For me the scissors are a must! Also the can opener/philips driver. So I would say the Farmer X wins for me. I like a good lanyard to pull the SAK out of my pocket, so the keyring is a plus. I love my Pioneer X. I still haven't tried any SAK with the saw. May need to try one out.
It's not just the scales that make it an ALOX; the tools are also slightly thicker. I've found I really like the heavier duty blade and often carry my Farmer X instead of my Compact.
There is only one. The Farmer X is the best choice without a doubt. It is the best over all EDC user in all enviroments. EDIT: I would not choose a small blade instead of the can opener since the can opener is my go to nail cleaner! Also to eyelet is used by me to orientate the knife when in complete darkness. I can feel which way it is and by that find the tool i need for the moment.
I'm glad it's not just me that uses that as a nail cleaner Also, because up until I retired I wore cargo trousers one pocket of which just held a swiss, I swopped the split ring for a larger one to give me something to extract it
I have a Farmer X and it’s a great tool. A bit thick while pocket carrying though, but not as thick as the Huntsman which has similar features. I like to pair it with a Rambler which provides a small blade, nail file, small scissors, toothpick, tweezers and a caplifter with excellent Philips driver.
Really good point about pairing the Army 7 with a Classic. I'm already set up as I carry an Alox Classic on my keys. Strongly considering purchasing an Army 7 because the Hawkbill blade would be very useful.
How strange.... A Classic SD alox and Swiss Army2 alox (with the hawkbill) arrived in the post today. Both were from Koch and Kochin as they are on sale... Can't carry either until October as I am carrying one knife (Farmer X) for all of September
Great conparison! I went with the Swiss Army 7 for outdoor use. I got the Pioneer X for urban use. So the 7 has the saw and pruning blade. The Pioneer X has the scissors and can opener. The blade, awl and cap lifter are the same. But the Farmer X is a great all in one option for those on a budget. Here would be a great knife, saw, scissors shootout: Farmer X vs Fieldmaster vs Huntsman vs Roxon KS2 Elite. Maybe throw in the Evo S17 and S18. For me, the Roxon might be the winner! Love the locking in line tools, one-handed D2 blade, awesome scissors. They managed to do something Victorinox has failed to do in 100 years: make a pocket knife with an in line awl and in line 3D Phillips.
@@MB_EDC Yessir. Blade, saw, awl, Phillips and combo tool lock. One of the reasons it has taken America by storm. So I guess the UK knife saw scissors shootout would be Farmer X vs Fieldmaster vs Huntsman vs nonlocking versions of Evo 17 and Evo 18 (as they do offer a S17 and S18 locking versions of those tools).
@@ParkerBinion I'll look at another comparison video. Might need to get done more SAKs (any excuse🤣) I could do Huntsman Vs Explorer.... I have those...
@@MB_EDC Explorer for my EDC in that shootout. I find I really don't need a saw unless I am hiking or camping. I do need the ability to drive screws fairly regularly. And as I get older, some of the menus they put in front of me require a magnifying glass!
The key ring was only an afterthought. When the Pioneer series was introduced in 1957 (and when they switched to this type of reamer in 1961(?)), they either used a bail or nothing on their knives. I believe they first started adding key rings around 1968.
@@MB_EDC I think I only have one Alox with a bail (the last run of Wenger Soldier, the "Sans Croix" from 2012), and I'm not using it, but I'm sure I would hate how big it is, and if you are not careful, you can even close the blade on it and roll your edge.
Good point. Better off without any attachment point. I have used zip pulls a couple of times as mini lanyards. Otherwise they seem to get in the way...
The Farmer X is hard to beat for the size and weight. Thanks for the congrats I seemed to have jumped up overnight.. Are you there yet? You can't be far behind if not...
Both are fantastic knives with exceptional design and build quality. I agree about the lanyard loop. A keychain ring on what is essentially a full sized pocket knife seems useless and can cut a hole in a pocket with repeated use.
Pairing is the key. If you carry a Classic or even better a MiniChamp, you are good with more or less any Alox model. My fav is the Army 7 of course, as I am a total fan of hooked blades. And I feel also better with a knife which comes with 2 blades ... ;-) That said, one of the main reasons why I do not really like the Farmer X is the key ring. This construction really hurts my hand when I want to use the knife. I'm not sure why but I don't have these problems with standard Cellidor Victorinox models, it happens only with the Alox key rings (resp. the fixture of the ring).
To me, the key ring attachment point is an even worse hot spot when the ring is taken off. I love the way these 93 mm Alox feel without any key ring and attachment point.
they should make alox scale options with tweezer, pin, toothpick & accessible hidden 4th slot to get the best of both worlds. sometimes you just need a pin to reset a device or access a sim card slot. victorinox should also make blackout matte options. not a fan of shiny tools although i like their lineup, i end up either going for a different plus scale like sapphire or picking up a different manufacturer like leatherman because they do carry blackout options.
A lack of scissors is a hard sell for me. I often carry a Cadet with Alox scales because it is so lightweight, and I got for a very good price. I very much like it, but it would be an even better knife with scissors. It has a nail file, which I find very useful. In fact, this is also a tool I would like to see featured on more Victorinox knives. I've used it to remove burs and rough edges from materials beyond fingernails.
@@MB_EDC Cellidor. It has gingerbread people on each side. I believe I paid 10 or 12 USD for it. I've already lost the toothpick, which was not a big loss.
@@davidvolsky7713 The Toothpick is my least used tool....... I may put my jetsetter on my keychain.... or at least try it... I don't want too much in my pockets.....
A lot of details in your video ! Thanks ! I think you always need a lanynard to take your knife out of the pouch or to block the ring while using a tool in the same side of the ring. The prunner blade is as usfull as dangerous (don't let a finger when you close it). A swiss army 2 is also a good way to get this blade (since the swiss army 6, aka rancher was stopped). A Rancher X would have been a market killer... The scissors are the key of the versatily of the Farmer X.
I wish the lanyard attachment would fold into the knife so it would be out of the way when not needed. Then the hole could be enlarged and a ring would not be needed. Scissors are a must for me. I prefer the inline awl so I believe Alox models are my only choice. I wish there was an inline Phillips driver on more models. Maybe if they made a pocket clip to fit the lanyard it would be less irritating.
The only thing I find is missing from my regular Farmer is a second blade for outdoor use. For urban use I use a Boker Tech Tool with the Wenger style scissors and a great blade or a Huntsman. Army 7 is close to perfect for me.
actually, I bought Farmer X because of your recommendation and I absolutely like it. Wear it on my shoulder bag so I don't notice it's weight. Also, I have Knipex Cobra XS on my shoulder bag, I think it's an ultimate combination of compact edc tools. Also in case if I wanna wear it on my pants - I bought titanium pocket clip and the eyelid is not bothering me, it would be worse for me without an option to carry it on my pocket with a clip.
Thanks - I am glad you like it!!! The bag carry is a great option - especially paired with the Knipx. Who needs a Leatherman!! I havent tried any of the pocket clips - I will add that to my list...
I have the Farmer without scissors, and I ground off the eyelet ring - it's so annoying! Without that, it's a great EDC for me. I probably use the large flat screwdriver/pry bar more than anything else.
In my opinion the Farmer X is the better tool. A blade, saw, flat screwdriver, can opener and scissors are must have tools when I choose to bring a multitool type pocketknife. Once you've decided to carry alox weight is nolonger the primary concern! I would never consider the Army 7. My EDC SAK is the Victorinox Evolution Grip S17. Weighs less than the Farmer X, has roughly the same Tools ( Farmer X has better reamer but lacks tweezers & nail file, tooth pick is a DIY item )
Vic introduced the SwissCards to give the Alox guys a chance to carry "Plus Scales" in their wallets. Alox + SwissCard is a lot more expensive, but it's an option.
@@MB_EDC You can also make the SwissCard Lite version travel friendly. Just replace the blade with a $2.40 replacement metal nail file part# A.6335.10 from Optics Planet. It's smaller than the blade, but it fits in the blade slot and does not fall out.
Haha! I love the silver Alox SAKs. They have a classy, timeless look and feel about them. They wouldn't look out of place on an airship, Stream train or spaceship....
So I carry either a cybertool M or a super tinkerer every single day, and the one problem I dont understand why victorinox refuse to fix is why cant we have alox scales with room for the tweezers? Theres so many things people want from these in 2024, but just getting a hole that fits the tweezers in these nicer scales is a problem that people literally fix at home with a 2 dollar file, and people on etsy with toy-grade CNC mills mass produce them in grade 5 titanium (you know, the crap grade everything EDC is made from). Its not exactly difficult to get done but would go such a long way in making the thicker tools feel more premium and less.... chonky.
Great point!! I wish Victorinox would do that for more models. The only downside is that the current combo tool is less robust than the Alox flathead screwdriver tool if you want to use it as a prybar.
Haha! That was my favourite before I got the Farmer X. The saw Singh it for me. But the Pioneer X is great as an urban EDC knife or even for camping if you have an extra saw...
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For me the scissors are a must! Also the can opener/philips driver. So I would say the Farmer X wins for me. I like a good lanyard to pull the SAK out of my pocket, so the keyring is a plus. I love my Pioneer X. I still haven't tried any SAK with the saw. May need to try one out.
Thanks Eric. The Victorinox saws are awesome for their size!!
It's not just the scales that make it an ALOX; the tools are also slightly thicker. I've found I really like the heavier duty blade and often carry my Farmer X instead of my Compact.
Agreed...I like the thicker knife and flathead/pry bar
Oh man, a tough choice. I like the hawkbill, a lot, but scissors are so handy. Great video my friend!
Thanks Randy. You think that was tough... Wait till you see this week's Keep Carry Scrap
There is only one. The Farmer X is the best choice without a doubt. It is the best over all EDC user in all enviroments.
EDIT: I would not choose a small blade instead of the can opener since the can opener is my go to nail cleaner! Also to eyelet is used by me to orientate the knife when in complete darkness. I can feel which way it is and by that find the tool i need for the moment.
I'm glad it's not just me that uses that as a nail cleaner
Also, because up until I retired I wore cargo trousers one pocket of which just held a swiss, I swopped the split ring for a larger one to give me something to extract it
I've been carrying the Farmer X since the start of September. It does almost everything I need. I just miss the nail file on my Midnite Manager.
Still not a fan of the split ring.
@@MB_EDC for me, in a particular usage ,it made sense
As a generalisation I reckon they're too flimsy to be of any use anyway
@@alanstebbings2886 Agreed 😁
I really like my Farmer X, carry that one alot👍I'd eventually like to add a 7 to my collection, I like that little hawkbill blade. Cheers, buddy!
I do like the Army 7 and when I carry it I pair it with a 58mm SAK with scissors or one of the Swisscards with scissors
I have a Farmer X and it’s a great tool. A bit thick while pocket carrying though, but not as thick as the Huntsman which has similar features. I like to pair it with a Rambler which provides a small blade, nail file, small scissors, toothpick, tweezers and a caplifter with excellent Philips driver.
I will be pairing mine with my Midnite Manager when I have finished my #OneKnifeChallenge.
For edc for me scissors is a must .i have an officer and champ ,but normally i carry the champ. I may get an al0x soon ,maybe a farmer ,not sure
Keep a look out on Google - they do go on sale at times, either at Amazon outer other online stores.
Really good point about pairing the Army 7 with a Classic. I'm already set up as I carry an Alox Classic on my keys. Strongly considering purchasing an Army 7 because the Hawkbill blade would be very useful.
How strange.... A Classic SD alox and Swiss Army2 alox (with the hawkbill) arrived in the post today. Both were from Koch and Kochin as they are on sale... Can't carry either until October as I am carrying one knife (Farmer X) for all of September
I pair with the compact...they really complement each other very well
@dbag57 I need to get the compact!
@ Great pairing!
Great conparison! I went with the Swiss Army 7 for outdoor use. I got the Pioneer X for urban use. So the 7 has the saw and pruning blade. The Pioneer X has the scissors and can opener. The blade, awl and cap lifter are the same.
But the Farmer X is a great all in one option for those on a budget.
Here would be a great knife, saw, scissors shootout: Farmer X vs Fieldmaster vs Huntsman vs Roxon KS2 Elite. Maybe throw in the Evo S17 and S18. For me, the Roxon might be the winner! Love the locking in line tools, one-handed D2 blade, awesome scissors. They managed to do something Victorinox has failed to do in 100 years: make a pocket knife with an in line awl and in line 3D Phillips.
I need to take a closer look at the Roxon. Does it have a locking blade? That would ruler it out for EDC here in the UK.
@@MB_EDC Yessir. Blade, saw, awl, Phillips and combo tool lock. One of the reasons it has taken America by storm.
So I guess the UK knife saw scissors shootout would be Farmer X vs Fieldmaster vs Huntsman vs nonlocking versions of Evo 17 and Evo 18 (as they do offer a S17 and S18 locking versions of those tools).
@@ParkerBinion I'll look at another comparison video. Might need to get done more SAKs (any excuse🤣) I could do Huntsman Vs Explorer.... I have those...
@@MB_EDC Explorer for my EDC in that shootout. I find I really don't need a saw unless I am hiking or camping. I do need the ability to drive screws fairly regularly. And as I get older, some of the menus they put in front of me require a magnifying glass!
@ParkerBinion haha me too with the magnifying lens. I have a credit card-sized Fresnel lens in my wallet for emergencies!!!
I have both, but the black color scales. Great toolsets.
They are!!
The Farmer X is by far the better choice in my opinion. 😊
Agreed. Both are great. The farmer x is the better of the two…
Army 7 is my favorite
I like it a lot and it was my favourite before I got the Farmer X
The key ring was only an afterthought. When the Pioneer series was introduced in 1957 (and when they switched to this type of reamer in 1961(?)), they either used a bail or nothing on their knives. I believe they first started adding key rings around 1968.
@@miklospinter I would prefer the bail to the eyelet and keyring
@@MB_EDC I think I only have one Alox with a bail (the last run of Wenger Soldier, the "Sans Croix" from 2012), and I'm not using it, but I'm sure I would hate how big it is, and if you are not careful, you can even close the blade on it and roll your edge.
Good point. Better off without any attachment point. I have used zip pulls a couple of times as mini lanyards. Otherwise they seem to get in the way...
I agree with your findings.
@@SubUrbanNinja-EDC Thanks! In the end it is down to personal taste and preference.
Great comparison. I’ll really like the scissors. So I’d choose the Farmer-x for the win. And Congratulations on 4K 🎉!!
The Farmer X is hard to beat for the size and weight. Thanks for the congrats I seemed to have jumped up overnight.. Are you there yet? You can't be far behind if not...
@@MB_EDC Almost 😅
@SigogglinJack I'll be looking out for when you do!!!!
Both are fantastic knives with exceptional design and build quality. I agree about the lanyard loop. A keychain ring on what is essentially a full sized pocket knife seems useless and can cut a hole in a pocket with repeated use.
I might grind off the loop at some point or maybe try out one of three pocket clips that fit onto the loop
I combine the Farmer alox with the victorinox nailcare swisscard for great edc.
Great minds think alike!!! I have just started doing the same! At least one other commenter has a similar suggestion too...
Pairing is the key. If you carry a Classic or even better a MiniChamp, you are good with more or less any Alox model.
My fav is the Army 7 of course, as I am a total fan of hooked blades. And I feel also better with a knife which comes with 2 blades ... ;-)
That said, one of the main reasons why I do not really like the Farmer X is the key ring. This construction really hurts my hand when I want to use the knife. I'm not sure why but I don't have these problems with standard Cellidor Victorinox models, it happens only with the Alox key rings (resp. the fixture of the ring).
Agreed about the Farmer X
Eyelet. It definitely sticks out more than other models.
I pair the 7 with the compact. Lovely spread of tools that way without being too bulky, one in each pocket.
@@dbag57 yes that's also a good example of useful redundancy in case one tool gets lost or breaks.
@bangalorebobbel Agree totally!
Farmer X wins for me. In fact I have recently bought one and really like its tool set and flexibility.
The Farmer X is hard to beat!!!!
I own the 7 or harvester i managed to tap holes for a bail and this mod makes it find so much more pocket time😊
@@bobbyd4400 Interesting... Does the bail get in the way of the blade or tools?
To me, the key ring attachment point is an even worse hot spot when the ring is taken off. I love the way these 93 mm Alox feel without any key ring and attachment point.
Definitely better without the eyelet. One day I will be brave enough to grind it off
they should make alox scale options with tweezer, pin, toothpick & accessible hidden 4th slot to get the best of both worlds. sometimes you just need a pin to reset a device or access a sim card slot.
victorinox should also make blackout matte options. not a fan of shiny tools although i like their lineup, i end up either going for a different plus scale like sapphire or picking up a different manufacturer like leatherman because they do carry blackout options.
I agree about some scale tools in Alox. Not a big fan of matte blades
A lack of scissors is a hard sell for me. I often carry a Cadet with Alox scales because it is so lightweight, and I got for a very good price. I very much like it, but it would be an even better knife with scissors. It has a nail file, which I find very useful. In fact, this is also a tool I would like to see featured on more Victorinox knives. I've used it to remove burs and rough edges from materials beyond fingernails.
Agreed. One option is to pair it with a Classic SD or one of the Swiss Cards with scissors and a nail file...
@@MB_EDC We are on the same page. I currently carry a Classic SD on my key ring.
@@davidvolsky7713 Cool!! Cellidor or alox version???
@@MB_EDC Cellidor. It has gingerbread people on each side. I believe I paid 10 or 12 USD for it. I've already lost the toothpick, which was not a big loss.
@@davidvolsky7713 The Toothpick is my least used tool....... I may put my jetsetter on my keychain.... or at least try it... I don't want too much in my pockets.....
they should make a harvester x and all my problems with the farmer x would be gone
That would be awesome. Maybe replace the flat head screwdriver with the combination tool from the Bantam as well...
A lot of details in your video ! Thanks !
I think you always need a lanynard to take your knife out of the pouch or to block the ring while using a tool in the same side of the ring.
The prunner blade is as usfull as dangerous (don't let a finger when you close it).
A swiss army 2 is also a good way to get this blade (since the swiss army 6, aka rancher was stopped).
A Rancher X would have been a market killer...
The scissors are the key of the versatily of the Farmer X.
Harvester (Army 7) with scissors would be fab. I just missed buying an Army 2 X custom made by a friend
@@MB_EDC oh my gosh, what a knife ! A love the Idea of a Prunner X.
Maybe a harvester X could be too heavy or Big. But it would be very complete !
The Farmer X is a little chunky.
I wish the lanyard attachment would fold into the knife so it would be out of the way when not needed. Then the hole could be enlarged and a ring would not be needed. Scissors are a must for me. I prefer the inline awl so I believe Alox models are my only choice. I wish there was an inline Phillips driver on more models. Maybe if they made a pocket clip to fit the lanyard it would be less irritating.
It doesn't really need the lanyard ring.... An inline phillips to go with the inlibe awl would be awesome....
The only thing I find is missing from my regular Farmer is a second blade for outdoor use. For urban use I use a Boker Tech Tool with the Wenger style scissors and a great blade or a Huntsman. Army 7 is close to perfect for me.
Haha! These are all great SAKs. It's good to pair with another smaller SAK or a larger single blade depending on the sort of day I have planned...
For me, they even have one blade too much because I carry at least another folding knife with me :D
The knifeless SAKs will be interesting!
actually, I bought Farmer X because of your recommendation and I absolutely like it. Wear it on my shoulder bag so I don't notice it's weight. Also, I have Knipex Cobra XS on my shoulder bag, I think it's an ultimate combination of compact edc tools. Also in case if I wanna wear it on my pants - I bought titanium pocket clip and the eyelid is not bothering me, it would be worse for me without an option to carry it on my pocket with a clip.
Thanks - I am glad you like it!!! The bag carry is a great option - especially paired with the Knipx. Who needs a Leatherman!! I havent tried any of the pocket clips - I will add that to my list...
@@MB_EDC damn youtube deleted my comment on my pocket clip, if you're interested in it, I can tell you where I bought one.
@@Zeratsu I am always interested in accessories for SAKs...
@@MB_EDCjust search for "titanium buckle hook"
@@MB_EDCon ali. TH-cam keeps deleting my comments. It's my 5-th time trying to answer you, gosh I hate it. My original comment was way longer.
I have the Farmer without scissors, and I ground off the eyelet ring - it's so annoying! Without that, it's a great EDC for me. I probably use the large flat screwdriver/pry bar more than anything else.
I may get brave enough to do the same with the eyelet
In my opinion the Farmer X is the better tool. A blade, saw, flat screwdriver, can opener and scissors are must have tools when I choose to bring a multitool type pocketknife.
Once you've decided to carry alox weight is nolonger the primary concern! I would never consider the Army 7.
My EDC SAK is the Victorinox Evolution Grip S17. Weighs less than the Farmer X, has roughly the same Tools ( Farmer X has better reamer but lacks tweezers & nail file, tooth pick is a DIY item )
Vic introduced the SwissCards to give the Alox guys a chance to carry "Plus Scales" in their wallets. Alox + SwissCard is a lot more expensive, but it's an option.
Great point... Especially if you get the Nail are version which should be flight friendly...
The S17 is like a huntsman. I have that but don't carry it much...
@@MB_EDC You can also make the SwissCard Lite version travel friendly. Just replace the blade with a $2.40 replacement metal nail file part# A.6335.10 from Optics Planet. It's smaller than the blade, but it fits in the blade slot and does not fall out.
@ParkerBinion Great idea! Thanks!
Alox!!! 🥰🥰😍😻
Haha! I love the silver Alox SAKs. They have a classy, timeless look and feel about them. They wouldn't look out of place on an airship, Stream train or spaceship....
So I carry either a cybertool M or a super tinkerer every single day, and the one problem I dont understand why victorinox refuse to fix is why cant we have alox scales with room for the tweezers? Theres so many things people want from these in 2024, but just getting a hole that fits the tweezers in these nicer scales is a problem that people literally fix at home with a 2 dollar file, and people on etsy with toy-grade CNC mills mass produce them in grade 5 titanium (you know, the crap grade everything EDC is made from). Its not exactly difficult to get done but would go such a long way in making the thicker tools feel more premium and less.... chonky.
Love the idea of tweezers on an alox knife..... you could pair it with a Classic SD or a Swisscard
The Alox Electrician Plus with the old cross Alox is better than those 2 models. You won't find one cheap.
I will look out for one, but as you say they are expensive....
Farmer x needs combo opener like this you h1ve the second blade of the 7 ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Great point!! I wish Victorinox would do that for more models. The only downside is that the current combo tool is less robust than the Alox flathead screwdriver tool if you want to use it as a prybar.
Alox nr 6 !!! nr 7 without the saw 🤙🤙
Not sure I have seen that!!!
I'd not take either of them, I like the Pioneer X for EDC.
Haha! That was my favourite before I got the Farmer X. The saw Singh it for me. But the Pioneer X is great as an urban EDC knife or even for camping if you have an extra saw...
It's SO stupid that they've left the 7 without a can opener.
Why didn't they give it the Bantams combo tool ?
That is a great point. The flathead screwdriver is a more beefy prybar. The combo tool makes much more sense.
*Victorinox Farmer X Alox is definitely better.*
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Agreed!!!! To be fair... there are few, if any bad SAKs!!!
@@MB_EDC *Yes; no Victorinox is bad. Owner, Mr. Elsner is a very interesting man. They have super precise machines and 3 generations of experience 🙂*
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Electrician Alox,
That is on my list to get.....
And now I have one 😁😁