ENGINEER EXPLAINS 2022 TOYOTA TUNDRA TURBO/WASTEGATE ISSUE - 7 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW
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- Automotive Engineer David Chao has created this video in response to many of you who asked about the potential issue with 2022 Tundra's turbo/wastegate. What exactly is the issue? David explains in "everyday language" the situation with the wastegate/actuator and summarizes the video with "7 things you need to know about this issue."
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, consulting, and strategy. David is known around the world as an authentic specialist of Lean Thinking or Toyota Production System. Born and raised in Japan, David has an engineering degree from University of British Columbia and post-graduate education from MIT and Harvard Business School in Boston.
Thank you everyone for your honest comments and feedback. But please be respectful as I am simply trying my best to share as much insight as possible and stay neutral so that you understand what is currently going on with the new Tundra. I welcome comments on both sides of the fence but let's be professional in how we convey our emotions about this potential issue. And since I am not in front of the actual Tundra with the issues, I also cannot confirm or verify the actual problem that the owners might be experiencing. I can only deduce insights based on the facebook/tundra forums which may or may not be accurate. By the way, as a side note, removing the cab from the chassis for engine repair is a common practice that is not difficult to do. If you would like me to continue covering important - but often controversial - topics then please let me know in the comment section. I really don't want to back off from talking about sensitive issues but if videos like this become the "hotbed" for non-productive arguments, I may have to re-think about future videos. Anyhow, thank you again for watching.
David - I appreciate you. Please do continue to cover and report important and controversial topics like this one on the new Tundra. Thank you!
Thank you..for all your hard work and for being neutral.. in all seriousness this issue was just the average teething problems with a redesign.. it's more important what the manufacturer does to fix issues then what the issue may or may not be..I wouldn't hesitate to buy any model of Toyota..which can't be said about other manufacturers currently..
Well said. I have a 2022 tundra. 1600 miles and use it for work. I tow a trailer behind me. Everything about this truck with me current experience has only been great. I hope for those that have been going through this issue get it resolved and get back in there awesome truck soon.
Thank you for all your info David , truly appreciate it . I wanted to confirm something though , do we know how different the Hybrid engine is compared to the regular one ? I'm curious if the Hybrid has the same parts that are having the issues now.
@@MrTe3 Not exactly what you are asking but based off what a Toyota engineer stated..the internals of the transmission are heavy duty and the rear differential is heavy duty as well on the hybrid model to handle the extra torque of the electric motor..583 lbs of torque..perhaps David can speak about this matter..as well as answer your question..
My lizard brain says keep things simple
First year problems, always a good thing to wait on a new model.
Well what i can say is that, Toyota is very good about resolving & putting permanent fixes to their issues unlike THE DOMESTIC BIG 3!!!
If only 10 people were affected…. They should be able to pull 10 turbos from the manufacturing plant. Customer should come first.
Wow you have to totally take the cab off I wonder what an out of warranty fix would cost.
I understand that you're saying that it's not the turbocharger itself, but rather the waste-gate actuator - but then you go on to say it's an integrated unit which requires replacement of the turbocharger, which basically means - it's a turbocharger issue!
Part of the ownership experience is consideration of the ease of serviceability. That the entire cab needs removed to replace the turbocharger is a huge concern to me because things taken apart are usually never the same. There's always "extra" bolts and clips that are leftover or broken during the repair. And even if it goes back together OK once, how many things will this design require that cab-off fix? I can't image that process is anything but very expensive and at some point, owners will be paying out of pocket for it.
You assured us that all this added complexity would not impact Tundra reliability because Toyota's development and production process is almost perfect. I think this issue shows that no matter how good the process may be, if you start adding extra parts to an engine, those parts are just another potential point of failure.
I like Davids videos but I think because he used to work for Toyota he defends them a little to much. What ever the problem is with the new Tundra if I were a owner who just payed $70000 for this truck and had this issue I would be pissed
True
@@naveenthemachine Yes and also the first year (2016)Gen 3 Tacoma which I own. Mainly the gear hunting and Transmission surging in the 6 speed automatic so far I only had the constant gear hunting which I regeared to 4:88 which solved the problem .Also there are some that have fuel pump issues
@@luchaDor THAT thought, that it is possible that a failed turbo trashes the whole engine, didn't reassure me at all! Is that really a possible scenario if (any part) of the turbo fails?
My Toyota service department couldn't help me fix my auto tilting reverse side view mirrors. Weather it was laziness or incompetent if a problem of this magnitude to arise I have zero confidence my dealer could even fix it or fix it well or even want to. My dealer service department seems to like to fix recalls where they get some grand incentives but to identify an issue and maybe having to chase the issue they aren't too enthusiastic.
It’s not just 5 or 6 tundras, it’s most of them!! I got mine on New Years eve and it’s at the dealership since 1/10/22 with its cab of the frame. My father got his few days ago and it has a check engine light!! Now I regret trading in my 2020 TRD sport for the new one. I have a construction company and need a pickup truck everyday, Toyota gave me a Camry as a loaner, but I still have to rent a pickup truck from rental company! And they won’t reimburse me for that which is 600$ a week!! Toyota had 15 years to make this right and they failed big time!!
My family had Toyotas since I can remember, Highlanders, Camrys, tundras, siennas, all of them were trouble free for the 100-150k miles!!
Edit:
Dealer I bought my Truck from Sold 34 tundras since they got them, 8 of them are at the service as I’m writing this with the same problem! Just got me dads tundra to the dealer!! Estimated repair time is 6-8 weeks!!
That sucks We all new there might be growing pains but not this big
Sorry that you're going through that brother. That's a real world problem that can't be explained away by the Corporate Communications department.
Could you force them to buy the truck back?
@@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw i’m in the process of trying to do that and get my old one back since they didn’t sell it yet!
Toyota should just buy the trucks back in good faith or give you a Tacoma.
Expecting a Scotty Kilmer video “ I was RIGHT about the new Tundra.” LoL
Once he called those supercharged engines as fart sniffers. 😊
He knew this very well , so keep listening to Scotty.
True lmao
Wait what did he say about them? I've actually been looking for this?
@@blackericdenice 😂😂😂
Great video. Horrible attempt at estimating effect size. He says 10,000 trucks have been produced and only a few have this issue. Of the 10,000 produced Toyota has huge quantities of those on QC hold meaning they haven’t been delivered. No idea how many of those have these issue. Also not all owners report on public forums. So saying it’s so a low percentage of trucks affected was a huge over reach. Only Toyota knows.
We're going backwards.
@@naveenthemachine they should make them easier access to change turbos (without removing the cabs) since they will be problematic in the future!!
Electric wastegate - a software issue or whatever it is a Maintenance money pit. Diesels are the only 'turbocharged' engines I would buy, every Gas turbo is a disaster.
2023 Toyota Tundra needs to have a V8, Now we know the cab has to come off to change the turbos which will be the first thing to go on that truck. That will be an expensive repair if you keep your truck Beyond 100 or 150,000 miles. V8 No Turbo
For the last 20 years, I wouldn't even consider any vehicle that wasn't a Honda or Toyota. This is starting to change my mind. I have always consciously avoided turbocharged vehicles, and this video reinforces that decision. Out of warranty, I am positive these turbos will cost between $2K and $3K apiece, never mind labor. Don't even pretend these will last 350k+ miles that is otherwise typical for Toyota.
Yeah I have a 21 Tiguan 2.0 Tsi it’s super impressive absolutely love it no problems once so ever
You know so much about something that hasn’t been on the market for a year yet. Please tell me more 🤡
@@RF-dw8ms you have a blown Toyota turbo too? That sucks lol
@@RF-dw8ms Yes, I do. I know there are now multiple occurrences of new Tundras with the same issue without even a full tank of gas run through them. This is not a minor squeak, rattle, or sticky door knob. This is a major drivetrain failure that renders the truck a brick. Go buy one. I'm sure Toyota will eagerly sell you their fancy brick for $60k or so
@@radarguyus1 INFLATION it will be $10,000 a piece and they will be back ordered for a year and price will be $15,000.
Toyota - a straight six engine would allow you to add the turbo to the side of the engine.
This type of repair would take 3 to 4 hours.
An inline six is actually more refined than a V6 with the same displacement.
1 head, 1 intake, 1 exhaust..Seems like a no brainer...
My guess would be packaging is the reason why most manufacturers opt to use V6s. I have heard long engines could interfere with alot of crash safety designs(longer and higher hoods)
RAM is rumored to be headed this way along with electrification
Key points…the turbo isn’t the issue but the turbo has to be replaced……the issue is not a safety concern because the engine reduces power. Yeah tell that to the guy going freeway speed and suddenly experiences a loss of power. This is totally a safety issue
It’s not the turbo but it’s the turbo and the turbo must be changed. Estimated 10 trucks? Then half are at my dealer
Glad I canceled mine. This engine is to complex for the fuel mileage it gets. Looks like you wouldn't want to keep it after the warranty expires due to possible future repair expenses. Should have had a non turbo option. This really puts a thorn in the Toyota brand.
Lmao dude. Just keep your 05 tundra
That’s what the world has come to, but I cannot justify a new truck every 5 years or so, hence trying to get the most reliable truck I can get and this New Gen tundra in my opinion won’t do.
Toyota should have kept the v8 option
@@Mycameron2323 it's a 18 6.2 Silverado that gets 19.1 mpg mixed driving.
@@pireina1 With all that tubing and extra plumbing and living in the snow belt you can bet it will not last long
So glad I decided on a 2021 Limited and picked up in October. Long live the 5.7!
Great choice. Really like the Limited trim
Who cares what power that twin turbo V6 makes, I'd take the 5.7L all day long. They should have just updated the transmission with it years ago.
me too, I bought the 2021 Tundra as the last of the old school 8 cylinders. Simple proven engine, no need to change.
Yeah but the 21 doesn't have a transcooler, I think 14-18 tundras are the best looking and most reliable
@@qouavang3646 True, and I totally agree that it is needed. I monitored tranny temps before and after installation. If one is going to do any towing, definitely needed. That's why I added one. Dumb cost cutting move on Toyota's part.
Well if the wastegate is part of the turbo, its the turbo thats the issue. If you have to replace the whole turbo its the turbo thats the issue.
Nobody has seen the turbo outside the engine bay and examined the waste gate. Most new designs have an electronic wastgate that works with a computer to manage the actuator. The truck ecu will detect loss of pressure from the turbo and protect the motor from damage. Most people have no idea how a turbo system works
@@beexiong2995 you are reply to a different question or response. No one is questioning how it works.
David, I appreciate the info. Multiple times you said "potential issue". To me it is clear there is an issue. I think you are splitting hairs when you said it is not a turbo issue because it is the actuator that failed and not the turbo. While the clarification is appreciated, if the turbo has to be replaced, it is a turbo issue. I also expect the service Dept is also calling it a turbo issue unless Toyota has specifically told the service Dept to use other language.
There are many vehicles on the road with turbos. Do they all require the body be removed from the chassis to be repaired? How is this repair done for a unibody?
I would be interested to know how complex it is to remove the body from the chassis and if these owners can expect other issues as a result of the body being removed?
I realize you own a company that works with auto manufacturers and you may have to choose your words carefully.
Totally agree it is at the end a turbo issue. Cannot be separated.
I wonder would it be easier to just pull the motor out instead of removing the frame?
On Mercedes SUV’s we drop the front subframe with the engine and transmission to replace turbos.
How about all the other horrible mistakes made on this design? Are we building trucks or luxury cars? I've have Toyota trucks for so many years I can't remember...this is nothing less than a polished turd and years behind the competition...it's really embarrassing. No I will NOT spend my hard earned bucks on pretty princess queen...I am so damn disappointed... WTF? Ram and Ford are starting to look approachable....going to their showrooms this week..I've been let down as many other loyal Toyota owners..sad, just sad.
Didn't you say previously that Toyota tests their new vehicles for two years vs other Manufactures for only one year of testing ? Scary when owners have issues in just over 300 miles ! Per "Trigger Happy" on You Tube, (Major issues with the new tundra turbos.) Tundra needs a catch can ! I realize every "new" vehicle has issues, but from Toyota, really !
I'm surprised by this issue as well, but please keep in mind that everything (including the actual root cause of the problem) is somewhat speculative at this moment.
Add the general complexity of not just one Turbo but TWO and then add in a Hybrid system with Electic Motor... Yikes 🙄
All hail and "Long live the existing Tundra V8's" 👍
If Toyota Customer relations is reading the feedback then OUCH, this is a nightmare PR problem. The Tundra model was the first to shift to small displacement turbo charging followed in the future by Sequoia, 4Runner, and Tacoma. Many lifelong Toyota fans had some skepticism on the reliability of forced induction engines and BOOM, this reinforces the fears.
The other big observations from Toyota DIYers like myself is the impossible serviceability of the new Tundra when problems arise. We all don't have a lift in our garage to lift the cab off the chassis and our confidence with dealership service departments has greatly diminished. The service department is a profit center for the dealership, not to enhance customer loyalty..
I do have confidence that Toyota will (reluctantly) make changes to ensure confidence of it's owners. (They replaced 1/2 million FRAMES on the Tacoma at a cost of $15,000+ per vehicle). Acknowledge the problem, clearly communicate it, and increase the warranty to show confidence in your engineered systems. The Toyota 5.7l has proven itself to be a 1 million mile engine. Can we expect the same from the new 3.5L TT? As a lifetime Toyota enthusiast that never considers another brand..... I'm a bit worried.
Don't worry they will all be electric (and electricity will cost $1500 a month) then power goes out and one will walk. In case no one has figured it out yet, there plan is to 'get people out of the cars' meaning there will be no driving at all. Then TAXED per mile in your electric powered shopping cart. You can charge it with your solar panels that will cost you $50,000.
@@mt1885 "you will own nothing and be happy " - world economic forum. These people are pulling the rug out from under us one generation at a time. 2026 all new vehicles will be watching you and will have kill switches for the government. It was in the infrastructure bill.
@@mblake0420 JESUS is the answer - but the world rejects it and we are in this disaster.
@@mt1885 rope and a tall tree is the answer
@@nightdipper5178 If we we all pitch in there should be plenty of rope.
But...but I was assured that going to a V6TT from the NA V8 would be a non-issue as they're just as reliable as the NA V8.
Huh...I guess I was right in buying my GX 460 now with the V8.
More parts == more complication == more problems.
I bought a GX460 as well. So glad I didn't get suckered into the new Tundra. This issue doesn't bode well for how these trucks will be serviced at 100k/200k/300k miles. YIKES.
As an automotive engineer, this issue usually indicates there are more out there, just a matter of time to manifest the scope of the problem. I would wait for a couple of years before buying the truck.
That’s my plan maybe after 2 or 3 yrs 🤷🏼
Do you think the 2023 Sequoia will have the same problem?
@@Joalse well it will have the same power train so eh maybe. But honestly I can't see them letting this problem persist into 2023
@@sexyfishyphish that’s why they have a warranty. Every new refresh will have it’s issues but Toyota has consistently rectifying them in timely manner. My 2007 Crewmax has had the valve drop issue during its first 8,000 miles. That was the only major defect and now it’s at 265,628 miles problem-free with regular maintenance intervals.
@@mikehughes8023Toyota should insulate customers from these catastrophic problems that are not of the customer’s making. Extend the warranty to 10 years to cover this and other presently unknowable issues if you want to keep your customers. Kindly transmit my message to Japan. Belief in Toyota’s integrity must be reestablished. We customers spend far too much money on a product that is supposedly “bullet proof”
The only reason people buy toyota is because reliability.
I’m a Toyota guy, own an Avalon and a 1980 FJ40. I’m in the market for tow vehicle to tow my Land Cruiser, tractor, etc. I really wanted to buy a new Tundra but have decided against it for numerous reasons. 1) very low payload rating esp in higher trim and hybrid models, 2) lack of flat floor under the rear seats making it difficult/impossible to carry bins or boxes, 3) no good way to get into the rear bed, esp for older people, 4) no tow hooks, 5) fuel mileage isn’t very good when weighed against all the added complexity, 6) turbo repair requires removal of the cab which means extremely high out-of-warranty repair costs. Toyota missed the mark in quite a few areas. My money is going elsewhere this time.
Different use case for me but came to very much the same conclusions. I am still waiting to see if the hybrid is going to move the needle as far as mileage goes but I suspect I'll be buying something else. I want utility from the bed and can't understand why Toyota neglected it so much from a clean sheet design. I know what Mike Sweers said about it but it just doesn't add up. He loves that tailgate button. It's actually too low for most people's elbows so people have to bend over to use it. Wow thanks for that Toyota. I guess the composite bed is nice but since the bed is not very useful as is it isn't really a great offering. Needs more time down points, depth, width, easier access, lighting and for many people a higher power output.
ALL dealerships pull the cab on ALL pickup trucks to do any engine repairs because it litteraly takes only 30 minutes to pull the cab, you can do it with the cab on, it will just be extremely uncomfortable reaching deep in the engine.
@@thetechlibrarian A tech with experience absolutely (specificaly a Tacoma with r134a refrigerant) if its one of those newer vehicles with r134yf it may take 50 minutes because those AC machines take a long time to recover.
@@thinkkops853 Where did you get "30 minutes to pull a cab" from? I can guarantee it is great deal more than that; several hours minimum. All that crap going through the firewall has to be disconnected.
@@radarguyus1 From personal experience, took me about 55 minutes to pull a cab on a 2007 Tacoma with the 2gr-fe for some frame work. You remove the connectors from the ecu behind the glove box, and a couple on the fuse block, then the whole harness can be dropped without disconnecting every single engine component, 3 brake lines, (2 on the front, and one in the middle towards the cab) the two fuel lines and evap hose in the rear, the shift and brake cables, ac lines, and 2 radiator hoses, and the heater hose, and brake booster hose. My buddy that works at Toyota pulls one in about 35 minutes with some help.
Removing the cab from a truck with 300 miles for repairs is dramatic to say the least. I saw a post on FB from a Toyota mechanic stating they had 10 trucks at his dealership waiting for new turbos so there is quite a bit more with this problem than we know of.
Side note.....why doesnt Toyota put e-fans on those small turbo radiators to aid in cooling?
Does any dealer even have 10 trucks yet let alone 10 broken ones.... lol
@@SM-lj2ef I know right. A lot of upset v8 guys is all I hear. I'm trading my 2022limited for a platinum 4x4 the truck is great a little thing I wish were standard but it should in the future models.overall I love it.
@@dodstylee6352 Sounds like an exaggeration to me. The 5.7 had numerous more serious issues than the V35a ever had. No dealer has delivered more than 2 or 3 22s.
@@dodstylee6352 you’re trading for 1 trim up on the same model year? Makes no sense.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q my local dealership got around 12 this month. Sold them all ;)
They had years to get this right since this truck took forever and a day to get this truck to market ! What a disaster ! Like I’ve always said “ Never 👎 buy a first re design of anything!” I don’t care 🤷♂️ if it’s a Toyota product either !
They have been spending all their time trying to get a better infotainment system. They also have had to spend some time to get the interiors of their trucks to not look like the interior of a first gen Prius.
wow, that's why so many people like the good ole' Toyota V-8's. K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid! Not so darned complicated. Sophistication, like the British.
I knew there’d be problems with the turbos eventually. Maybe not right away but after a few hundred thousand miles they’re probably gonna need some maintenance. The problem I’m having is where Toyota designed this thing to where you have to remove the entire cab to be able to replace them. That is a complete failure on Toyotas engineers and totally bullshit in my opinion. They took a job that should only take a day of work and made it into a week long ordeal. Sure these issues are covered under warranty now but how much is this job gonna cost the consumer when it happens outside of warranty. We all know Toyota service centers aren’t cheap.
I couldn't have said it better. My thoughts exactly.
agreed, to design a truck whereas the cab must be removed from the frame to do turbo work is pathetic. The turbos have to be one of the most prone parts to have problems, and the truth is showing it's ugly head already.
Lol, Techs do that because it litteraly takes 30 minutes to remove, and some of the people working on the trucks in the dealerships are over 6ft tall, which becomes really difficult and uncomfortable to do any work at all. All work done on pickups at dealerships, I’ve seen they usually pull off the cab.
@@thinkkops853 uh, I would think if the cab did not have to be removed to do the job, they would not remove it. They would just put the shorter guys on those jobs. The cab must be removed, the height of the tech has nothing to do with it.
@@Boobtube. Nope, for example, Toyota and Alldata does not require the tech to pull off the cab on a timing cover reseal for a Tacoma on a 2GR, yet many techs do it either way because the grill is so long its very difficult for some older techs to reach around. Its really not that hard to pull the cab, the longest process of it is recovering out the freon. You must not work on cars very often, or you’re shorter than 6ft because climing in some trucks to do some work requires you to remove the hood because your head is hitting the hood already, not only that but your back is going to go through some tough shit if your going to be bent over reaching deep in ghe engine bay for extended periods of time, when you can just pull the cab and avoid all the bullshit for only 35-40 minutes.
David, thanks for your analysis. We will have to wait and see but if it's not an electronic issue that can be fixed by a computer fix then, Toyota has larger issues as most are not going to be Ok with the cab being removed from the frame for this mechanical fix. They might have to lemon-law these affected units and slow production until they fix the actuator for new units. Lack of issues are why I own a Toyota but this doesn't give me that warm/fuzzy feeling for spending $70K on a truck that may have this failure later on.
people are already reporting that turbos are failing, it was not rocket science to figure out that the new engine was all for EPA reasons and now reliability will never be the same.
The Tundra should have had a V8. Any savings of fuel and greenhouse emissions have been negated by massive repair efforts under warranty. After 3 years and/or 36,000 miles the warranty expires and become massive repair bills
The minor fuel savings is also negated by the nice jump in price
I would’ve rather had a V8 hybrid than the turBOOOOs.
But then owners will have a reason to talk to all those spam callers about extended warranties.
The people freaking out about this are hilarious. Toyota isn't GM or Ram. It isnt like they are going to continue to sell a truck with problems like the LS and Hemis with their Camshafts or lifters that fail or exhaust manifold bolts that break all the time, or oil filter housing issues. They will probably send out engineers, have a recall/TSB and slow production until they get the issues resolved. Sure it sucks for first year buyers but every manufacturer is a gamble. However Toyota is still probably a lot less of a gamble as they usually have excellent customer service. The 2007/2008 Tundras had a issue with the front differential being noisy and rear wheel bearings being noisy or camshaft towers leaking, and vacuum pumps failing but they got those issues resolved in the later years and often had a customer satisfaction program the covered many years and miles of service because they knew it was a issue.
@@danielmeador1991 GM, Ram, and F150 have problems but never truly address them. GM is in the middle of a class action lawsuit for camshafts in V8 going as far back as 2014 and still occurring in 2021 trucks, they just install the same faulty parts. Most first new model years of trucks have problems. I doubt the 2024 Tundra will have the same problems as the 2022 that's the difference between a good American built Truck like Tundra built with good American Made parts and a "American" built truck like Silverado or Ram with majority of its components built in Mexico or China.
@@danielmeador1991 you can't just deactivate the AFM system especially if you live in a area that has emission testing or if it still under warranty. That's a federal offense to remove emissions parts on a vehicle that came equipped with it.
You are right about GM. They have had problems with their engine lifters in their Silverado since 2009 and have yet to fix the problem
Toyota has had class action lawsuits as well for not fixing engines blowing up due to oil sludge at low miles just saying
@@MrGmilton they had a recall for that. I replaced some under recall. There were a lot of people that never went in for the recall and not all vehicles were affected. GM on the other hand has had camshaft issues for a lot of years and never had a recall and sellsbthe same parts that are known to fail.
These engines are maintenance bombs. Its not a question of if they will fail, but when they will fail. Toyota made a foolish decision, putting them in their trucks.
@@naveenthemachine that is possible, but it is also irrelevant. The reality of situation is that these motors are terrible across every manufacturer in respect to reliability and inevitable maintenance costs. Lab testing is not real world application.
@@naveenthemachine so true 👍
Old saying “ Never buy the first year” even if it’s a Toyota. I would definitely make Toyota give me 100,000 mile warranty on truck if I had this problem.
if you had this problem after buying it, your warranty is what it is. Your only choice is to get it fixed and than sell it. Which i feel is what alot of people will end up doing. So in less than a yrs time, the used truck market is going to be flooded with cheap 2022 Tundras that no one wants.. I Pity all these people that paid so much over MSRP for a truck that may be worth nothing in 6 - 9 months.
Great video. I’ll stick to a natural aspirated engine! I drive slow + keep vehicles 15-20 years so reliability is more important than fuel savings or speed. If all of the new vehicles being made will have turbos or hybrids then I’ll only buy used vehicles with n/a engines in the future.
@biblereader It's Toyota. Odds are the thing is gonna be over built and bulletproof. They wouldn't change the tried and true platform if they didn't believe in it.
If you drive slow, the turbo isnt a factor anyways. Most dont even spool under 3k rpm. And the wastegate doesnt come into play until over that.
@@rooey2816 almost no truck driver goes slow. Most of them go faster than most vehicles in the road. I see it daily
@@Pantelifts10 maybe “drive slow” wasn’t the right wording. I’ve had a Subaru STI with work done and a Honda Civic Si turbo and I could do 80mph staying out of boost. It’s 100% rpm driven. Stay under 3-3500 rpm and the waste gate shouldn’t come into play.
I like supercharged engines. You get the reliability of an NA engine and still have boost.
This has me really torn, this type of issue is ridiculous and unacceptable but… is this just the risk you take by being first to get a new generation vehicle? Half the reason the older Tundra and current 4Runner, Tacoma are so great because they are ancient in design and had in some cases over a decade to work through things like this
I’m really not concerned. Out of the 20k already delivered maybe 20 trucks have the issue.
I just purchased my ancient 2022 4 runner. Couldn't be happier. Hopefully my straight 6 envoy will die someday so i can enjoy my new purchase...
I have 2 newer ancient 4Runners on purpose. 2020, and 2021.
Thanks for the update. What concerns me the most is the repair and removing the body from the frame. This is why I always wait a full year or so before buying any new or re-designed model, I have always done that. I don't doubt Toyota will get it right but add in the supply shortage and everything else going on right now it is a little unsettling.
I hope they can fix the turn radius. Went from best in class to last.
With ongoing pandemic I would not be so optimistic that issues prone to new release would be fixed in next model year. Everything has to double or tripled in time. But live still goes on.
Who in the hall engineer or like that. Turbo should be easy to remove and installed
The first year of the 2GR-FE which is the 2005 is mostly trouble free. The UR, GR, and AR families of Toyota engines are very robust and reliable. The first gen Lexus NX200T/300 only made 236 instead of 245 hp due to reliability reasons.
*ENTIRE TURBO UNIT* has to be replaced - it is a problem with the TURBO. Saying it is 'trouble free' then why is it having problems?
Should you buy a 2022? Not, if you purchase a truck for its long term reliability, and low cost serviceability.
The North American truck market is a fickle fragile space. This issue on a new truck exposed a couple of big problems. One, quality control. This issue does not align with Toyotas' reputation. Two, the design. To repair a turbo requires lifting the cab off? That is an engineering failure by any standard. Man, I was was so excited about the new Tundra, it's not so much the early design problems, it's more the terrible engineering of the turbo placement that concerns me. I'm not sure I'll wait for Toyota to play with consumers' money and time to fix their issues. Add in the poor rear bumper design, no tow hooks, short windshield....are we sure this isn't a mistake and not a resurgence of the Studabaker. I think Toyota may have made some big mistakes here. I wouldn't touch a 2022 model, whether I wait for '23 or '24 or beyond I don't know, but super disappointed in Toyota.
I really hope this is happening to just a few and that this issue gets fix quickly.
At the end it is a turbo issue if the turbo needs to be replace. If an engine part is giving you issues can you say is not an engine issue? Please
It might not be a problem with the turbo itself, but it is part of the turbo functionality process and the turbo needs to be replaced? 🙄
But he problem is a big problem that should have not happened, this is supposed to be a very, very tested engine.
This issues are happening with engine with very, very low mileage. That is indeed very troublesome.
I really don’t understand why people are jumping so fast in buying an all new redesign truck in the first year of release, but regardless of that, we should just expect the usual bugs, etc.
These are major issues not just little bugs. At the end the consumer should never be afraid of the first redesigns and in this case the new tundra, I expected more from Toyota, they definitely had the time to make this flawless, or at least very very close.
Actually the fact it’s happening so early is a very good thing. That’s because you know it’s a specific defect in the part that caused it to fail. That’s much better than a failure at 50k miles which would indicate a cheap part that’s not designed to last.
This issue can't be minimized.. a new truck with such hype and acclaim. Not a small problem and happening on a initial roll out weeks into delivery. So glad I waited.
I guess you're wrong about that. You guys are crying about the stupid wastegate but forgot about when Tundras were eating up camshafts on the all new 2007 5.7s back then. A camshaft is catastrophic, a wastegate is literally a nothingburger.
@@CACressida This! And now they became one of the most reliable v8s ever made! I remember they were also having issues with that stupid secondary air injection pump failures, and they were STUPID expensive to repair after warranty
I mean they are still fixing it. With so many intacate components you’d think it would be more. It’s normal for trucks to have issues out of the gate. Fixing the problem is much more important and Toyota will do that
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@@Pantelifts10 so how many trucks with wastegate issues can you tally up? 5? How many silverados with failing lifters? 100,000s? How many F150s with condensation build up in the intercooler? How many rams with failed expensive relay boxes? The Tundra shares the same engine as the Land Cruiser 300 and thousands have been sold in the middle east. How many wastegate failures are happening there? 0? Let's be realistic here. TFL and pickup truck and suv channels have new Tundras with miles on them. Another TH-camr has been beating the shit out of his new tundra and has already put 7k miles and its still reliable. Dont act like other trucks don't have major flaws. A few Tundras catch a headline and you and every other gullible person makes it seem like all tundras are failing.
More moving parts, turbos are expensive 😫 not just one but two. Maintenance is more expensive 😒 two air filters. I just wish they would've offered a V8 that was more efficient, but they followed the trend. I just feel bad when the owners have to get work done, they are about lose their mind 😔. Good luck toyota, I hope I'm wrong.
To already have a waste gate actuator problem raise its head is concerning. The need to separate the body from the frame in order to remedy the issue is alarming. Two Questions: Why wasn't the body and chassis built around this particular engine to insure easier serviceability ? Would you consider this deficiency an engineering failure on part Team Toyota?
Put yourself in a future time and date, after the warranty expires. Most independent garages will not be capable of this repair - if the mechanic is forced to raise the body from the chassis to replace the part.
That's insane!!!
Most any shop with a lift and basic shop tools can remove a cab on a truck. It’s dramatic to see but not that insanely difficult.
Also, I’d be willing to bet, Toyota will offer a customer support program regarding this issue. Meaning, they will PROBABLY extend the warranty coverage for this repair. Likely to 10 years or 150k miles.
Toyota has been extremely generous in regards of taking care of expensive known issues.
Removing the cab is more common than you think and is not difficult for a qualified mechanic. It allows easy access and more space to work.
Maybe once the cab is lifted, it's easier for the mechanics to do a good job. I'd rather my truck get a thorough job with cab off/easy access than reaching into engine and fiddling around not being able to see what you're doing.
Great video..I have a few pictures of a Tundra with its cab body completely off the rolling chassis up on a lift for the mechanics to be able to work on the turbos and exhaust manifold..scary if that happens out off warranty as it looked very expensive to pay for..
Same repair for a Ford Ecoboost 3.5 TT as well. Cab has to be removed. I wasn't aware, but apparently removing a cab for repairs isn't that uncommon for modern trucks. Just way easier to work on. Still troubling if they do it wrong.
think of all the connectors that need to be unplugged to remove the cab from frame. Tell me if the tech breaks a retaining clip on one that he will replace that connector or just say screw it and jam it back together and hope for the best. Than you have intermittent electrical issues. Not a warm and cozy feeling.
@@Boobtube. No doubt electrical grimlins are hard to chase down..even if the clip doesn't break they have rubber seals on some that even a nick or pinch can cause problems with it..I'm sure they would have a record of what happened early on and perhaps cut the owner some slack hopefully..but at 30days of it being broken it hits lemon law in my state I'm from..making them buy it back..which still its a good deal..it should be a even trade for another Tundra..
@@agentcovert Dealers are in business to make money. Service is where they make their money. I highly doubt a dealer will admit any wrong doing from their technician and fix a problem created by a tech, and fix the problem for free. Follo the dollo... GREED
@@Boobtube. I have not had good luck with Toyota mechanics. That is why I try to do all my own work but obviously not a job that big. You won’t see me buying that truck. I will keep my V-8 thank you. A few more dollars in gas maybe but the truck will run forever. And easy to work on.
I'm confident Toyota will take care of this issue right away! After all they're not GM
I remember when we were assured this engine would be "bulletproof" because it was used in the LS500 and LX600.
@@naveenthemachine thanks edited.
@@naveenthemachine That's not reassuring. Ring gap is incredibly critical on turbo applications. At that point you are in short block territory if you catch it early, and long block + turbos if you catch it late.
The engine is generally bulletproof. Even aircraft turbine engines have failures, though it is very rare. Toyota makes very good products, but people are expecting commercial aircraft quality levels for consumer prices.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q people are expecting Toyota level reliability and are paying higher than normal prices
@@stevieray1828 Toyotas sell for competitive prices with all the other large manufacturers. Cars are very inexpensive for what you are getting.
Time to buy normal aspirated old trucks.
When the last gen tundra redesign debuted in 2007, there was a bad batch of camshafts installed on some of the 5.7 motors. Some of you may remember. Toyota took care of the issue quickly and it eventually became a very rare issue.
@@Pantelifts10 l like Toyota as much as anyone but I have no bias towards any manufacturer, what always astonished me was the super fans act like Toyota never has issues when in fact they have had their share from oil sludge blowing engines to the current halogen headlight fires. But whatever I guess those are not issues to fanboys
It took them 15 Years to Fix all the Bugs on the 5.7, I owned 2. 2020 They addressed all issues including the Transmission issues. 2022 They dump the engine
@@MrGmilton Literally every car manufacturer has issues with lemons. But Toyota hand builds when they design before putting the cars on the factory line, and halt production exponentially more to fix problems before they make it to the product stage.
Problems still leak through, but it's essentially a numbers game. When people say Toyota is reliable it doesn't mean every single car they make is reliable. It's just odds.
@@Pantelifts10 why not do an AIP bypass it's much cheaper that's what I did under $500
Myself and two friends bought 1985 Toyota trucks. Each one ate 2.5qts of oil every 3K. Toyota deemed it within specs. They wouldn't help us. One friend walked out front of the dealer with a sign asking truck owners how much oil they used and how much his used. A few days later the dealer installed a new shortblock. Problem solved. We bought domestic trucks. Problem solved. I still feel Toyota builds the best light trucks in the world. I drove a Hino medium duty tilt cab truck with a box on the back. Hands down themost reliable vehicle I've ever enjoyed. I'm still disappointed that Toyota wouldn't admit a defect.
well that didn t take long
i ve read stories of buyers who didn t even make it home from the dealers
Well done explaining the great thing you know well Toyota will fix this part. But about the guys that need there trucks for work. Real hard to put a 4x8 piece of plywood in a camary
I’m one of them, Toyota gave me a Camry 25k$ as a loaner and I have a small construction company, I carry materials everyday, Sheetrock, plywood, lumber etc, I had to rent a truck which is like 600$ a week!!
Everyone calm down, this is an easy fix! Let's go through the steps:
1. While the cab is off, remove overblown dyson motor.
2. Install The V8 we all wanted in the first place.
3. Put cab back on for the last time and enjoy your new, reliable truck!
yes toyota will be on it like they were on it for the fuel tank issue on the Rav4s which still have no solution 3 to 4 years in.
I work at the Toyota plant in San Antonio, problem is Solved.
Turbos wear out, imagine the labor cost to replace one with having to remove the cab each time because it has two and they won't go out together. Big pass for me, I'll stay with a Tacoma or 5.7L Tundra.
Turbos are best for those who lease. Long term ownership? Not for me…
Sounds like it's going to be pretty expensive to replace the turbocharger labor wise if the turbochargers eventually go out over a period of time I think I'll stay away from the new tundras for now as I was actually about to purchase one
Naturally Aspirated V8…420hp …!
The 5.7 had camshaft issues when it came out. It was corrected very quickly.
Forget about that engine.. its gone for good man. Eventually the engines will be even smaller until there's no more gas at all... everything will be mostly electric
@@blinkguy4ever We will eventually get down to a one cylinder range extender that runs on synthetic fuel, wireless road charging, and solar panels. Not everyone can plug in to the grid.
@@dude-yg9ez At the end of day we will find out that this is a manufacturing issue. The V35a in the Lexus and Land Cruiser (non US) do not have this issue. Toyota engineers will solve it quickly. There are always teething issues with any production ramp up.
Damn I am a little worried now, so maybe I should convince my brother to get the damn gas hog v-8 instead and hope for gasoline prices to drop ? 😊
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Speaking of brothers, will the next gen Tacoma learn from his big brother’s growing pains lol
Since I want to keep my next truck 20+ years, which is why I want a Tundra. Consideration of MPGs is very important. The reality is, gas prices will probably soar higher in the future and I don't want to get stuck with old technology that is too expensive to operate. That said, I don't want to buy junk either.
@@elguapo8751 Fellow employee at my work has a 2021 3.0 GMC and it has been in the shop over half a dozen times. No thanks. My 2021 Tundra is 100% at 10k miles in less than a year but yeah it's a gas hog.
@@elguapo8751 The old truck is great but for it's very poor MPGs. I'll probably wait out for 2023 Tundra Hybrid, and see if any more issues crop up by then, or I'm going to get a 3/4 ton Chevy work truck - for about $45K.
I am a master toyota tech, I can tell you that ALL new, first year models have problems. We always say, wait at least 1 or 2 model years before you buy. If you want the first year, that is what the warranty is for. Also, people are looking for reasons to hate the new turbo engine, that is why this issue has gotten so much attention. The tundra has always gotten the engine from the lexus LS (at least a variant of it) Which has been known as one of the most reliable vehicles ever made for decades. The LS has been using this basic engine for 5 years, most bugs were already worked out years ago. The current generation camry had many issues during the first year or two that I stopped recommending it, as I write this, I realize that it has become a Camry again, most of the issues worked out. Don't think the general public knew about these issues.
Both the Lexus LS and Tundras have gone over 1 million miles with proven V8 motors in them! These newer Toyotas Suck Period but they charge you more ! Lol 😂
@@roadglide1142 Show me the 1 MILLION mile cars this is all made up. If they are so 'reliable' then why do people buy new ones? This is the famous line (it will last for a million miles) then they buy a new one. All a myth - heard this a 'million' times before and SHOW us the 'MILLION mile cars' please.
@@mt1885 Do a quick search for 1 million mile Lexus LS & Tundras there are several examples of each . It’s well known.
@@roadglide1142 I want to see the 'millions' of them claimed that last. If that was the case why do they buy a new one?
@@mt1885 Actually Toyota gave one hot shot trucker a new Tundra free of charge & his truck is sitting on display at the Tundra plant in Texas !
Thank you for this video. It helped calm my nerves. I have a 2022 Tundra and my check engine light came on along with the reduced engine performance warning a couple of weeks ago. The weird part is, the lights eventually went out on their own. To be safe, I took my truck to the dealership where I purchased it and they said they cleared the codes and took it for a drive and the lights didn't come back on for them. The truck was returned to me and after a couple of days both the check engine light came back on, and I received the reduced engine performance warning again, then after driving it a couple of times the lights disappeared again. I reported the problem again to the dealership and they basically told me that Toyota wasn't sure what the exact problem was, but if the lights appeared one more time to let them know and they would order a replacement turbo for me. They also said the truck was safe to drive even in the reduced engine performance mode and told me if they had to order a turbo I could drive my truck up until the parts arrived. I thought this was a good idea at first but thought about it some more and came to the conclusion that driving a vehicle with a defective turbo is a bad idea plus this could possibly be a tactic by the dealership to keep my truck off of their lot to avoid a lemon law claim. I say this because in my state, they have 3 shots to fix the issue, or if the vehicle is out of commission for more then 30 days then I can file a claim. With the parts shortage that you described, I have no doubt my truck would've sat for more then 30 days therefore I would've files a claim. The good thing is, shortly after my lights went out the last time, I received a notification while driving that an update was available. I accepted the update, and since then my lights have not come back on so I am hoping the actuator problem that you described was a software issue that they fixed with the update. I'm keeping my fingers crossed because I really do love my Tundra. Thanks again!
Got me a brand new 2022 tundra almost 2 weeks ago and love it. Any issues so far? Only 500 miles in on it.
@@RyDaHero10 So far so good. I think my issue may have been related to a software issue. There was a software update and since then I haven't experienced any issues. The only other issue that my Tundra has experienced was cracking seat panels on the sides of the driver and passenger front seats. The dealership replaced them free of charge so all is good now. Love my TRD Sport. Good luck.
@@brandonvance6969 good to hear. How many miles?
@@RyDaHero10 Around 17,000 I believe.
Should’ve kept the 5.7L and fixed the problems that are know to happen with it and use a 10 speed or something to help increase the fuel mileage.
The 10 speed wouldnt helpmuch at all. Theyve tried this. The sequoia is the example. This turned out to just be a rumor that I once believed myself.
@@callofdutyguy9 they were going for reduced co2 emissions . The v6 is much cleaner than the v8. Pickup Truck and Suv Talk goes over the numbers in his lates mpg video posted yesterday. Personally, i would like to see a hybrid attached to their 4.7 v8 million mile engine, but it wont happen.
How about when you are driving down the the interstate in rush hour and the truck goes in limp mode 20 mph max how is this not a safety issue?
If the problem happens while driving on the highway, you will simply get reduced power from the engine. Engine will not stop working - the truck will move normally until you slow down or come to stop. And then when you try to move again, there will be less power but it will be completely be drivable.
If Toyota insists on no V8, then at least offer the 3.4 in a NA version. I don't care if it has only 250ish hp. Give me reliability!!! Only then would I consider it.
V8 guys sure are quick to forget about the $4,000 air injection pumps on the 5.7.
I'd pay $4.000 more to get a 1,000,000 miles out of the reliable 5.7 V8 The Turbo engine will never get this kind of milage. It will never last and be as reliable as the V8. FACT
@@highplainsdrifter9849 The 4.7 made a million miles not the 5.7. The 5.7 is a somewhat problematic engine. The V6 TT is a better engine, this is just a minor hiccup.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q There are several 5.7 engines with million miles as 4.7 too. Look it up. Blaine Johnsons million mile.
@@highplainsdrifter9849 I’ll look it up. There are lots of domestic engines that have it one Million miles. Any any engine can go that distance with a lot of maintenance, repair, and pampering. The 5.7 is probably better than domestic half ton V8s, but it’s nowhere near Toyota’s best engine.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Yep, the warfare here from 5.7 owners to the TTv6 owners in ridiculous. Many of us have had all incarnations and we know they all have had initial hiccups. This will get sorted. I have a lowly '22 4WD SR in the build line for 2/14, will I change that? Not sure yet, but things will correct with some time. In the meantime I ignore the haters, I've had and still have the truck they own.
So this is the quality of American built/made.
Hi David, two questions please. One, if you had this issue it would likely be on just one turbo but wouldn't you want to change both turbos when you have the entire truck apart as the other would have the faulty part as well? Second, if this were to happen out of warranty, what do you estimate the repair cost would be for one or two turbos?
Thanks, Rick
This engine downsizing thing is absolutely frustrating and when the fuel efficiency isn't much better than, let's say, compared to the old aspirated V8, the increased complexity of the powertrain, increased cost of repairs and decreased reliability shows that this fad brings no real improvement. I bet that the Toyota engineers could make a smaller aspirated V8 (maybe a 4.0) more powerful and efficient than the old engine and, perhaps, even this V6 with 2 turbos.
David, thank you for addressing this issue. I'm shocked that Toyota hasn't publicly addressed this major issue.
They are busy cleaning their pants
I don't blame Toyota. I blame emissions.
Emissions killed the naturally aspirated v8. Emissions killed simplicity in favor of complex, high-maintenance engineering, which I'm sure will cost much more in manufacturing, parts, repair, & shipping costs in the long run, for EVERY vehicle.
Toyota should keep the reliable NA 5.7 V8 + hybrid, and nothing else
I agree. I would rather have a NA hybrid than the turbos.
IMHO you are making excuses for this issue. I've owned first year Toyota's in the past with new engine designs and they always had issues, some more pressing than others like the bad heads on the 3.0L V6 in the pickup or the leaking valve covers on the 2.5L 24V V6 in the Camry.
The hybrid version will only bring further complications as well. Curious to see how the turbos will hold up against dust/dirt for people who drive these trucks on dirt/washboard roads everyday.
Weird because i see 200-300k mile gen 1 prius in the shop almost daily. Mainly getting new hybrid batteries and inverters as for hybrid issues. Itll blow a head gasket first before it has any hybrid issues.
Prius and the Tundra. Both completely different vehicles.
@@Theturks1990 They use the same part# inverter and battery as the 2022 prius prime bud. Im a toyota technician i see these every day.
How many Hybrid Tundras have you seen so far in the shop?
@@Theturks1990 Numerous mainly just for simple services.
TURBO Problem!!! Seems like a turbo problem, if everything is integrated by Toyota design. Also, seems extremely unlikely to be a software or electrical issue, as the diagnosis is turbo replacement. A few known failures in only a few weeks, could be nothing or could just be the beginning! What will time tell us with said design
Thanks for a good explanation of the problem, however your bias is definitely showing. Saying the turbo is not the problem, it's only the wastegate; is like saying the engine isn't the problem if a piston blows. Furthermore, you can't possibly assess the extent of the issue in the production by counting people who complain about it in social media. I understand you are a Toyota enthusiast and really want the new Tundra to be successful but you aren't helping anyone by essentially wishing away or rationalizing major issues. I suspect you are worried about your own purchase. If Toyota doesn't issue a major recall, think of the expense if the turbo fails when your odometer hits 65,000 miles.
I think the problem is much bigger than the .01% estimated by David. It would set a lot of people at ease if Toyota would just own up to the issue and be transparent about the cause and fixes they're implementing.
Lmao you have to take the cab off to replace a turbo.... is that like putting 10 pounds of sh*t in a 5 pound bag or what... Toyota is becoming the new KIA..... Good luck with those turbos at 125k+.......
I will never own a full size pickup with a V6, turbo or not. Even if it means I must jump to 3/4 or 1 ton, I will always a V8 under the hood of my pickup.
Sadly, the days of the V8 are numbered, all thanks to the pudding-munching potato-head president and the EPA. I suspect the same people would love to make gasoline $10/gallon in the coming years.
Lol so many negative comments about the tundra and toyota. Everyone is pretending that toyota wouldn't take care of any issues. Go ahead and try your luck on F150s that will require so many recalls and fixes they already stopped production what does that tell you and see if Ford will take care of you as much as Toyota does. David do not let these negative comments take you down they were all haters to begin with, probably hurt that their trucks aren't even close to competing against toyotas reliability. I wouldn't be surprised if they were paid by Ford in some way to make negative comments.
I am so happy I bought the last 2021 Tundra in Dec. I test drove the new 2022 a few days ago and the only thing better about this truck is the interior. Fuel mileage on the 2022 was almost the same as the 2021.
Did someone kick you in the head?
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There’s no way from a simple test drive to get an accurate read on fuel economy. Especially because when you’re test driving, if you’re doing it right, you’re accelerating and braking more aggressively than you would under normal driving conditions.
Delay 5 times perhaps that's a clear sign that you need to wait until everybody else turbo issues are correct it for at least 2 years that's an old saying from the master my GRANDPA so you don't have to deal with it $80,000 invested on a truck to have major issues at less than 400 miles and wait over 30 days to see if they can fix it properly that must hurt .that part shortage is all part of the PLANDEMIC 😎
I'm very curious to know just how many vehicles have this particular problem. If it is 10 or 20 that were made poorly and resulted in this issue, then I'm not as worried about it. If it is 1 in 10, then we have a major problem and I'd definitely put the breaks on buying one until they have this issue resolved. I don't think I would want a truck after finding out that the dealer had pulled the cab off the frame. I think you would call that "rebuilt" and such work should be recorded to the title in my opinion.
It could supply chain issue, defective batch, or probably tolerance set too low for that critical part and it needs to be re-engineered.
If you are afraid of cabin being detached from frame, check few rebuilt videos by vehcor. Though, not all mechanics are like vehcor :)
Can we just get a V8 toyota... damn..
Toyota should have tested these engines in trucks that THEY use in their OWN manufacturing critical trucks that they use for hauling and such, before unleashing on us.
The average man isnt looked after by corporations anymore. We are in a different time. Learn to repair and take care of your old stuff. The incompetance of people alone are going to make products worse and worse. You remember the cars from the 80s hahaha thats where we are going.
All I can say as a Sequoia owner with a V-8 naturally aspirated engine I would never consider buying a new unit. It’s not if but when the turbo fails the cab of the vehicle has to be removed. Here in Canada mech rates are $150+ per hour, so David when it fails what is the cost of repair to replace your twin turbo could it be a $20,000 fix when off warranty, so is your 7 yr old Tundra basically scrap iron at that point or parted out from your driveway.
David, why is this a problem with this engine. I thought I heard the turbo engine in the tundra was the same engine as is used in the Lexus. If true, bugs should have been worked out on the Lexus.
Tundra has the same engine as in Lexus but Toyota gets cheaper quality not as in Lexus
Toyota does not manufacture the turbo or waste gate. It's likely a different unit that was designed to give different power delivery considering it's a heavy truck vs the smaller sedan in the Lexus. The block may have the same stamp but the way its engineered is different
Just picked up my 2022 Tundra after 80 miles got on highway as soon as the truck reached 70 MPH message on dash came up Reduced Engine Power Visit Your Dealer. Now back a dealer .
Please stop saying that it is not a problem with the turbo itself. As you mentioned the turbo, wastegate, actuator are a single unit. Therefore if any part of that system fails then it is in fact an issue with the turbo charger. What you keep saying is kinda like saying well my crankshaft broke but it is not an issue with the engine itself. I am sure Toyota will figure it out and take care of it. Any time you bring a new model to market there will be unexpected issues. I was told directly by a Toyota engineer that if I want a new Tundra I would be best served to wait at least 6 months before doing so. That way they can work out any quality issues. This will leave a bit of a black eye on the Toyota brand but I am certain they will recover.
My 2022 tundra crew cab platinum had the same symptoms reduced power , engine light on , wouldn't go over 15 MPH on an interstate pulling a travel trailer. Took in to dealer and they could only tell me cylinder misfire code came up and they don't know why . They are trying to say that it could not be a waste gate issue but they can't tell me what it is and want me to drive it to duplicate the problem , guess they think I'm Chuck Yeager. Some how after i found a safe haven off the interstate and shut it off for about ten minutes then it behaved normally. After going to nearest dealer and having them do diagnostics and basically telling me they don't know why it happened Ii drove six hours home without incident . It's at local dealer now awaiting more scrutiny.
Thank you David, very helpful. I've put my purchase on hold indefinitely - disappointed. This is too serious of a problem for such a large ~$65K purchase. BTW - I'm a 2016 Tundra and Highlander owner and have been a loyal customer for several years.
I would caution Toyota to do a better job with their public relations communication. Critical information is absent imho. 1) We have identified root cause of the defect. 2) We have identified a solution pre and post production. 3) We have identified (pattern) the VINs in the field that will need to be addressed.
Thank you! I'm sorry to hear that you had to postpone - but it's totally understandable. Let's see how things develop in the near future to get this resolved.
@@AutomotivePress Reliability and dependability is why my family and I buy the Toyota brand. I'll be watching closely. Thanks again.
2016 Tundra and Highlander also not a single issue, amazing how a big V6 in an all wheel drive SUV can get 26 mph highway not after anything new now
If there are around 10 reported problems. Why would the customer have to wait 30 or more days for the part? They don’t have supply for 10 vehicles ? Oversimplification I admit.
If they are officially unsure if it's software ,or electrically driven issue why is the turbo's being replaced ? @ 2:30 "Today's modern world we don't want engines getting bigger and bigger" ...What is the rationale here is it "global warming" ?? Example the Ford 7.3 Godzilla V8 gas motor is a perfect example of the type of V8 the Tundra could have had. Are the owners of Tundra's driving around thinking at any moment my truck may fail.??????????????? 🙃
I respect the fact that Toyota needed to reinvent the Tundra but I'll wait until it's bulletproof before dropping $60K+. Keep-it-simple is no longer the philosophy of automotive engineers. But that's across the board, and consumers have largely driven that shift with demand for the latest and greatest. I'm still looking forward to the 2025 Tundra.
don't worry... soon the 2023's will be sold for 15K under MSRP when no one wants them anymore.
Most likely an actuator valve, problem, or a sensor that activates the activator not a complicated system. Honestly, turbos are pretty simple. Honestly, that’s why they used on tractor trailers every single one of them.
David, you explained the problem in layman term and I appreciate that. Not a whole lot of us are true engineers like you are so it is greatly appreciated. I sure hope it is not a lingering problem for Toyota since it would hurt their reputation as a reliable automobile makers. For me, I will sit on the side to see how it pans out. I would not want to buy a brand new truck and then cannot use it for more than 30 days. That would really suck.
Thank you! Yes it's concerning issue but I am sure things will get sorted out very soon (if not already) because of Toyota's "kaizen" thinking
Did they not adjust the manual dump arms opening length? Meaning it doesn't dump on actuation causing the ecu to trigger overboost? Turbos have both electric actuator + dump arm that opens the flap.. seems to me this could be the problem 😕