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Can we just give props to the practical proposal Mooshtafa just provided in how he would resolve the land issue. This is the first time someone has come here and actually proposed a rational approach to dealing with land. Mike we need more discussions like this.
A process was set in place to return land but the ANC cadres just stole the cash for themselves
Thank you for your comment, we will keep trying to get reasonable opinions on this topic.
@@Tokengesture Return land and stolen cash ? Is cash needed to return land ?
- Mzi Jonas
The first rational conversation around land that I've heard, well done guys 👏👏👏
Thank you Mooshtaffa, you didn't buy face or get emotional. Only facts after facts. You nailed it!
We must ALL address this issue as a matter of urgency. If we don't, the volcano (from the dispossessed) will eventually erupt. Then it will be too late.
I feel like the interviewer was debating from a place of privilege and Zimasa quickly noticed that.
Mike Sham is an old white man. That's to be expected.
The interviewer is debating from a point of wanting what will best progress the future of South Africa.
I have a great understanding (for the 1st time) of the land problem. I absolutely enjoyed this talk (need more of these talks) but we need action now to make it happen. Thank you Mooshtaffa for clarification.
We will continue to unpack these hugely important issues and hopefully find some reasonable solutions.
Look at how discussions are prosperous. These 2 were not on the same page and look how they ended up agreeing on everything through proper discussions. Props to Zimasa for standing his ground. Great interview. Very informative.
Thank you for the compliments. We will keep it coming.
An excellent conversation. We need more of these every day, as we ALL work towards a peaceful and prosperous country. Well done.
Thank you Chris, let's not lose hope.
I’ll vote for the puffer jacket coalition! Great discussion.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣2029
Thank you for the support of the puffer jacket coalition. It may disband in summer!
The gentleman laid out the land question admirably, I believe Mr. Sham got a glimpse into how this is never going away.😊
Nobody disputes that there is a land issue. The bigger question is how you sit on the couch while using your mother's retirement to hide the compensation money the government paid for land restitution which eas meant for poor landless blacks.
If it never goes away it means we never solved it. So that would be bad.
@@AndrewMcFarlane_1 many were in fact disputing it trying to gaslight us into believing there isn't an issue and we should all be khumbaya. It is nice to see you being forced to reckon with our history.
@@MaximilienDanton I meant it won't go away just by asking us to move on, we will never just accept that things were taken and that is just how it is. We will never rugby together without that injustice resolved in a meaningful way. "Polls" showing South Africans don't "really want land" will simply not trick us into forgetting the land, that is what I mean
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 nobody forced me to know that blacks should have the right to own land. The ANC and it's criminal networks have shown that giving claimants land results in 90% failures and the DA and FF+ should be in charge of this process instead as they care more for blacks than the communist ANC and EFF.
Excellent discussion, it gives me hope. Let's drop the radical narratives and get on with implementation within our current legal framework.
Thank you for your comment, I fully agree with you.
The legal framework to change the constitution...to serve everyone and Ballance the scale for every one.
Yes let’s have the “conversation” about land. Here it is on this podcast.
I like the thinking of Mike and the Mosshstaffa.
My take.
The absolute impracticality of turning back the clock should be obvious to anyone with understanding and intelligence. WAAAY too many variables to consider but I think acknowledgement of the complexity of value add by guest is important. So we have NO OPTION to work with what we have and move forward not backward. The views of the “majority” and “feelings” are not the criteria that will create a SUCCESSFUL outcome for the people who suffer the most who are poor and mostly black and mostly uneducated. The popular, easy way out is “redistribute” but mouthing these words is meaningless related to outcome for many reasons. The government needs to address the tough reality - economic growth, jobs, housing, health care, education. This is difficult and requires the real work. Government “GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND DO YOUR JOB”. Perfect.
I enjoyed this debate/ conversation very much
Thank you so much for your comment Charmaine.
Another issue in South Africa is that some of the most brilliant minds with practical, sensible solutions for the country's most significant challenges are content creators on TH-cam.
Zimasa Vabaza never disappoints. His analysis is very well researched. It's not taxi rank & shebeen political analysis.
It might not be coming from a point of departure of Marxist-Leninist thought, however, it is very progressive.
By the way, these two were on MacG's podcast. Together with JJ Tabane & King David.
He never miss at all...this old white man always exposes himself in such conversation.
Very good discussion. Thanks both. Time for the politicians to get their act together on land justice of property rights.
Mike honestly you are not allowing the guest to state his views
You are putting your opinion front and we want to listen to the guest speaker
When did I stop Zimasa from saying what he wanted?
@@mikesham3204 you see the problem is there
You don’t even realize
You didn’t stop him per say you just had more insight about issues than him
I thought you called him to give his point of view but I ended listening to what you think instead
This was such an interesting conversation. I only wish it were longer
Can someone please put the solution to the land issue in a policy document and give it to the current political parties? As a white person who has mostly grown up in a rural area surrounded by farms and farmers, I've got to admit that the solution put forward here is reasonable, legal and most importantly within the Constituition of our country. This could be the first step to amending the land issue. The biggest problem with this issue was always the execution of the first step, we've had a government that could have implemented this years ago and could have started reversing some of the generational damage caused, but the government for just some reason(most likely profitting from the land at the expense of the collective) didn't do anything about and now we're living with the consequenses of not doing anything about it.
Sidenote: this comment section clearly shows that people didn't watch this video in its entirety and didn't process what was said by both people in the video. This was a great convo on the land issue that most people want to avoid.
We definitely don't avoid awkward discussions on the important issues on the State of the Nation.
Mike, the issue of landlessness amongst the dispose Africans can’t be the the challenge of predominantly African parties in parliament. It should be everybody’s problem, especially predominantly white parties. This is because landlessness amongst Africans was created by all white government.
Don’t often agree with you Mike but spot on with land and NHI
Thank you for the great conversation.
Thank you for your comment, we will keep bringing you great content.
The discussions on land should be based on giving, and partnerships. Not taking (or loosing). The hard part as being discussed here, is coming up with valid criteria where this does not get abused.
Thanks bro that you ain't intimidated by Mike and also all the whites doesn't want to talk about the land and minerals resources like you can see and feel how that touches Mike
In Xhosaland children are dying of starvation on land ... because they can't eat land.
In Zimbabwe people are starving ON LAND ... they can't eat land.
What can YOU do with a piece of land?
That is exactly the problem with the land rhetoric. Land, as in agricultural land, won't help people. Farming is hard and difficult. And how many people actually want to be subsistence farmers?
People need basic houses, preferably that they own, close to jobs in the city. And close to public transport. From there they can work their way up. That is what 90% of people want and need at least.
A very very small percentage of people want to and will be able to farm if given agricultural land.
Exactly ….Zimasa is a salesman ….he knows nothing of what his talking about,let me tell you,you can give people all the land in rural areas and what you will find is that it takes a very special person (notice how I didn’t say white or black skin colour ) to survive let alone thrive …most South Africans are not fit for that life
Let the white people give the unused land back to the people and you shall see that starvation wont be there, This thing of saying that we will be like Zimbabwe is a lazy excuse. We all know that the reason Zimbabwe became what it is, was because of sanctions imposed on them by the West. SA is number one in the world for the most unequal society. Just look at Sandton and Alex situation, if we continue with this rhetoric of saying ""What can you do with a piece of land?"" we will soon find out in terms of an upraising and it will be bad for everyone. The property rights that Mike is so in for wont matter when there is an upraising. The business community that is busy saying the rand will fall wont matter when there is an upraising. The most dangerous person is someone who has nothing to lose and this kind of people are many in this country and are increasing by the day. The land issue is a ticking time bomb and if not addressed God help us.
@@theosokupa2861a salesman and a farmer……. Lets stop waffling…
You clearly wasn't listening
I have never owned land neither did my parents!!! Why this debate!!! Farmers are needed. Give a man a job and he will buy his own home!!!! Jobs jobs Jobs!!!!
.No black people want capital assets not just jobs...access to land use...not private ownership of land...a twisted European idea...
But people who know that land was stolen from them don't want to buy land, they want their land back and than the buying and selling will start from that point
Nope, you can have the job I want land.😊
We always conveniently forget or gloss over the THEFT part… there was grand thievery @robbiemair8506 that took place, your parents didn’t own land but many black people DID and what they had was STOLEN!
This seems so easy to comprehend when the comrades are stealing our taxes yet when it comes to land we all seem to have amnesia…
But as human beings we look after our interests even if along racial lines…
This wont just go away, there MUST BE JUSTICE! And those whom were dispossessed might not get everything they want but this must be addressed for safe to say the cataclysms are definitely coming.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105what are you going to do on the land
I would sell my house if it helped with land reform, I think family homes should be paid for, land sitting around not being used could be a target for no compensation only.
I appreciate this guys views on land distribution. Would be wonderful to see that materialize.
I think another good topic would be population growth per race.
Could someone please send me the coordinates of agricultural land that is not being used as per these gentleman narratives? (I'm also certain that they do not produce food for people.) Thanks in advance.
What about the land that the black people took from the people that where here ? How far back does this go?
Mike plz invite Shivambu n debate with him.
My sweet lord I have tried but the EFF leaders will not come. About a month ago, we had confirmation that Julius Malema was on his way but he cancelled an hour before the agreed interview time. If you know anyone in the EFF, please tell them that they have an open invitation to appear on the State of the Nation.
Mike what is the implications of returning or sharing the land and minerals resources back of our country as black and whites?
Mooshtaffa forgot to ad that he got the results completely wrong. EFF as official opposition, ANC above 50%. DA in 3rd place. His insight and understanding are limited to popular rhetoric.
It's actually interesting. Haven't South Africans asked the average Zimbabwean who has come to the country why they came here? Do people not draw a parallel between the country losing its property rights & immigrants coming across?.
Even though I think it might end in disaster, the land question has to be answered. Better for the more rational parts of our society to deal with that than the eff or mk,
Nice to see you come to the party.
I agree with Zimasa, some parts of the constitution do need to be reviewed.
On the reason why land expropriation was voted against in parliament - markets influence the parliamentarians. As they are now with ANC-DA coalition.
95% agree with the proposed land resolution plan.
I'll go as far as to relocate people living in townships to put an end to such living conditions that have produced the worst kind of south african citizens.
Expand house sizes to atleast have a minimum size of property a citizen can have instead of RDPs to finally put an end to the Land question.
In Western Cape we have people next to the Airport who would never make a buck from their properties from the 1000 of guests this province gets for tourism simply because the environment breeds thieves and communities destined for poverty outcome that is inevitable.
We over populated and under resourced inside matchbox houses.
Any constitution is a working document....and as such, it is always work in progress....You can never have a constitution that's cast in stone... Amendments are possible, if there's need for it, for the betterment of the citizens...
Great conversation guys. Its funny how the conversation moved from the idea of revisiting the constitution and amendment and just centered on the example of Section 25 of land reform. It shows how sensitive the land question is. But on a serious note, white people should stop hiding behind a thumb, The reality is that land was disposessed through legislations such as Land acts, 1913 and 1970 and the Land apportionment, 1970. The combination of such Legislations resulted in over 87% of the countries land taken by force from its rightful owners to the minority white settlers. To date in a democratic RSA, According to a 2017 government audit, 72% of the nation's private farmland is owned by white people. So data and history tells all
I am 15 minutes in and I feel Madala does not understand where Zimasa is coming from.
The Constitution makes provision even for expropriation. The ANC ineptitude is causing us to have debates about the Constitution.
Hi there government of national unity is the best option let all political parties in parlement big or small and build and restore that's it businesses should not interfere forcing DA and Anc coalition where we come from we are not ready for that yet maybe next one
It's clear
they want to keep the status quo😢 . You say the king is the custodian of the Zulu peoples land, he is deaf to that. They are obsessed with property rights and title deeds for land they did not buy.
Whats encouraging is that atleast we are talking, and we can see their fear for the power of majority in a democratic world. What is good is that the majority is not imposing.
The land topic was very touchy on Mike. He was defensive. He had no points to put forward. Also he couldn't give Zimasa a chance to express himself freely. He kept putting his thoughts on him.
We debate issues on this platform and come out with solutions. This isn't the SABC where we have to accept anything that is said without challenge.
Zimasa was ambushed. And I think he was either unprepared or clueless.
In China the land is owned by the government, and people don't own title deeds, the are given certificates of the right to use the land or a certificate of building ownership or communal land rights. It is either you are didn't know what you were talking about or you were deliberately lying.
I'd say that Mike is right on most things here, the other dude needs some years under his belt, unfortunately. It's so much 1st Level thinking without getting underneath the surface of the Land Issue.
Firstly, everyone on Earth is dispossessed of land historically. Everyone's family at some point over X-number of generations was forcibly removed through war - State-sponsored or not. So how far back do you want to take your grievance? The Zulu Kingdom dispossessed millions of other tribes, colonially. Then they were dispossessed - As you sow, the same shall you reap. Jesus knew what He was talking about. He also knew about this thing called forgiveness and reconciliation. You don't solve things by going back. You have to stop repeating the problem and then move forward differently - And that solution must be equitably produced to protect wealth creation for the future.
Secondly, let's say that you do give people land that is "arable". With climate change, this arability is not guaranteed. In the last 10 years, certain cities in SA have seen weather that has not occurred in the last 100 years in that location. In addition, South Africa is the 30th most water-stressed country on Earth. Like, what are you talking about!?
Thirdly, if people feel dispossessed and if they have a claim on land, then they have to prove their dispossession. This is absolutely necessary because justice must be served, but justice cannot be served without evidence. This exact point proves why we can never locate our grievances in the distant past. All we can hope for is to put policies in place that enfranchise, ease-up and expeditiously facilitate future ownership of land and access to management resources for development.
When I listened to this conversation, I did not hear the plight of "the land issue for black people". What I heard was a cry for life purpose - And life purpose can be found in generational wealth development. And yes, you need property to do that - But that's exactly it!!! If YOU cannot own the property for generations, how will you have security of development of it for your children??? So this issue of suspension of property rights and the Constitution is borne out of not thinking deeply enough about where the problem is located and how to solve it. If you want to suspend the Constitution and property rights, you are not thinking deeply enough about the future of you and your family. History's sins will then repeat itself.
The challenge is rightly located with the fact that black people, en masse, have voted for a government that didn't do it's job - And that was done for 30 years!!! Like how dare you then blame the Constitution and property rights!? And then you say, give the EFF the land issue 😅 Are you mad? Malema says: "We'll own your property but you'll still have to pay your bond!" Bra, what are you smoking man?
The state should never be let anywhere near property rights and for the sake of your kids, don't ever support that. If we had a Nationalist-like Government again, they would be able to take away the property that you built for your children and give it to their own. How do you solve the problem through that mechanism? It doesn't make any sense...
"Give DA Tourism" - They're good at that 😅😅😅 They've also proven themselves to be good at economic management, policing, public resource management, communications, development investment, education, Healthcare, etc. Should we give them that too?
What has the EFF proved themselves to be good at??? Dude, you need to think deeper on these issues because you've not done yourself proud here and you're actually not well informed. Ton of 1st Level thinking and emotion, but deal with the issues above and evolve your mind on it.
Mike, I'd love to contribute - Please hit me up on LinkedIn. You may find my profile interesting for these purposes.
I agree with all your points! Mike should have you on the show.
It is clear that most white ppl are united, and they will do whatever it takes to protect their privileged / interest, and this gives opportunity for black people to unite more so that they can also advance their interest.
The ANC government that was filled with inaction has exacerbated those voices who felt disenfranchised and felt things where moving slowly and found a new home in a party led by a former president who didn't address the issues as well, a man who was there as a deputy for 6 years and president for 9 years
Mike Sham needs to relax & step off a bit & allow his guest more space to breath. As the host, he comes across as competing & arguing with his guest, instead of allowing for a much more broad based conversation. We are more interested in what Mooshtaffa has to say, with Mike Sham being the eye in the sky.
😂Mike always destroy his guest, Nobody in his right mind will expropriate land without compensation, and we shouldnt even discuss this issue" Property rights should be protected at all cost if we want to grow our economy
Your ancestors did it. Israel is doing it right now.
You just talking from a point of privilege my boy.
I stand to be corrected; but is the State not the most significant owner of available land ... ? 🤔
Firstly; a great discussion / presentation. Further; a distinction must be made with SA's food-security to the fore [ NOT like unfortunate Zimbabwe ]; whereby over 90 % of previously successful COMMERCIAL farms collapsed after the buy-out by the SA Government and eventual hand-over. It must be recognised that there is a MAJOR distinction between owning the land for SUBSISTENCE farming to that of COMMERCIAL farming which is a carefully managed; self-sustaining; business entity and all that It takes to be so. It must also be realised that there have been many who took an immediate monetary; buy-out benefit over that of taking on any form of a farming option ... 🇿🇦
If the land issue is not remedied, our issues wont end.
Invite Shivambu
I doubt that will ever happen, coz Floyd will give Mike a run for his money.
My sweet lord I have tried but the EFF leaders will not come. About a month ago, we had confirmation that Julius Malema was on his way but he cancelled an hour before the agreed interview time. If you know anyone in the EFF, please tell them that they have an open invitation to appear on the State of the Nation.
Eeeeihhh, "Joshua Door uncle" really doesn't want to give back the land.
Oh, my GOD help South Africa!
Lol land belongs to Zanu PF government & their kid's , Moz as well there is plenty of land but little investment wake up people. Let's give the rightful people land back but reasonable compensate, it's basic economics..unfortunately we live in a interconnected world economically it doesn't work. Ask our neighbors, Old China, Venezuela, Tanzania or Cuba..
Concerned very concerned!!!!!!
Stop repeating the LAND LIE!
Land, on the entire planet, is paid for with:
1. Money
Or
2. Blood
You choose!
Stop comparing South Africa to the whole world. There was criminality that happened. You can easily say blood or money until your family member is killed by people who feel they have nothing to loose. Don't be stupid
We have the problem of having a lot of minerals in our country but we don't know who benefit from them because we as black people we struggling.
Swart very bitter fool
Well, I think we know how this goes from here.
Giving the second largest party tourism doesn't make sense. Based on their proportion of the vote they would need to take 5 ministries in cabinet if you are going for a GNU. The EFF would gain 2, the MK 3, the ANC 10 etc...
We would rather keep the DA out of power until they learn to be South Africans.
Gwede Mantashe Did Not See The Importance of The Zulu Nation Block in The ANC.
I'll buy my own piece of land and real estate anywhere in South Africa in the real estate market as a South African citizen with title deed as proof. And appoint Agri engineers, farmers, real estate developers, property managers, contractors, architects, civil engineers, blue collar contructers, skilled tradesmen, plumbers, electricians, solar installers, smart grid security software system installers, manufacturers, factory workers, gardeners, those to maintain the facilities infrastructure upkeep and look of a house, property and land.
For me personally this expropriation of land without compensation is tiring me.
I just want to buy property to claim full property rights over that piece of land and building on it. And there's more than enough for everyone.
😂😂to be young and ignorant is bliss
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Supporting the ANC EFF MK and being smart doesn't exist in the same sentence. Expropriation without compensation without reading the constitution and ANC mandates of promises to return the land back to the people doesn't sound very smart, wise, clever,
Rather learn Real Estate and the Constitution than take this route of pretending to know what you really don't and try to get embarrassed by a young guy with facts versus you are just campaigning over unexamined information feelings and EFF ANC interests. If you had your own property and house you'd understand what I'm talking about.
I don't support nor vote DA. Just to make it clear. Everyone has the opportunity to get land and property through the courts or by government paying on your behalf to give to you or by compensation. Too bad many South Africans don't do any research nor dig deeper to find the facts that's why the ANC always gets support.
The less facts you know, the less educated you are, the less access to employment you have, the poorer you are, the worst standard of living and quality of life you're living the more likely you're gonna vote and support ANC EFF MK and anyone who thinks and acts like them.
@@KutloanoMatela we can all buy land once there is no land acquired by dispossession of our people. This is about more than the actual land, it is about fixing the injustice so our people can longer cite dispossession.
We all want to protect property rights but we will not protect dispossession even if we have to abandon property rights entirely as a pyrrhic victory.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 3 clear and we'll explained paths to get the land back. Like I said supporting ANC EFF MK and being smart doesn't exist in the same sentence. Being old and ignorant is just downright foolish, stupid and ignorant.
The ANC we're supposed to do it and failed everybody. The EFF will give you what you want but have the land for themselves so I can clearly see you're not very wise and don't do any research whatsoever.
Genuinely ignorant people who don't know is teachable and acceptable
Prideful Foolish Arrogant people who know little to nothing pretend to know everything and aren't willing to learn are not teachable and are an unacceptable shame
'A landless people' most of the black people I work with have two homes, one in GP and one in rural.
'Landless people' is another LIE which you repeat over and over.
Black Bantu people originated in Cameroon and migrated up and down through Congo, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Swaziland, Lesotho etc. Migrant Bantu never owned land anywhere.
To claim a FREE FARM in South Africa because your skin is black is ridiculous.
The Bantu people found Khoi and San people in South Africa ... they never compensated them for the land.
It's FALSE for the Bantu to claim compensation now from current landowners but they never compensated the Khoi San from which they took the same land.
Why don't Bantu claim 'their land' in Zimbabwe, Botswana, Swaziland, Lesotho, Mozambique, Zambia, Congo, Cameroon?
Where they came from?
Haha, calm down before you get a stroke. You're not a mouthpiece for the Khoi and San nor the Bantu, these tribes have coexisted way before your propaganda fairy tales. 🤣🤣
😂Just bring back the LAND
Excellently put
If Zuma was the least radical among all presidents of the so called new South Africa as Mike claims, why is he hated so much?
Mineral rights are owned by government. Not sure why he is talking about mining.
Cadres all waiting to feed at the trough. Deam on.
You need to understand something fully before you destroy it. How could you ask to change the Constitution? Rather understand it and see what is not working in the system.
JJ showed you flames mike at podcast and chill.
JJ got everything wrong about the elections. He said that the EFF would replace the DA as the official opposition. Perhaps you should rewatch the episode!
@@mikesham3204 Please invite JJ , that would be very interesting.
If you really want land
.. why don't you just BUY land like everybody else ON THE PLANET?
But our land was stolen, South Africa's issue are unique, bring back the land and than we can start the buying and selling. There are stages that we have to go through to get to point where we compare ourselves to other countries. I know where my grandparents were removed and my whole family hasn't made peace with that. We want it back, we don't want freebies, we want what's ours,that's all.
Listen fool the land was stolen but you sound very bitter because your family left you landless
Mustafa, ngyakuxolela ngoba UMxhosa. MK is not our way of feeling that we are in power by having somebody up there as amaZulu.
Before MK people were rooting more for EFF. because of the policy stance on the land.
Land is and issue, we already had discussion all over South Africa about the land and the Majority agreed that without compensation.
The talks about what will you do with is stupid, you cant steal my car and then ask me to tell you what you need it for? you stole it, bring it back!
South Africa will be like Zim, what happened to Zim is sanctions not land, besides we have are a democracy.
You wont eat land, ok if you say so, since it is useless why arent you giving up for free?
Give back the stolen land FIRST. Then we can entertain any discussion that "they" want to discuss.
Racist much? Prove what land was stolen. In court you have to bring evidence. Some land might've been stolen, certainly not all. And the government owns 25% of ALL land. Start there
No one stole your land
Mike is threaten by the young man, and he is a hostile host. He should have made a monolog and expressed his views. Didn't see a point for this podcast
I categorically believe zimasa is talking non sense ….peope have plenty of land in rural South Africa …in places like former homelands …where I come from and let me tell you ,the land is laying fallow not touched
This is a monologue. Mike is only interested in his own views.
It's simple really, there is a generally accepted expectation that stolen property must be returned. What is there to discuss???
Are you Khoi or San? No? Then your ancestry also stole land here in South-Africa
@@psylentrage no land thieves ought to reply.
Totally with you @tshse3164....? What's there to discuss ????.... You stole now give it back
There is no need to fight. There is enough money to buy the land AND THEN SOME and there always has been. The money has just been wasted and misappropriated by the comrades. State capture cost us R 500bn . If we can recover that money we can do a lot with it.
@@MaximilienDanton atleast you are not that dunce psyrage trying to gaslight an entire people into believing they are foreigners in Africa. Look I think most people are willing to be rational but it has been a while so don't expect to stay rational if there aren't serious concessions.
What ever Anc do I pray we don't give DA more power if we do we are going to regret in years to come
why do you say that?
@@MaximilienDanton less than basic food basket wages that are supposed to extricate us from poverty somehow, while they privatise everything so I can't live since I can't even afford a basic food basket let alone rent or electricity or ADT or Chubb policing or private healthcare etc...
ANC under Ramaphosa, is simmilar to the DA, they went tomuch to right side, now they have been punished.
The EFF has been moderate all along then in the intent to merely append the constitution not demolish it and even they seemingly had to give way to the more radical MK. This is entirely the fault of the doomsayers.
This black guy is intellectually dishonest.
The poor boy is hopelessly outclassed in debating ability. He is asked a simple question but is in all intentions unable to answer them.
Fairly disingenuous, the gentleman gave Mike ample time to propagandise and still responded admirably after the fact.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105thanks for your input grifter. I'm sure the retirement money you steal from your parents buys you a lot of airtime.
@@AndrewMcFarlane_1 😂why are you so angry?
Grifting for the poor? They pay a lot?
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Show how much money the poor pay to support your couch lifestyle
@@AndrewMcFarlane_1 😂take your meds old man.
Kindly respect the religious beliefs of your viewers. Leave the omG out of your language.
Ag my here Koos, gaan kyk dan na iets anders. Hy praat van sy god, nie joune nie.
Are you Jesus’s cousin?
This Zimasa guy speaks a lot but says nothing. He was disagreeing with Mike all along but when he was asked about how he would fix the land issue, he just repeated everything that Mike was saying all along (that government-owned land must be redistributed and that unproductive land needs to be productive) and he said nothing about expropriation without compensation even though he was advocating for it.
To me, he appears to be those people who just disagree and talk a lot just to be heard even when they don’t even know why they are disagreeing