players going for each other. I thought Haaland was very disrespectful, dish it out to players, but it completely lacked class going for the manager.
@@juneflowers5056 nah, your opinion is valid, I just incline to disagree on the specifics... You're spot-on that it seems quite friendly for a rivalry, but in my opinion that's not inherent to the rivalry, but rather to the fact that modern football doesn't have the battles of Roy Keane and Vieira, or players as violent as Vidic/Terry/Joey Barton/Martin Skrtel/japp stam/Ibrahimovic/rooney etc. And I completely agree on the fact that less physically-intense rivalries are much better by avoiding toxicity and them getting out of hand. Having a competitive spirit and a sense of rivalry shows passion, commitment, emotion and it's also just simply entertaining, but it can easily escalate and get out of hand which is what's happened with city and arsenal now
@sfb4144 Agreed - hopefully, it won't boil over at the reverse fixture. If City win, you will lil bro us (although we may be past that now, it will be a repeat of "stay humble") but if Arsenal win, well, I can see it getting out of hand. Obviously, I would like a win without the aggro. Could go any way so we'll see. Nice to speak to a City fan who is humble, instead of those arrogant accounts on Twitter 🤝 - stay humble, man 🙃
Because they aren't able to bully Arsenal anymore. Just like boxing. If AJ went into the rematch against Ruiz with the same gung ho, toe to toe, method, the result would have been the same as the first fight. Arsenal would leak 4/5 goals and get a pat on the back for losing while playing nice Arteta ball. Now imagine Ruiz getting mad and calling AJ a coward for not using the same tactics as the first fight when the head to head result changed. Rivals, bar Liverpool, also hate the fact that Arsenal are challenging and aren't City's whipping boys anymore. This is why you'll ALWAYS see them jumping in to defend, side with and celebrate the last 2 times City beat Arsenal to the title. Bar Liverpool, you would think the rest had all beaten this current Pep City team to a title. They also hate how Arsenal not being able to beat a top 6 club has ended, with none of them taking a W against Arsenal in over a year. Utd fans will probably stop routing for City when they see their league title record under threat. Don't say it's impossible. City winning the treble seemed impossible and then it happened. You've seen how quickly the 12 years flown by since Fergie last won UTD the league, just like Arsenal have seen the last 20 years fly by. 12 years is how much time City need to reach 18 league titles and it WILL happen if they're allowed to continue dominating the league. Will you still be routing for them when they have 18 or 19 league titles?
@@alphaomega1534whats this weak mentality you are on about? when they first contended against city they were the youngest squad in the league.. fastforward they’ve grown up adapted and switched things up and are upset they finished the game against the champions with a last minute Draw… Whilst the champions celebrated like they won even though they played against 10 men Arsenal. I think you need to open your eyes about mentality.
@@alphaomega1534 whos playing victim and complaining? gabriel literally said in an interview not to worry they have to come to the emirates, that sounds like confidence. if you’re referring to the fans? thats another thing. but the players im pretty sure they are confident and have a strong mentality. took city 51 minutes to equalise against a 10 man arsenal and had them rattled im pretty sure their mentality is strong right now.
@@_Rambo. Ignore him man, everything you said was facts. Rival fans like this are saying Arsenal are “weak” while not losing to any of the big 6 for a couple seasons now. They don’t make any sense, they’re just mad like you said, cause Arsenal are levelling up.
...this video was just what I needed. as an Arsenal fan I have to admit being caught up in the BS...but I'm wrong. Forget the crap...let's see if we can beat a full Man City team at our place...gauntlet laid, let's go. Thanks for getting me out of my echo chamber! Rodri out opens things up a bit but it is a loss to football in the UK, he's quality and it's a shame we don't get to see it
No it isn't. Mikel & Joseph are childhood friends, wenger Fergus hate statyed by Fergus saying; who tf is this guy & what does he know? The greens, the players are getting feisty though. I didn't like the throwing the ball to back of head from harland, as childishly don't as it was, it's dirty & cowardly, real men face up to one another. Bit his fight with Gabriel been bubbling, last time to, so waiting for that, could be the new Patrick Roy Keane thing. People would pay to see a boxing /mma match between those 2
personally I love rivalry filled with hatred. No respect. No niceties. Lots of tension. The atmosphere. Can’t say I get that feeling from these two teams but I dunno
I feel like this feeling is brewing. It’s started recently but there’s definitely the potential for this rivalry to be something big. I’m actually looking forward to seeing where it goes.
@@Preta1012 I think so too. I hope so, anyways. The prem needs more games that makes the stadium boil. Games where you don’t just play for 3 points, but for honour and glory. Personally, I’ve kinda felt like some of these matches between already existing rivals have fell off a little lately. I need it to come back.
Agreed, everyone goes on about wenger vs Fergus, Patrick vs Roy Keane... that arsenal man u thing was so fun. With the taking shots at each other. More I didn't like harland throwing the ball at Gabriel head, as funny as it was to your inner child, that's dirty, he's a coward, but all the other stuff, I'm cool with, calling people names ; taking shirt, bring it on. I'll call you a hypocrite, or a pushy etc depending on what you say, but stop the pc nonsense & pretending to be nice, tell me your true feelings
@@Preta1012or won't go insane because mikel & Joseph are childhood friends, so there's love & respect there whereas with wemger * Fergus it literally started by Fergus saying: who tf is this guy, what did he know?
@@kurtsudheim825 Fr, I’m tired of all these fake niceties between clubs and players. Like, we all know you don’t mean it. Just throw some shade. Light some sparks. Go in for those tackles, play for your honour and humiliate your rivals. It’s not about 3 points anymore. Much more is at stake. I want to see blood, sweat and tears. For me, that’s what true rivalry is
i’m confused how people paint liverpool vs city as it was some close rivalry. city won 5 premier leagues to their 1. of course they’re gonna have love for a team they can always get 1 up on. the city players evidently look threatened at what arsenal are building hence why they’re actually lashing out imo.
After five years Liverpool had 1 prem and 1 UCL. After five years Arteta has an fa cup and they’ve spent more than Klopp did. I’m confused why city would feel more threatened by Arsenal
Also, I love that Bernard says this now, he never said a thing back then, never clapped them. I love him as a player, Beattock to watch, but I've recently learnt he's not the quiet, calm little bit, he's a slimy, whinging rat. An honourable man didn't do this, you pay respect when it's due not later. It's clearly mind games
@@Gabrielbodwbecause Rsenal have younger team, they're improving..lvpl bought players in theor prime to compete for now, that's why their all old & scout to leave or give to Saudi already. Arsenal bought youth, hence the higher cost for players, they had a more long term plan, more steps, weren't looking to make it to top2 so quickly, I bet even their board didn't expect them to go from 5 to 2 that fast. Manager is also younger, so again, got more time on their hands with this team, they're learning & growing, so would assume get better, as we saw the last few years, they're gaining exp
Nah you guys are the real deal. More footbal knowledge than most professionals or more known people l see. Hope you guys have much success in what you're doing!
Here's where this analysis is muddled up: Citeh's hate for Arsenal comes from the fact that Arsenal hierarchy were one of the first to raise suspicions of Man City's financial fair play misconduct. This is common knowledge. City in truth have always wanted to be a big club. Arsenal is an institution in English Football. They hated being called out by one of the very clubs they wanted to be. So internally they keep driving the narrative that their success over the last 10 years eclipses Arsenal's entire history. They're a fragile bunch City and their 5 fans.
its true i keep saying to people that once the vibe runs out. no one will pay attention to city, they cant even hold their glass to the fandom of fulham. not to mention gen z fans dont have long lasting loyalty when it comes to football
I'm an Arsenal fan and I want them to neat Man City to the league so badly after Haaland's bullshit. Rodri's injury is definitely good for us. But I can't celebrate it. He's just a guy at the end of the day, and I 100% agree with him that players are being overworked. It feels like there's something to watch basically every 3 days and while that's great as a spectator, im already starting to worry if it's not too much, and the season just started. You talk about a kid like Yamal but dont forget the likes of Bellingham that have so much drive and desire to the point they might drive themselves into a permanent injury. Saw Bellingham fall on his shoulder in RM's last match and genuinely felt worried for the guy. He's just 21. We love the enthusiasm but hopefully it doesn't ruin someone's life.
I will say this, I would wish any injury on any player especially a player like Rodri but I don’t feel any sorrow for him especially after he tried to injur odegaard last year.
@@hawk2328 Bro I'm talking about players being overworked and that's the part you're focusing on? Like what's the point of this much shit talking? If you lose, then what? Cope all summer?
@@davididehen2505 "Earn Our respect then we will respect you until then we laugh" LOL LMAO YOU SON OF PRllCKS, NO RIVAL FANS WILL REPECT TO OTHER RIVAL CLUB, ALL RIVAL FANS ALWAYS FINDING LOOPHOLE FOR DISCREDIT WHAT RIVAL CLUB ACHIEVE same thing like rival fans said that loserpool only won epl in covid league and klopp only won 1 epl in 9 years, SO WE DONT NEED YOUR RUBBISH USELESS RESPECT LIKE YOUR LIFE WHO ALSO USELESS😝😝😝
After Real Madrid beat Man City in the UCL last season Rodri said this "To be honest, I only saw one team" refering to Real Madrid parking the bus after scoring an early goal and beating them on penalties. After the 2-2 draw, Bernardo Silva said "There was only one team that came to play football".
Because they're whingers. Vvd said the same about man u. So what, yes 1 is far more entertaining for fans, but if you're the much better team is your job to break them down. As he said, live that people compatible either way. Wenger never used to change tactics because he played pretty ball, & they got slapped every big game because arsenal kept selling best players & were no longer top dogs, so couldn't do that like they did before. Now they've learnt & go: let's not be stupid against big teams & a few weak iberian blokes are crumb like babies, it's not their issue to play how you like, they're your opponents, they're they're too best you
So, Arsenal didn't park the bus last year either? They know they'll get outplayed if they try to play a high line, so it's smart for them to go defensive against the English champions. But remember when Conte's and Mourinho's teams were slammed by the media for parking the bus? Despite the criticism, they still won trophies. Arsenal, on the other hand, are parking the bus without winning anything. It’s only fair they get called out, just like Conte and Mourinho did. The difference is, one set of managers won trophies, while the other is still trying.
I’m not gonna lie, call me delusional but as an Arsenal fan, I didn’t hope for a draw, I wanted a win, hoping for a clean sheet. Our players can deliver and as Arsenal fans we need to hold them to that standard. This is a new beginning, this aint Wenger no more. We should not be happy with a 4th place finish.
Mah said it the best, City liked the "Rivalry" with Liverpool cause they always won Liverpool got 1 title whilst they picked up the rest every year, They want a team to come at them and open up. Arsenal don't care who they are we will fight them battle them and too right why respect a team that cheated to be there bunch of mercenary's
City “always won” against Liverpool? Since Pep: Liverpool 1-0 Man City Man City 1-1 Liverpool Liverpool 4-3 Man City Liverpool 3-0 Man City Man City 1-2 Liverpool Liverpool 0-0 Man City Liverpool 3-1 Man City Man City 1-1 Liverpool Man City 2-2 Liverpool Man City 2-3 Liverpool Liverpool 2-2 Man City Liverpool 1-0 Man City Man City 1-1 Liverpool Liverpool 1-1 Man City In fact, Pep has beaten them only 5 times from 19 attempts
Knee injuries are heavy wear related. You see athletes having to ice knees after games so the overall load can goes into it. The ACL might have been lingering for a while to a point now where it’s gone.
Dust time & hopefully not last. Real talk. Even if I disagree worh 1/2 things. Much better than a bunch of children screaming & getting to get clout by saying outrageous things for twitter or just looking to wind people up to gain traction because you have no real ideas to contribute
There is no real correlation between fatigue and an ACL injury, that being said, it's basic probability, the more that he plays the better chance of injury in general so there really does need to be some sort compromise so these players can play less games
First time watching but fan of you guys elsewhere (mad that I’m just landing here) Interesting points on the Rodri injury - fatigue can definitely increase the risk of ACL injuries but they themselves are mostly mechanical. Van Dijk is actually a good 10kg heavier than Rodri (similar height) so that comparison in terms of recovery is fair, though diff playing profiles obv
But City took alot of Arsenal players during those early periods of their big money 💰 team formative years. So what's all these talk about Zinchenko, Jesus and Sterling coming to Arsenal ??. So damn what ! Didn't they get Kolo, Clichy, Sagna, Nasri, and Adebayor directly from Arsenal too ?? .
It’s the same thing like last dance documentary … Michael Jordan and Red Bulls were not able to overcome the last stages but eventually did it…if Arsenal want to be considered a great team , they need to break the barrier of winning the EPL, don’t know how much time it takes
City's feeling the heat, because any other year they don't act like this. It's not like last year where it was more in a joking way. This time they were really salty after that game. Haven't seen them annoyed like this in a minute.
They can look down on Arsenal all they want to because at the end of the day is Man City’s respect is gonna help us win the league? No. they are the ones who have an asterix on their wins.
Times like these I Arsenal signed Osimhen. Havertz is too docile for such rivalry. It deserves striker that can get the ball and run it to the oppositions corner flag, like Henry used to do against UTD. We deserve this level of pettiness
I was so confident before the kickoff for the first time in years against city, i predicted Arsenal win by two goals just wait for the second leg when we have Rice, Merino, Odegaard
Overall record: klopp 11 victories Pep 10. Victories 8 draws Premier league Klopp 4 victories Pep 5 victories 6 draws. ... between them in their rivalry Both Managers won every single club competition available within 5 years at their respective clubs. Decided titles on single points with totals 98/ 97 points, 93/92 points, and Pep got 100 points in one season, whilst Klopp got 99 points in another. Both combined managed to reach 5 champions league finals between them. ...NOW without the tears tell me this wasn't a top-tier rivalry?!? 😂😂😂
this is like deja vu, arsenal don't have the "cojones", "nice kick about with the boys", after Richarlison and Ramsdale incident, all them been put in their place, i love it when an opposition player gets on this side of Mikel's arsenal.... see you soon man-city...
With or without Rodri, Madrid are still the heavy favorites to win a competition that heavily relies on your superstar when all they have is superstars in each position. I just hope Rodri will be healthy enough to start for Madrid next year. You know? Just to complete the 4 best players in the world into one team. Although last time we did that, Only one UCL and one league title.
City respect us already. We took 4 points of them last season. We had more players than them on EPL Team of the Season. That speaks volumes. They are actually upset that we are up there with them now
You’re missing a major point. Arsenal weren’t playing low block, they had city on the ropes and looked like they were going to score more. They did what city players last year asked them to. Then the ref got involved
I think the reason people are on to Arsenal and not other people who park the bus because Arteta developed into this. He started at Arsenal with free flowing footy, then continued that into 22/23. They came up short playing like that, so the next year he made his defense a little bit better. This year he' reached a new level of defensive intensity and its like every big game Arsenal has, Mikel brings out the low block. Im not saying there is a problem with it, I just think the only reason they catch slack for it is because of how quickly Mikel developed into this.
We played 3 tough away games in 7 days. If these same fixtures were spread out through the season, we would have different narrative. How many times Arsenal were told they can’t play any other way that’s why they always used to get battered away from home against big teams.
Arteta is not going to take his cues on how to play from you though. He doesn’t have to set his team up to impress people on social media. It’s his team. Arsenal can play in different kinds of ways and evolve as the game requires. They evolved as the City game required. They evolved as the Brighton game required. I don’t know why this is so difficult for people to understand.
@@TheGoonette I dont disagree with you brother. If defense is your best attribute why not play to your strengths. I was trying to clarify maybe why people have that opinion on them.
@@SH-oh6ys I have no objection with how Arsenal played, was a pretty smart way to come to the Etihad. Im just trying to show why people maybe have this sentiment.
Don't think I've ever heard a more ridiculous premise that's being framed around arsenal right now. That they owe it to man city/football to play a certain way 😂 what a joke
We have never seen this side of mancity. Pep's teams are usually cool and composed. But recently, when they play Arsenal, we saw a different thing. They are rattled by this arsenal team and Arsenal are inside their heads!!! They feel like Arsenal are a harder team to beat than any and when they fail to beat a team, they take it as a loss coz of the calibre of their team
Yall said it best city seen arsenal trying to replicate the style and haven’t been successful. So city players will have more of a chip on their shoulder and show arsenal players there’s levels to it.
On the players playing to much, this is really a player, national team and club problem and not a "football" problem. This affects 1% of professional footballers, players like Rodri, Saka, Salah etc. No one in Southampton or Wolverhampton is playing that many games, it's the elite of the elite and it comes down to clubs and national teams overplaying them. The solution therefore are with the clubs, national teams and players themselves, demand you be rested more, clubs take better care of your star players and rest them same goes for national teams. I'm not saying Rodri is wrong, I'm just saying the situation mostly apply to him and a few other players across the globe and that it's not a "footballing" problem, it's a problem that comes with being elite and competing for every title there is on all fronts at the same time. Clubs want to play as many games as possible, because it means they are doing good, getting far into all the cups and tournament but they need to protect their assets aka the players more.
As a person that has had 2 acl tears...it isn't wear n tear. It's just an uptick in probability of injury the more you play. If an acl injury more likely happens once every 200 games, and you only play 100 games, there is still a chance you tear an acl. The teams that c9mplain about too many games....Rotate! CITY HAVE 2 FIRST 11s. Miss me with that.
@shivaanmcfc7512 yeah the person that is back up to the starter would walk onto most of the teams between 20 and 4th place. In 2019, Bravo, Otamendi, zinchenko, Laporte,stones, jesus, foden, Palmer, bernardo Silva, sterling. Ridiculous arguments about "Arsenal spent a lot in the last 2 seasons" are bull
Honestly I do think city sense we are right behind them. We should have won that match if it wasn’t for a lucky deflection to Stones ffs. We switched off from corner and you can’t do that vs city. Haaland got his viral moment back from that Saliba shoulder challenge last year. The irony is that was a complete foul on Saliba but no one is saying it. Trossard yellow nothing for city. The ref was a disgrace and shouldn’t officiate any Arsenal games
City won the league last season without beating any of the top 6 teams. But they got their wins against the other 13. So if Liverpool and Arsenal want to win, they have to beat them as well as the other teams because City will do their best to win their matches against the rest of the league. Its an absolute requirement for them to win the league
The rivalry is brewing because of the opposite. Arteta has evolved into an antithesis of Pep ball. Pep set the bar high and to surpass that you need to evolve and city players can sense it. They know they are the best team in the world and they, after taking the lead, had to come from behind on their own turf, against 10 men but fortune. They know they huffed and puffed and they realized the season will be long and harder than anticipated. City have started the season like arsenal of 2 seasons ago...Full throttle in terms of energy..arsenal will grow into attack as usual.
WHY DO Y'ALL KEEP SAYING THIS "ARSENAL FANS WOULD TAKE A DRAW" SHYTE????? UNNACCEPTABLE. ANYONE TRYNA TAKE A DRAW AT THIS STAGE OF ARSENAL'S DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO 2022.
I disagree with the point that arsenal haven't got over the hump the knocked city out of the fa cup. I think it's more that they are seeing Arsenal as a threat and recency bias from the city players
City have now been used to walking allover every team in the Country, the haven't been challenged for the League title and haven't been pushed to the Limit by any Team in Games for a While but now Arsenal during that Game got them all rattled, the Formula wasn't working especially against 10men, who they usually destroyed and it was too much mentally
It’s obvious you two don’t really have any bias in favour of either team and yet all the Arsenal fans in the comments sound so offended by everything you’ve said 😭
The difference in attitudes to Liverpool compared to Arsenal by City players stems from the fact that Liverpool would not change the way they play just because they visit at the Etihad. They would lose a player and get destroyed by 5, but they would still play their game trying to make City’s life a nightmare. While Arsenal dominates other teams but then park the bus just to get a result against City. Which comes off as cowardly.
@@fangdog29Klopp won the ucl in his 4th year at Liverpool and prem in the 5th .oh and he won the bundesliga with dortmund.that too on a budget.financing van dijk and Alison with Coutinho.introduce a spending cap in football like basketball,Klopp would dogwalk the league
Do you know how many times we lose a player and played the way we play and get destroyed ? 8:2 against united, 5 -0 against city before two seasons ago , 6:0 against Chelsea, I can’t count mate so just shut up. U can’t play the way you play against the big six with one man down
@@footballhipstertv Did you not watch the game on Sunday? As soon as Rodri comes off Man city got dominated. In fact you are being disingenuous since they have been conceding goals left right and centre. They have been conceding so many chances Brentford could have gotten a draw. Man city are 100% weaker without Rodri
I think you're spot on, Arsenal have an air of phoniness about them because of their lack of success, despite being so competitive in recent seasons and having such a loud fanbase. For a lot of other clubs in the Prem, and even in Europe, man are looking at Arsenal like: ''Why are you man gassing yourselves up so much? You've won nothing'', so teams don't respect them like that. Until Arsenal make a statement and win something huge, it'll continue to be like that, and their fans don't help their case by acting all high and mighty. You can clearly see why City don't respect Arsenal like that, but I bet you they respect Liverpool, because Liverpool managed to push them to the final day, TWICE, and get to within a point, getting close to a 100 points both times. They managed to win a Premier League on top of City's head, only the second loss for Pep since he came to England. They managed to win the Champions League, and even knock City out of it the year prior. What have Arsenal done? Compared to that, nothing. In Europe, they're even more of a laughing stock, because the constantly talk big and then come up short. To be fair to Arsenal, because their fans are so touchy, I respect how they came out in the game against City in the weekend. Last year's match between the two at the Etihad was boring and cowardly from Arsenal from my perspective, but I thought they were brave and had the upper hand against City on Sunday, and I'm 99% sure they would've won had it stayed 11v11.
It’s the little bro syndrome. Arteta was their assistant manager, They sold Sonny and Jesus to “help” them, they always whooped them at the emirates or the Etihad. Now lil bro has grown a beard. He’s got big shoulders, doesn’t use Jesus and Zinny as much and is punching back. They slapped you up in the community shield and at the emirates(just winning) and you haven’t beat them in 4 attempts. All of that and they have pushed you for two years now. Suddenly you get aware of their shadow behind you and you freak out. That’s what Rodri, Silva, and Haaland were doing.
Facts. I’ve had enough of Liverpool and City brown-nosing each other and pretending it’s a rivalry. This could become close to United and Arsenal levels. LOVE IT
@@silvio25432im not gonna deny that citypool got wierd at the end (mainly cos i think pool fans where hapoy to win theire title and that defused things) but dont ppl remember early pep vs klopp in like 2017/18 when we were singing about each other getting stabbed and breaking each others buses 😭 it wasnt always so wet
I think the hate comes a lack of respect for Arsenal. I think pep only won 5 times against Liverpool. Liverpool knocked city out the CL. Got 97 points and then blew city away to win the prem with 99 points. So there is kind of respect there. But arsenal has not won anything.
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This show has the cutest intro I've ever seen on football youtube 😂😂😂😂
We live together… yeah
Cute asf 😂
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so refreshing to listen to people who actually have intellectual debates after listening to tons of football podcasts with their agendas ruining everything
The irony of United fans being so level headed especially in regards to Arsenal.
@@dominicthelordkabingait’s the Chelsea fans that can not be objective and are belligerent when it comes to Arsenal
Most of them cant hide the bias @@rickflose
@@rickflose Spurs and Chelsea are the worst.
Micah Richards in January 2022: “I just feel like when it’s Arsenal, everyone wants to lump in for some reason.”
Micah Richards shouldn't be listened too on this subject he's man city's presenter but he supports arsenal
@@AlienOmertaTVLol yeah kinda
He’s actually a Man City ambassador! It’s comical….
Micah Richards used Man City's name and used the clubs generosity to get a cushy job at sky and then he turns around and starts bashing City. A completely shameless human being
@@thegoldencache Man City was at best a mid table club when he joined. City's 'generosity' is usually called wages.
City was irrelevant at the time the likes of Micah arrived. City used players and their names to get where they are now.
A completely shameless club.
A camera angle where both of you can be seen would be better view than this split camera I think
yes i agree with Hersi
You say that because of the conflicting cast shadow on them. Changing the lighting will improve the effect dramatically.
True
Micheal Oliver was so quick to send off Trossard but last season when Kovacic lunges in on Odegaard and Rice, he doesn’t send him off bc he doesn’t want to “overreact” and “ruin the game” according to Howard Webb. That’s my biggest issue
well, from what I know, trossard got sent off for booting the ball out to the air after doing that foul against bernardo. Not bcos of that foul
@@aaronstanley4202 yeah so my point is how Kovacic makes 2 yellow card worthy challenges consecutively but doesn’t get sent off but Trossard does
@@aaronstanley4202 the obly thing about this is that he didn’t even take a second to look at trossard playing the ball 2 secs after the whistle. Seems a bit jumpy like he said, which is why people are upset bc where’s the consistency.
It's ironic they want to clamp down on grey areas but then let all the blatant fouls go free. Match fixing at the highest level
@@aaronstanley4202a clearance 0,84 of a second after whistle blows, oh my, what horrible play, such cheating, so dirty. Yet harland can tiny tackle & headbutt players & escape the whole match without a yellow?
Cams is the best football YT personality out there no lie
The whole narrative that Arsenal are the English Atleti is so overplayed. Arsenal were bopping the ball around that first half without their two top creative midfielders in Odegaard and Merino. They only really play like that when they have to, whether it be they’re down to 10 men, or like against Spurs, where it just makes the most sense.
Exactly, anyone who says that is either a troll or didn't watch ball. They scored more than anyone bar man city last year, one 0-0 dies not make you "prime Jose or Diego". They got slapped the year before as kids, they learn so don't do the same & people still complain, it's whinging babies. Arsenal still scored a few goals against lvpl, man u, Chelsea, Munich... slapped the small teams. Or if the 38 games how many times did they not score at all or just won 1-0, what, 10? & even ones where they didn't score like against villa, both times, they were the attacking team
Wenger was mocked for not adapting & always losing to the big teams when he didn't have the best players anymore to compete, everyone laughed, most arsenal fans upset in due because be didn't learn. Now they are aware & kids complaining. As lyle said, we'll which is it
ah flukey strike and 2 corners isn’t what i’d call bopping the ball around.
The thing is though: on Sunday Arsenal won against City while they were 11 vs 11. Arsenal won 2:1 and didn’t play defensively. And City looked bad when they conceded both goals. City was the better team for the first 15 to 20 minutes but after that they were equal. And City had no answer to win against a 10 men Arsenal in their own stadium. THAT’S WHY Haaland and Bernardo Silva made those comments. Because now they know Arsenal is not the little pushover anymore. City can feel it, Arsenal can feel it and I can feel it too.
Can’t wait for the clash at the Emirates!
Deluded
@@Kurozumi9 Bernardo, is this you?
@@BjornWieseif a match is only 45 minutes yeah 😂
@@Kurozumi9bro literally sta yt Ed what happened. Maybe learn the defn of words before throwing out buzz words to look cool to strangers online. Is he a bit stubbornness in his anger, if they're an undertone, maybe, but what he said is mostly facts, its shat happened in the game, trying to argue with facts is what is called delusion, not an opinion
arsenal were clinical but were never the better team.
How have I only JUST discovered this channel
Also it's insane how much of a snob Rodri is considering he came up under Simeone 🤣🤣🤣
4 epl . 1 euro . 1 treble . Ballon dor top 3 finish .
@@hemsworthdavid-l8hWhat does this have to do with my point?
@@gunmankhan8167 he doesn’t know how to counter so he just spews everything he got
All he does is cry
Rodri is right you are the weak one
Arteta retired as Arsenal captain we didn’t take anything from city he was ours already
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Arteta may have retired as Arsenal's captain, but his time at City under Pep was crucial for his development as a coach. Learning from one of the best in the world is invaluable. His tactics and philosophy have clearly been influenced by his experience there
@@BManippep was calling arteta up for tactics whilst he was an Arsenal player. Wenger was his teacher
@@mezertt Sure, Wenger was an important influence on Arteta, but let's be real-his time under Pep took him to another level tactically. Learning from one of the greatest modern managers, in a system that’s all about precision and innovation, had a massive impact on his coaching style. Arteta’s tactical sharpness clearly reflects what he absorbed from Pep at City.
@@BManip I wouldn’t say all the way though. In terms of defence pep has his way and my manager clearly has his one after watching the game you can clearly tell that arteta is more defensive oriented. Our big hitters is our defence and mid because we have size, control, height and speed (Timber, Cali, Saliba, White, Rice, Partey) and our wingers ALWAYS track back on defence. With pep his big hitters are more on the attacking oriented side so it’s different. Same philosophy in terms of style (control the ball, play on the wings) which let’s not act surprised about considering they’re both Spanish are we really surprised? Yeah Pep helped but Artetas been doing his own thing and has his own way trust me. I know. It’s my team 😂
I think City don’t like losing control over games and especially not against teams that are comparable to them. Let me explain:
City are a fantastic possession based team. They’ve got some vulnerabilities but you need a very good team to be able to exploit it. Arsenal seem to know how, which is rare.
They’re used to teams not fighting for possession with them. What they’re not used to is have a team that also has the CAPACITY to dominate games like they do, but that also can dig in and make the game scrappy, high paced and physical. So it’s obviously frustrating when their usual tactics don’t work nearly as well and they then get forced out of their comfort zone.
I think there’s some element inside the City camp that says: “Nobody should be able do that to us, but Arsenal did and it hurts.” That’s where the anger comes in. They are getting challenged by a team that doesn’t just open up and play rock and roll football. They play against a high quality team that is pragmatic, calculated and I think to some degree, has City all figured out. I could be wrong but I think this is why they are frustrated.
Personally, I like the rivalry to be this way. They can hate us for all I care. The more those City players are in their feelings about us, the easier it’ll be to exploit them. Liverpools “rivalry” with City was too respectful. It felt fake. But I feel when Arsenal and City line up, these teams really don’t like each other for any reason.
Underrated comment- completely agree. I was slightly annoyed because I felt City respected Liverpool and they didn't respect us but I could also see why so I was very happy that we let them have it in the first half. I think after the anger has subsided and if we bring that same first half energy for 90 minutes 11v11 at the Emirates, they will have no choice but to respect us but more importantly, we have to win the game and the title for it to become a proper rivalry unlike the love-in at Citypool. Also, the difference between us and Liverpool is that we were until recently a banter club and Jover and Mikel's previous connection to City not to mention the ex City players. I would have been far more confident if Odegaard and Merino had not got injured.
@@juneflowers5056 I don't get where this idea that City vs Liverpool was a lovey-dovey rivalry comes from... It's really not that way, just players behave themselves much more in the modern games - you see it with most big derbies nowadays, it's way less intense than in the past, but City v Arsenal is just an outlier, and it's only happened after the game last week, out of blue really. City vs Liverpool just had Pep and Klopp really respecting each other, but there was still a massive rivalry between the players. I remember Salah and Bernardo, Fabinho and Rodri, all of Trent's comments etc. there was loads of rivalry but they've just adapted to modern football behavioural standards. Again, the City v Arsenal game last week is a particularly passionate and fierce outlier; I think Haaland was just really rattled up for whatever reason and his behaviour was condemnable and that just sparked a nasty atmosphere.
@sfb4144 Fair enough, I suppose I have watched too many clipped up videos of Pep and players laughing and joking with Klopp and players. I am not saying a rivalry wasn't there, just that it seemed quite friendly for a rivalry. Personally, I prefer what you had with Liverpool because it was nice to see - that's the kind of rivalry I would have liked because I am not a big fan of it getting out of hand and players going for each other. I thought Haaland was very disrespectful, dish it out to players, but it completely lacked class going for the manager.
@@juneflowers5056 nah, your opinion is valid, I just incline to disagree on the specifics... You're spot-on that it seems quite friendly for a rivalry, but in my opinion that's not inherent to the rivalry, but rather to the fact that modern football doesn't have the battles of Roy Keane and Vieira, or players as violent as Vidic/Terry/Joey Barton/Martin Skrtel/japp stam/Ibrahimovic/rooney etc. And I completely agree on the fact that less physically-intense rivalries are much better by avoiding toxicity and them getting out of hand. Having a competitive spirit and a sense of rivalry shows passion, commitment, emotion and it's also just simply entertaining, but it can easily escalate and get out of hand which is what's happened with city and arsenal now
@sfb4144 Agreed - hopefully, it won't boil over at the reverse fixture. If City win, you will lil bro us (although we may be past that now, it will be a repeat of "stay humble") but if Arsenal win, well, I can see it getting out of hand. Obviously, I would like a win without the aggro. Could go any way so we'll see. Nice to speak to a City fan who is humble, instead of those arrogant accounts on Twitter 🤝 - stay humble, man 🙃
Because they aren't able to bully Arsenal anymore. Just like boxing. If AJ went into the rematch against Ruiz with the same gung ho, toe to toe, method, the result would have been the same as the first fight. Arsenal would leak 4/5 goals and get a pat on the back for losing while playing nice Arteta ball. Now imagine Ruiz getting mad and calling AJ a coward for not using the same tactics as the first fight when the head to head result changed. Rivals, bar Liverpool, also hate the fact that Arsenal are challenging and aren't City's whipping boys anymore. This is why you'll ALWAYS see them jumping in to defend, side with and celebrate the last 2 times City beat Arsenal to the title. Bar Liverpool, you would think the rest had all beaten this current Pep City team to a title. They also hate how Arsenal not being able to beat a top 6 club has ended, with none of them taking a W against Arsenal in over a year. Utd fans will probably stop routing for City when they see their league title record under threat. Don't say it's impossible. City winning the treble seemed impossible and then it happened. You've seen how quickly the 12 years flown by since Fergie last won UTD the league, just like Arsenal have seen the last 20 years fly by. 12 years is how much time City need to reach 18 league titles and it WILL happen if they're allowed to continue dominating the league. Will you still be routing for them when they have 18 or 19 league titles?
Arsenal need to stop the weak victim mentality they have. Its why they bottle every trophy.
@@alphaomega1534whats this weak mentality you are on about? when they first contended against city they were the youngest squad in the league.. fastforward they’ve grown up adapted and switched things up and are upset they finished the game against the champions with a last minute Draw… Whilst the champions celebrated like they won even though they played against 10 men Arsenal. I think you need to open your eyes about mentality.
@_Rambo. any team would celebrate a last minute goal but arsenal are to busy playing victim and complaining. That's weak mentality
@@alphaomega1534 whos playing victim and complaining? gabriel literally said in an interview not to worry they have to come to the emirates, that sounds like confidence. if you’re referring to the fans? thats another thing. but the players im pretty sure they are confident and have a strong mentality. took city 51 minutes to equalise against a 10 man arsenal and had them rattled im pretty sure their mentality is strong right now.
@@_Rambo. Ignore him man, everything you said was facts. Rival fans like this are saying Arsenal are “weak” while not losing to any of the big 6 for a couple seasons now. They don’t make any sense, they’re just mad like you said, cause Arsenal are levelling up.
...this video was just what I needed. as an Arsenal fan I have to admit being caught up in the BS...but I'm wrong. Forget the crap...let's see if we can beat a full Man City team at our place...gauntlet laid, let's go. Thanks for getting me out of my echo chamber! Rodri out opens things up a bit but it is a loss to football in the UK, he's quality and it's a shame we don't get to see it
This City/Arsenal rivalry is giving prime Sir Alex vs Wenger. We just need trophies to back it up
No it isn't. Mikel & Joseph are childhood friends, wenger Fergus hate statyed by Fergus saying; who tf is this guy & what does he know? The greens, the players are getting feisty though. I didn't like the throwing the ball to back of head from harland, as childishly don't as it was, it's dirty & cowardly, real men face up to one another. Bit his fight with Gabriel been bubbling, last time to, so waiting for that, could be the new Patrick Roy Keane thing. People would pay to see a boxing /mma match between those 2
personally I love rivalry filled with hatred. No respect. No niceties. Lots of tension. The atmosphere. Can’t say I get that feeling from these two teams but I dunno
I feel like this feeling is brewing. It’s started recently but there’s definitely the potential for this rivalry to be something big. I’m actually looking forward to seeing where it goes.
@@Preta1012 I think so too. I hope so, anyways. The prem needs more games that makes the stadium boil. Games where you don’t just play for 3 points, but for honour and glory. Personally, I’ve kinda felt like some of these matches between already existing rivals have fell off a little lately. I need it to come back.
Agreed, everyone goes on about wenger vs Fergus, Patrick vs Roy Keane... that arsenal man u thing was so fun. With the taking shots at each other. More I didn't like harland throwing the ball at Gabriel head, as funny as it was to your inner child, that's dirty, he's a coward, but all the other stuff, I'm cool with, calling people names ; taking shirt, bring it on. I'll call you a hypocrite, or a pushy etc depending on what you say, but stop the pc nonsense & pretending to be nice, tell me your true feelings
@@Preta1012or won't go insane because mikel & Joseph are childhood friends, so there's love & respect there whereas with wemger * Fergus it literally started by Fergus saying: who tf is this guy, what did he know?
@@kurtsudheim825 Fr, I’m tired of all these fake niceties between clubs and players. Like, we all know you don’t mean it. Just throw some shade. Light some sparks. Go in for those tackles, play for your honour and humiliate your rivals. It’s not about 3 points anymore. Much more is at stake. I want to see blood, sweat and tears. For me, that’s what true rivalry is
i’m confused how people paint liverpool vs city as it was some close rivalry. city won 5 premier leagues to their 1. of course they’re gonna have love for a team they can always get 1 up on. the city players evidently look threatened at what arsenal are building hence why they’re actually lashing out imo.
After five years Liverpool had 1 prem and 1 UCL. After five years Arteta has an fa cup and they’ve spent more than Klopp did. I’m confused why city would feel more threatened by Arsenal
@@Gabrielbodw The City-Arsenal rivalry has been going on for two seasons
Also, I love that Bernard says this now, he never said a thing back then, never clapped them. I love him as a player, Beattock to watch, but I've recently learnt he's not the quiet, calm little bit, he's a slimy, whinging rat. An honourable man didn't do this, you pay respect when it's due not later. It's clearly mind games
@@Gabrielbodwbecause Rsenal have younger team, they're improving..lvpl bought players in theor prime to compete for now, that's why their all old & scout to leave or give to Saudi already. Arsenal bought youth, hence the higher cost for players, they had a more long term plan, more steps, weren't looking to make it to top2 so quickly, I bet even their board didn't expect them to go from 5 to 2 that fast. Manager is also younger, so again, got more time on their hands with this team, they're learning & growing, so would assume get better, as we saw the last few years, they're gaining exp
Is not just about titles, it's about competing
Nah you guys are the real deal. More footbal knowledge than most professionals or more known people l see. Hope you guys have much success in what you're doing!
Here's where this analysis is muddled up: Citeh's hate for Arsenal comes from the fact that Arsenal hierarchy were one of the first to raise suspicions of Man City's financial fair play misconduct. This is common knowledge. City in truth have always wanted to be a big club. Arsenal is an institution in English Football. They hated being called out by one of the very clubs they wanted to be. So internally they keep driving the narrative that their success over the last 10 years eclipses Arsenal's entire history. They're a fragile bunch City and their 5 fans.
its true i keep saying to people that once the vibe runs out. no one will pay attention to city, they cant even hold their glass to the fandom of fulham. not to mention gen z fans dont have long lasting loyalty when it comes to football
Rival tears all over this and it’s the other way around
@@rezaalizaida783 This so funny. You want a tissue?
You guys are lil bro to City😂😂
Shut up kid and earn Our respect. Win something then come chat to us. Until then stay humble eh
I'm an Arsenal fan and I want them to neat Man City to the league so badly after Haaland's bullshit. Rodri's injury is definitely good for us. But I can't celebrate it. He's just a guy at the end of the day, and I 100% agree with him that players are being overworked. It feels like there's something to watch basically every 3 days and while that's great as a spectator, im already starting to worry if it's not too much, and the season just started.
You talk about a kid like Yamal but dont forget the likes of Bellingham that have so much drive and desire to the point they might drive themselves into a permanent injury. Saw Bellingham fall on his shoulder in RM's last match and genuinely felt worried for the guy. He's just 21. We love the enthusiasm but hopefully it doesn't ruin someone's life.
Keep dreaming 😂😂😂😂
I will say this, I would wish any injury on any player especially a player like Rodri but I don’t feel any sorrow for him especially after he tried to injur odegaard last year.
Earn Our respect then we will respect you until then we laugh
@@hawk2328 Bro I'm talking about players being overworked and that's the part you're focusing on? Like what's the point of this much shit talking? If you lose, then what? Cope all summer?
@@davididehen2505 "Earn Our respect then we will respect you until then we laugh"
LOL LMAO YOU SON OF PRllCKS, NO RIVAL FANS WILL REPECT TO OTHER RIVAL CLUB, ALL RIVAL FANS ALWAYS FINDING LOOPHOLE FOR DISCREDIT WHAT RIVAL CLUB ACHIEVE same thing like rival fans said that loserpool only won epl in covid league and klopp only won 1 epl in 9 years, SO WE DONT NEED YOUR RUBBISH USELESS RESPECT LIKE YOUR LIFE WHO ALSO USELESS😝😝😝
Calm and balanced discussion… love to see it
This channel is refreshing to watch. Keep doing what your doing.
After Real Madrid beat Man City in the UCL last season Rodri said this "To be honest, I only saw one team" refering to Real Madrid parking the bus after scoring an early goal and beating them on penalties.
After the 2-2 draw, Bernardo Silva said "There was only one team that came to play football".
Because they're whingers. Vvd said the same about man u. So what, yes 1 is far more entertaining for fans, but if you're the much better team is your job to break them down. As he said, live that people compatible either way. Wenger never used to change tactics because he played pretty ball, & they got slapped every big game because arsenal kept selling best players & were no longer top dogs, so couldn't do that like they did before. Now they've learnt & go: let's not be stupid against big teams & a few weak iberian blokes are crumb like babies, it's not their issue to play how you like, they're your opponents, they're they're too best you
im scottish and can remember rodri losing his rag after we beat them 2-0 at hampden, honestly such an entitled prick
Arsenal just play one defensive game with one man down and now all of sudden they become defensive team
It is crazy. Like we didn’t score 91 goals last season. LOL
@@TheGoonette this!
So, Arsenal didn't park the bus last year either? They know they'll get outplayed if they try to play a high line, so it's smart for them to go defensive against the English champions. But remember when Conte's and Mourinho's teams were slammed by the media for parking the bus? Despite the criticism, they still won trophies. Arsenal, on the other hand, are parking the bus without winning anything. It’s only fair they get called out, just like Conte and Mourinho did. The difference is, one set of managers won trophies, while the other is still trying.
@@BManip We really didn't park the bus last season😐
@@tobyladeoghenetega4793 If you truly believe that, its alright. Can't really argue with opinions
I’m not gonna lie, call me delusional but as an Arsenal fan, I didn’t hope for a draw, I wanted a win, hoping for a clean sheet. Our players can deliver and as Arsenal fans we need to hold them to that standard. This is a new beginning, this aint Wenger no more.
We should not be happy with a 4th place finish.
Man City has taken this personal. They banned all transfer to Arsenal. Never seen that in football
What are you talking about - City sold Arsenal two of their castoffs, a couple of years ago, remember?
@@TheFormerkgbchiefthey have banned it after jesus and zinchenko
Mah said it the best, City liked the "Rivalry" with Liverpool cause they always won Liverpool got 1 title whilst they picked up the rest every year, They want a team to come at them and open up. Arsenal don't care who they are we will fight them battle them and too right why respect a team that cheated to be there bunch of mercenary's
City “always won” against Liverpool?
Since Pep:
Liverpool 1-0 Man City
Man City 1-1 Liverpool
Liverpool 4-3 Man City
Liverpool 3-0 Man City
Man City 1-2 Liverpool
Liverpool 0-0 Man City
Liverpool 3-1 Man City
Man City 1-1 Liverpool
Man City 2-2 Liverpool
Man City 2-3 Liverpool
Liverpool 2-2 Man City
Liverpool 1-0 Man City
Man City 1-1 Liverpool
Liverpool 1-1 Man City
In fact, Pep has beaten them only 5 times from 19 attempts
Knee injuries are heavy wear related. You see athletes having to ice knees after games so the overall load can goes into it. The ACL might have been lingering for a while to a point now where it’s gone.
Years and years, Arsenal were critisized by pundits for been to soft, not cynical, no fight, no dark art and so. Now….Arsenal can’t win over haters.
Best football podcast on youtube, no agendas no emotions just straight football talk
Dust time & hopefully not last. Real talk. Even if I disagree worh 1/2 things. Much better than a bunch of children screaming & getting to get clout by saying outrageous things for twitter or just looking to wind people up to gain traction because you have no real ideas to contribute
There is no real correlation between fatigue and an ACL injury, that being said, it's basic probability, the more that he plays the better chance of injury in general so there really does need to be some sort compromise so these players can play less games
Nailed the relationship between the two teams and why, agree 100% - we need to win trophies, specifically the PL and the CL.
First time watching but fan of you guys elsewhere (mad that I’m just landing here)
Interesting points on the Rodri injury - fatigue can definitely increase the risk of ACL injuries but they themselves are mostly mechanical. Van Dijk is actually a good 10kg heavier than Rodri (similar height) so that comparison in terms of recovery is fair, though diff playing profiles obv
Love the podcast
Real conversations with actual rationality 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Sure, and they took, Gael Clichy, Kolo Toure, Adebayor etc. Not sure what they are complaining about really
But City took alot of Arsenal players during those early periods of their big money 💰 team formative years. So what's all these talk about Zinchenko, Jesus and Sterling coming to Arsenal ??. So damn what ! Didn't they get Kolo, Clichy, Sagna, Nasri, and Adebayor directly from Arsenal too ?? .
It's just hypocrisy from arsenal haters
Spot on from cams
Good show lads keep it up
It’s the same thing like last dance documentary … Michael Jordan and Red Bulls were not able to overcome the last stages but eventually did it…if Arsenal want to be considered a great team , they need to break the barrier of winning the EPL, don’t know how much time it takes
City's feeling the heat, because any other year they don't act like this. It's not like last year where it was more in a joking way.
This time they were really salty after that game. Haven't seen them annoyed like this in a minute.
Ansu Fati is a perfect example of a player who played way to many games and got a really bad injury
Bellingham played way more
They can look down on Arsenal all they want to because at the end of the day is Man City’s respect is gonna help us win the league? No. they are the ones who have an asterix on their wins.
the intro is class loooo
Lewis-Skelly got booked for telling Raya to go down, but Haaland got praise for all that BS he did all game.
and in terms of team history Arsenal has more football pedigree than city, history wise
Love the intro guys 🔥
Times like these I Arsenal signed Osimhen. Havertz is too docile for such rivalry. It deserves striker that can get the ball and run it to the oppositions corner flag, like Henry used to do against UTD. We deserve this level of pettiness
Id like to see Lyes start a channel where he talks about basketball 🫡
1.30 - why do ppl still have the perception that arsenal wanted to draw the game? Shame on you mate! Continued watching, I don't get your theories
man also the new club world cup is crazy, the next one will be a month long tournament in the USA after the regular season is over😭honestly insane
That Gabriel and Halaand i love it its heated its amazing
I was so confident before the kickoff for the first time in years against city, i predicted Arsenal win by two goals just wait for the second leg when we have Rice, Merino, Odegaard
Liverpool have never beaten city at the etihad in the league, only UCL
Overall record:
klopp 11 victories
Pep 10. Victories
8 draws
Premier league
Klopp 4 victories
Pep 5 victories
6 draws.
... between them in their rivalry Both Managers won every single club competition available within 5 years at their respective clubs.
Decided titles on single points with totals 98/ 97 points, 93/92 points, and Pep got 100 points in one season, whilst Klopp got 99 points in another.
Both combined managed to reach 5 champions league finals between them.
...NOW without the tears tell me this wasn't a top-tier rivalry?!? 😂😂😂
Man City 1-4 Liverpool 2015 says otherwise
@@noelalexis3239Not the league..Klopp never won there in the league against Pep
this is like deja vu, arsenal don't have the "cojones", "nice kick about with the boys", after Richarlison and Ramsdale incident, all them been put in their place, i love it when an opposition player gets on this side of Mikel's arsenal.... see you soon man-city...
Most of the players would have grown up seeing TH14 ripping the Premier league a new one.
After 115 we will probably see Man city in league 2.
With or without Rodri, Madrid are still the heavy favorites to win a competition that heavily relies on your superstar when all they have is superstars in each position. I just hope Rodri will be healthy enough to start for Madrid next year. You know? Just to complete the 4 best players in the world into one team. Although last time we did that, Only one UCL and one league title.
I love you'll keep it up
Blackburn 2005 is no bad thing. That team had some flair and style
City respect us already. We took 4 points of them last season. We had more players than them on EPL Team of the Season. That speaks volumes. They are actually upset that we are up there with them now
We don't 😂😂😂😂
u took 3 points off us a.k.a 1 win. 1 draw is a point for both. we dont respect u cause u had to win and u went for a draw last time.
What a trophy for Arsenal that is
@@Rk_4562 I don't think you understand the garbage you are writing
@@koetrotsotetsi2598 We don’t respect your tinpot club. Keep crying lil bro
Love the show boys 👏🏾 real football talk. Can you all see how much pain it causes the football world now that Arsenal aren’t a pushover team?
You’re missing a major point. Arsenal weren’t playing low block, they had city on the ropes and looked like they were going to score more. They did what city players last year asked them to. Then the ref got involved
I think the reason people are on to Arsenal and not other people who park the bus because Arteta developed into this. He started at Arsenal with free flowing footy, then continued that into 22/23. They came up short playing like that, so the next year he made his defense a little bit better. This year he' reached a new level of defensive intensity and its like every big game Arsenal has, Mikel brings out the low block. Im not saying there is a problem with it, I just think the only reason they catch slack for it is because of how quickly Mikel developed into this.
We played 3 tough away games in 7 days. If these same fixtures were spread out through the season, we would have different narrative.
How many times Arsenal were told they can’t play any other way that’s why they always used to get battered away from home against big teams.
Arteta is not going to take his cues on how to play from you though. He doesn’t have to set his team up to impress people on social media. It’s his team. Arsenal can play in different kinds of ways and evolve as the game requires. They evolved as the City game required. They evolved as the Brighton game required. I don’t know why this is so difficult for people to understand.
@@TheGoonette I dont disagree with you brother. If defense is your best attribute why not play to your strengths. I was trying to clarify maybe why people have that opinion on them.
@@SH-oh6ys I have no objection with how Arsenal played, was a pretty smart way to come to the Etihad. Im just trying to show why people maybe have this sentiment.
@@Secretninja98 I’m not a brother. I’m a sister lol
Don't think I've ever heard a more ridiculous premise that's being framed around arsenal right now. That they owe it to man city/football to play a certain way 😂 what a joke
We have never seen this side of mancity. Pep's teams are usually cool and composed. But recently, when they play Arsenal, we saw a different thing. They are rattled by this arsenal team and Arsenal are inside their heads!!! They feel like Arsenal are a harder team to beat than any and when they fail to beat a team, they take it as a loss coz of the calibre of their team
Let’s clarify something man city too nasri took cliche took arteta so they took our captain to become their assistant we didn’t take their assistant
Yall said it best city seen arsenal trying to replicate the style and haven’t been successful. So city players will have more of a chip on their shoulder and show arsenal players there’s levels to it.
Is this Podcast on any podcast app?
This podcast is just like talk sports.
Talk about olivers ridiculous streak of bad decisions favouring city.
On the players playing to much, this is really a player, national team and club problem and not a "football" problem. This affects 1% of professional footballers, players like Rodri, Saka, Salah etc. No one in Southampton or Wolverhampton is playing that many games, it's the elite of the elite and it comes down to clubs and national teams overplaying them. The solution therefore are with the clubs, national teams and players themselves, demand you be rested more, clubs take better care of your star players and rest them same goes for national teams.
I'm not saying Rodri is wrong, I'm just saying the situation mostly apply to him and a few other players across the globe and that it's not a "footballing" problem, it's a problem that comes with being elite and competing for every title there is on all fronts at the same time. Clubs want to play as many games as possible, because it means they are doing good, getting far into all the cups and tournament but they need to protect their assets aka the players more.
As a person that has had 2 acl tears...it isn't wear n tear. It's just an uptick in probability of injury the more you play. If an acl injury more likely happens once every 200 games, and you only play 100 games, there is still a chance you tear an acl. The teams that c9mplain about too many games....Rotate! CITY HAVE 2 FIRST 11s. Miss me with that.
2 first xi's? 🤣
@shivaanmcfc7512 yeah the person that is back up to the starter would walk onto most of the teams between 20 and 4th place. In 2019, Bravo, Otamendi, zinchenko, Laporte,stones, jesus, foden, Palmer, bernardo Silva, sterling. Ridiculous arguments about "Arsenal spent a lot in the last 2 seasons" are bull
We love you guys
Mahrez regen dude was fire.
Honestly I do think city sense we are right behind them. We should have won that match if it wasn’t for a lucky deflection to Stones ffs. We switched off from corner and you can’t do that vs city. Haaland got his viral moment back from that Saliba shoulder challenge last year. The irony is that was a complete foul on Saliba but no one is saying it. Trossard yellow nothing for city. The ref was a disgrace and shouldn’t officiate any Arsenal games
The intro is why iam here😂❤
City won the league last season without beating any of the top 6 teams. But they got their wins against the other 13. So if Liverpool and Arsenal want to win, they have to beat them as well as the other teams because City will do their best to win their matches against the rest of the league. Its an absolute requirement for them to win the league
What you mean??? we played with 10 men???
Boudiddy in the houseeeee
Being top of the table is really horrible.
The rivalry is brewing because of the opposite. Arteta has evolved into an antithesis of Pep ball. Pep set the bar high and to surpass that you need to evolve and city players can sense it. They know they are the best team in the world and they, after taking the lead, had to come from behind on their own turf, against 10 men but fortune. They know they huffed and puffed and they realized the season will be long and harder than anticipated. City have started the season like arsenal of 2 seasons ago...Full throttle in terms of energy..arsenal will grow into attack as usual.
By law, fans of teams that don't take points off City this season shouldn't be allowed to speak for the whole summer.....shook ones.
Anyone noticed Lyes looks smack like Martinelli
It’s simple, WE BEAT THEM ALOT
100 defeat is not a joke
I would like to know how many people got the "burner, like KD style" comment.
WHY DO Y'ALL KEEP SAYING THIS "ARSENAL FANS WOULD TAKE A DRAW" SHYTE????? UNNACCEPTABLE. ANYONE TRYNA TAKE A DRAW AT THIS STAGE OF ARSENAL'S DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO 2022.
It's not rivaly they just look down on they city players still respect Liverpool
I disagree with the point that arsenal haven't got over the hump the knocked city out of the fa cup. I think it's more that they are seeing Arsenal as a threat and recency bias from the city players
Manchester City are trying to FORCE a rivalry.....I can ASSURE you Arsenal players do not fear or care about Manchester City.
Considering they are the main obstacle to them winning the league, they should probably care a little more lol
yeah , we can see that. hence , u lot have 0 league titles too since 20 years. if u had cared more, u might think about beatign us
@@grealish2234 lol you got lucky. We'll see you plastics at the Emirates.
@@jordandavis3867trying bringing the PL trophy to Emirates . Since u lot have never done it
City have now been used to walking allover every team in the Country, the haven't been challenged for the League title and haven't been pushed to the Limit by any Team in Games for a While but now Arsenal during that Game got them all rattled, the Formula wasn't working especially against 10men, who they usually destroyed and it was too much mentally
It’s obvious you two don’t really have any bias in favour of either team and yet all the Arsenal fans in the comments sound so offended by everything you’ve said 😭
Cute intro guys
The difference in attitudes to Liverpool compared to Arsenal by City players stems from the fact that Liverpool would not change the way they play just because they visit at the Etihad. They would lose a player and get destroyed by 5, but they would still play their game trying to make City’s life a nightmare. While Arsenal dominates other teams but then park the bus just to get a result against City. Which comes off as cowardly.
That's not cowardly
It's just determination to get a result
@@fangdog29Klopp won the ucl in his 4th year at Liverpool and prem in the 5th .oh and he won the bundesliga with dortmund.that too on a budget.financing van dijk and Alison with Coutinho.introduce a spending cap in football like basketball,Klopp would dogwalk the league
talk again after liverpool play with 10 men vs 12 city players, or your words means jack shit
Do you know how many times we lose a player and played the way we play and get destroyed ? 8:2 against united, 5 -0 against city before two seasons ago , 6:0 against Chelsea, I can’t count mate so just shut up. U can’t play the way you play against the big six with one man down
Lol tosh
You basically said man city love team that they know how they play so they can beat them jokes
Rodri's injury has opened up the league that's how exceptional of a Footballer he is
He barely played this season and City won every game without him
@@footballhipstertvtrue and Gundos back
@footballhipstertv Ipswich, Brentford, West Ham and a Chelsea team in turmoil at the start of the season. Bore off
FFP fc cannot wait to hear the conclusion of the investigation 😂
@@footballhipstertv Did you not watch the game on Sunday? As soon as Rodri comes off Man city got dominated. In fact you are being disingenuous since they have been conceding goals left right and centre. They have been conceding so many chances Brentford could have gotten a draw. Man city are 100% weaker without Rodri
Talking about rodri's statement that he can not play that style of football and he was in atletico what is he talking about
I think you're spot on, Arsenal have an air of phoniness about them because of their lack of success, despite being so competitive in recent seasons and having such a loud fanbase. For a lot of other clubs in the Prem, and even in Europe, man are looking at Arsenal like: ''Why are you man gassing yourselves up so much? You've won nothing'', so teams don't respect them like that. Until Arsenal make a statement and win something huge, it'll continue to be like that, and their fans don't help their case by acting all high and mighty.
You can clearly see why City don't respect Arsenal like that, but I bet you they respect Liverpool, because Liverpool managed to push them to the final day, TWICE, and get to within a point, getting close to a 100 points both times. They managed to win a Premier League on top of City's head, only the second loss for Pep since he came to England. They managed to win the Champions League, and even knock City out of it the year prior. What have Arsenal done? Compared to that, nothing. In Europe, they're even more of a laughing stock, because the constantly talk big and then come up short.
To be fair to Arsenal, because their fans are so touchy, I respect how they came out in the game against City in the weekend. Last year's match between the two at the Etihad was boring and cowardly from Arsenal from my perspective, but I thought they were brave and had the upper hand against City on Sunday, and I'm 99% sure they would've won had it stayed 11v11.
Get a life mate honestly it’s a game
You England take the game too seriously have some fun 😂 for f sake
@@arselarbo9044 Who are you, bro?
Learn to summerize
Another newbie to the EPL who has only been watching it for the past 3-4 years.
It’s the little bro syndrome. Arteta was their assistant manager, They sold Sonny and Jesus to “help” them, they always whooped them at the emirates or the Etihad. Now lil bro has grown a beard. He’s got big shoulders, doesn’t use Jesus and Zinny as much and is punching back. They slapped you up in the community shield and at the emirates(just winning) and you haven’t beat them in 4 attempts. All of that and they have pushed you for two years now. Suddenly you get aware of their shadow behind you and you freak out. That’s what Rodri, Silva, and Haaland were doing.
Real bitter rivalry is back in the prem, none of this stupid friendly shit
Facts. I’ve had enough of Liverpool and City brown-nosing each other and pretending it’s a rivalry. This could become close to United and Arsenal levels. LOVE IT
@@silvio25432im not gonna deny that citypool got wierd at the end (mainly cos i think pool fans where hapoy to win theire title and that defused things) but dont ppl remember early pep vs klopp in like 2017/18 when we were singing about each other getting stabbed and breaking each others buses 😭 it wasnt always so wet
Man City Forgot They BUILT THEIR FOUNDATION OFF OF ARSENAL's Squad !!!
Narrator: Man City do not hate Arsenal
I think the hate comes a lack of respect for Arsenal. I think pep only won 5 times against Liverpool.
Liverpool knocked city out the CL. Got 97 points and then blew city away to win the prem with 99 points. So there is kind of respect there.
But arsenal has not won anything.