Space Engineers 2 Development Update - New Sky Box - Clouds - Water
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video we take a look at all the new information that has been released about Vrage 3 the new engine being developed my keen software house.
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Having to use active or passive radars to find enemies hiding in clouds could be cool, but the clouds would have to be synchronised between players.
That would be one of my concerns at what cost will these new features cause to performance...
Should be trivial to sync clouds with minimal performance impact, assuming they're using a seed based perlin noise system.
@@K-Anator I'm over-simplifying, but I'd imagine you would basically share seed and a timestamp.
*turns grphx down to potato and shoots you through where the cloud used to be*
@@thamghoul5719 Yea pretty much. Nab the seed from the server and it's current step in time, sync it, and make sure every couple hundred frames that things are still aligned.
It should essentially be the same system they currently have in place to make sure time of day is correct on clients mixed with a bit of Minecraft's world generation.
Hopefully there wouldn't be a graphics option so low that Fakenamerton's scenario isn't a factor; perhaps a server side toggle to just straight up disable clouds entirely for performance oriented servers.
Personally: I am ok with Keen focusing more on vrage3/SE2 than continuing with SE1. it's still fun, mostly enjoyable even when lag hits, and still is great for just building and messing about in a really big sandbox. I just hope next time around they give way more care into round blocks. I don't just want rounded corners, I want rounded versions of every straight block.
I think they have a tough transition ahead may players will excited to see a new game as they fell that SE1 has done them well and they have had a lot of fun out of it. On the other hand players may feel like its unfinished and still lacks performance. Fingers crossed they tackle this hurdle well.
@@LastStandGamers I always thought the best way to go about this would more than likely To allow the transfer of grids from SE 1 to the new engine, granted, I know that blocks work differently it would be quite the endeavor. However, it would probably ease a lot of the community tensions.
I think a new game makes more sense. They can start from scratch and build a better foundation. Like maybe you don't need gyros to rotate anymore, and it just uses thrusters like in real life.
@@Nixeen yeah maybe
.... why not just improving the things they have before just creating another game?? Look at Medieval Engineers. Totally abandoned and filled with bugs.
Promising! Though, I'm reserving my hype until I see the framerate, when two large vessels with a multitude of weapons slam into each other.
I bet it will be 12 FPS and 0.33 simspeed with 3080
This is exactly what many will be waiting to see. Keeping my fingers crossed.
@@Keyboard_Thoughts it is obviously meant for the 6160-Ti
@@Keyboard_Thoughts12 seems a bit too high
we know that magic doesnt exist. if the game is that advanced and good looking- there must be plenty of performance issues.
I look forward to SE2, but I am apprehensive about how the game will perform. It looks like most of the big performance hits come from planets, but I hope the unified grid system doesn't hamstring space-based builds. We all want to build a greater number of even larger things, after all.
SE-2 still not even anounced. This is JUST the engine - VRage 3 and some old assets from SE1
@@df1nedso, they'll implement vrage3 in SE, test it, find bugs, then make se2
@@df1ned that’s not entirely correct. Some of the assets are new as well, such as the stairs block and the skybox.
@@elindis Are you sure about the stairs? The skybox really doesn't count, as that could easily be an engine default. Also im not really saying that SE2 isn't coming - I think they will probably make it, or something with a similar core concept under a different name, but its not announced for sure yet
@@df1ned I am sure about the stairs yeah. It may not be announced, but it seems like an inevitability
The repetitive effect on the water comes from the mathematical function generating the ripples. It's something like a sine or cosine. One way to mitigate this, is by adding random noise to the function, another way is by using FFT (fast fourier transformation). FFT basically allows you to recreate the graph of any mathematical function by utilizing an infinite sum of different sines and cosines. By selectively omitting some of these contributing parts, based on the location of the voxel, the repetition can be broken aswell. This should look way nicer than just adding noise.
Lol nerd
or it was just an animated texture and you're seeing it tiling,
i think they said that they didnt add the randomizer yet
@@Celestial_Wing You do know that this is a "space engineers" video, right? This is a weird place to call actual engineering knowledge nerdy.
@@Fotoschiki Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrd!
When I first bought Space Engineers 8 years ago, I never could have imagined that I would spend over a thousand hours in the game, or that I would still be enjoying it nearly a decade later. The current engine has been stretched far beyond what it was initially intended to perform and I am excited to see what keen can do with a modern engine.
I'm hoping they create a new game and wait until it is in good running shape before release. I'm happy to buy it again and this would hopefully get a whole new generation into SE as most younger folks scoff at such an old game.
I really hope they will add more NPC interaction. In this kind of game it would make a huge difference to make the game more 'alive' in my opinion. One thing would be your own crew inside of the ship with some sort of functionality (maintaining the ship/oxygen/repairs or even operating turrets).
Small towns and cities for example. Bigger bases. Some kind of quests and such. More enemies and their bases. Some kind of progress to be felt.
It would be nice if you can clone NPCs or make robots then gave them basic routines.
It would be fun if they can somehow make ship boarding work.
@@LOL-zu1zr They'd have to do something to tie players to a ship so they don't get launched off when it turns or accelerates. This would be a huge and awesome thing in general, not just for boarding.
My main complaint. The game is sterile, empty, devoid of any real life or sense of purpose. Sometimes is feels like Minecraft has more content.
I would gladly pay for SE 2 instead of them updating SE1, but on the other hand I can see the benefits of them releasing it as an update to honor loyal SE fans. In the end though employees need to get paid for all this hard work. Personally am excited with either choice!
Maybe a discount on SE2 for owners of SE1 would be a good middleground.
They get paid when new people buy the game. It would be unfair to make past buyers re-buy the game. Plus it would be confusing for new buyers as to the difference between the two. If I saw a game with the number 2 in it, I would expect it to be a continuation not a replacement. Then I would just be confused as to why there is no story for either.
@shadowwatcher5042 Past players don't need to re buy the game.
Just continue on with SE1.
Space Engineers really isn't that mainstream to depend on newbuyers anyway.
@@TheArled Well I suppose I am not sure as to the reason for SE2. If not mainstream enough then why make it a new game? If its to get money from the fans then that seems unfair to me.
I admit that I skim these updates and I am not exactly sure what the devs intend to do. But it seems like there is new mechanics and playability which are all things I would want in a games update so I would rather the game is an large update rather than a brand new game I have to buy to enjoy.
@@shadowwatcher5042 Considering how this would basically be a whole new game, such an update would be "financial suicide" for Keen Software.
Therefore, I cannot see any of it being an update for SE1.
Considering on how big companies throw half-baked games out (for example the recent Starfield or most EA titles) I'd happily give some of my money to an Indie Studio that cares about its customers/players.
Really looking forward to possible battleship combat, i wonder if they're going to include a water 'thruster' for it.
To mega battle ships duelling would be awesome. A water thruster is a great idea !
They’re called propellers lol
@mazen6446 do you know what a jetski is?
It seems that we all agree that Space Engineers needs a new engine, considering that many of the current features were not initially designed for the old engine.
Personally, I have a few wishes for improvements:
1. **Better Gravitational Simulation:** Imagine planets, moons, and asteroids realistically rotating on their axes and orbiting the sun. This would add a fascinating dynamic to the game.
2. **Improved Structural Integrity of Buildings and Structures:** I would be willing to redesign all my structures and spacecraft from scratch if it means introducing improved structural and building integrity.
3. **Seasons:** With planets moving around the sun, introducing different seasons that affect gameplay would not only be visually appealing but also add tactical considerations to the game.
4. **VR Support:** Given the rise of virtual reality, there should definitely be a focus on complete VR support, including hand tracking and room scale. The idea of controlling switches and spacecraft with hands in the game world is intriguing.
5. **More PVE:** The current world of Space Engineers is essentially empty. While mods can add a lot, not all responsibility for content creation should be placed on the community. In the era of artificial intelligence, it should be possible to introduce AI that generates additional content.
6. **Multiplayer Focus:** In such a vast world, even if it's just one solar system, there is too much space for a single player. A real focus on multiplayer support to accommodate several hundred players per server would be a significant enhancement.
I hope the developers take these suggestions into consideration and make Space Engineers with the Vrage3 Engine an even more captivating experience!
One of the issues that needs to be addressed either in the original SE or in a sequel is a focus on obstacles. Right now in SE the basic obstacle is getting from surface to orbit so you have access to rare minerals. Once you do that, you've effectively won the game. Everything outside of that is self imposed goals and such.
The biggest strength of Space Engineers is that you can do all kinds of things and build many different vehicles with different functions. The biggest weakness is you don't really get tested on anything. I don't expect SE to be a survival game like Empyrion. But as a game focused around engineering it doesn't really put your skills and talents and experience to the test.
One of the biggest let downs was when we had access to these different planets. Unless you start on one, there's little to no reason to visit them. When they should have made the challenge of getting established on your first planet then leaving that planet and landing on another, using the resources unique to the first to do so. Then getting established on the second planet to gather the unique resources there to enable you to land and establish yourself on the next one. Then getting established to finally unlock all materials and work out a way to get back and forth between the different planets having access to all unique materials.
Finally culminating in an engineering project that requires said logistics and engineering from all the established points from prior.
Without that sort of gameplay loop. There's little reason to continue playing once you've built your big mining rig, your crazy wheeled rover base, and your capitol ship. And even all those things you kind of have to force yourself to do them. There's no real ingame reason to do those things.
These are issues SE or SE2 needs to tackle.
Considering that it is a 10 year old game, it does make sense to make the sequel. The problem being is that a lot of the old guard might get irritated. One thing KSH could do is have a sort of loyalty package. For example if you want to buy SE 1+2 it is X dollars but if you already own the first one you get a certain discount. Could go a long way to keeping existing and possibly winning back some old players.
Agreed. It wouldn't make much sense to bring an update to an already old game, but at the same time I'm not seeing anything that would justify releasing an entirely new game that is 90% the exact same content but just with prettier graphics and a modified building system.
@@wumbosaurus9121 i mean if SE2 has better performance handling objects and grids then they can have my money. but if that doesn't improve it doesn't matter if they make a sequel it wouldn't be worth it even with a discount
Steam already automatically does that (with bundles) to some degree iirc they'd just have to make a bundle that's like 35ish$ and it should come out to about 17$
Loving the look of that new skybox, it's far cooler both in style and colour for a space enviroment.
I would love it, if it could be modded into SE1 too.
I am sure that someone will see the post and change the tones but there is also some ones already, that make minor changes to the colours.
Alright so they're getting some pretty elements in. I just hope they keep it at the forefront of their minds that this is space ENGINEERS. I really hope they remember to make all this pretty stuff interactive, reactive and consequential. The prettiest water in gaming means nothing if there's nothing IN the water and nothing to DO with the water. Spectacle is a very fragile means of attracting players. It's mechanics that keep folks coming back. I know we're still early in but it wouldn't be the first time a dev team has been excited about updated visuals and ended up with a rather empty game.
FFT stands for Fast Fourier Transform. Basically a genius math equation that estimates wave formation. It’s so fast that you can layer multiple waves on top of each other to make it look more convincing.
I hope they do something to give the worlds a bit more population like AI astronauts and/or land vehicles
I think if they make it so that SE1 content can be imported into SE2 it would go along way to win over those that are on the fence.
Yes definitely. At least a converter that can copy blueprints is needed.
(Although modders could also do that)
Mods won't be compatible because VRage2 is a mess at some places and modders used that mess. Now if that mess is gone (hopefully) in VRage3 the mods need to be changed as well
@@mz00956 and a full proper modding api with access to everything as that would open the door for so many new modding options one of the biggest things that would get modders to hop over would be not needing to do hacky work arounds or sacrifice features they intended (see contracts in the ares at war scenario) because keen kept some door locked
Space Engineers is a sandbox game with no ending...It's a lovely game that will most likely live on for quite some time. They should release a new game with all updated software. I'm looking forward to newer complex graphics and building blocks. Or maybe the ability to create monitors with real time feeds? I absolutely LOVE the ability to program within the game!
On the anniversary stream, Marek Rosa confirmed that they will be new version.
And even announced that there will be no split on Large small grid, but unified 25cm grid.
YESSS
Wait, when you say a unified 25cm grid, are saying all blocks will be based on a 25cm grid, or is that to say that the existing large and small blocks will simply be compatible with one another?
@@blitz8425 all blocks will be based on 25cm grid and will connect to each other.
It is announcement for SE2 so existing blocks doesn't matter
@@snook631 interesting. I thought I heard awhile back that they were basically just going to leave the existing blocks and merge the grids, so that you could place what are now small blocks on large blocks and vice versa. Where'd you hear that?
On the stream for 10th anniversary, but they confirm only the unified grid, there were no info for the blocks @@blitz8425
My concern with SE2 is that they will add to many performance intensive features so that it will just end up being SE again with a couple new features and no real performance increase. Still very intrigued by it regardless so here's to hoping they pull through.
Hopefully with the new engine, it can actually handle these features and run well
I mean, tech has progressed immensely since SE1, plus I think it's beyond clear not even they knew fully where this game was gonna go.
Plus if we actually followed the game, there is A METRIC BOATLOAD of stuff they did after the fact, which the engine simply wasn't meant to handle in the first place.
Only so much they can do when the literal heart of the beast wasn't quite made to handle not only what they figured they wanted to do after the fact, but what the community asked for on top of that!
This stuff ain't magic 😂
i mean thats just the normal programming cycle
i still hope terraforming can happen in space engineers at some point especially for survival. leveling out terrain, trees and bushes and maybe even water would be heaps cool to really shape out our desired landscape
imagine if they'll made it posibble to harvest the clouds😮
I know the animated video you have seen :]
now that's a plane server theme right there@@LastStandGamers
Heck why just stop at harvesting clouds, why not harvest everything (solids,liquids,gases)
which video?@@LastStandGamers
@@LastStandGamers what video?🤨
I am so happy we're going to get a Space Engineers 2 with so many new features!
A much stronger, more optimized engine means you can go far more crazy with ship design! And with water being a widely available resource, we can either turn it into gases or get hydro-electric dams going.
And GAS GIANTS, I so badly want gas giants! The deeper you go, the more dangerous, but also scrambles sensors, so easy to hide.
I look forward to the possibility of lava planets, ocean planets (which you could maybe build submarine vehicles for?), and gas planets like Bespin from star wars (where cloud city was in episode 5).
Can’t wait for an SE2, the Original was the 1 game that pulled me from console to PC, perfectly scratches that creative itch but after 500+ hours ( i know this is not that much compared to others ) I am a little bit burned out on it. Except for a the physics updates i hope that they are going to give us a lot more decorative blocks and block shapes to make even more detailed ships and structures.
I love this game and I’m so exited to see it come out!
Awesome is there a feature your looking forward to ?
@@LastStandGamers I haven’t seen a lot of new features I’m just really excited I’m play this game a lot with my friends and my uncle
A minor nitpick: Jan's name is actually pronounced "Yan". Other than that I am exited to see what SE 2 has in store!
I'm so excited for Space Engineers 2. I agree there is no way you would do all this development and add it to the existing game, its not like it could be a DLC! New engine = new game. I must brace myself for the fact that it is clearly years away from being released, but that doesn't mean I don't want every snippet of information to ride that hype rocket :D
Keep up the good work LastStand, I enjoy your content and I hope Keen appreciate how much more community engagement they get with someone like you making their long, dry, technical presentations into a short and entertaining video.
I’m excited at the prospect of a game using realistic radar systems.
I wonder if ship size and shape will affect radar returns?
When FFT comes up with regards to water, it means the Fast Fourier Transform, which is a collection of formulas and algorithms that allow you to decompose any arbitrary waveform into a series of sine waves and vice versa. The upshot is that it allows for extremely realistic-looking water waves and very high performance! Sea of Thieves uses FFT and some post-processing to make their water waves, so depending on the implementation, we might be able to expect something like that in SE2! Very exciting!
A user by the name of Acerola also has some good TH-cam videos on wave simulation in games and their second video notably uses FFT to achieve waves quite similar to Sea of Thieves'.
I can’t wait space engineers 1 was absolutely amazing so seeing it idk how to word it modern? Idk SE2 is just gonna be hype
I find it funny how folk think one can just, um, "inject?" a new engine into the game.
That's literally not how it works. It's not like an API. It the literal heart and framework of the beast.
Plus, they already said that's not how it works, nor happening in one of their presentations a month ago lol.
This is for the next game. No questions asked.
Might I also say, it looks like they're seriously pouring on the steam.
Those presentations had me feeling like they were FIRMLY in the concept stages, while getting the engine ticking. This looks like they have quite a bit more dialed in than they led on, or had some breakthroughs quite recently.
I'm excited
FFT means Fast Fourier Transform. its a way of decomposing noise into various frequency spikes and can be use to make water waves
Thank you for the easy to understand, information about SE 2
Glad it was helpful!
This shouldn't be an update but rather a new game for $70 USD, Keen has worked so hard for this and most of everything has been free the past few years. Unlike other triple A games and studios, Keen is really passionate about their game making, not money making. It's about time that they get a really fat paycheck.
Space engineers is a game that brought me a ton of joy over the years (not even with playing the game, but even watching it.) I'd love to see it continued, or even a second come out. I agree with your statement on the way they handle it "making or braking their next release". The team definitely needs to take in the communities thoughts before making a decision.
Migrating the existing Space Engineers to VRage3 is simply not a financially viable option. The new engine has obviously already cost a hefty sum of money and more of it will be invested into it. If VRage3 is going to be used in *a* Space Engineers game then that game must be a "Space Engineers 2", made, offered, and sold separately from the current Space Engineers. Clean break. It makes also technical sense but mostly you simply can not do otherwise because of money. Now, that said, nothing forbids you from being clever about it. For example, you could offer that "Space Engineers 2" as an early access game with the additional incentive that if you own the current Space Engineers game you get an extra discount, or some other good bonus thing. Then, I think, it should work nicely with most of the already existing player community.
In an ideal world, I'd like to see them release space engineers 2, drop the price on space engineers, and then after say 2 years when sales have dropped right off make it open source so that the modders can go wild with it.
I would gladly buy se2 as a new standalone game. I purchased the original game back in 2013 for less than $10, and have happily purchased every dlc. This has been my goto game for over 6000 hrs, so money well spent i say.
As the current game is at its limit I’m not sure focusing on SE1 is a good use of time vs a much better engine, that said there is obviously still more to be ironed out in SE1 it’s a bit of a catch 22.
SE is 10 years old and has supported as long.
Anyone being mad about development in it being dropped in favor of a successor after such a long time would be delusional
I think they should drop all the Medieval Engineers assets in to the new SE. Adding some good stone and wood assets for those who want a more rurual feel to say, a space colony, and would look great with my "Colonial Farms" world I'm building. And I KNOW one of you psychos (myself included) would think it funnier than hell to peg a drone or battleship with a catapult
I am very faithful that performance will improve. Keen is one of the few gamestudios that actually managed to properly utilize old AMD GCN GPUs by making proper use of compute shaders, which requires quite a bit of programming skill. Utilizing that and DX12 will propably alleviate the CPU bottleneck by a lot. IMO the most critical aspect is managing to have the simulation aspects of the game scale well with CPU core count, which is a huge technical challenge.
Keen already made it very clear in their original VRAGE3 announcement live stream. The current Space Engineers will not get this. It is impossible to convert such a large game to a new engine. They will have to start from scratch with a potential Space Engineers 2.
I don't think people would be terribly upset about a new SE game (SE2). Especially if the changes/differences are vastly superior and not possible as an SE1 update. That's not to say there won't be people upset about their ship designs needing to be redone, or having to pay more money to play basically the same game. Perhaps Keen could discount SE2 if you have had SE1 for a certain period of time, or have spent X amount of dollars or hours on SE1 (or some combination of these). I do think, no matter what Keen does, they need to find a way to expand their player base, without ruining the game for those who currently play. Maybe official race leagues, PVP fleet battles, an expanded universe with tens or hundreds of planets, cities, space stations. It seems the "economy" aspect has been easily implemented and could be easily improved on. No matter what, I love this game and can't wait for whatever new developments come along. They've done a wonderful job in adding new content, without costing fortunes or ruining aspects of the game to the average player. SE is why I will never play WoT again.
I doubt keen will stop mid run on the development to the processor of their flagship game. I’m excited to see what the make for SE2
I'd have no problem purchasing a new spengies game for their efforts. I heard something about a proper end-game update for spengies 1 and if true, that seems appropriate as a wrap up for the game. I see no problem with a developer moving on from past works on generally completed games to new opportunities...
Now having an end game update would be a great idea to tie up as many lose ends as possible.
In my opinion, with those technical improvements they have all the rights to sell it as a sequel. And judging from the community [I know], pretty much everyone would be willing to pay for that.
Real ones will remember the OG skybox with asteroids
I belive with water they should add a new IMyDefinitionId "Fluids" like they have with "Components","Ingots" and "Ores". This way there is a possibility to mod custom fluids
I don't see any way a 'VRage 3 update' for Space Engineers would work.
We know that VRage 3 is a fundamentally different engine from VRage 2 with very little of VRage 2's code being carried forward.
It is made to achieve the same results as VRage 2, and more, but it's a complete rewrite, it isn't the same engine in any way other than spirit.
You don't just swap a game to a completely seperate engine, it doesn't work like that.
If they were to attempt a 'VRage 3 update' for current Space Engineers, they would likely have to rebuild most of the game from scratch in VRage 3, and at that point, why would they not just make a full sequel?
If VRage 3 is used for 'Space Engineers', it will be for a sequel, not an update.
If you're reading this and are expecting a 'VRage 3 update', don't dissapoint yourself.
Well said, I too would be extremely surprised if it was an update but the lack of any road map from keen and the method dip feeding DLC has community members unsure and waiting for performance based issues to improve.
@@LastStandGamersYeah, I do wish they were more clear on what their plans are, I understand wanting to keep surprises hidden, but I've always appreciated a more open style of development.
In regards to the current drip-feed of DLC, I see it as a way of keeping some form of revenue flowing while they build towards their next release rather than any indication of intent to continue development of the current Space Engineers game in perpetuity.
They still need money to continue their work, and it seems their current DLC model is serving that need well enough, and cosmetic alt-versions of existing blocks are easy to pump out relatively quickly.
In terms of a Space Engineers sequel, I would hope they would carry forward most, if not all, of their content from the first game and build upon it.
I think it would be disappointing to have all of the work done on updates and DLCs made for Space Engineers to be left behind for a sequel.
The idea of swapping out the engines does make me feel like older builds have a risk of being void. Not just builds either, but environments people have crafted with voxel editing. If true, then that would likely annihilate everyone's lifetime efforts in the game, there's no guarantee of blueprint compatibility. This gives me Overwatch/1/2 CSGO/CS2 vibes where a previous game was fully killed off. But doing it in a creative game cannot be allowed to happen. I'd presume Keen knows this and to retain the old experience for people that want it, making a spengies 2 is the right move...
It's pretty exciting to think of engineering some water pumps to feed into cooling some reactors, which are in turn releasing a huge plume of smoke, and it would be great if in turn that generates some specific clouds in the area. Probably would be a waste of effort to carry that into the next step of rain.
Maybe that could make for a more alive world, but I think the novelty of that is limited. My interest in the environmental beauty is still pretty small compared to the gameplay side. I still most hope for more "purpose" in building.
I'm excited for SE2's development and look forward to when SE1 will be considered "outdated" compared to what we'll get in SE2
From a friend that mods se1 a lot of limitations and problems are tied to its single thread usage, and realy hyped for se2 as if its multi threaded and done right it would solve almost every problem se1 has
Given the release of Counter Strike 2, the possibility of releasing VRage 3 as an update to SE 1 isn't off the table, expecially since SE has a *huge* modding scene that would benefit from an easier migration.
However, Keen is obviously nowhere near the position of Valve to be able to not release this as a paid sequel (which I'm fine with) and there would be a lot of baggage if it did actually have to be backwards compatible to a massive extent. If the modding tools are better than SEs then modders will probably be happy to move on
i paid less than 20 bucks to get space engineers and i have gotten all of the dlc just becuase i like the game so much and even this many years later. i wouldnt mind once again paying for space engineers 2 if again they priced it at around $20 to $40.
I cant wait for a space engineers 2. I remember back when losing xp support outraged people
My dream would become true. Space engineers 2, I am so excited, beautiful voxels, true lights and WATER !!!
Keen, tell us that solar system and domes will be part of the game, I sign now.
FFT means Fast Fourier (four-EE-ay) Transform, a way to break a wave up into a bunch of more simple waves.
It'll definitely not be an update to SE1. You simply can't just update a game to an entirely new engine. What I'm hoping is they make an SE2 to the standard of the latest version of SE and then offer anyone who owned SE1 since the early days (or even who own all the DLC) a free copy of SE2.
First of all. The descision is already made. This at least explains why SE1 is on sale all the time, even their DLCs. Pricing politics were often quiete questionable but leading as well...
Directionwise I would like to see Vrage3 implemented into SE 1 though. This is foremost because the changes arn't that huge unfortunately thus not vindicating another fee...
They should definetly release it as a new game. They obviously put so much work and love into it, they deserve to be paid for it!
I wish every game I play had as passionate of a developer team as space engineers. I'm still mad at the expensive unplayable downgrade of a wet fart that is KSP 2.
dude, if you could get a battleship or carrier to be able to go submersible in the deep ocean, that might be pretty damn awesome to get a sneak attack on someone, or perhaps to escape someone as well. I can visually see that, coming out of the ocean, and then going guns blazing on a sneak attack. that would be pretty dang cool.
Space Engineers 1 was a tech demo that some people see as a game. There is a monumental amount of issues that are core to the game that prevent it from being more than it is, such as an abysmal UI and relying on people watching tons of TH-cam videos to figure it out or play with those that have been playing for a while. Personally, I feel like the only way forward was a sequel and I'm looking forward to seeing if they learned from their mistakes.
this looks incredibly good i am so excited
What are looking forward to the most ?
@LastStandGamers definitely the new more complex enviroments like the boulder stuff or water in general, just make exploration feel that much rewarding with stunning vistas, even more so than SE1 already does, a huge part of the game for me.
I bet the community would react positively if they include ALL DLC from SE1 into base game SE2. Keep every decoration and concept and have the base game be loaded while you enjoy the new engine they are building. With that said, there is SO much footage and talk about voxel planet stuff.. Wheres the building tools? UI concepts? Any building blocks? Blocks interacting with water/clouds? Looks like an update for SE1's engine and keeping all SE1 assets/models/blocks/ui.. ect. imo
Warthunder has gone through like 5 engines now, it’s more than possible considering how it’s not actually changing any real fundamentals about the physics (speed, planet size, etc) it’s more or less just adding on to the existing design in all branches other than rendering (SE has redone its rendering before)
I don’t want SE to switch to the free to play model though.
@@MelvinGundlach I don’t want it to either, just highlighting how engine changes can be made without ground up reworks
That comparison makes zero sense.
WarThunder makes millions and is a completely different form of game
@@NinoJoel space engineers is popular for a niche game and no duh they are different
@@u.n.reviews7359 it's popular but not even a tiny bit close to the figures WarThunder has.
WarThunder is also way way way simpler in terms of coding work.
Which is wy it is simpler to change engines when the content in the game is not as complex.
holy shit this is my first time seeing this it looks amazing
Honestly. I am pretty sure it's Space Engineers 2 and I hope it is SE2. In my opinion, if they stopped working on major updates right now for SE1, I would be fine, maybe they could at least fix some of the performance issues.
FFT probably refers to the fast fourier transform. its an efficient algorithm for turning a time domain discrete data sequence into a frequency domain one. The inverse of this algorithm is used among many other things as a fast way to generate detailed oceans. Acerola has a good video on it.
that canyon... oh lord that canyon. In my almost 5000 hours in game I never thought I would see a planet that could look like that.
They'll definitely go in the direction of releasing a second game rather than an update.
I just really hope they take their time on this. I don't want a repeat of every other game this year, releasing poorly tested, badly optimised, and often completely borked.
I also hope they don't pull a KSP2.
SE1 has had plenty of focused development over the last decade. Keen moving onto SE2 honestly should have happened a long time ago but regardless it's what should happen now. SE1 was a pretty Frankenstein of a game as it is, SE2 would allow Keen to walk into development with a clearer vision and broader scope.
Yeah i agree, Keen has shown a pretty clear goal about the game they're trying to make. One thing i would like to see, is more of a focus on dynamic encounters and perhaps new mission types exploration/mining/salvage/combat ALA elite dangerous.
The biggest problem they will be facing now is the enormous mismatch between the environment and the players’ building process. The interior and exterior curve of a cylinder should be accomplished with one plate(with variable 10cm increment wall thickness) but span the same distance as the old block. Then the saved volume inside the cylinder from plates usage can be utilized by blocks, plates, or components snapping to increments of 10cm.
Somebody's gotta pay the bills for all these enhancements, a whole new engine. I get it. If its a new game, I only want backwards compatibility with blueprints and mods.
Blueprints are probably going to be eazy peazy, as long as the old block pallet is retained. Mods: no. Not possible. Simply because VRAGE2s codebase is said to be a mess, and a completely different codebase whole Subsystems will be modified, and you just can't access them the same at that point
@@the_miro8303I've written some mods, and modified other people's mods for my own private use. As long as they don't rename any classes or entity names, and maintain the same unit scale / dimensions, it's absolutely possible. Mods are just XML files.
I'm all for a new SE game...I'll buy it and play it in a heartbeat. But I'd love to see the talent and effort go into updating the current SE game to have a lot more immersion...the vanilla tools and mods they could adopt into being vanilla could allow multiplayer servers to have actual Role Play/Immersion with fully custom starts, quests (so to speak), Multi-Faction efforts like breaking through a tough AI barrier with access to key ores, etc.
I don't want Keen to do this as an update. I want them to release this as a new game because they need to earn money from the work they've put into it. I have absolutely no problem at all handing over $40 for SE2 so long as all the DLC I've previously bought has their counterparts included in SE2.
It would be unfathomable for them to release a new game with new code, new assets, and a new engine as an update. I would expect them to release a new game and support it, SE1 being maintained with occasional bug fixes and performance updates.
What I want to see from SE2 are vast performance increases for larger mobile grids, terrain modifications, procedural star systems, ability to make and use VTOL engines without learning how to code and built in. But more than anything else I want a proper economic simulation with AI that dock to my stations and buy stuff. The economy update in SC1 was such a letdown..
Great video and thanks for the continued updates for us! Now for the sky box I maybe be in the minority but I would prefer the Greenish one. To me that gives it an alien feel like I am exploring something that is different then what we see here. Of course there are always mods and I hope Keen has default options.
There's no way this is a free update, which means there's no way this is *just* an update. I honestly think it's entitlement on the part of people saying it might be, because there are quieter ways Keen could [self-delete].
But as far as support for SE1: I'd want to see deco blocks for half blocks, and more blocks that are the same on opposite sides (internal walls are a PitA when passages are your only option).
I'm pretty apprehensive about what they're gonna ask for the game, while I am excited to see SE2, I won't be as excited if the price tag for it would be €60 or even €70, if they stop development on SE1, which I would totally understand, I'd at least hope they give the owners of SE1 a discount on SE2.
Ksp2, cities skylines2, both basically just cash grabs that dont improve much if anything at all. But here Keen actually want to improve their engine so they can make an even better game
my bet is they are absolutely going to be rereleasing. the engine changes are more than "better physics and rendering update". they are core changes that require a total rework. if it were to be an update then you'd have an issue with existing content and compatability. not to mention the number of players that would want a "legacy version" creating more issues (just look at how people act with minecraft modding and its updates). how they go about it is unclear but it is no trivial task to just up and swap engine and in this case it is easier to just rebuild, porting elements and assets as needed. i reckon they will release it as a new game and either retire SE(1) or maintain it in parallel for bug fixes and smaller feature parity (such as block variants/upgrades). more likely the former.
Thank you for atleast towards the end advising that at no point have Keen said they were working on SE2 as every announcement and showcase is just showing their new engine Vrage3 using their own assets within which may be why people think its a game and not just an engine. For all we know, their next game when they actually start making it and not just building the engine may not even be Space engineers 2 it may not even be a sandbox builder as this engine could be used for even a star citizen style game with premade ships/structures.
If there will be a Space Engineers 2, I will pay whatever they want. In my opinion, SE is the best game ever. And keen deserves it. I believe if they announce SE2 while still updating the old one until the new version is released, everything will be fine. However, there needs to be more than just water and graphics updates. This could lead to disappointment only. They have to fix the major issues and build this game from the ground up with a focus on multiplayer and performance. As every server owner knows, you need a ton of extra tools and plugins to keep your servers running and fix things that shouldn't exist. But don't get me wrong. Everything else, like modding and the API, and the opportunities that have arisen from them, are brilliant. This game is almost perfect
indeed
i would legit play Space Engineers 2 if it is coming out in a couple yrs it will prolly have more relaxing & unique graphics or iG Vrage3 in my POV.
the environement looks cool, can't wait to see what's up with the blocks and the build system.
i hope we get something more fresh than the usual armor blocks. i really, really liked the concept of click and drag that Starship Evo made. its much nicer looking and far more open to creativity than the clangomancy you have to pull up to mix large and small armor blocks, just to have sloped armor or anyhting else nice looking, thus unusable in any game mode outside sandbox.
So yeah, i hope all the innovations aren't just on the voxel (which are really cool ngl)
I'm 100% onboard with a Space Engineers 2 if the following occurs:
• Water and weather on planets with the associated physics necessary to make both surface and submersible water vehicles.
• More granular and realistic survival model, including but not limited to food, illnesses, and hygiene.
• More extensive flora and fauna, including but not limited to multiple planet side species, and xenomorph like "critters" randomly spawned on asteroids.
• Better block textures, in particular, the ability to texture one side of a block independently from other sides.
• Alien NPC factions with associated character models that will actively attempt to board your ships and bases, which you'll need to defend against.
• Civilian NPC factions, as well with character models, that will visit your trade station to buy, sell, or trade with players, so as to create a genuine dynamic economy.
Other things I wish for...
• Farming of plants and trees, along with the ability to replant anything harvested via seeds.
• A wide variety of clothing and space suits.
• Prebuilt or player created fully functional interior modules such as a medical room, engineering space, cockpit, or berthing area that would fit in something like a 1x3x5 void between blocks, which a player can use to fill out the interior of ships with high detail surfaces.
• Peer-to-peer server interconnectivity, so two or more SE2 players hosting dedicated servers with the exact same mod configuration can easily link their servers together allowing players the ability to traverse from one server to another.
• NPC crew members who can man turrets, conduct repairs, and carry out menial tasks.
• A programmable block that uses a node-based programming system.
• A modern voip system that allows communication with people in your area, personal communications with any other player, as well as "1MC" communications on your ship or base, and communications with others in your faction.
I hope we get planets that are like earth, in regards to the water stuff, being the water covers more of the surface than the land itself. could be super fun and change up how people play.
The biggest fix I want is you can include subgrids in projections and vastly increase or remove the vanilla warhead limit.
I have almost a thousand hours of playtime in Space Engineers, so for me at least the money i paid for it were well spent. While I would consider the game to still not be "finished", I wouldn't feel like Keen abandoned it like they've done with their other projects. There is a limit to how much development time can be spent on a game, and they have spent a LOT of it working on it all these years. At some point they simply have to stop and move on, there's no getting around that if we want to see them continue existing as a game developer.
Maybe it helps that I never saw SE as a true "game", per se, but more like an engineering sandbox, so was prepared for it to end long ago.
Id like to see this up for people to play in once they have the ability to interact with these environments on a SE like scale, even if its only creative like gameplay with a very limited selection of assets to use. Think Minecraft when it was Infdev-Alpha-Beta-Current. If they go the CS route where CS GO Ceased to exist for CS2, then cool. I would at least like to see then an opt in beta so that the engine can be playtested with feeback in real time as they make more progress on the engine.
Giving people access to the engine can help convey some of the effort they put into making this technology, rather than waiting weeks for updates that only give us a handful of shots and gifs to look at. The combination of help from the community feedback and a solid track record of what the engines updates have been when you release updates to a platform like steam can make the process more consumer involved.
This would also help improve the image of the developers, since progress wouldnt have to be large milestones with many things to show. Whenever an update would come out, no matter how small, the developers would seem much more active from an outward looking inward appearance. Of course, developing a game engine is far beyond what most consider to be complicated, so we know theyre working hard whether we see it or not. It would just be nice to see progress as it happens, rather than in chunks.
By FFT, I believe they are talking about a fast Fourier transform which is a mathematical tool used to break down a signal into a bunch of different component signals.
Im not exactly sure how they plan to use it, but my expectation is that they will treat the water as a waveform and have individual components given different weights at different locations, thus yielding a more varied surface. Just a guess though, i dont know anything about video game design.
already looks very real
honestly, if I have to buy SE2 I want my blueprints to transfer over. do we have any guess of how much it's going to cost if nothing at all?
Wait... How did I not heard of this before?! H*** YEAH! SPACE TWO PEOPLE
What I would see as a fitting send off for the SE1 would be an update that had the last of the old blocks that have not had an update in years redone in the newer style they are going with. And honestly I think if it would be a fitting to also release all the DLC blocks for everyone if they gave those of use to did buy the DLC some sort of discount on the SE2.
Honestly, the biggest bottleneck / hurdle of current space engineers is the performance and lag in large multiplayer ( and even single player ) worlds. You can get away with small groups of players, with a lot of restrictions and limitations - but even that's a hit and miss, and there's a huge amount of wasted potential as a result. SE2 can be made to look as good as Star Citizen, but it would all be pointless due to the nature of the game if it compromises on performance. The current level of optimisation and performance is, honestly, the bare minimum of what SE2 to be worthwhile.
What i think about the black skybox is. It is time for mods ^^ It just looks like every other skybox now. SE had Character before. It made it special. but those damn casual players have always something to complain, dont they. At Space Engeneers the last thing i care is Visuals. The building part is what makes the game great. but if they focus on Visuals now, i think the Franchise is gonne to die when SE2 launches. IT wont be able to keep up to the original if they go that way.