Cross-Border Terror Not Over-Arching Threat, SAARC Policy Needs Review: Former NSA Shivshankar Menon
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- In an interview to discuss a recent paper published by the Centre for Policy Research (CPR), which advocates a rethinking of India’s foreign policy and strategic priorities, of which he is one of the authors, India’s former National Security Advisor and former Foreign Secretary, Shivshankar Menon, has said India must rethink its attitude to cross-border terrorism which is “not an over-arching threat” and also urgently review its SAARC policy or run the risk of China being admitted as a member in India’s absence. In a 41-minute interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, where he discusses the CPR paper called ‘India’s Path to Power: Strategy in a World Adrift’, Shivshankar Menon also spoke at length about how he believes India must reorient its China policy and build several friendly coalitions to tackle and respond to the many challenges India faces from China. Mr. Menon also spoke about India’s relationship with the United States, which he calls “a critical partner”, the need to expand the Quad to include Singapore, Indonesia and Vietnam and how India must respond over the next decade to the US-China rivalry. A third big subject Mr. Menon discussed was the need to better manage relations with India’s immediate neighbours . He called for India to separate “domestic, political and ideological considerations” from its policy with neighbouring countries and seek to become “a source of economic and political stability in the sub-continent”.
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It's good to see Mr. Menon after a while. He is one of the few rational person who offers critical insight about foreign affairs.
yes, his skills and policy post 26/11 is well now.
@@IndiaReal123 ISI bot spotted
@@ajayvishnuvs9926 Exactly
I couldn't help notice how karan tried to put words in Mr Menon's mouth. Mr Menon is too smart for him to handle. Just let him speak.
Mr Menon is insightful, as always.
An insightful discussion with Mr. Memon. Wish Indian policy makers listen to him.
Excellent discussion. Former NSA Shivshankar Menon makes very practical and logical suggestions to lead India into the next decade.
dosti bani rhe
Karan Thapar is the man, who is the reason till date, Narendra Modi not held any press conference till now and forever he will never dare to face or even in dream to conduct press conference or interview to a real journalist till last breath of his life...🇮🇳🙏👈👆
Define real journalist...
He did a few interview with journos post Thapar's interview
@@dipjyotimitra186 ye Akshay Kumar, Anjana Om Kashyap,Arnob Gobar💩 swami, and etc etc etc.
@@abdulmunthaqem Modi is too busy delivering results to waste time on press conferences like your leaders in Talibani Pakistan do..:-)
AASALAMWALAKUM JAI HIND YOU ARE GREAT ANCHOR IN INDIA TRUE TOK EVERY ONE I SALUT U
Shivshankar Menon sir has amazing voice, views, style and panache while speaking. I wish I could find one just one man like this stylish!!!
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Ambassador Deepak Vohra comes pretty close. But Menon, his erudition notwithstanding, has a problematic record as NSA.
Won't it be great if Karan is the interviewer and is not compelled to answer on behalf of the guest?😀
That would be great! 🙂
Blind people blind discussion.
Interesting....
Yes, out of the box in its layers of solution offering, that is complexly simple, and complexly so 👌
I wish this guy was a leader.
Karan Thapar: Do you think the problem is this?
Shivshankar Menon: We have offered some solutions in our study.
Superb.. Nice discuss..as usual Mr.Menon provided accurate & to the point analysis & view ...But some one needs to come out of their Eco-Chember
As Long as BJP/ RSS is in power under Modi India can't separate it's domestic, political & ideological consideration from its policy with neighboring countries consequences of which the country is facing today.
It has always been like this. Isn't it?
Name a Congress/non-BJP coalition govt that didn't use Pak for central elections after independence.
BJP did try to detach ideology initially. Modi went to Nawaz's daughter's weddings. But was gifted with series of attacks.
@@dipjyotimitra186 Modi is PR man.
Islam ☪️ is problem- China 🇨🇳 now how to treat Islam
@@dipjyotimitra186 modi’s visit to Nawaz’s grand daughter was a personal visit and nothing to do with improve ties with Pakistan, modi even wished Nawaz on his birthday but didn’t wish the people of Pakistan for their father of the nation’s birthday (which falls on the same day). Whatever modi did was in the basis of his personal ties with Nawaz and nawaz’s own personal business ties with Indians . Nothing to do with indo Pak relations
You need to elaborate on this; this is a rather strange statement to make. How has its ideology any bearing whatsoever on its foreign policy?
Nice, meaningful, discussion.. sanity lies in keeping all our options open in dealing with our internal as well as external issues..
Jai Hind Jai Bharat 🚔❤️
Shivshankar Menon has been a great foreign secretary a brilliant academician and a failed NSA . 🙏
Well said
Karan Tapar Sir we Salute you Sir.
Views of Mr Menon, who can be rightly considered as one of saner voices in Indian strategic community, clearly display contradictions that India faces in it's policy. He acknowledges use of Pakistan bashing as being most important tool of Indian domestic politics but at the same time thinks Pakistan is irrelevant at strategic level of Indian relationship. In my opinion India can never achieve great power status with such ambiguous rather duplicitous strategy
Being an Ex-NSA, he won't beg Modi to reach out to Pakistan, otherwise he is saying the same.
For India to improve its standing, it cannot handover its security leadership to the U.S., neither can it afford to de-link its economy from China, or India would only be a client state at most. India needs to chart its own course by improving its domestic polity and integration with neighbors, which Modi has no interest in.
So, these philosophers will remain irrelevant in distant future.
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"He acknowledges use of Pakistan bashing as being most important tool of Indian domestic politics but at the same time thinks Pakistan is irrelevant at strategic level of Indian relationship." - Is this ambiguous or duplicitous ? .. What Indian politicians choose to do internally makes Pakistan an important tool for domestics politics. That is completely different and disconnected from what India chooses to do externally and for that Pakistan is irrelevant. Can't get any clearer than this.
@@qamarnawaz2346 " India needs to chart its own course by improving its domestic polity and integration with neighbors, which Modi has no interest in." - Can't comment on domestic polity cause I am unclear what exact you mean by that or how much of Indian domestic polity do you understand. But when it comes to integrating with neighbors, Modi is very much interested in and has worked on. It's just that Pakistan isn't included in that list.
Modi did reach out to Pakistan when Nawaz Shariff was in power. How & why things went south after that is public knowledge, except maybe in Pakistan.
Good
It is always a great pleasure watching Karan's interviews with imminent personalities,masters in their respective fields.Karan, as usual, is at his probing best; the guests, sensing trouble, are best at equivocation and dodging, generally.Overall, it is a time well spent.
Keep up the good work Karan.
Eminent not imminent:))
Just correcting don't take it otherwise.
India 🇮🇳 never 👎🏿 stand up 🆙
Perhaps i am the only Pakistani who regularly watch Karan Thapar's show not for the sake of highlighting short coming but to be joyous about dome sane voices with in India. It's not about US two, the trajectory on which India is currently moving on will ultimately backfire and it's shocks will be felt in Pak too. Though as a Pakistani i should be happy for that but what i believe as a human being is to see the region flourish not just the two of us. Any critics are welcome to criticize me or any sane voices but if you know the as the old proverb goes "the axe forgets but the tree remember". The common people of the two nation are trees, government will somehow fill their egos and walk away with their head in shame but US are the one who would suffer.
People outside govt is better than those who are inside 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻.....
Very interesting points were expressed
Let him speak !!!
Mr Thapar needs to reduce his tendency to interrupt while the person is still replying
he cant . its his dna ! sometimes ego and dumbness is hardwired :)
Bhaiya...
Sachin Tendulakar
ko bhi lijiy lapete me......
He has mistrusted Indians.....We love you....
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I wish to ask former NSA Mr. Menon, whether the policy/doctrine "Offensive Defence" of current NSA Mr. Doval is succesful and relevant?
if there is an intellectually more sophistcated understanding, a sobering analysis of what is on the table, and a solution truly all encompassing on India's foreign policy, I haven't seen one...
Mr. Thapar sir asking questions very in sharp nature Modi had dunk water and ran away from his question. There are no scripted interview.
Can you please share the discussion paper they are discussing or link of the same?
After success of Taliban in Afghanistan Indian Terrorism against Pakistan has gone down considerbly.
Karn you must do a program on this subject that how Indian Terrorism against it's peaceful neighbors can be totally controlled for the betterment of poor of subcontinent.
Mr. Thapper like every time tried to prove that he knows better.....
Mr Modi did not go to pakistan on goodwill visit. That visit was pre-arranged and pre-discussed. It is now in public domain that Modi used vested private business interests for a secret meeting with Nawaz Sharif in Kathmandu earlier and the same channel he has used for the meeting in Lahore. The industrialist Sajjan Jindal was in Lahore on Dec 25, 2015, when Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited Nawaz. This has come out in the open. So how can Mr Menon claim that Modi visited Pak to mend ties. Mr Menon should worry about India's relations with China more than Pakistan.
India has been replaced by Hindu rashtar long ago. Hence the foreign policy has to be based on Hindu rashtar goals. Sikhs and other minorities don't want any truck with Hindu rashtar.
its Brahmin Rashtra
The project had been ongoing for decades, it just didn't started with Modis election but it will be completed by end of his second term. Even if Modi looses next election, it will take a monumental effort to purge such elements out of every facet of Indian power, and if Modi wins, the shift will be complete and absolute. The proverbial fork in the road moment had long since passed and the trajectory of demise and destruction is set.
I watch Karan Thapar to learn English.
Very informative interview about India's foreign policy and particularly relations with immediate neighbors.
It’s always a pleasure to hear Mr shiv Shanker Menon with his insights however equally it’s a pain to hear Mr Karan Thapar vent out his prejudice views and interrupt the flow of thoughts and ideas of the guests.
Any ways kudos to the efforts of Mr Menon and his team to bring out the documents for discussion and debate
Oh yaaro thapar saab panni pila pila k questions kartey hai.. Yaad hai tujey zarrur yaad hoga... Modiji... Remember ... Still I had watched that interview lots of time by me.. Remarkable...what a Confidence he have.. What a Yankee man he is karan thapar saab🙏🙏 ji..
Looking at thumbnail I thought he was our honorable President
it's a pity that these spineless, timid, visionless bureaucratic wastes in company with a bunch of even more spineless, supine & coward politicians of the ilk manmohan, antony destroyed all credibility, prestige & importance of india internationally, made her a laughing stock, by always at the receiving end of pak & china until may, 2014!!...where were mr menon's all these analytical acumen & prowess then, dear???
Indian steering rod is bend . Do we have character to deal our problems.
Whenever Mr. Menon says something, Karan reiterates it trying to fit it into his own point of view. Somethings never change!
Karan, plz try n curtail yr repeated interventions.
Plz allow Shiv to speak more....
You are interrupting Menon many times. Let him speak
जिंदगी में पिताजी का होना भी
किसी कुबेर के खजाने से कम नहीं।
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एक सही व्यक्ति जिंदगी में कभी भी गलत व्यक्ति को चुनता नही कभी, भी भुल से भी, यहा तो खुललेआम कभी भाई. कभी ji तो कभी आइटी सेल वाले कुमार की नुमाईसी की जा रही है।
शर्म भी तुम जेसो को देखकर शर्मा जाए,
साले तुम जेसी वाहियात औरत हो तो ही ईनजेसे नीच फुदक शकते है नही तो ये लोग कब के अपनी हदे पार करते भी नही,
तुम्हारी गलतिया याद करते हुए तुम्हे सराहे या फक्र करे तुमपर यही नही समज पाते, गीरने की भी एक हद होती है।
Karan as usual and very informative interview with Menon who is well experienced in the foreign policy and the idea given in his view is very accurate and acceptable but the nation now go on in the hands of few and mainly the friend of Modi, Mr.Doval so wait and see what he is doing in Kashmir and Chinese border? Mera Bharat Mahan.
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We usually do not comment but why is it so hard for Mr. Thapar not to interrupt the speakers? Curb your enthusiasm sir.
Search is dead.
important @ 34:00
Looks like Karan is finally lost as Menon opened up and both of them realized there is nothing to start howling about Modi and BJP! they did talk about state of the economy but found that they could not go much further on it!! If the paper is so vague, what is it that is new or unusual in it? Most of the issues are already well known and work on them is also happening.
India needs to counter China on land border and it needs help from Russia, France, Israel, USA and other for defense equipment and technology. We need mainly USA and Quad for IOR for similar purposes. We are on our own and we can fight China certainly but we need to upgrade our technology and hence, from diverse sources.
After this Indian economy must grow and grow rapidly. Rest of the issues will fall in place once these broad strategic parameters are taken care of.
Interesting to observe Karan at his wit's end on how to handle China and make India more democratic by removing Modi from the scene...he he.
This is how an NSA talks and behaves. Unlike the joker desperate for fame as India's self proclaimed James Bond.
Pakistan NSA.
Whats is mr menon talking about, south asia without Pakistan:)- who remains in south asia Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, nepal & bhutan :)
Right....BIMSTEC
Kabul fell to Taliban on 15 August endia`s independence day (bhagwan`s curse on endia ???) Srinagar and Delhi to follow in coming weeks months and years.
5:00
11:00
What Modi has done damage to india on political, social and religious fault lines in 7 years what Pakistan`s ISI could not have done in the last 74 years. Pakistani like me would like to have Modi as pm of india as long as he can. Pakistani have now dreaming "Modi hai to mumkin hai" I am a Pakistani by the way.
India 🇮🇳 must open for srilanka and Nepal 🇳🇵 butan
The interviewer comes across as a irritating, pretentious pompous ignoramus. Shivshankar Menon is calm, collected and extremely knowledgeable.
And here is silly me, who is over-indulging in my duty of carrying forward the track-2 diplomacy by loving Chinese drama/movie ACTORS (gosh!..they are handsome) & listening to Pakistani coke studio more and more while my govt of the day is busy spreading misinformation about everything.
Why is this world so difficult??
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The thing is when the person who is being interviewed start elaborating his answer and starts to repeat the same point in some other way or is irrelevant to the question then only Karan interrupt, you see its not some kind of speech its an interview.
I appreciate the way Dr. Menon addresses countries as feminine entities, Atleast I haven't seen anyone else do so. As far as the fateful triangle of US, China and India is concerned he suggests a perfect way of maintaining better relationships individually than they have with each other. We have mechanisms like SCO and BRICS to do so I hope Dr. Menon could have addressed their relevance. Looking forward to read the document. 🙏🙏🙏
The esteemed guest thinks world is investing in india beacuse we are democracy and multi-culturals (and more such words).
World heavily invested in China over last 40 years and China is none of these. Business always invests where it can see returns. Period.
It need security -- an assertive hindu majority will only enhance the political stablity and security of this country. Hence more investment.
Hindu majority or Brahmin majority?
@@sumit1997 Thats all you understood in my comment :-D
I bet you don't have real career and are a paid member of a political party. If you had a job and worked for money you would have asked a different question.
He was unsuccessful when he was in office... So his opinion now is as good as any common man's opinion...
A common man has not been where he has been, so no..
@@ayoorchethan he was.. It was in past tense... So yes.
Biwsjit Bordoloi.I can guarantee, even now, his voice carry more weight than many common men.Including yours and mine 😛
@@Thevillageheadmaster he had his time to make a difference... People don't salute a setting sun.
Only economy matters baki sabh bhaad me jaye Ye democracy constitution diversity bohot din se sun raha hu
Per persecution of
Minorities in Pakistani and Bangladeshi
Actually, it's Pakistan that has a cross terrorism problem, coming from Indian supported groups.
India has most of influence towards east but without Pakistan, how can region unlock access to central Asia. Whole region from central Asia to Bhutan shud be developed like EU. Its wishful thinking. But may b some day ...........
Mr Thapar, please let your guests complete their answers. Once they are done responding, then ask your counter questions ( which are good questions btw). Your constant interruptions to Mr.Menon’s reply’s are really really annoying. Stop doing that.
Its always great to hear Mr.Menon’s views. Very smart, great insights. Wish he still had some role in the current govt. Thank you for doing this interview sir (thanks to karan for bringing him in)
I dont think Mr Thapar reads or even if he does , will acknowledge this :)
Volume seems a bit low... normally never an issue
We know Karan will himself answer his own questions yet we come to watch it😂😂😂
Karan asks questions and tells the answer he wants us to hear .
What a comedy, what SSM has discovered now is already being done by SJ over the last 5 years, during this time SSM talked about more friendly relationships with Pakistan and China and wanted India to be part of RCEP…Now he has comeback to the Government line of thinking
Hitler was liberal too.
Terrorists have their own pacts with each other. Each terrorizes within its own borders and some dare to cross the borders. Either way people pay with their lives and freedom.
Please let your guest speak, Mr Thapar! Stop interrupting!
SS Menon is a frustrased diplomat and pro-Congress speaker along with KT making Anti-Indian narrative.
When you give right advice to a fool, he thinks you wish him bad. - Chanakya
Lost count of the number of times Karan Thapar said the word Pakistan.
Karan Thapar seems to be talking for his friend, Ashraf Jehangir Qazi, the former Pakistani ambassador to India, who he was good friends with, who used Karan as a conduit to talk to Advani, therefore just as appalled that even Shiv Menon doesnt find anything wrong with BJP's handling of Pakistan.
He doesn't want to talk to Shivshankar Menon about any of India's other neighbours, cutting Menon off when he starts talking about SL, BD or NP😀
Mostly self aggrandizing escapism from realities of today's India based on a past that was never there. This is the first time i heard anyone claim that Sri Lanka survived its Civil Wat because of India... Mr. Menon what are you smoking? Wobbly isn't the word that one can use to describe current Indian direction, and frankly with each passing day it is looking they are being damaged irreversibly. The wishful thinking most of Indian intelligentsia seems to indulge shows their complete disconnect from ground realities.
India will be building a house of cards based on such thinking. India is responsible for rendering SAARC irrelevant, and with Talibans takeover in Afghanistan, its highly unlikely that India will change its behavior as far as SAARC is concerned.
Bangladeshs GDP is already higher than India, and as always Indian foreign policy being driven by domestic politics can only antagonise this relationship.
I dont even want to start on what he said about Pakistan, Mr Menon is the best example of delusional thinking most of Indian intelligentsia seems to be suffering from. Keep on building castles in the air.
This is what pisses me all the time. The know it all KT with his enormous wisdom always tends to steer the conversation towards some self righteous bs! Glad SSM is equivocally competent not to fall for it despite the former's shambolic attempts
Why is the "Devil's Advocate" don't talk on internal politics? When the Indian democracy is shaking.
I respect you alot sir, but why are you runnin
Cuz, he doesn't want to get involved in domestic politics.
Frankly, it's a less important issue than the hard power of economy & military
Remember, all the Asian Tigers barring Japan was a full or semi-dictatorship when they started growing. China used to butcher peopple when West opened her arms towards her & China started growing.
Israel became so rich despite being a Jewish nation
@@dipjyotimitra186 So you are saying, it is okay to go to gym when your body is degenerating internally?
The "Devil's Advocate" is an aspiring "Delhi's advocate"
Your geo-economic approach to China is flawed and shortsighted. Your priority should be to engage China no matter how difficult.
Mr. Menon's work seems to be based on certain assumptions which in his view might be realities. He is clearly trying to stand on a (safe) sideline and pose a new theory for future, which may not drastically offend Bhagts. Unfortunate !
Not necessarily. I'm am Modi supporter but find his theories logical & even aligned with BJP's core views with minor changes.
Sirf Hindu Kee Hee Chinta He?Jo Bhart Ke Ander Sangh Parivar Ne Atank Macha Rakh He Uska Qya?
🤣 Oh the fantasies, in the 80's, and 90's, India was nowhere, in economic hell.
If he don't come from aristocrat family he is not going to become nsa
Karan Thapar interrupt kam kiya kar interviewee ko .....poora interview barbaad kar diya
Kashmir Banega Pakistan - Arunachal Pardesh Banega China - Aur - India Banega Kabristan - Inshallah
You really had to worry Karan ….Modi will again win …sure
Simple idea should be deployed
Border policy : if anyone cross the border every country takes offensive action, we should also take immediate action.
Y Pakistan 🇵🇰 will join
Learn to take action from Israel 🇮🇱
Why can't this man speak in hindi
Its getting so repetitive. Every interview Mr.Thapar conducts, his primary aim is to drag current govt into the conversation and to show that they are bad.
So you mean to say they aren't bad?
@@letskickyouhard Of course not. Much better than previous governments. Reduced institutional corruption, improved last mile delivery/infrastructure, brought in some structural reforms, focused in improving domestic manufacturing etc.
I like some Karan shows but I hate his hate on Modiji and Hinduism, HINDUTVA AND HINDU CULTURE particularly. Yes haters can have opinion on me.
Just Hindutva
Taking rubbish
Shivshankar Menon: What my point is -
Karan: (extends his hand halfway towards Mr Menon) So you mean to say that you are making a point.