Noone can survive in Afghanistan without support of Pakistan. It's a really. Since American'have better ties with India and let Pakistan go into China Russia group, America's defeat was inevitable...
Let the US Consulate in Mumbai make an announcement about a free entry to the USA of 15,000 Indians on a first come, first served basis. Would be interesting to see the crowds and chaos at the US Consulate in Mumbai of Indians wanting to migrate.
It is only thousands of people out of 4 Crore Afghans who seems want to go out of Afghanistan. These may be nato supporters too, who are fearful of Taliban's
@@ayoorchethan so this thing itself tell that what World is showing is not true. these few thousand are the one who are looting since 20 years now they are scared of accountability
Pakistan defeated the USA, Afghan Army and Nato forces with the help of Afghan Taliban. That says a lot about Pakistan's capability of proxy war and their super intelligent ISI? Karan why Western media is to be believed but not what others say? One woman anchor was not allowed to work cannot be used a yardstick.
@@mikespear5459 i did not ever have any doubt but now they are admiring it on national TVs. Ghani Pvt ltd was an imposed corrupt snake on afghan people.
@@tiptop6726 India and Pakistan have been trying to gain influence in Pakistan in the last 20 years india through sponsoring their leadership & building projects like the parliament and hydroelectric power stations and pakistan through largely training the militancy & fundamentalism and funding a culture which inhibits human rights and values.
@@adity126 Do you have any idea of covert operations? In front showing a good face n in back performing like a devil. First Inndia should not work on its population like for a majority of people living under poverty line? These are all games to destabilize pak, do India really think that it can undo Pakistan? Then India got back the answer. What Pak could not damage in 70 years this RSS ideology did in 7 years. Its as simple as it should, peace or war. This so called RSS leader Modi in whole his life did not even dare to face the free media, he built building and wants to occupy the whole country. With Afghanistan he says, that there is a history, who was Mehmood ghazni? and many more muslims invaders came from Afghanistan. Or Modi wanna change the history or he wants to write it according to him?
Lol even if RSS was 1% like taliban, this propoganda platform wouldn’t be in existance! This same mentality of the pseudo liberal groups are indirectly assisting BJP winning the elections!
My compliments to Karan and the ex foreign secretary for the excellent & strategic analysis of the Afghan situation and its fall out on India and other stakeholders. Karan no doubt is the best TV anchor of India who has the intellect and professional courage to raise such questions during the talk shows which regretfully others in India are reluctant or perhaps scared to touch upon due to chauvinistic environment created by BJP government , what used to be a democratic country . I hope the channel and the publications with which Karan is associated provide him enough support and encouragement to continue with his current style of journalism at all forums.
Indian Muslims should avoid praising or supporting Taliban militias unless and until they form a secular inclusive government through free and fair election which represents all the stakeholders of Afghanistan whether its women, men,majority, minority, Muslims or non-Muslims as per their constitution only then we should praise and support them.
In this pandemic, the regular trips to US and UK and the perks associated with it must have waned but even then the zeal to remain a colonial/ imperial apologist remains! Invasion enabled by Pakistan only? And `terrible incompetence' of Uncle Sam notwithstanding, there is no effort to discuss, let alone understand, whether there was any US complicity! What was the deal between US and Taliban? Who was the ally of Pakistan throughout the period when Pakistan was allegedly training and providing logistical support to the Taliban? Who funded and trained the Mujahedeen in the eighties, who brutally killed Afghan president Najibullah in a violent takeover, to be eventually replaced by the Taliban within a couple of years? Who selected the thoroughly incompetent head of state, who was residing in the US, before being parachuted to Kabul? The answer to all these questions is the same! And yet not a word on them?! The one point where Hindutva forces and India's liberal elites agree 100% is their bhakti towards Uncle Sam!!
Here one particular aspect has been highlighted as an indication as to how Afghans fear Taliban how desperately wanted to leave Afghanistan as evident from the scenes at Kabul airport. I would appreciate opinion of both Mr. Thapar and Mr. Sham to the following question: If an announcement is made in peaceful and relatively prosperous Mumbai that those who want go to US without fulfilling any requirement should proceed to Mumbai airport; would the scene have been any different? Appreciate your opinion if you believe in fair play. US is considered as a land of opportunities and Afghanistan has been struggling economically. So the rush to go to US was natural!
There were 2 big boys fighting A small kid just jumped in at the scene as a spectator But at the end the small kid happened to be hit by big boy and comes out crying. That small kid here is India
Beating around the bushes won't help. This so called expert know nothing about Taliban and how they operate hence India, led by such so called experts, miserably failed in Afghanistan. Give credit to Taliban as they have beaten US/India/West sponsored 300k strong army
Yes, the talibans have beaten the US, west and Indians but the US, west and Indians will continue to prosper in their civilized nations and it's the Afghan educated, women and minorities who will now be thrashed by the "winning" monsters
Clueless in New Delhi ... Lamely Clutching at Straws to divert hapless, abjectly poor Bharatis gaze away from the Debcale of Hindutva RSS India in Afghanistan ...
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣😂 what a joker he is, he himself accepting that mullah brother and akhwanzada were in Pakistani jail and still believing that so called Pakistan sponsor Taliban what a confusion at endians side....
@@hpkumar3414 we are a major power in the region. If we leave a vacant space, the other major power China will immediately fill it and they will have there presence on one more side. Moreover, we uphold democratic values and should help our allies, the Northern Alliance, there. It is naive to say that we have ko interest. If so, in which other country we have as many consulates as we had in Afghanistan?
@@abulkalam1976 no this country is going to be playing ground for dirty games..Indians we better be remain poor than shaking hands with the malicious forces..
One thing is forgotten while discussing Taliban-Afghan issue--- civilised nations like Russia, America and NATO countries have helped Afghans turn uncivilized. Only the Talibans should not be whipped, all major actors are responsible for the present situation.
I am left flabbergasted as to how not a single Indian commentator on Afghanistan can actually give some what a picture closer to reality in Afghanistan, instead all are suffering from delusions. The crashing and burning of Afghan security forces had been a surprise to Indians and some western observers but not to those who actually understand the ground reality, Ajit Doval in 2013 speech said that Pakistani military officials told him that why Afghan army will fail spectacularly, even General Kiyani warned Americans in 2014, and yet acting all surprised now. Furthermore this also shows how Indians in particular dont have a deep understanding of Afghan tribal politics and how it directly affects the war fighting in the country. Pakistan holds limited sway over Taliban but to call them an outright proxy in these ridiculous manner is only exposing Indias lack of understanding regarding Afghan war. Also watching Indians loose their marbles completely after Taliban victory, is very entertaining making a perfect case as to what could happen when one starts to believe their own lies. India, please get your shit together.
I'm so glad I found this show. The host is very polite and professional. Being an Afghan American, I rarely hear the Indian prospective regarding afghanistan in the American media.
As far back as Feb 2020(?) the local groups were making their own safety arrangements (not with Ghani but Taliban). This was known to Shayam Saran and Karan had interviewed Vivek Katju who argued rather well to engage Taliban. In this interview both KT and SS are acting as if they want a bad nightmare to disappear rather than facing it.
Ashraf Ghani's real brother has also joined Taliban in Afghanistan. Soon Indian Modi government will also have to welcome & accept the new Taliban government in Afghanistan. Love & pray from Pakistan.
its interesting , at one moment he is defending that India government decision to bring back the ambassador and diplomats before all citizens of India based on security threats...leaving 500 + Indians over there at the dependency of US and other partner countries. Embassy being closed, where will the Indians go? If the security threat was imminent to Indians, all Indians should be advised to leave before closing the embassy. and on the other side, he is having adverse view of USA leaving and closing the embassy and speculating the possibility of Taliban or other groups to use USA people as hostage. That can happen with Indians as well. In the other interview on the same subject, other ex. foreign secretary gave better view of India handling of Afghanistan situation. he clearly indicated that India's step to close the embassy was an error.
Absolutely terrific insights Aghan situation by Mr S. Saran. Thank you, sir. My assessment is as follows. Over the years Aghan governments under leadership of both Kasia Ghani has been hopeless. Both equally corrupt and incompotent . America ran no option at end. To pave a way face saving Americans unwillingly made " peace arrangment" with Taliban to get itself out Afghanistan with a degree its reputation intact. The pull out process resulted in a terrible and humidity optics to American power and credibility her among friends and foes alike in the world. It will take to time recover from this nasty jolt. China must be elated to lecture and warn Tiawan that this is what America does to you when push comes to shove.
I congratulate karan ji for conducting an interview with our expert sham sharan ji He has explained in a very good way about the situation in afghanistan. I thank both for being the facts. Thank you karan ji.
IMHO, India was at an advantage, had it been part of the peace broker party when Qatar invited to do so. May be India was over confident or misinformed that the US may stay in Afghanistan forever. India would have put forth the Taliban their obligations towards us. A missed chance and an opportunity!
Excellent... Very well articulated analysis by Saran Sir... Nice to see balance view in the middle of useless multiple other discussion... Thanks karan for conducting interviews in very well & structured manner
Oh where are human rights activist Feminists Intolerance brigade Uncke Joe was lefts liberal leader yes? Our army was stoned by terrorists my eyes are still wet with tears 😢
The interview looks like a diplomatic discussion. Saran seems to be very uncomfortable, trying to hide with dancing hands & unnecessary laughs. Overall, Saran comes out quite unprofessional.
He is a reporter his work is to cross question the expert to get the most out of an interview. Most Indians brain has gone numb when it comes to journalism after watching years of mainstream media
Why is The Wire not sending its armchair "journalist", Begum Arfa Sherwani, to Afghanistan, the land of her forefathers, to report on how women there are looking forward to life under Sharia Law.
With due respect can you please also talk about the Maas killings by American, Afghanistan belongs to Afghans not by Americans or bharat. First of all why you are discussing Sharia law because you don't nothing about Shari'a law. Can't you see what Modi is doing in Occupied Jammu and Kashmir as well as other cities in bharat with Muslims other religion followers but you never discuss.
Saw a news report somewhere that Taliban agreed with US that they would not announce any government formation till August 31, the date on which the full withdrawal of US troops are scheduled to be done.
Karan pls excuse me for sounding racist but kindly interview some Sikh , Muslim or Dalit professional ob this serious issue. Shyam saran lacks culture character and wisdom to appreciate the situation. Eg. Even a child can guess that Taliban won't make a formal govt till USA troops are there? High caste hindus get job due to caste hegemony than merit based on competence & performance. Thank you for asking incisive loaded questions to which Shyam had no answers.
Karan you haven't taken us to a logical conclusions on 'Pegasus'. You know with this, what psychological effect has brought on the country's citizens? The same effect, where you see a board "beware of dog" but no dog in the near prescint..
Just for your information: the WINNER is never wrong it's always the looser (India, USA and the West) that are wrong. 🙄 IF ...let's assume that Pakistan DID support Taliban. Was the Afghan government without support? Corrupt Afghan government had the support from the richest and most powerful countries in the world. So the world should bow a be impressed by Pakistan ...ISI. Why are Pakistanis so happy?? Is it because Taliban came to power?? I don't think so. I am happy that corrupt Afghan government, that allowed Indian terrorists and spy agency to destabilize Pakistan and commit terrorists activities in Pakistan, is gone. So no wonder that the hardest cry come from not the USA who spent more then 2 trillion dollar BUT from India. 😛
Accepting refugees need not violate the CAA. They can be accepted as political refugees. It would also give India a locus standi and stakeholder in the Afghanistan affairs.
@@user_ar6332 clearly devastated and he himself agreed in the end while quoting india as biggest loser in the game.. not good news for all of us Indians
Why is India crying too much about taliban or taken too much interest in Afghanistan why India invest 3.5 billion dollars in Afghanistan as they are muslim and very far away from India but at home where 25 crore muslim are in India and are living under worry , facing atrocities in different part of India in different ways like mosques were burnt and demolition , even name of road has been changed , law has been changed in India to crush and demoralize muslim ,mob lynching is going on in kashmir last 30th years even other parts of India . In india muslim can't sacrifice animals even their religion allow . their are lot's of examples I can put which indian analysist or government can't answer. Why India not invest in India such a big amount especially muslim place such a big amount , so that India prosperous County . Their are lot's of reasons .if India will not stop animosity against Pakistan and not sit negotiations table with positive attitude ,India will never grow and people of India will suffer and India will break , by these politicians, establishment ,bureaucrat etc and the result will be zerooooo in the end .when we see Indian media especially main media all fake new , arrogant and propaganda against Pakistan to get TRP because Pakistan sells but NDTV still better than other channels. And pls stop calling taliban terrorists ,which we are listening last 20 years , very soon same main media will do lickspittle and call taliban government not terrorists . It's politics and politician's are bastard of humanity . It is still time for India solve kashmir problems with kashmiree , stop atrocities against them and their leadership who are in jail since decades , free them with positive thinking .and dispose articles 370, 35A and do negotiation with kashmiree and Pakistan and solve kashmir onces for all. And allow India people to grow otherwise if you continue current policies in kashmir and in india , this is debacle for India. .....
Nothing, absolutely nothing has changed. . We muslims neither can nor do change our way of life. Our way of life (religion) is divine. Though there may be difference of understanding of our way of life amongst us. Our way of life (religion) is not going to be changed according to the wishes of the world.
Listen to what Mr. Shyam Sharon said from 20 to 25 min. This is what the power of our intelligence power and Modi's far seeing future and ability to read the lines on the wall. When all the world is scrambling to take back their embassy...India has done it with so much swift that opposition has no advantage to blame India.
Th notion you mentioned at minute 12:00 , defeating a superpower will result in agfhans wanting to spread there message would be rational, but remember that the afghans beat the british and the soviets too. they didnt try to spread then so its very unlikely they will try now.
Clearly ... Hindutva RSS Bharat did not intervene against Terrorists ... It abandoned it's 'poor-weak' friends, the Afghans in order to humour it's 'strong-rich' friends, the US ...
And what was Mukti Vahinee in east Pakistan ? Pakistan is pursuing what it sees as national security issue critical to its sovereignty. I think they are right. More so when when NSA is on record saying if you do Mumbai you will lose Baluchistan. Or Ram Madhav saying Pakistan will eventually merge with India. I think no national security apparatus would in its right mind not push for a Pakistan friendly government with such hostile powers on eastern border.
If there is no such need to rush to a decision to favor Indian citizens, what the HELL was the rush for the Indian diplomats to flee????? This man is peddling the Modi govt
India should be big and invite all Afghans who want to flee the Taliban rule and give permanent visits to afghan students and military trainees in India today.
Are we not showing more concern about Afghanistan? We are not in direct fight with them and they’re not enemy country. Are not our concerns looking like a provocative.
So Pakistan managed to defeat Nato consisting of 57 countries.Then Pakistan should be a superpower.
American have an agreement with Taliban and silently support them. Taliban are also supporting us army to a safe exit
Yes and we defeated it 4 times 😂😂 so we are their father , well we actually are 😂
They defeated themselves, the moment they let Pak stab them in the back.
Noone can survive in Afghanistan without support of Pakistan. It's a really. Since American'have better ties with India and let Pakistan go into China Russia group, America's defeat was inevitable...
@Haris Paracha Indians have been brought up to be mourners. Now it’s their DNA.
Let the US Consulate in Mumbai make an announcement about a free entry to the USA of 15,000 Indians on a first come, first served basis. Would be interesting to see the crowds and chaos at the US Consulate in Mumbai of Indians wanting to migrate.
It is only thousands of people out of 4 Crore Afghans who seems want to go out of Afghanistan. These may be nato supporters too, who are fearful of Taliban's
The rest are dirt poor, can't uproot
@@ayoorchethan so this thing itself tell that what World is showing is not true. these few thousand are the one who are looting since 20 years now they are scared of accountability
Manoj I guess in India you are only who understood facts on the ground
Spot on 😛.
Very correct
Pakistan defeated the USA, Afghan Army and Nato forces with the help of Afghan Taliban. That says a lot about Pakistan's capability of proxy war and their super intelligent ISI?
Karan why Western media is to be believed but not what others say? One woman anchor was not allowed to work cannot be used a yardstick.
So India was sponsoring Karzai, Abdullah n Ghani pvt ltd 😃
th-cam.com/video/r2NqPZeSRkM/w-d-xo.html,
Any doubt? Whole world knows that it was Indian game since 1999 hijacking episode.
@@mikespear5459 i did not ever have any doubt but now they are admiring it on national TVs. Ghani Pvt ltd was an imposed corrupt snake on afghan people.
@@tiptop6726 India and Pakistan have been trying to gain influence in Pakistan in the last 20 years india through sponsoring their leadership & building projects like the parliament and hydroelectric power stations and pakistan through largely training the militancy & fundamentalism and funding a culture which inhibits human rights and values.
@@adity126 Do you have any idea of covert operations? In front showing a good face n in back performing like a devil. First Inndia should not work on its population like for a majority of people living under poverty line? These are all games to destabilize pak, do India really think that it can undo Pakistan? Then India got back the answer. What Pak could not damage in 70 years this RSS ideology did in 7 years. Its as simple as it should, peace or war. This so called RSS leader Modi in whole his life did not even dare to face the free media, he built building and wants to occupy the whole country. With Afghanistan he says, that there is a history, who was Mehmood ghazni? and many more muslims invaders came from Afghanistan. Or Modi wanna change the history or he wants to write it according to him?
Simply say RSS has a sister party in Afghanistan!!
Lol even if RSS was 1% like taliban, this propoganda platform wouldn’t be in existance!
This same mentality of the pseudo liberal groups are indirectly assisting BJP winning the elections!
@@hicoolpraveen One of the many reasons why I'll still vote for Modi in 2024.
@@hicoolpraveen
Absolutely Brother
My compliments to Karan and the ex foreign secretary for the excellent & strategic analysis of the Afghan situation and its fall out on India and other stakeholders. Karan no doubt is the best TV anchor of India who has the intellect and professional courage to raise such questions during the talk shows which regretfully others in India are reluctant or perhaps scared to touch upon due to chauvinistic environment created by BJP government , what used to be a democratic country . I hope the channel and the publications with which Karan is associated provide him enough support and encouragement to continue with his current style of journalism at all forums.
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Is it America being short sighted or naive in the context of Afghan pull out or is it Brahminic traditional arrogant thinking?
@@navidbutt17 I suppose both of the above plus their need for an going military conflict somewhere in the world to run their defence industry
@@navidbutt17 Brahmins don't kill other sects due to sake of religion.
@@anshulguptain ask an Indian achoot (Dalat) ,he will disagree with you 😩😩
Basic question to Karan: Taliban wants to enforce Sharia. Why people have problem with that?
First major interview by a former Top diplomat after fall of Af to Taliban . It's eye opening. Very well articulated.
Thanks!
Indian Muslims should avoid praising or supporting Taliban militias unless and until they form a secular inclusive government through free and fair election which represents all the stakeholders of Afghanistan whether its women, men,majority, minority, Muslims or non-Muslims as per their constitution only then we should praise and support them.
Like secular India
We better control out RSS Goans and topple BJP govt first
nisar, there is secularism in shariah. dont u know that? golden era for jews and all u forgot?
Bakwas. It took this genius 26 minutes to admit that it is a setback for India. Lol
In this pandemic, the regular trips to US and UK and the perks associated with it must have waned but even then the zeal to remain a colonial/ imperial apologist remains! Invasion enabled by Pakistan only? And `terrible incompetence' of Uncle Sam notwithstanding, there is no effort to discuss, let alone understand, whether there was any US complicity! What was the deal between US and Taliban? Who was the ally of Pakistan throughout the period when Pakistan was allegedly training and providing logistical support to the Taliban? Who funded and trained the Mujahedeen in the eighties, who brutally killed Afghan president Najibullah in a violent takeover, to be eventually replaced by the Taliban within a couple of years? Who selected the thoroughly incompetent head of state, who was residing in the US, before being parachuted to Kabul? The answer to all these questions is the same! And yet not a word on them?! The one point where Hindutva forces and India's liberal elites agree 100% is their bhakti towards Uncle Sam!!
Have we already forgotten the good gesture we made to Bangladeshi refugees in 1971???
Why did India have so many consulates in Afghanistan? To fund/support anti-pakiatan elements/groups?
Lol we have several consulates in Chile and Mexico.
Who are we funding through that?
@@anshuecon Respected bro. There is a difference between several and a lot of...
There is 1 consulate in uae for 1 carore indians. There are 5 on paper and several on ground hidden for few 100 people. Dont know why?
सवाल ये है इन तालिबान को कौन मदद कर रहा है? और विश्व के देशों इन तालिबान को मदद करने वाले देशों पे लगाम क्यू नही लगा रही है?
Sharia is Sharia and some persons sitting in India can not define devine system.
Go to afganistan then,you will get your Sharia there
Here one particular aspect has been highlighted as an indication as to how Afghans fear Taliban how desperately wanted to leave Afghanistan as evident from the scenes at Kabul airport. I would appreciate opinion of both Mr. Thapar and Mr. Sham to the following question: If an announcement is made in peaceful and relatively prosperous Mumbai that those who want go to US without fulfilling any requirement should proceed to Mumbai airport; would the scene have been any different? Appreciate your opinion if you believe in fair play. US is considered as a land of opportunities and Afghanistan has been struggling economically. So the rush to go to US was natural!
30 millions registered migrants in Pakistan since 40 years, if u felt u r extreme sympathy with afgani do give them shelter in endia
That is price Pakistan has to pay for breeding the snakes in backyard,
Great Hero is back in action in f2f interview..Thats Power of Brand Karan
There were 2 big boys fighting
A small kid just jumped in at the scene as a spectator
But at the end the small kid happened to be hit by big boy and comes out crying.
That small kid here is India
Beating around the bushes won't help. This so called expert know nothing about Taliban and how they operate hence India, led by such so called experts, miserably failed in Afghanistan. Give credit to Taliban as they have beaten US/India/West sponsored 300k strong army
Yes, the talibans have beaten the US, west and Indians but the US, west and Indians will continue to prosper in their civilized nations and it's the Afghan educated, women and minorities who will now be thrashed by the "winning" monsters
Clueless in New Delhi ... Lamely Clutching at Straws to divert hapless, abjectly poor Bharatis gaze away from the Debcale of Hindutva RSS India in Afghanistan ...
Sharia law should be implemented in India..
Lol
What a foolish and useless analysis. Expected better from Karan thapar.
Question should be what india wants in afghanistan and from afghans. Why so much worried
Cuz Jihadis say - last war of Muslim world will be slaughtering Hindus. Gaznwa e Hind. That's why.
@@chiluxr250 Stop posting shit on social media
A splendid interview! Loved the give and take. Also I hope the government is listening
government never listens since 2014. Fucing unbelievable arrogance they have.
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Indeed, the govt isn't listening!!!!!!🤣🤣
Instead of focusing on goodwill in Afghanistan.....What about goodwill in Indian Occupied Kashmir????
Q: Is it old Taliban disguised as new? A: No it is Taliban 1.0 pretending to be Taliban 2.0. Absolutely stupid innovation by Shyam Saran.
dont rush into conclusions, just think about what it actually means.
@@sanum3754 it means the same freaking thing. He just wanted to use a fancy quote.
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣😂 what a joker he is, he himself accepting that mullah brother and akhwanzada were in Pakistani jail and still believing that so called Pakistan sponsor Taliban what a confusion at endians side....
Very balanced views by Mr Sharan inspite of Mr Thapar’s repeated effort to put through his own views .
Mr Sharan is a intellectual i love his calm way he has explained
Great insights from Saran Sir. Very articulate. Thank you
Why not India send its troop to fight against the Taliban and liberate the country.
Why should we .we have no interest in Afghanistan
@@hpkumar3414 we are a major power in the region. If we leave a vacant space, the other major power China will immediately fill it and they will have there presence on one more side. Moreover, we uphold democratic values and should help our allies, the Northern Alliance, there. It is naive to say that we have ko interest. If so, in which other country we have as many consulates as we had in Afghanistan?
@@abulkalam1976 no this country is going to be playing ground for dirty games..Indians we better be remain poor than shaking hands with the malicious forces..
Superb! Karan Thapar, do more programs on Afghanistan situation, these would greatly help India , the regional powers as well as America and the West.
What a shame ...Ambassador ran away before ensuring the safety of Indian citizens.
One thing is forgotten while discussing Taliban-Afghan issue--- civilised nations like Russia, America and NATO countries have helped Afghans turn uncivilized. Only the Talibans should not be whipped, all major actors are responsible for the present situation.
But Taliban are the worst.
US wasn't forcibly enforcing Sharia law on afgans, sure there was corruption, but what Taliban is doing is much much worse.
I am left flabbergasted as to how not a single Indian commentator on Afghanistan can actually give some what a picture closer to reality in Afghanistan, instead all are suffering from delusions. The crashing and burning of Afghan security forces had been a surprise to Indians and some western observers but not to those who actually understand the ground reality, Ajit Doval in 2013 speech said that Pakistani military officials told him that why Afghan army will fail spectacularly, even General Kiyani warned Americans in 2014, and yet acting all surprised now. Furthermore this also shows how Indians in particular dont have a deep understanding of Afghan tribal politics and how it directly affects the war fighting in the country. Pakistan holds limited sway over Taliban but to call them an outright proxy in these ridiculous manner is only exposing Indias lack of understanding regarding Afghan war.
Also watching Indians loose their marbles completely after Taliban victory, is very entertaining making a perfect case as to what could happen when one starts to believe their own lies. India, please get your shit together.
Indians do not want to listen. US does not want to listen. Till they decide to listen they will have surprises at every corner.
You can't predict about the triumphalism of Pakistan but you are so candidly speaking about the future of Taliban with full negative venom.
So India is an angel!
Why not!?
Excellent and completely insightful interview as always with Mr Saran! Clearly a deep thinker and a strategic one.
I'm so glad I found this show. The host is very polite and professional. Being an Afghan American, I rarely hear the Indian prospective regarding afghanistan in the American media.
As far back as Feb 2020(?) the local groups were making their own safety arrangements (not with Ghani but Taliban). This was known to Shayam Saran and Karan had interviewed Vivek Katju who argued rather well to engage Taliban. In this interview both KT and SS are acting as if they want a bad nightmare to disappear rather than facing it.
Ashraf Ghani's real brother has also joined Taliban in Afghanistan. Soon Indian Modi government will also have to welcome & accept the new Taliban government in Afghanistan. Love & pray from Pakistan.
Yaha Pakistan kya kar rahe ho.....jao boom hone ke liye training lo😂😂😂
You may not be aware of what Taliban gunmen told Pakistani soldiers at the border - we are coming in next to your country.
@@subhasisghosh66 yes we shall give them free way to Wagha. They are right😂😂😜😜
Do Taliban follow sharia ? REAL SHARIA?
Not too impressed by the knowledge and analysis of Saran 🙏
PEACE = INDIA OUT OF AFGHANISTAN
Shyam Saran talks of Pakistani glee over success of their surrogates but he himself is gleeful about finding Taliban wrongs as seen by him.
its interesting , at one moment he is defending that India government decision to bring back the ambassador and diplomats before all citizens of India based on security threats...leaving 500 + Indians over there at the dependency of US and other partner countries.
Embassy being closed, where will the Indians go? If the security threat was imminent to Indians, all Indians should be advised to leave before closing the embassy.
and on the other side, he is having adverse view of USA leaving and closing the embassy and speculating the possibility of Taliban or other groups to use USA people as hostage.
That can happen with Indians as well.
In the other interview on the same subject, other ex. foreign secretary gave better view of India handling of Afghanistan situation.
he clearly indicated that India's step to close the embassy was an error.
After watching so many debates on indian media i am hundred percent sure now that india doesn't want peace in Afghanistan.
Brilliant explanation by Shyam Saran. Thoroughly researched and answered to clear the doubts.
Absolutely terrific insights Aghan situation by Mr S. Saran. Thank you, sir.
My assessment is as follows.
Over the years Aghan governments under leadership of both Kasia Ghani has been hopeless. Both equally corrupt and incompotent . America ran no option at end.
To pave a way face saving Americans unwillingly made " peace arrangment" with Taliban to get itself out Afghanistan with a degree its reputation intact.
The pull out process resulted in a terrible and humidity optics to American power and credibility her among friends and foes alike in the world. It will take to time recover from this nasty jolt.
China must be elated to lecture and warn Tiawan that this is what America does to you when push comes to shove.
Ashraf Gani : Hum toh fakir admi hai, johola utha kay chal deye
I congratulate karan ji for conducting an interview with our expert sham sharan ji
He has explained in a very good way about the situation in afghanistan. I thank both for being the facts. Thank you karan ji.
India should bring as many Afghan refugees as possible for a good will. Wish India all the best.
An interview with Sohail Shaheen would be awesome!
Yes and press conference
Lot of respect for Mr sham Saran for speaking with clarity, love his mild laugh.
Very hypocritical interview.
@@razahussainshah8173 Looks like that.
Sometimes its good to sit back and call back all the INDIAN spies (Peace Spoilers) from AFGHANISTAN!!!
Very well said by Mr. Saran
Please the journalist killed was a Muslim and was killed on the instigation of Indian.
IMHO, India was at an advantage, had it been part of the peace broker party when Qatar invited to do so.
May be India was over confident or misinformed that the US may stay in Afghanistan forever.
India would have put forth the Taliban their obligations towards us. A missed chance and an opportunity!
Karan is the best TV English Anchor.. The way he conducts himself is awesome..
Excellent... Very well articulated analysis by Saran Sir... Nice to see balance view in the middle of useless multiple other discussion... Thanks karan for conducting interviews in very well & structured manner
If India didnt learn in last 20 years and set down and watch, it mean India deserves such more defeats,
Oh where are
human rights activist
Feminists
Intolerance brigade
Uncke Joe was lefts liberal leader yes?
Our army was stoned by terrorists my eyes are still wet with tears 😢
The interview looks like a diplomatic discussion. Saran seems to be very uncomfortable, trying to hide with dancing hands & unnecessary laughs. Overall, Saran comes out quite unprofessional.
Kabul fell to Taliban on 15 August endia`s independence day (bhagwan`s warning ???) Srinagar and Delhi to follow in coming weeks months and years.
well said RSS is the saffronised version of taliban..!
Why is Karan acting like the spokesperson of the Taliban throughout?
He is a reporter his work is to cross question the expert to get the most out of an interview. Most Indians brain has gone numb when it comes to journalism after watching years of mainstream media
Why is The Wire not sending its armchair "journalist", Begum Arfa Sherwani, to Afghanistan, the land of her forefathers, to report on how women there are looking forward to life under Sharia Law.
Very impressive analysis. Unbiased and based on ground realities
It's not a set back for India but a lesson for India. Parosi kai ghar taang nahi martey.
With due respect can you please also talk about the Maas killings by American, Afghanistan belongs to Afghans not by Americans or bharat. First of all why you are discussing Sharia law because you don't nothing about Shari'a law.
Can't you see what Modi is doing in Occupied Jammu and Kashmir as well as other cities in bharat with Muslims other religion followers but you never discuss.
FREEDOM FOR KASHMIR ACCORDING TO UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION AND WISHES OF KASHMIRIS.........................
Freedom from whom?
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Illegal indian occupation........
Saw a news report somewhere that Taliban agreed with US that they would not announce any government formation till August 31, the date on which the full withdrawal of US troops are scheduled to be done.
The conduct of USA on Afgan issue has raised questions about its role as a responsible and reliable power.
Can you fight the Chinese and Pakistan without help from US....really?
When the war failed, diplomacy should have been the way to go , Afghan government failed to do that , more so failure of usa ..
Karan pls excuse me for sounding racist but kindly interview some Sikh , Muslim or Dalit professional ob this serious issue. Shyam saran lacks culture character and wisdom to appreciate the situation. Eg. Even a child can guess that Taliban won't make a formal govt till USA troops are there? High caste hindus get job due to caste hegemony than merit based on competence & performance. Thank you for asking incisive loaded questions to which Shyam had no answers.
For the first time Shyam talked Sense.
Karan you haven't taken us to a logical conclusions on 'Pegasus'. You know with this, what psychological effect has brought on the country's citizens? The same effect, where you see a board "beware of dog" but no dog in the near prescint..
Just for your information: the WINNER is never wrong it's always the looser (India, USA and the West) that are wrong. 🙄
IF ...let's assume that Pakistan DID support Taliban. Was the Afghan government without support? Corrupt Afghan government had the support from the richest and most powerful countries in the world. So the world should bow a be impressed by Pakistan ...ISI.
Why are Pakistanis so happy?? Is it because Taliban came to power?? I don't think so. I am happy that corrupt Afghan government, that allowed Indian terrorists and spy agency to destabilize Pakistan and commit terrorists activities in Pakistan, is gone.
So no wonder that the hardest cry come from not the USA who spent more then 2 trillion dollar BUT from India.
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Please share these interviews as Podcasts also. Thanks!
Accepting refugees need not violate the CAA. They can be accepted as political refugees.
It would also give India a locus standi and stakeholder in the Afghanistan affairs.
Great discussion. Karan thapar , tye think tank of india ! 🙏
Shyam saran looks devastated
certainly not. he jokes, he laughs throughout the interview.
@@user_ar6332 clearly devastated and he himself agreed in the end while quoting india as biggest loser in the game.. not good news for all of us Indians
Why is India crying too much about taliban or taken too much interest in Afghanistan why India invest 3.5 billion dollars in Afghanistan as they are muslim and very far away from India but at home where 25 crore muslim are in India and are living under worry , facing atrocities in different part of India in different ways like mosques were burnt and demolition , even name of road has been changed , law has been changed in India to crush and demoralize muslim ,mob lynching is going on in kashmir last 30th years even other parts of India . In india muslim can't sacrifice animals even their religion allow . their are lot's of examples I can put which indian analysist or government can't answer. Why India not invest in India such a big amount especially muslim place such a big amount , so that India prosperous County . Their are lot's of reasons .if India will not stop animosity against Pakistan and not sit negotiations table with positive attitude ,India will never grow and people of India will suffer and India will break , by these politicians, establishment ,bureaucrat etc and the result will be zerooooo in the end .when we see Indian media especially main media all fake new , arrogant and propaganda against Pakistan to get TRP because Pakistan sells but NDTV still better than other channels. And pls stop calling taliban terrorists ,which we are listening last 20 years , very soon same main media will do lickspittle and call taliban government not terrorists . It's politics and politician's are bastard of humanity . It is still time for India solve kashmir problems with kashmiree , stop atrocities against them and their leadership who are in jail since decades , free them with positive thinking .and dispose articles 370, 35A and do negotiation with kashmiree and Pakistan and solve kashmir onces for all. And allow India people to grow otherwise if you continue current policies in kashmir and in india , this is debacle for India. .....
A programme totally for Indian Hindutiva consumption
Yes, you are right.
We all are ready for it fully… GAZWA-E-HIND …. KASHMIR BANY GA PAKISTAN
Wouldn't Taliban oppose India extending helping hand to Afghans who want to escape?
Nothing, absolutely nothing has changed. . We muslims neither can nor do change our way of life. Our way of life (religion) is divine. Though there may be difference of understanding of our way of life amongst us. Our way of life (religion) is not going to be changed according to the wishes of the world.
If a blink of peace bw afghan is set back for India then we should all imagine the role of India as spoiler in Afghanistan.
Listen to what Mr. Shyam Sharon said from 20 to 25 min. This is what the power of our intelligence power and Modi's far seeing future and ability to read the lines on the wall. When all the world is scrambling to take back their embassy...India has done it with so much swift that opposition has no advantage to blame India.
Modi vision is not beyond Tea Kettle.
@@romm2885 I love my mng tea. You don't drink ?
thanks for the compliment!
The main point of discussion should be how the taliban get to power without resistance !!
Its a serious matter of concern.
Which is not discussed..
Love from Ladakh, China 🇨🇳
The sponsored players of taliban are not yet recognized, but our media is in hurry to recognise them
Absolutely love this format.
Indian should think about the circumstances to call talban terrorist.
Th notion you mentioned at minute 12:00 , defeating a superpower will result in agfhans wanting to spread there message would be rational, but remember that the afghans beat the british and the soviets too. they didnt try to spread then so its very unlikely they will try now.
Mr, shyam saran spent 24 hours inside his room ,how Mr.shyamsara will know what has happen in Afghanistan?
Clearly ... Hindutva RSS Bharat did not intervene against Terrorists ... It abandoned it's 'poor-weak' friends, the Afghans in order to humour it's 'strong-rich' friends, the US ...
Karan mentions LeT and JeM already being their and action. What action?
And what was Mukti Vahinee in east Pakistan ? Pakistan is pursuing what it sees as national security issue critical to its sovereignty. I think they are right. More so when when NSA is on record saying if you do Mumbai you will lose Baluchistan. Or Ram Madhav saying Pakistan will eventually merge with India. I think no national security apparatus would in its right mind not push for a Pakistan friendly government with such hostile powers on eastern border.
If there is no such need to rush to a decision to favor Indian citizens, what the HELL was the rush for the Indian diplomats to flee????? This man is peddling the Modi govt
India should be big and invite all Afghans who want to flee the Taliban rule and give permanent visits to afghan students and military trainees in India today.
Never start a war that you cannot win. You will pay a heavy price
Are we not showing more concern about Afghanistan? We are not in direct fight with them and they’re not enemy country. Are not our concerns looking like a provocative.