Colt 1860 army (a civilwar Veteran Needing a little work)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2024
- My Christmas gift this year was this colt 1860 army. That we believed was blown up during the Civil War. only info on it is that It's serial number range might have put it with the 22nd Pennsylvania volunteer Calvary.
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I can't wait to see the old girl run again . Man, I love that blown cylinder. It's so cool to see how they really did blow from the cylinder notch where it is the thinnest.
I agree its so interesting. Plus the stories this gun could tell. Also looks really cool on a shelf
Those barrel obstructions can really cause some problems. Cant wait to see it fire.
Yeah they can. I just wish i could know the story of this revolver. I cant wait to see this old girl shoot again myself.
@@snappers_antique_firearms well it sounds like you got a solid game plan on how to make that happen!
@@Everythingblackpowder yeah i hope so. It will work or it will look like a idiot attacked it with a dull beaver. Either way it'll look exactly like I did it.
That is the greatest Christmas present a wife could give her husband. That is awesome and thanks for sharing.
Yeah trust me i am lucky to have her. She bought me about half of my guns threw the years.
@@snappers_antique_firearms that's awesome, my wife is also responsible for quite a few of mine too.
@@blackpowderfirearmenthusia3194 sounds like you have a great wife as well.
That’s crazy
Hey slicksixguns hope you had a great Christmas
@@snappers_antique_firearms I did, power went out but we did okay
@@SlickSixguns thats not a great time to lose power. Hope it wasn't for to long.
But personally i would rather be in Texas with no power then in Vegas with power any day.
You got your self a challenging project, will be rewarding when done. 1860 army has always been my favorite. Good luck !
Thank you
I would love to see more videos of the cleaning/restoration process. Make sure to film it!
I definitely will. it might be a while before I can really put my full focus into this gun. but I definitely will record it
Ohh nice, apart from the cylinder it looks great👍
My best advice would be to shop for another 1860 sold for parts and get it if the barrel is salvageable.
That has been a thought as well. Sad part is even 1860 parts guns are way over priced these days. But if one ever ever does show up.. Thanks for your thoughts and comment
Great work
Thank you and welcome to the channel
Very nice looking forward to seeing more of this one congrats buddy
I really need to look for an original myself. I'm a fan of the 1851 but I would tolerate an 1860 too!
I would love to see you get a original. But be careful its a slippery slope. One min you will say i only need 1 or 2. next you will be living in a cardboard box eating out of a dumpster...but you will have a nice collection of original colts.😁 truthfully tho they are great investments and the 51 navy 60 army or 49 pocket are great first original colts. There pricey but not stupid pricey like some Colts. Single action armys are great to. but have risen in value a lot in the last several years.
@@snappers_antique_firearms I have already slid down the firearms slope, just not the original Colt slope, yet.
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview i really hope you find one. If you need any help or questions on any colt you are looking to might buy i would be glade to help. I really like the 2nd gen navy you have. I have been wanting a 2nd gen to compare to a original. Many say the 2nd gens are as good if not better. To me my favorite thing about the originals is the history they lived threw. The battles they could have seen or could have accompanied some Pioneer traveling across the country.
@@snappers_antique_firearms I agree. My 2nd Gen has probably only seen the inside of a safe or a closet somewhere. No really cool history with it. I look at them from time to time on gunbroker but I prefer to handle them in person, get a feel of the wear. A picture may say a thousand words but it can also hide the truth. There's a couple gun shows coming up in January, I'm going to keep my eyes peeled. (I'm not the biggest fan of gun shows)
@@SmallCaliberArmsReview I do buy guns off GunBroker from time to time. I always assume that they're going to need a little work. I work on all my guns and i usually look for guns that have issues. you can get them for a lot less money. But if its a rare or very expensive gun I would never buy unless seeing it in person. Modern gun shows have become garbage. My favorite one tho is the las vegas antique arm show. Its like being at the cody Firearms Museum but everything for sale
awesome video sgt snapper.
Hey msgt hope you had a good Christmas. I still plan on coming and seeing you one of these days. My father passed as well. I have been threw your area a few times bit always very late at night.
I would take the easy route. I'd put the blown out cylinder back on it and make a display case for it. LOL.
Truthfully i completely understand that. I thought the same at first. This revolver has a story and its a very important one.
The original cylinder will stay with it. I put all my guns in displays and the story will live on of what happened to it through its cylinder. The barrel was just cracked under that brazed repair. And extremely hard to see so I figured I would just fix the barrel and shoot it with the replacement cylinder
very very cool Snapper. gpad that it found its way into your capable hands
Thanks gray. I am very happy to finally have a original. My very first cap and ball was a pietta 1860. Loved that gun and am a big fan of the 1860
btw that camera you showed is a Brownie Hawk-eye. I know because I had one. I still have its grandfather; the very first Eastman made for "film" not glass slide. I used to collect camera equipment..
Yeah. Thats my brand new digital high definition action camera 😁. it was at a antique store for ten bucks so I bought it. I've been doing some research on it. they still make the film that goes into it. I've been wanting to use it to take pictures just for fun. I do need to clean the lens first
mine belonged to a great aunt who took a trip by railroad across te west in 1929 and took a host of pics with it.
oh wow mate, what amazing brilliant history .... Australia is a damn fine country to live in and I love it here but our guns laws, well, they make it a bit tough for the law abiding, hence I always enjoy your vids but get a wee bit jealous too cobber .. cheers, love it
Looking at and everything i have learned about Australia it seems like the Southern hemispheres Wild West and it's a shame that the laws they have on guns there
I have an 1860 which looks very much like this one, but without any damage, it does have an odd cylinder number though, I heard that this was due to troopers cleaning their Colts and drying them around the campfire, when they re assembled them they did not always get the matching numbers, it was just a tool to them, I think you would be better holding the barrel in the 4 jaw chuck and boring it right through, then push in a liner, that way it would be usable again with no join problems, the original cylinder would be perfectly OK while the gun was on display. Chris B.
Thanks for stopping by. I really think the barrel would work perfect with just putting in a liner. But the main reason i want to remove all that area is the brazing. With the brass color it stands out as a repair. I want to try and make the barrel look as if it never blew up and hide all the work.
I am sure there are many reasons why they might have miss matched cylinders. But What you said would probably be the largest reason. Kind of reminds me of the SAAs that were cut down to the 5 1/2 inch barrels. The armours threw all the parts in bens and when they put them back together. they just graded parts out of the bens. They are all miss matched.
Restored several weapons for a university museum back in 1975. Dozens of percussion revolvers and single shots both flint and cap ignition. Lots of cartridge weapons as well. Shotguns, rifles, and carbine too. I spent 4 months at the museum's workshop, with my own tools. Was paid well I suppose, but in hindsight, it worked out to be around $ 0.95 an hour! And that "smell" you spoke of? Yeah, old musty odor everywhere.
That repair on you barrel, was obviously not done by a professional gunsmith of the period. I suspect it was performed by a blacksmith of modest skills of the era.
Your thoughts of machining the old repair out and replacing it with a milled and turned "cap" has merrit. Further, boring the newly repaired barrel, and utilizing a liner appears to be a sound choice.
Best of luck with this endeavor. I'll be interested in the progress.
Wade
Now that would sounds like a job i would really enjoy. Lol $ 0.95 a hour that reminds me of the first 3 years when i started my old company. I agree definitely a blacksmith would make sense. Thanks for your thoughts on my repair. Seems to me the best way to repair it. Hopefully if done Right it will look as if the outside was never touched or blew up....or it will look like a idiot attacked it with a dull beaver.
wow, fascinating story .. 1975 I think I was getting paid about $200 per fortnight flat, then about $100-120 shift allowance and OT on top of that, seems laughable now, was pretty good money in the day ...
Yup, I was among three gunsmiths interviewed for the restoration project by the university. I was selected by virtue of being a historian and specializing in older weapons. The job was simply funded with a flat one time payment. I suppose that it could have been rushed along with minium work, but I took pride in my work, and gave each weapon my full attention. They weren't interested in being fully functional, but making things more cosmetically appealing. It was an interesting job. I manufactured many parts for those missing them.
@@anangryrangerthat still sounds like a incredible job. I love the fact you said you didnt rush and gave each gun the respect it deserves. Glade to have you hear wade. I do this as more of a hobby. I would love to hear any inputs from you on this or any future videos.
@@snappers_antique_firearms Well sir, I'm subscribed to the channel, and enjoy watching. I add a comment now and then, however, at your request, I'll be sure to chime in on things that I have knowledge on. At 72, you can bet that I'm old school. As is my training.😁
Such a beauty. The Brownie camera is not bad either. Lol
I found they still make film that fits this camera. Its black and white. I want to make a video on the camera and take some pics
@@snappers_antique_firearms I have one that I turned into a wet plate camera. It was my first one when I started making tintypes. I keep it but now have dedicated cameras made for making tintypes and ambrotypes.
@@JWheeler331 😳 you...can make tin types. I have always wanted to get a picture done on a tin type
@@snappers_antique_firearms Yes. I did it for a couple years. I still have all the equipment but haven’t actually made one in a little over a year. I had an enclosed trailer that I turned into a mobile dark room.
@@JWheeler331 if i ever get lucky meet you in person. I will begging to do a tin type. Keep up the great work brother
I’d keep it ugly and have the inside of the barrel bored out and relined
This is way cool!! I was bidding against you. Glad to see that it went to a good home.
No way! Really 😄🤠 well technically you're bidding against my wife. I placed a few then wife told me dont buy it. Then she snuck off and bought it for Christmas
She's a keeper!! And the Colt.@@snappers_antique_firearms
@@mickcook3924 lol yeah i feel like i got very luck...with the colt as well
I have a 1860 rep ASM traditions my frame is junk rest is good shape
I miss ASM that was a pretty good company I think they did good work. A Shame they went out of business. I have a walker from them.
If you repair it like you explained what you have in mind, PLEASE make a video on the repair work, not just once it is finished but during the repair itself. I'm sure a lot of us would love to watch it.
Well I am sorry to inform you that I fixed the barrel a few months ago. I never recorded it i was trying to focus on not messing up. But it came out great. can't even tell it was ever worked on. Even has the gain twist rifling.
So, the pressing question in my mind; does the cylinder arbor bottom out inside the barrel and thus determine the cylinder-to-barrel gap? That may be hard to answer definitively without the original cylinder, but inquiring minds want to know. All the Piettas are set up that way, and all the Ubertis will bind the barrel against the cylinder if the wedge is pushed in hard.
Thats a great question. I personally have never had that problem on any of my original colts. Only original colt i saw that had this problem had a new arbor that was fitted wrong. But when i used to own replicas i did notice that on some there Arbors were too short. Thanks
@@snappers_antique_firearms Thanks for the reply. Thumbs up. That's good to know. I've heard if from another owner of originals, and this just further verifies it. I've often said that if Sam Colt didn't design it that way, he should have. I've run into MANY a Uberti owner who will tell anyone willing to listen that the wedge, and its insertion depth, is what properly determines the cylinder gap, and it's all about that wedge and so on and so forth.
@@omnivore2220 yeah i have been told that is what some people believe. But no matter how hard you drive the wedge in. it will not bind up the gun. And this is true for every colt i own. I have learned that quite a bit of the things you hear about colts even up to the Single Action Army is not true.
'They' were shooting with smokeless powder, and 'they' got away with it a few times. The lead on cylinder walls....don't get that with loading or using blackpowder...
That sure is a possibility. There Is a area in the barrel that's ballooned right in front of the Crack. Looks to me like it was a squibload. But it wouldn't shock me if it was by smokeless powder Instead. Or a combination of both. I have this gun up and running and its a good shooter. Videos will be out in a few weeks. Thanks for stopping by friend.
Impressive! :)
EVERYONE is going to have a different opinion on this I guess .. I'm inclined not to re-machine that barrel but to retain it with the gun while using The moderrn replacement unit for shooting on range ?? Maybe? I guess you could "copy? " the markings with an added 'SNAFU' stamp to not be a forger?
I definitely understand your point of view. There has been a change in plan the last few days anyways. I removed the patch that was brazed on the barrel. There is about a 1 1/2 inch crack on the top of the barrel. This made me very happy. i was expecting there to be a massive hole or something. So i plan on tig welding the crack. Then smoothing out the Weld. then have the markings put back on the barrel. So its a much simpler repair. a shocking surprise the original rifling is almost in perfect shape. I also have entertain the thought of not doing anything with it. And just use the reproduction barrel for shooting. On adding markings to the reproduction barrel. Its a possibility. When companies like Turnbull Restorations restore firearms. depending on the condition much of the firearm is actually replaced with reproduction parts. Then they restamp the entire gun to be numbers matching. To me its crazy that they can then sell theses guns as originals and numbers matching.
Why not sleeve the barrel, I did so with a uberti replica 1851 navy used for a cartridge conversion. I turned down a piece of a .357 rifle barrel. I centered the navy barrel in my lathe and drilled it out. Then just used J B weld to hold the sleeve in the barrel. I have shot target load .38 special through this gun and it works fine.
If it wasnt for the old repair thats 100% what i would do. The old repair was braised on and it most likely would work fine sleeved. My goal is to make the barrel look like it never blew up. So i have to remove all the braising material because it a bronze medal. I will still be sleeving the barrel after the other work is done. But i am trying to hide any damage or repairs.
Ah, to make it look like it never happened. A lot harder to do but more satisfying when done 👍
@@Gunsmith-4570 lol i hope it will look great..that or it will look like a idiot attacked it with a dull beaver. Either way that's got me written all over it
Hey Snapper .. do you have an original Colt .31 Cal Pocket Model there - as I bought one down here in NZ? - Do you have a video on this Beauty yet 'cos I love my wee .31" antique & would enjoy seeing yours in detail. Cheers and Best Wishes.
Yes sir!! i have a colt 49 pocket made in 1858. I definitely understand why you love your so much. Extremely fun little gun to shoot. I haven't made a video on it yet. But if you go to guns of the old west TH-cam channel. There are a few videos dustin made using my colt 49 pocket. I will be eventually making videos of it on the channel. Cheers
@@snappers_antique_firearms My serial no. 135641 dates it maybe 2 years before yours? Cheers Snapper.
@@martinkavanagh196 sweet i just looked it up and it should be 1857. What's your barrel length. and do you shoot it. I also forgot i do have a few videos on my 49 pocket. One is removing its original nipples. And the other is a preservation method I use on all my guns. Its basically boiling them in distilled water. it turns any hidden rust or corrosion into a black oxide that becomes protectant. Sounds crazy but i learned it from a Museum curator. Also thats how they used to blue guns. They would add a rusting agent the boil it in water.
@@snappers_antique_firearms Good Stuff Snapper. - I use that boiling for rust conversion too & have OK results .. but a little smear of 'Cold Blue' for color goes a way too 🙃 My '49" has a 5 inch barrel and it sadly has maybe a quarter of it's 'Stage Coach' engraving rust pitted - The bore certainly is good enough to shoot with some pitting at the muzzle end BUT ...
New Zealand GUN LAWS are a MESS. They are increasingly PUNITIVE & PROHIBITIVE.
We have to be licensed and the guns have to be Registered currently. - However a genuine antique revolver that does not fire a self-contained cartridge MAY be owned "off license" but MAY NOT BE FIRED ! .. that's even though I am fully licensed. I use a UBERTI replica Remington .44" on an approved pistol club range here.
I blog PRO-SHOOTING some @
flicense.blogspot.com/2022/
@@martinkavanagh196 sorry to hear your gun laws suck as bad as they do. The idiots here in the US are trying to give up their rights as well. I really like the 5 inch barrel on 49 pockets. Rust pitting sucks but being over 165 years old its expected. The Remington new model army is a very good gun. I prefer colts but do like the Remington. I am bringing a original Remington new model army back to life. I should do some filming on it. I plan on gifting it to garrett from 11 bang bang when its done. I figured it would be a good gift for a really good friend.
Much better video and audio quality.
Yeah my wife "kinda gets" me birthday presents sometimes, so I get the "she kinda got me" a Christmas present thing.
Facepalm. Really??? You and Small Caliber Arms Review. I'm here to plague your firearms.
I hope you can get the barrel restored or procure another original.
I'm kinda interested to see the before and after on having the barrel restamped. Could you just have the repro barrel stamped to look like an original?
Lol 😁 another gun hurt by squib load. On the kinda gets.. It was on gun broker. i told her about it and she told me i can only bid just a little from its price at that time. Then she just bought it behind my back lol. Yeah i probably could get the repro barrel sent out to have it stamped. its a possibility i will. but i kind of want to try and fix its original barrel and hide all its repairs first. Then if it dont pan out i will use the repro barrel.
In 44 cal.
Yes
That's an odd one the recoil sheild is cut for a shoulder stock but no screws
In the beginning they really wanted to be an attachable shoulder stock with each revolver. Later in the war. The shoulder stocks really weren't u being used that much. So because of casting on the frame. The shoulder Cut will still be there. So they cleaned the cut up and never added the Shoulder stocks. Most 1860s that were made in 1862 were like mine, the cuts are there but they. Are not Is using them
It was quite common on 1860s being made around 1862.
Wall hanger, don't shoot it .
Way to late for that. i shoot all my guns, even my very rare and expensive ones. The key it light loads and proper cleaning.
how is it going with your more than restoration? we do appreciate you conserving pieces of history but if you give up on this project we'll understand ofc as no one is as crazy as you to attempt
Well its going good. I have welded up that barrel. I need to weld over it one more time have a few spots that need to be filled up a little more. that way you can never tell that the barrel was repaired or welded. I really wanted to try and save this barrels rifling. But because of the crack its just not possible. I need to drill out all the original rifling and put a Barrel blank in place. Then she is done. Minus getting the barrel address put back on the barrel. At the moment with that other Barrel. Its shootable. but I really want to wait till its original Barrel is fixed. to shoot it.
That’s super cool. Your wife did good, what an amazing present. I look forward to seeing the work you do on it. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks. Yeah i am lucky the have her.