Being able to shoot accurately at long range is only half the equation. What is the effective range of the broadhead/ bolt you are using? When your bolt gets to the animal will it have enough kinetic energy and momentum to penetrate adequately and kill cleanly? I’ve read that crossbow bolts lose velocity quickly. Just being able to hit a deer at long range isn’t enough.
That's a great question, and I should have mentioned it in this video like I did in other videos. Believe it or not, an arrow traveling at 400 ft per second weighing 400 grains, which is pretty common for modern crossbows, has about 140 foot pounds of kinetic energy at launch. At 70 yards it still has over 120 foot pounds of kinetic energy! So there's plenty of energy at distance. That's simply not the problem. Keep in mind that my original crossbow at 300 ft per second, only had 72 foot pounds of kinetic energy at launch! Modern crossbows are simply a whole different animal.
Yes a crossbow does lose velocity very quickly and many do not acknowledge this fact however a very up to date modern crossbow like the death stalker 💯 is not a worry at 60 yards or even beyond. But the velocity is also only a factor when using light weight bolts. There is always a trade off in this game and we are never as efficient as vertical. But we can lose some speed/ velocity for a more consistent speed velocity and more momentum to pass through. Its really a what do you want and how do you achieve it while also what does my crossbow like lol. Its a fun thing if it interests you but i will certainly say for most shooters yes high speed equals high loss of speed too. We really are more like a handgun ballistics than a rifle while the vertical is the rifle. Simply because draw length would equate to barrel length. Everything has efficiency but everything also becomes a point of diminishing return when efficiency is maxed out.
Rifles and cartridges are truly under some different equations in truth. If shooting the Nitro 505 crossbow with a 530 grain arrow, you can start out with 465-470 fps. At 60 yards your down to 440-445 fps. In regards to crossbow ranges that doesn’t seem to be a dramatic loss of speed. I can’t even tell you how much energy that is because it makes me pass out. One big enemy of the crossbow hunter is time. “Time of flight.” Can the arrow get there before the animal moves or conditions change?
@@douglasborgaro6801 yes but i was just merely stating from a distance factor only. In comparison that is somewhat comparable to the archery world. A huge misconception is that the crossbow is the longer range archery weapon and that is false the bow is the longer range weapon.
Rich, I have a 100 yd plus backyard.... LOL. I practice at 50 - 60 yds regularly. That said, I limit my shots on live game to 35 yards or less. I'm not going to judge others. If they're comfortable beyond those distances have at it. For me enough can go wrong within my comfort zone and I prefer high percentage shots. To each their own but know your limits and respect the animals you hunt!
I try to keep my shots to 30 yards or less, even with faster, modern crossbows. In the past, I have taken a few shots at longer distances; some were successful, but others didn't work out, so from now on, I want to be confident that I'm going to get a kill shot.
We had an epidemic of long shots at our hunting club this year! Oddly enough, it was the more experienced hunters who did this because they were "such great shots at 50-60 yards ". They completely failed to consider the extra time the deer has to move! One trophy shot in the ham but recovered too late to save the meat. Another trophy wounded but lost. A third buck was missed completely (at least that's the story we got). Never shoot beyond 40 yards!
Thank you for posting that James. Keep it in at 30 yards for the fast Crossbow should be all right. Crossbows are not guns substitute. Wounding animals sucks for the hunters ego but more so the animal suffers unnecessarily. Get her done first time with proper shot placement that means up close.Have a great day.
new sub and new cross bow shooter, definitely not new to archery hunting, numerous surgeries on my dominant arm and shoulder decided this for me. Loving your videos! thank you
The cone of uncertainty is hilarious because it’s so TRUE! 😂! Now hunters remember, if anything can go wrong it will go wrong at the worst possible moment! Enjoy! 🏹🦌🏹🦌
Looonnnnnng shots are only ethical on paper targets. Even at 500+ fps a deer can duck several inches out at 60+ yards and that can mean a wounded deer. The problem is the ability of the deer (even when they seem calm) to react to the sound of the crossbow enough to move the point of intended impact several inches at even 60 yards with a 500+fps crossbow. Until we get crossbow speed beyond the speed of sound (1125 fps) we will continue to have this issue. I can regularly hit a pop can at 100 yards on a calm day with any of my crosswbows but I don't shoot anywhere near that far at deer.
Actually if you go watch the studies that have been done with over 400 fps a deer at 40 yards can’t duck an arrow. There haven’t been enough studies with the latest and greatest 500 fps bows but I’d bet 50-60 yards is easily achieved.
@@1hunterdale If you watch the videos available you'll see that some stay nearly motionless while others drop several inches. I've seen many of both and experienced both
@@thomas9565 Depends on the deer being filmed. Some stay nearly motionless while others drop several inches. I've seen many of both and experienced both
I had one duck my arrow at 32 yards this year. So I know some of you are full of shit. My crossbows over 400 fps. Eventually there will be bunch of dumb rules written cause dumb ass people will keep shooting and wounding deer.
That's why with my vertical compound bow at shots between 40-50 yards I aim at the bottom 1/4 of the deer's chest cavity so ig he drops 6-10" I'll still double lung him
I'm working my way through ALL your videos Counselor. This is a good one. 40yrds, that seems to be a universal max as the "excepted" max range. Realistically however, crossbow hunting (to me) is bowhunting with a horizontal tool so 30yrds is the regular comfort zone for most, 40 max for some as a general rule. I've scored at 40+ but if you need to shoot past 40yrds (with exceptions based on your skill) you need to focus more on hunting skills, not shooting skills. Even 500fps bows can be "string jumped" at 50yrds+. The "drop" is a real thing. Crossbows are still a close range tool. Appreciate your enthusiasm and videos Esquire.
I have the same bow and scope you have. I practice out to 80yds all the time. But that's not because I'm going to shoot at an animal at that distance. However, if you practice at those longer distances, the 30 and 40yd shots are easy!
I have hunted archery over 40 years. Several years ago i squeaked a coyote into 40 yards. I tok my shot, by the time the arrow arrived and he had spun and run several yards.
Taking my crossbow hunting for the first time I've had it in the closet for 3 years regular old recurve I finally get to go on my first real hunt after a deer thank you for being so much inspiration and I've been watching forever now been gone for a little while came back and your shoes hotter than ever keep up the great work man and ... all hail bungee
Love my Burris Oracle X scope but my zone of confidence is maxed out at 40 yards. I know I can hit my practice target at 60 yards but i have no confidence in that distance shooting at deer. My crossbow is a KI Swat X1 so it can easily hit the distances past 40 yards.
3 days left in the 2022 season of awesome and what a year its been, fun hunting and fun from success 4th year of crossbow hunting and havnt fired my deer rifle in that period of time, even to sight it in. Crossbow hunting is truely the balls. All Hale Bungie !!!!
I have only ever shot 4 deer. 2 with my inline muzzleloader at 60 and 80 yards and 2 this year with my crossbow at 28 and 50 yards. Tree stand with rangefinder and centerpoiny heat 425. 150 grain swhacker.
Lumix speed ring. Deer bedded down under fallen tree that was 50 yards away. Watched it for 3 hours. Got up 4 times. Decided to take the shot the last time deer had no clue and was just standing there. Hit heart.
Good video Rich and coming from you it carries a lot of credibility and weight to the subject! One of the Regional Water Authority hunts I've participated in specifically instructs all who participate in this hunt to not shoot beyond 25 yards, regardless of weapon, crossbow, or compound! I missed a buck at 15 yards once because the arrow deflected off a branch which of course I didn't see!
Let me reiterate... it doesn't matter if you can shoot a mosquito at 100 yards. Unless you're shooting at Mach 1 speed (1100 fps), the deer will hear the shot before the arrow arrives and they'll start leaving.
But they don't "disappear" when the sound gets there...they have to react and drop, which all takes time. You are way oversimplifying it LOL. If it was as simple as you make it out to be, then we'll simply couldn't ever kill anything with archery equipment.
I’ve gotten 2 buck with my crossbow. One at 46 yards and one at 48 yards. They were made from a 20 ft tree stand. I think that being in a stand there’s no, “drop.” The bolt goes exactly where it’s aimed. I’m pretty sure I never would be able to be that accurate on the ground.
I also want to touch on what you said about hoping not being a good strategy….that not only goes for shot selection but also for stand or blind location. Be in your location for a reason wether it be hot sign, camera pictures, food or bedding; not simply because you killed a deer there before or because it “looks good”
This year we were hunting on a gas line right of way about 60yds apart. My friend shot a doe and I actually heard the arrow hit the deer before I heard the noise of the bow going off. So it seems that the jumping the string has been minimal with these faster speeds.
nothing changes anything for me....50 yds max with my crossbow if no wind and perfect conditions....but honestly 40 is more my comfort zone.....people should watch slo motion videos of bow and even crossbows to see how much they can be off with just a little wind.....the arc, the left and right.
My Horton fury is rated at 360fps, I shoot quality Black eagle executioner bolts with 100grn Toxic broadheads backed by 100grn of extra FACT weights. I shoot consistent groups at 60yds and it hits hard!
72 yards my longest shot. Tenpoint Flatline 460 with a 450gr 16" bolt. No wind 6am . Almost perfect conditions. My longest before that was 28 yards. And i wouldn't go passed that 70 mark. 50 yards should be max for 400 fps bows. Bows in the 430-515 fps i believe 70 yards should be absolutely the max.
I agree with what you said. I hunt with a crowsbow, but have NEVER took a shot at an animal past 40yards. It is not that I can't shoot any farther, my friends and I love to go to our range and see who can hit the target at the farthest distance. It is due to the fact that I hate shooting any animal and not getting a kill shot.
That's great to hear, I hope you really enjoy it! That's my introduction to crossbows lol. It's a pretty easy read I'm hoping. The new book, The Death by Bunjie Crossbow Method, is pretty intense in comparison haha. Thanks again! Good luck out there!
I shoot more than most compound shooters lol. My zone of confidence with my matrix 380 is 40 yards the speed is 350fps with a 410gr arrow. I have no interest in shooting at a deer past 30 lol. 40 is max for me. No bashing anyone for the way they choose To hunt just my thoughts here. Another great video Rich! Practice makes perfect.
Well if we're being honest with ourselves, you've always said, "Shooting your own comfort level." Comfort is not a true quantifier, as, it's opinion based.
My longest shot was around 35 yards. My stand is on a hemlock patch overlooking a hardwood opening. There's a path 45 yards out my left window that deer are constantly coming out of. Most of them continue straight ahead. If a monster buck comes out and it don't turn in my direction, I might have to test that distance. 🤔
Most of my shots have been 20 - 25 just because of where I hunt and with my 10 year old crossbow with sub 300fps I've never seen any of those deer jump the shot at those ranges. But with that same xbow I have if I shot at 40 - 50 I believe they would have the ability to jump my shot.
The question about long shots is something that can be directed at me some times when shooting the Nitro 505. I do not consider myself a long distance crossbow shooter. Do I think the 505 will take a deer at 60+ yards. Yes I think it would. But 50 yards or less is my range.
I have always practice /my greatest fear is wounding a animal and not bring able to find it /if it's past 40 yards I don't shoot it's tough to let a deer go but I confident up to there and that it's /I always chk my yardages earlier in the season so I know them
The only problem with zooming in for those long distance shots is that if you zoom in too far, there isn't enough room in the lens to show all of the reticles. You have to zoom out to get dots at those long range distances. It's going to vary from one crossbow speed to another.
By far and away the BEST advice in your video is "Shoot more deer." I could not agree more. Why do basketball players endlessly shoot free throw drills? It's a close up, straight on EASY shot to make but coaches insist on lots of free throw practice. They know that if you get skilled at making a basket....any basket...that the techniques and confidence will carry forward into other shooting situations. Same thing with shoot any archery equipment for deer. I'm not saying just practice on a stuffed target but saying the shots you need to practice most are those you get a chance to take on live deer. I consider myself to be extremely good with my crossbow, in fact, I rarely miss on any type shot....on a stuffed target that is. But earlier this season a big doe stood in fading light at the end of legal shooting hours about 25 yard straight out from my stand. She was still and broadside across an open food plot. What could possibly go wrong? I aimed correctly, fired properly, and watched the deer react. She was at full alert facing me so when the crossbow fired, she reacted at maximum speed, dropping a little and whirling back around to run the way she came. My arrow's bright little light was stuck up in the ground where the deer had been just gleefully glowing at me saying "You missed!" Deer can move with incredible speed. I have shot my crossbow at greater distances this year in my practice shooting simply to be ready if and when a responsible shot opportunity arises to take a deer at a little longer distance. My equipment can do the job easily. But given the ability of a deer to be evasive, I would still only take a shot at long distance when the situation was in my favor. Except for the zombie with the angel above his head that kept popping in and out of the side of the video frame, this was a good educational video about the factors to consider in attempting a longer distance shot.
Great comments and I agree, if people decide to reach out with longer distances, take it slow and shoot more deer, evaluate that behavior as you go forward that's for sure. Oh, and you don't like Fred? Haha.
They are on deathbybunjie.com but don't buy one until next week because they are going on sale, the next video will announce the sale! Thanks for your interest!
Deer react faster to noises that are close to them. I keep my shots 30 and under. I have a Scorpyd thats going 450fps snd have been testing the deer on my range. When they are 80 to 120 yards out they dont even flinch when I shoot. They run when the arrow hits the target. Im sure my range deer are not typical woods deer you will encounter everywhere else. Im sure they are accustomed to my shooting every day. I build rifles and shoot on my private range very often. Deer will come out and feed minutes after shooting stops. Just neat to see how little reaction there is from them when they are farther away. My crossbow it pretty loud too. Much louder than a Death stalker. Not a bunch faster either for as much more noise it makes. To do it over I would probably get a DS instead. My micro suppressor 355 only gets 320 with the arrows i use. Its killed every deer I shot so far. Longest 30 yards. As far as the long range goes I believe there is a window from 30 to 80 yards or so that deer do react to the shot fast and can move before the arrow gets there. Just observing my deer once past 80 they dont react at all. When I say my deer I mean the ones on my range. These are wild deer not fenced in. Be nice to see some testing done on this subject. My state doesn’t allow field points in the woods while hunting. But I would love to see how the deer at 80 to 100 react to a shot in my food plots. There are videos from a guy shooting deer at 60 yards and they seem to get hit before they move. He is shooting a Scorpyd also.
Great comments here, thank you, I agree at some point it probably is more about volume and the type of sound it is than it is just the fact that the sound was made. At distance I don't think they'll react the same as how they do close up but I'm not aware of any actual evidence of that of course. Other than videos we've watched.
A few years back, I was scouting for moose in an area where it was Bow/arrow only for a few weeks. MYSELF, I am not a bow hunting. ANYWAY, 4 moose I seen with arrows sticking out of them.... I guess that's OK according to fish and wild life
Nothing wrong with that, but keep in mind for years 25 yards was my maximum and I would have thought 30 to 35 yards was risky. To each his own, based on skill and experience and equipment.
@@Deathbybunjie Not sure how stable my no long shot gimmick would hold up with the big buck temptation. Lucky for me the devil has not dangled that one in front of me !
I've been following you for a few years now ( I want to get a Scorpyd crossbow too) and with your new crossbow you are shooting a markedly faster arrow. However I don't see you stressing enough on keeping the shot distance within a "short" range. Something like 40 to 50 yards as a maximum? My reasoning is as follows. I know your arrow is travelling much faster than one from the original Bunjie. However deer reflexes are still the same as they have been for, probably, a few centuries. Maybe even a few millenia. Deer can, and WILL, move once the sound of the shot reaches them. They are primed to jump whenever they hear a sound they don't recognize. Especially a short, loud thump or twang sound. With the current arrow speeds out to about 40 or 50 yards the arrow can reach them before they have time to react enough to create a miss or to make the shot placement poor. Beyond that range they have lots of opportunity to move enough to really mess up an otherwise perfectly placed (planned?) shot. No matter what crossbow one is shooting, 400 or 500 fps, one needs to keep the range close enough to ensure a clean, ethical kill. Which means keep the distance short enough that the arrow can get to them before they can reflexively move.
Well I did say twice in this video that closer is better lol but I get what you're saying. I done a lot of videos on deer ducking the string because it was a problem I faced with that older slower crossbow all the time. Yes, it's still a problem with a faster crossbow, at certain distances. That's really what I'm exploring in this series of videos. Check out this one for starters: th-cam.com/video/-ZzzKYiO9LU/w-d-xo.html
Very, very good points. But this is exactly where shot placement come in and where to aim. I always aim the Vital V for the heart. 10-50 yards. Always all the time. I use a heavy bolt to account for a what if deer moves this way and i hit shoulder. No problem i will go through both shoulders. Deer ducks its vitals and major blood vessels. Deer stands still with a big cut head its heart and front lobes of the lungs. Deer springs forwards its still centre mass lungs and or just the back. This is where it’s important to have the plan B arrow or bolt as the plan A. And as always a clean miss is always preferred over a bad hit and a wounded deer. This is where having a big cut mechanical with a heavy weight comes in. If something should happen and go horribly wrong like not being perfectly levelled and slightly canted and you hit bad…. Not everyone’s setup will be a passthrough or a big enough cut to make a kill. Yes closer is better but this is why aim point and arrow bolt setups matter. Deer can move at 10 yards and duck too if conditions are right for it. The likely hood is slim but never none.
Say what you will but shots by compound vertical bow hunters out west of 50-60 yards are very common these days as out west bow hunting for white tailed deer but especially Mule deer spot and stalk are way way more common than stand hunting and I personally see no issues with taking a 50-60 yard shot with a vertical compound d bow if conditions are acceptable and your abilities as an archer and your equipment are both truthfully up to it I have personally killed enough deer at 40-45 yard shots with my vertical compound bow to know it is absolutely doable I will grant you though my vertical compound bow is very significantly more quiet at the shot than a crossbow 50 yards with my vertical compound bow is my personal shot limit only because I have no where I can regularly practice beyond 60 yards and my personal rules are I must be absolutely dead on 10 yards past my personal limit to shoot that far So to shoot past 50 yards I must have access to a 70 yard range I can get to 4-5× a week and unfortunately I do not The longest range I can shoot to safely is 60 yards And the reason I absolutely love Wasp Boss SST FBBH's is because they fly over 90% as well as FP's and are just scary scary hair popping sharp ROOTB and 9/10 have spin tested perfectly for me and zip through deer even at 45 yards like their made out of a sheet of wet paper Not advocating irresponsible shots with a crossbow just saying long shots with modern vertical archery equipment are very doable In a stark contrast NEVER hit and lost a deer I shot between 30 and 45 yards Only three deer I hit I failed to recover were all shot at under 25 yards all were because my arrows hot something in flight resulting in a poor hit And when I take a shot over 30 yards I purposely aim at the bottom 1/4 of the deer's chest so if he does drop the string Ill still most likely double lung him and I will not take a shot over 30 yards without LRF the deer as under 30 with my vert/cb 5-25yrds I need only one pin I have two crossbows enroute to me I will do much testing to see if shots between 40 and 50 yards have the same potential to be successful as with my vert/cb bow and decided from their.
I don’t know I really stand by the fact that we should not ever be exceeding that 50 yard max (unless necessary survival or war.) Sure practice at longer to make that shot and in that much better but never take an animal with it. I really stand by this. We are not rifles we are archery we should stand by that principle. Just like its unethical for compound guys to exceed it and most do hell few even do a hundred with their vertical bow and its just not appropriate. I do know that the death stalker can certainly do the kill at longer ranges without worry i get that but still we are a close range weapon. Always will be. I think it’s absolutely fantastic that crossbows made a huge advancement from what they used to be, we are now in war bow category and its about time lol. But still i am just glad you had a successful long shot kill and recovery. I know how horrible you’d feel if something went wrong and you did not get the recovery. Rich like everything the more you do it the more likely one day something will go wrong. At least if 30 is the new 20 than 50 is the new 40 and thats where we should really stay. Its less for things to go wrong its a 99.99 percent chance of always a pass through even on a shoulder blade without fear, its less affected by wind and other elements but when you start to go past that you bring all these back into the equation and even more the earth’s rotation at certain distances now becomes a factor.
My longest shot was 70yds. Biggest buck i ever seen, i hit him with a clean pass. Don’t understand where I went wrong but he got away. Tracked for almost 4hrs and lost the trail in an open field. I was sick about it for days, heck im still sick about it now. I won’t be doing that again. I hate the feeling of only wounding an animal. I use a Ravin R26 stock scope.
Thank you for your honesty about taking that long shot and having some time to recover your dear. I believe these comments are good for newcomers to the sport. We don’t need people repeating mistakes if we can help it. Have a great day
Some peope think they can reliably hunt at 500 yards plus with rifles. Very few can, even with a $10,000 rifle. I dont take shots past 40 yards archery or crossbow.
Not overstepping here, but I can crush a 4 inch circle 10 times out of 10 at 500 yards with my rifle. The people who can't, shouldn't, but the people who can... it's not even kinda hard. It's all about disapline and rounds down range. When I was 17 my old man told me I could shoot a 4 inch circle at 300 yards with my oump 30-06 and 5 power scope. We bet $100. I got $100 richer that day and it only cost me 1 25 cent federal blue box round.
This new disdain for extended range is nothing but another attack on crossbow hunters. The reality is compound bow hunters have been taking 60-100 yard shots for ages. Even popular hunting celebrities like Tim Wells, Cam Hanes, and the guys at THP are applauded for it... But now that people are doing it with more effective equipment it's "unethical"? It's so easy to expose people that bash those for longer shots of their hypocrisy. Close range shots with traditional equipment are MUCH lower percentage shots than long range shots with a crossbow and that's proven both theoretically and practically.
@@seregill13 Not dramatic at all. Many states have already banned crossbows from archery season and some entirely. The main form of attack from anti-crossbow people is "These guys are taking long shots and wounding animals". When in reality Compound bow hunters were the ones that STARTED the whole long range shooting trend.
Rich, now that you are a saddle hunter, you can push out a few more yards on a target, simply by climbing higher in a tree. Climbing up between 20 to 30 ft would do the trick if the tree is on flat terrain. However, if you wish not to climb that high, you could pick a tree located on the side of a hill.
You can't hit a little Branch if there's no little branch, so I think every setup is different. But a lot can happen at that distance that's for sure, with the deer moving and whatnot! So I do agree it's risky.
Maybe this will explain why myself and others have seen so many deer running through the bush with a cross bow bolt sticking out of it's neck or ass during bow season? not joking! a few years ago i passed up a shot on a small buck early in the season which as a bow hunter i don't do very often. only to see a cross bow bolt sticking out of his neck when it went trotting by me after i let my bow down! shit happens but how could you miss that bad unless they were aiming for the neck. then a year or two later i had a friend from work who is not a hunter had a doe come running through they're back yard with a cross bow bolt sticking out of it's ass right by the sand box when the wife and small kids were outside. then shortly after two hunters with a crossbow came walking through their property. apparently his wife was not too happy and expressed it to them. i think most cross bow hunters are overconfident in their equipment and do not practice with it much. not all but most! and yea shooting at an alert deer from any distance with any kind of archery gear is always risky.
@@Deathbybunjie That's a shame! bow hunting has never been popular here in Canada most archers use a cross bow. and most people that don't hunt with a bow don't know the difference. rifle and shot gun hunters lose more game up here than anyone. for the same reason they don't get out and practice or if they do the shoot from a bench at the range not from a standing position. i think you are on the right track in saying this long range hunting is getting a bit much. bow or gun! Bill Wendzel and his brother have shot over 25 pope and young bucks each all with a recurve they said all of them were shot less than 20 yards with most kills within 10 yards!
That's why we have deer running around, arrows sticking out of their body or head! These hunter idiots can't aim with a bow or cross bow! All should be illegal!@@Deathbybunjie
The problem with long shots is human ignorance. Inexperienced hunters with a scoped crossbow think that they are carrying a rifle. Crossbows are still Archery equipment.
Shot my Indiana Doe this at 77 yards double lung she ran about 35 yards missed my buck at 32 yards no telling how far he ran. I practice and I’m comfortable with kill shots up to 90 yards with my RAVEN R29X. Respect the wild life too much to take a gamble past 90 yards 👊👍😎
Anyone who thinks a deer at 60 yds with a crossbow is ridicules is laughable! A 60 yd shot with a crossbow is more effective than a 30 yard shot with a recurve or compound
If your taking shots over 30 with any stick and string your not doing your job as a woodsman. Bow hunting is about how close you can get to your quarry, not how far you can shoot.
I get that! But I also don't think the same rules apply to all "stick and string." A 400fps crossbow and a 150 fps longbow are two different things, 100%.
Well, you can call it if you want, but you would be wrong. A 400 grain Arrow at 400 ft per second has over 140 foot pounds of kinetic energy at launch. Believe it or not, it still has over 120 ft lb of kinetic energy at 60 yards. In fact, it has over a hundred foot pounds of kinetic energy at 120 yards! Compare that to my old, slow crossbow shooting 305 ft per second with a 350 grain arrow? That crossbow never reaches 100 foot pounds of kinetic energy, pretty much ever. Not even heavy arrows get it to that point. So, modern crossbows are just different.
I know this video is over 6 months old, but long shots are not impressive. The goal of ever hunter is to make the cleanest most ethical kill. Their an obnoxious macho trends and long range in archery is one of those.
Kinda agree, but they have their place as an effective hunting technique. And long to you might not be to me. And long to me sure is not to sone others.
A $1300 scope doesn't mean you should be taking 50 yard shots with your Xbow. Your previous video with your $4000 setup proved that. The original videos used to be something to watch. This channel used to be great. Now not so much. Let's be honest the people watching this channel watched cause is was relevant to them, now all that is show cased is a $1300 scope and the advantage of it. 👎
The Garmin is 1300, this is 900 LOL. I hear what you're saying though. But keep in mind, one reason I upgraded was because my 2010 crossbow was simply NOT relevant...slower than 80% of viewers' crossbows, based on polls I did. Now, at 400 fps or so, I'm in the mix with viewers and thus, more "relevant." Big thing for me isn't "relevance" though, it's avoiding stagnation, which turns in to boredom, and would cause me to move on. I don't want to just keep shooting the same deer out of the same tree stands with the same crossbow forever. Nobody wants to see that.
Being able to shoot accurately at long range is only half the equation. What is the effective range of the broadhead/ bolt you are using? When your bolt gets to the animal will it have enough kinetic energy and momentum to penetrate adequately and kill cleanly? I’ve read that crossbow bolts lose velocity quickly. Just being able to hit a deer at long range isn’t enough.
That's a great question, and I should have mentioned it in this video like I did in other videos. Believe it or not, an arrow traveling at 400 ft per second weighing 400 grains, which is pretty common for modern crossbows, has about 140 foot pounds of kinetic energy at launch. At 70 yards it still has over 120 foot pounds of kinetic energy! So there's plenty of energy at distance. That's simply not the problem. Keep in mind that my original crossbow at 300 ft per second, only had 72 foot pounds of kinetic energy at launch! Modern crossbows are simply a whole different animal.
Very similar with bullets.
Yes a crossbow does lose velocity very quickly and many do not acknowledge this fact however a very up to date modern crossbow like the death stalker 💯 is not a worry at 60 yards or even beyond. But the velocity is also only a factor when using light weight bolts. There is always a trade off in this game and we are never as efficient as vertical. But we can lose some speed/ velocity for a more consistent speed velocity and more momentum to pass through. Its really a what do you want and how do you achieve it while also what does my crossbow like lol. Its a fun thing if it interests you but i will certainly say for most shooters yes high speed equals high loss of speed too. We really are more like a handgun ballistics than a rifle while the vertical is the rifle. Simply because draw length would equate to barrel length. Everything has efficiency but everything also becomes a point of diminishing return when efficiency is maxed out.
Rifles and cartridges are truly under some different equations in truth.
If shooting the Nitro 505 crossbow with a 530 grain arrow, you can start out with 465-470 fps.
At 60 yards your down to 440-445 fps. In regards to crossbow ranges that doesn’t seem to be a dramatic loss of speed. I can’t even tell you how much energy that is because it makes me pass out.
One big enemy of the crossbow hunter is time. “Time of flight.”
Can the arrow get there before the animal moves or conditions change?
@@douglasborgaro6801 yes but i was just merely stating from a distance factor only. In comparison that is somewhat comparable to the archery world. A huge misconception is that the crossbow is the longer range archery weapon and that is false the bow is the longer range weapon.
Rich, I have a 100 yd plus backyard.... LOL. I practice at 50 - 60 yds regularly. That said, I limit my shots on live game to 35 yards or less. I'm not going to judge others. If they're comfortable beyond those distances have at it. For me enough can go wrong within my comfort zone and I prefer high percentage shots. To each their own but know your limits and respect the animals you hunt!
That's just it. Your not respecting them shooting 60 plus yards.
I`m thinking 40 yrds. to 50 yrds and that`s it I have sighted in at 60 I don`t believe I will go over 50. Enjoyed it Rich
I try to keep my shots to 30 yards or less, even with faster, modern crossbows. In the past, I have taken a few shots at longer distances; some were successful, but others didn't work out, so from now on, I want to be confident that I'm going to get a kill shot.
When I hunted Deer with my Compound Bow, I set a maximum distance of 30 yds.
We had an epidemic of long shots at our hunting club this year! Oddly enough, it was the more experienced hunters who did this because they were "such great shots at 50-60 yards ". They completely failed to consider the extra time the deer has to move! One trophy shot in the ham but recovered too late to save the meat. Another trophy wounded but lost. A third buck was missed completely (at least that's the story we got). Never shoot beyond 40 yards!
Thank you for posting that James. Keep it in at 30 yards for the fast Crossbow should be all right. Crossbows are not guns substitute. Wounding animals sucks for the hunters ego but more so the animal suffers unnecessarily. Get her done first time with proper shot placement that means up close.Have a great day.
new sub and new cross bow shooter, definitely not new to archery hunting, numerous surgeries on my dominant arm and shoulder decided this for me. Loving your videos! thank you
The cone of uncertainty is hilarious because it’s so TRUE! 😂! Now hunters remember, if anything can go wrong it will go wrong at the worst possible moment! Enjoy! 🏹🦌🏹🦌
Looonnnnnng shots are only ethical on paper targets. Even at 500+ fps a deer can duck several inches out at 60+ yards and that can mean a wounded deer. The problem is the ability of the deer (even when they seem calm) to react to the sound of the crossbow enough to move the point of intended impact several inches at even 60 yards with a 500+fps crossbow. Until we get crossbow speed beyond the speed of sound (1125 fps) we will continue to have this issue. I can regularly hit a pop can at 100 yards on a calm day with any of my crosswbows but I don't shoot anywhere near that far at deer.
Actually if you go watch the studies that have been done with over 400 fps a deer at 40 yards can’t duck an arrow. There haven’t been enough studies with the latest and greatest 500 fps bows but I’d bet 50-60 yards is easily achieved.
@@1hunterdale If you watch the videos available you'll see that some stay nearly motionless while others drop several inches. I've seen many of both and experienced both
@@thomas9565 Depends on the deer being filmed. Some stay nearly motionless while others drop several inches. I've seen many of both and experienced both
I had one duck my arrow at 32 yards this year. So I know some of you are full of shit. My crossbows over 400 fps. Eventually there will be bunch of dumb rules written cause dumb ass people will keep shooting and wounding deer.
That's why with my vertical compound bow at shots between 40-50 yards I aim at the bottom 1/4 of the deer's chest cavity so ig he drops 6-10" I'll still double lung him
I'm working my way through ALL your videos Counselor. This is a good one. 40yrds, that seems to be a universal max as the "excepted" max range. Realistically however, crossbow hunting (to me) is bowhunting with a horizontal tool so 30yrds is the regular comfort zone for most, 40 max for some as a general rule. I've scored at 40+ but if you need to shoot past 40yrds (with exceptions based on your skill) you need to focus more on hunting skills, not shooting skills. Even 500fps bows can be "string jumped" at 50yrds+. The "drop" is a real thing. Crossbows are still a close range tool. Appreciate your enthusiasm and videos Esquire.
I have the same bow and scope you have. I practice out to 80yds all the time. But that's not because I'm going to shoot at an animal at that distance. However, if you practice at those longer distances, the 30 and 40yd shots are easy!
40 and in is a very fair rule I think; past 50 thing’s definitely get sketchy
I have hunted archery over 40 years. Several years ago i squeaked a coyote into 40 yards. I tok my shot, by the time the arrow arrived and he had spun and run several yards.
Taking my crossbow hunting for the first time I've had it in the closet for 3 years regular old recurve I finally get to go on my first real hunt after a deer thank you for being so much inspiration and I've been watching forever now been gone for a little while came back and your shoes hotter than ever keep up the great work man and ... all hail bungee
Thanks, good luck out there!
Love my Burris Oracle X scope but my zone of confidence is maxed out at 40 yards. I know I can hit my practice target at 60 yards but i have no confidence in that distance shooting at deer. My crossbow is a KI Swat X1 so it can easily hit the distances past 40 yards.
3 days left in the 2022 season of awesome and what a year its been, fun hunting and fun from success 4th year of crossbow hunting and havnt fired my deer rifle in that period of time, even to sight it in. Crossbow hunting is truely the balls. All Hale Bungie !!!!
LOL that's great to hear good luck out there!
I have only ever shot 4 deer. 2 with my inline muzzleloader at 60 and 80 yards and 2 this year with my crossbow at 28 and 50 yards. Tree stand with rangefinder and centerpoiny heat 425. 150 grain swhacker.
Lumix speed ring. Deer bedded down under fallen tree that was 50 yards away. Watched it for 3 hours. Got up 4 times. Decided to take the shot the last time deer had no clue and was just standing there. Hit heart.
Good video Rich and coming from you it carries a lot of credibility and weight to the subject! One of the Regional Water Authority hunts I've participated in specifically instructs all who participate in this hunt to not shoot beyond 25 yards, regardless of weapon, crossbow, or compound! I missed a buck at 15 yards once because the arrow deflected off a branch which of course I didn't see!
Let me reiterate... it doesn't matter if you can shoot a mosquito at 100 yards. Unless you're shooting at Mach 1 speed (1100 fps), the deer will hear the shot before the arrow arrives and they'll start leaving.
But they don't "disappear" when the sound gets there...they have to react and drop, which all takes time. You are way oversimplifying it LOL. If it was as simple as you make it out to be, then we'll simply couldn't ever kill anything with archery equipment.
I’ve gotten 2 buck with my crossbow. One at 46 yards and one at 48 yards. They were made from a 20 ft tree stand. I think that being in a stand there’s no, “drop.” The bolt goes exactly where it’s aimed. I’m pretty sure I never would be able to be that accurate on the ground.
Great video Rich.
My number one concern when shooting long distance with my Ravin Crossbow is String Jumping. Even at 420 fps……It’s a real concern.
I also want to touch on what you said about hoping not being a good strategy….that not only goes for shot selection but also for stand or blind location. Be in your location for a reason wether it be hot sign, camera pictures, food or bedding; not simply because you killed a deer there before or because it “looks good”
Man, I agree on that! Yesterday I just finished reading and editing Chapter 3 of my book for the audiobook. That is part of that chapter. Great point!
@@Deathbybunjie absolutely! I need to checkout your second book
This year we were hunting on a gas line right of way about 60yds apart. My friend shot a doe and I actually heard the arrow hit the deer before I heard the noise of the bow going off. So it seems that the jumping the string has been minimal with these faster speeds.
nothing changes anything for me....50 yds max with my crossbow if no wind and perfect conditions....but honestly 40 is more my comfort zone.....people should watch slo motion videos of bow and even crossbows to see how much they can be off with just a little wind.....the arc, the left and right.
My Horton fury is rated at 360fps, I shoot quality Black eagle executioner bolts with 100grn Toxic broadheads backed by 100grn of extra FACT weights. I shoot consistent groups at 60yds and it hits hard!
Compound bows 30 to 40 yards is very common shots
72 yards my longest shot. Tenpoint Flatline 460 with a 450gr 16" bolt. No wind 6am . Almost perfect conditions. My longest before that was 28 yards. And i wouldn't go passed that 70 mark. 50 yards should be max for 400 fps bows. Bows in the 430-515 fps i believe 70 yards should be absolutely the max.
What ever is comfortable is the shot I'm taking
From tree stands with Tenpoint Viper 430; comfortable up to 30 yards. With shooting rest up to 50 yards.
Sounds good to me!
Great video Rich! Thorough as usual. 👍 Loving that coral string! 😉🤣
Bwahahaha on the string haha
I agree with what you said. I hunt with a crowsbow, but have NEVER took a shot at an animal past 40yards. It is not that I can't shoot any farther, my friends and I love to go to our range and see who can hit the target at the farthest distance. It is due to the fact that I hate shooting any animal and not getting a kill shot.
Just ordered your book. Confessions of a crossbow hunter. Should be here Thursday
That's great to hear, I hope you really enjoy it! That's my introduction to crossbows lol. It's a pretty easy read I'm hoping. The new book, The Death by Bunjie Crossbow Method, is pretty intense in comparison haha. Thanks again! Good luck out there!
It is a great read so is strategies for crossbow hunting. I hope you enjoy them as much as i did.
@@Deathbybunjie wow let is when that one is ready for sale really excited for that book.
@@chrisruzsa2798 both books are on Amazon.com now, audiobook for the new book should be out by the end of the year
@@Deathbybunjie oh sweet i will definitely be buying that one in audio.
You should try the ATN X-sight 4k pro with the ABL. You can record all of your shots and the ABL will range your shots for you with rifle or crossbow.
Practice and knowing your equipment applies even to guns. You can’t pull a gun out of a box and be accurate, most of the time.
Practice makes perfect and for consistency
It's not just the distance but the angle of the shot. For simple bows it's a big deal esp. if you move around the target and shoot.
I shoot more than most compound shooters lol. My zone of confidence with my matrix 380 is 40 yards the speed is 350fps with a 410gr arrow.
I have no interest in shooting at a deer past 30 lol. 40 is max for me. No bashing anyone for the way they choose
To hunt just my thoughts here. Another great video Rich! Practice makes perfect.
Great vid Rich. 👍😃✌️🇺🇸
Well if we're being honest with ourselves, you've always said, "Shooting your own comfort level."
Comfort is not a true quantifier, as, it's opinion based.
I've done a lot of videos on deer jumping the string, so it's based on more than comfort, though.
My longest shot was around 35 yards. My stand is on a hemlock patch overlooking a hardwood opening. There's a path 45 yards out my left window that deer are constantly coming out of. Most of them continue straight ahead. If a monster buck comes out and it don't turn in my direction, I might have to test that distance. 🤔
I practice at 40yds & 60yds. I’ve hit a deer at 52 yds but I was over 20’ in a tree stand. Guess it’s what your comfortable with.
I always thought you were single, never seen or heard u mention her. You should bring on Mrs bunji. The brains behind it all. Lol
LOL she's in a couple of videos here and there
Bought new heat 425 itll split arrows at 50yrds.my old crossbow I numbered arrows 1,2,3
I think that practice at long range improves shooting at all ranges. I still don't take long shots even though I practice at long ranges.
I used to take 40 yard shots but I'm staying at 30 and under from now on. Too many deer ducking the string at 40 yards
Most of my shots have been 20 - 25 just because of where I hunt and with my 10 year old crossbow with sub 300fps I've never seen any of those deer jump the shot at those ranges. But with that same xbow I have if I shot at 40 - 50 I believe they would have the ability to jump my shot.
The question about long shots is something that can be directed at me some times when shooting the Nitro 505.
I do not consider myself a long distance crossbow shooter. Do I think the 505 will take a deer at 60+ yards. Yes I think it would. But 50 yards or less is my range.
I have always practice /my greatest fear is wounding a animal and not bring able to find it /if it's past 40 yards I don't shoot it's tough to let a deer go but I confident up to there and that it's /I always chk my yardages earlier in the season so I know them
Got a 6 point on 12/5, double lunged him at 20 yds, the close shot was successful compared to my 50 yd miss
That's awesome, congratulations!
How big magnification for long shots will it be nice to have? I guess it will help with more precise shot placement. Thanks
The only problem with zooming in for those long distance shots is that if you zoom in too far, there isn't enough room in the lens to show all of the reticles. You have to zoom out to get dots at those long range distances. It's going to vary from one crossbow speed to another.
Iv taken deer mainly mule deer out to 80-100 yards with my x bow. Then again I know people that do that up here with compounds.
By far and away the BEST advice in your video is "Shoot more deer." I could not agree more. Why do basketball players endlessly shoot free throw drills? It's a close up, straight on EASY shot to make but coaches insist on lots of free throw practice. They know that if you get skilled at making a basket....any basket...that the techniques and confidence will carry forward into other shooting situations. Same thing with shoot any archery equipment for deer.
I'm not saying just practice on a stuffed target but saying the shots you need to practice most are those you get a chance to take on live deer. I consider myself to be extremely good with my crossbow, in fact, I rarely miss on any type shot....on a stuffed target that is. But earlier this season a big doe stood in fading light at the end of legal shooting hours about 25 yard straight out from my stand. She was still and broadside across an open food plot. What could possibly go wrong?
I aimed correctly, fired properly, and watched the deer react. She was at full alert facing me so when the crossbow fired, she reacted at maximum speed, dropping a little and whirling back around to run the way she came. My arrow's bright little light was stuck up in the ground where the deer had been just gleefully glowing at me saying "You missed!" Deer can move with incredible speed.
I have shot my crossbow at greater distances this year in my practice shooting simply to be ready if and when a responsible shot opportunity arises to take a deer at a little longer distance. My equipment can do the job easily. But given the ability of a deer to be evasive, I would still only take a shot at long distance when the situation was in my favor.
Except for the zombie with the angel above his head that kept popping in and out of the side of the video frame, this was a good educational video about the factors to consider in attempting a longer distance shot.
Great comments and I agree, if people decide to reach out with longer distances, take it slow and shoot more deer, evaluate that behavior as you go forward that's for sure. Oh, and you don't like Fred? Haha.
I love my Burris oracle x so much that I got the eliminator 4 for my rifle 😂😂😂
That's the biggest problem with these scopes, you have to have one on everything you use and it gets pretty expensive pretty fast haha
Rich, what 3d target is that you're using? Looks about the size of the deer where I hunt.
I'm pretty sure that's a Rhinehart, lol
I seen a buck that would refuse to come in beyond 50 yards. Even though I wanted it. I chosen not to take the shot.
Nothing wrong with that!
Love your T-shirt,how much is it?
They are on deathbybunjie.com but don't buy one until next week because they are going on sale, the next video will announce the sale! Thanks for your interest!
Deer react faster to noises that are close to them. I keep my shots 30 and under. I have a Scorpyd thats going 450fps snd have been testing the deer on my range. When they are 80 to 120 yards out they dont even flinch when I shoot. They run when the arrow hits the target. Im sure my range deer are not typical woods deer you will encounter everywhere else. Im sure they are accustomed to my shooting every day. I build rifles and shoot on my private range very often. Deer will come out and feed minutes after shooting stops. Just neat to see how little reaction there is from them when they are farther away. My crossbow it pretty loud too. Much louder than a Death stalker. Not a bunch faster either for as much more noise it makes. To do it over I would probably get a DS instead. My micro suppressor 355 only gets 320 with the arrows i use. Its killed every deer I shot so far. Longest 30 yards. As far as the long range goes I believe there is a window from 30 to 80 yards or so that deer do react to the shot fast and can move before the arrow gets there. Just observing my deer once past 80 they dont react at all. When I say my deer I mean the ones on my range. These are wild deer not fenced in. Be nice to see some testing done on this subject. My state doesn’t allow field points in the woods while hunting. But I would love to see how the deer at 80 to 100 react to a shot in my food plots. There are videos from a guy shooting deer at 60 yards and they seem to get hit before they move. He is shooting a Scorpyd also.
Great comments here, thank you, I agree at some point it probably is more about volume and the type of sound it is than it is just the fact that the sound was made. At distance I don't think they'll react the same as how they do close up but I'm not aware of any actual evidence of that of course. Other than videos we've watched.
A few years back, I was scouting for moose in an area where it was Bow/arrow only for a few weeks. MYSELF, I am not a bow hunting. ANYWAY, 4 moose I seen with arrows sticking out of them.... I guess that's OK according to fish and wild life
Proper shot with a crossbow in this day and age should not end up that way
30 to 35 yards are my maximum
I love a 5 you 10 yard adrenaline rush shot 😅
Ethical issues of being a responsible sportsmen
Nothing wrong with that, but keep in mind for years 25 yards was my maximum and I would have thought 30 to 35 yards was risky. To each his own, based on skill and experience and equipment.
Under 30 yards. With most shots closer to 20 yards. At 30 yards they can drop or take a short step and if lucky you get liver…
Still a 30 yard guy, maybe 40. Probably never ever take longer shot but a giant 200 lb Buck ? Damn tempting.
Big buck, big Target LOL
@@Deathbybunjie Not sure how stable my no long shot gimmick would hold up with the big buck temptation. Lucky for me the devil has not dangled that one in front of me !
I've been following you for a few years now ( I want to get a Scorpyd crossbow too) and with your new crossbow you are shooting a markedly faster arrow. However I don't see you stressing enough on keeping the shot distance within a "short" range. Something like 40 to 50 yards as a maximum? My reasoning is as follows.
I know your arrow is travelling much faster than one from the original Bunjie. However deer reflexes are still the same as they have been for, probably, a few centuries. Maybe even a few millenia. Deer can, and WILL, move once the sound of the shot reaches them. They are primed to jump whenever they hear a sound they don't recognize. Especially a short, loud thump or twang sound.
With the current arrow speeds out to about 40 or 50 yards the arrow can reach them before they have time to react enough to create a miss or to make the shot placement poor. Beyond that range they have lots of opportunity to move enough to really mess up an otherwise perfectly placed (planned?) shot. No matter what crossbow one is shooting, 400 or 500 fps, one needs to keep the range close enough to ensure a clean, ethical kill. Which means keep the distance short enough that the arrow can get to them before they can reflexively move.
Well I did say twice in this video that closer is better lol but I get what you're saying. I done a lot of videos on deer ducking the string because it was a problem I faced with that older slower crossbow all the time. Yes, it's still a problem with a faster crossbow, at certain distances. That's really what I'm exploring in this series of videos. Check out this one for starters: th-cam.com/video/-ZzzKYiO9LU/w-d-xo.html
@@Deathbybunjie Thank you. I remember that video and quickly reviewed it today. As always, nicely done.
Very, very good points. But this is exactly where shot placement come in and where to aim. I always aim the Vital V for the heart. 10-50 yards. Always all the time. I use a heavy bolt to account for a what if deer moves this way and i hit shoulder. No problem i will go through both shoulders. Deer ducks its vitals and major blood vessels. Deer stands still with a big cut head its heart and front lobes of the lungs. Deer springs forwards its still centre mass lungs and or just the back. This is where it’s important to have the plan B arrow or bolt as the plan A. And as always a clean miss is always preferred over a bad hit and a wounded deer. This is where having a big cut mechanical with a heavy weight comes in. If something should happen and go horribly wrong like not being perfectly levelled and slightly canted and you hit bad…. Not everyone’s setup will be a passthrough or a big enough cut to make a kill. Yes closer is better but this is why aim point and arrow bolt setups matter. Deer can move at 10 yards and duck too if conditions are right for it. The likely hood is slim but never none.
Say what you will but shots by compound vertical bow hunters out west of 50-60 yards are very common these days as out west bow hunting for white tailed deer but especially Mule deer spot and stalk are way way more common than stand hunting and I personally see no issues with taking a 50-60 yard shot with a vertical compound d bow if conditions are acceptable and your abilities as an archer and your equipment are both truthfully up to it
I have personally killed enough deer at 40-45 yard shots with my vertical compound bow to know it is absolutely doable
I will grant you though my vertical compound bow is very significantly more quiet at the shot than a crossbow
50 yards with my vertical compound bow is my personal shot limit only because I have no where I can regularly practice beyond 60 yards and my personal rules are I must be absolutely dead on 10 yards past my personal limit to shoot that far
So to shoot past 50 yards I must have access to a 70 yard range I can get to 4-5× a week and unfortunately I do not
The longest range I can shoot to safely is 60 yards
And the reason I absolutely love Wasp Boss SST FBBH's is because they fly over 90% as well as FP's and are just scary scary hair popping sharp ROOTB and 9/10 have spin tested perfectly for me and zip through deer even at 45 yards like their made out of a sheet of wet paper
Not advocating irresponsible shots with a crossbow just saying long shots with modern vertical archery equipment are very doable
In a stark contrast NEVER hit and lost a deer I shot between 30 and 45 yards
Only three deer I hit I failed to recover were all shot at under 25 yards all were because my arrows hot something in flight resulting in a poor hit
And when I take a shot over 30 yards I purposely aim at the bottom 1/4 of the deer's chest so if he does drop the string Ill still most likely double lung him and I will not take a shot over 30 yards without LRF the deer as under 30 with my vert/cb 5-25yrds I need only one pin
I have two crossbows enroute to me
I will do much testing to see if shots between 40 and 50 yards have the same potential to be successful as with my vert/cb bow and decided from their.
Rich, I have the Oricle x on my Bear Constrictor. I cannot find a cover for the scope. Where did you find yours? Thanks.
I think he talks about it in a video when he first got it. It's called a scope slicker
Yep, scope slicker... www.deathbybunjie.com/gear/2022/6/19/is-the-burris-oracle-x-a-game-changer-of-a-scope
@@Deathbybunjie Thanks Rich.
Speed is impressive but accuracy kills!
Faster is more accurate than slower.
Did not know that
My crossbow shoots 400fps and I'm not shooting pass 40 yards.
Every hunter has to live with the shot he or she take's. I don't want shooters remorse after making a bad decision that turned into a bad shot.
I don’t know I really stand by the fact that we should not ever be exceeding that 50 yard max (unless necessary survival or war.) Sure practice at longer to make that shot and in that much better but never take an animal with it. I really stand by this. We are not rifles we are archery we should stand by that principle. Just like its unethical for compound guys to exceed it and most do hell few even do a hundred with their vertical bow and its just not appropriate. I do know that the death stalker can certainly do the kill at longer ranges without worry i get that but still we are a close range weapon. Always will be. I think it’s absolutely fantastic that crossbows made a huge advancement from what they used to be, we are now in war bow category and its about time lol. But still i am just glad you had a successful long shot kill and recovery. I know how horrible you’d feel if something went wrong and you did not get the recovery. Rich like everything the more you do it the more likely one day something will go wrong. At least if 30 is the new 20 than 50 is the new 40 and thats where we should really stay. Its less for things to go wrong its a 99.99 percent chance of always a pass through even on a shoulder blade without fear, its less affected by wind and other elements but when you start to go past that you bring all these back into the equation and even more the earth’s rotation at certain distances now becomes a factor.
How do you get your book?
amzn.to/3iHO8Vm that's the new one
amzn.to/3PiVM4E and that's my first one, thanks for your interest!
My longest shot was 70yds. Biggest buck i ever seen, i hit him with a clean pass. Don’t understand where I went wrong but he got away. Tracked for almost 4hrs and lost the trail in an open field. I was sick about it for days, heck im still sick about it now. I won’t be doing that again. I hate the feeling of only wounding an animal. I use a Ravin R26 stock scope.
Thank you for your honesty about taking that long shot and having some time to recover your dear. I believe these comments are good for newcomers to the sport. We don’t need people repeating mistakes if we can help it. Have a great day
Is that your new son-in-law standing behind you???
Geez, I hope not LOL
Some peope think they can reliably hunt at 500 yards plus with rifles. Very few can, even with a $10,000 rifle.
I dont take shots past 40 yards archery or crossbow.
Not overstepping here, but I can crush a 4 inch circle 10 times out of 10 at 500 yards with my rifle. The people who can't, shouldn't, but the people who can... it's not even kinda hard. It's all about disapline and rounds down range. When I was 17 my old man told me I could shoot a 4 inch circle at 300 yards with my oump 30-06 and 5 power scope. We bet $100. I got $100 richer that day and it only cost me 1 25 cent federal blue box round.
This new disdain for extended range is nothing but another attack on crossbow hunters. The reality is compound bow hunters have been taking 60-100 yard shots for ages. Even popular hunting celebrities like Tim Wells, Cam Hanes, and the guys at THP are applauded for it... But now that people are doing it with more effective equipment it's "unethical"? It's so easy to expose people that bash those for longer shots of their hypocrisy. Close range shots with traditional equipment are MUCH lower percentage shots than long range shots with a crossbow and that's proven both theoretically and practically.
Calling it a attack is fairly dramatic.
@@seregill13 Not dramatic at all. Many states have already banned crossbows from archery season and some entirely. The main form of attack from anti-crossbow people is "These guys are taking long shots and wounding animals". When in reality Compound bow hunters were the ones that STARTED the whole long range shooting trend.
Rich, now that you are a saddle hunter, you can push out a few more yards on a target, simply by climbing higher in a tree. Climbing up between 20 to 30 ft would do the trick if the tree is on flat terrain. However, if you wish not to climb that high, you could pick a tree located on the side of a hill.
Its ignorent to shoot at a deer over 60. You can hit a little branch or somthing at 20 that deflect. Let alone 60 plus.
You can't hit a little Branch if there's no little branch, so I think every setup is different. But a lot can happen at that distance that's for sure, with the deer moving and whatnot! So I do agree it's risky.
20 to 30 yards max I won't take a longer shot with a crossbow or a compound bow just my opinion on that
If you are only taking 30yd shots I wouldn't buy a crossbow, not what they are designed for
Forty yards is as far as I'll shoot my ten point titen.
Maybe this will explain why myself and others have seen so many deer running through the bush with a cross bow bolt sticking out of it's neck or ass during bow season? not joking! a few years ago i passed up a shot on a small buck early in the season which as a bow hunter i don't do very often. only to see a cross bow bolt sticking out of his neck when it went trotting by me after i let my bow down! shit happens but how could you miss that bad unless they were aiming for the neck. then a year or two later i had a friend from work who is not a hunter had a doe come running through they're back yard with a cross bow bolt sticking out of it's ass right by the sand box when the wife and small kids were outside. then shortly after two hunters with a crossbow came walking through their property. apparently his wife was not too happy and expressed it to them. i think most cross bow hunters are overconfident in their equipment and do not practice with it much. not all but most! and yea shooting at an alert deer from any distance with any kind of archery gear is always risky.
I saw injured deer with arrows long before crossbows were popular, and I've seen a lot of them during rifle season even.
@@Deathbybunjie That's a shame! bow hunting has never been popular here in Canada most archers use a cross bow. and most people that don't hunt with a bow don't know the difference. rifle and shot gun hunters lose more game up here than anyone. for the same reason they don't get out and practice or if they do the shoot from a bench at the range not from a standing position. i think you are on the right track in saying this long range hunting is getting a bit much. bow or gun! Bill Wendzel and his brother have shot over 25 pope and young bucks each all with a recurve they said all of them were shot less than 20 yards with most kills within 10 yards!
I thought, it's illegal cross bow hunting?
😯😯
About half the states have full inclusion now
I guess, states need more revenues from hunting?@@Deathbybunjie
@@szaki well, that and freedom
That's why we have deer running around, arrows sticking out of their body or head!
These hunter idiots can't aim with a bow or cross bow!
All should be illegal!@@Deathbybunjie
The problem with long shots is human ignorance. Inexperienced hunters with a scoped crossbow think that they are carrying a rifle. Crossbows are still Archery equipment.
Absolutely agree thank you for posting
Also experienced hunters that get over confident
Shot my Indiana Doe this at 77 yards double lung she ran about 35 yards missed my buck at 32 yards no telling how far he ran. I practice and I’m comfortable with kill shots up to 90 yards with my RAVEN R29X. Respect the wild life too much to take a gamble past 90 yards 👊👍😎
Anyone who thinks a deer at 60 yds with a crossbow is ridicules is laughable! A 60 yd shot with a crossbow is more effective than a 30 yard shot with a recurve or compound
If your taking shots over 30 with any stick and string your not doing your job as a woodsman. Bow hunting is about how close you can get to your quarry, not how far you can shoot.
I get that! But I also don't think the same rules apply to all "stick and string." A 400fps crossbow and a 150 fps longbow are two different things, 100%.
I call bullshit! Bolts lose kinetic energy way to fast!
Well, you can call it if you want, but you would be wrong. A 400 grain Arrow at 400 ft per second has over 140 foot pounds of kinetic energy at launch. Believe it or not, it still has over 120 ft lb of kinetic energy at 60 yards. In fact, it has over a hundred foot pounds of kinetic energy at 120 yards! Compare that to my old, slow crossbow shooting 305 ft per second with a 350 grain arrow? That crossbow never reaches 100 foot pounds of kinetic energy, pretty much ever. Not even heavy arrows get it to that point. So, modern crossbows are just different.
I know this video is over 6 months old, but long shots are not impressive. The goal of ever hunter is to make the cleanest most ethical kill. Their an obnoxious macho trends and long range in archery is one of those.
Kinda agree, but they have their place as an effective hunting technique. And long to you might not be to me. And long to me sure is not to sone others.
Too much talkkng
Too many "k"s lol 😆
A $1300 scope doesn't mean you should be taking 50 yard shots with your Xbow. Your previous video with your $4000 setup proved that. The original videos used to be something to watch. This channel used to be great. Now not so much. Let's be honest the people watching this channel watched cause is was relevant to them, now all that is show cased is a $1300 scope and the advantage of it. 👎
The Garmin is 1300, this is 900 LOL. I hear what you're saying though. But keep in mind, one reason I upgraded was because my 2010 crossbow was simply NOT relevant...slower than 80% of viewers' crossbows, based on polls I did. Now, at 400 fps or so, I'm in the mix with viewers and thus, more "relevant." Big thing for me isn't "relevance" though, it's avoiding stagnation, which turns in to boredom, and would cause me to move on. I don't want to just keep shooting the same deer out of the same tree stands with the same crossbow forever. Nobody wants to see that.
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