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Hunger Games: Catching Fire Is The Best Sequel Ever | Guilty Pleasures Ep. 116
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GUILTY PLEASURES
Comedians Zach Kornfeld, Kelsey Darragh, and Garrick Bernard take turns sharing their favorite guilty pleasure movies and TV shows to feel good about feeling guilty.
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Who's here after the You Can Sit With Us episode where Becky talks about how pregnant she was during this episode? Congratulations Becky and Keith and the Habersbaby!!! ❤❤❤
me!!! look at little Henry cookin in there!
I've been looking back at all the recent episodes because I usually just listen to them and never noticed anything 😅 you can tell a bit in the last YCSWU episodes she was in
Okay I feel less creepy if y'all are doing the same.
I had to revisit this video after YCSWU. Can’t believe I didn’t see the pregnancy and i watched this video 😂
watch this ep about 2-3 times already didn't notice a thing lol
If I’m not mistaken, President Snow smelled like blood because he was always bleeding and was using the roses to cover up the smell. He did not dip the flowers in blood, Katniss could smell him bleeding.
Yes! I remember him having like sores in his mouth that were like constantly bleeding
@@rosemarybarlow4134yes, sores! That's absolutely right.
Everyone in this thread has it right! This comes back up in Mockingjay, but the scent of blood coming from him is not only symbolizes the blood on his hands but also his own personal sacrifices to stay in power.
Oh wow didn't realize that, I feel like for some reason the book really implied for a second that he drank blood and then that never came back again (as far as I remember, it's been a while). Why did he have bleeding sores?
just looked it up, because I couldn’t remember completely. Finnick tells Katniss in Catching Fire that at one point, Snow poisoned all of his allies and himself, but gave himself the antidote, which caused the sores in his mouth.
I’m with Garrick!! Gale is annoying asffffffff he’s so bad for Katniss lmao
omg thank you so much for spoiling that garrick is anti-gale. watching last episode on hunger games was so heartbreaking bc all of them loved gale more than peeta LIKE ???????? gale just gets worse as well i need someone who fights for my man peeta.
YES THANK YOU
Came from the you can sit with us episode to see pregnant Becky 😂
The thing with Finnick is that he won at age 14 so during this movie he is 24, so not that he's super old but certainly older than Katniss and Peeta who are in their late teens
Yeah since he was the youngest winner ever, so yeah definitely not old at all, like he is absolutely crazy young considering it’s been ten years since he won and that for 8 of them, he was forced to be a pr*stitute, for everyone in the capitol, both men and women. It’s even crazier when you realise that why he was so popular and got so many sponsors, including the most expensive gift any tribute has ever gotten, was because everyone in the capitol were lusting for this FOURTEEN YEAR OLD. The only thing the capitol did kind of good (but still not at all because nothing about it is good) was that they kept him off limits for two years because they couldn’t possibly sell a fourteen year old, but then they did with a sixteen year old
@@wrath-of-the-badger2238 Generally, I think the movies don't represent these darker backstories of past victors well enough, such is with Finnick being sold off, Annie only winning because she could swim the best and everyone else drowned, these are all more hinted at or implied and not as explored as it could have been in general. That being said, the movie did pass a PG13 rating so it's understandable.
@@lumajstorovic9807 yes exactly! Reading the books was wild. Also, seeing how much they removed about Finnick in mockingjay is so sad, because him and Katniss clearly became so much better friends in that book than katniss and Gale ever were, and like, it’s not possible to just summarise everything about that whole thing
36:46 I feel like Peeta nearly dying multiple times would've been more believable if Peeta had to get his leg amputated like in the books. It's the one plot change that I'm really unhappy about
I totally agree! I feel like the misconceptions about Peeta's character have less to do with Hutcherson and more to do with the writing and cuts given to his character. It's easy for Gale to look good with his actions hero scenes, but a lot of Peeta's sincerity and emotional intelligence is lost.
This!
i can't believe they missed talking about how the aspect ratio changes when she raises up into the arena! it's an incredible detail that mesmerizes me every time
Had to look up what that meant but that’s really cool!
The steaming version of the movie doesn’t do it 💔 probably why it slipped their minds
My biggest and possibly only guilt with the movies is the Peeta slander. He's one of my favorite characters in the books because on first read he doesn't seem that unique, but he is actually extremely powerful and is a major part of Collins' thesis IMO. Both Gale and Peeta are supposed to seem a little whiny because they're all teenagers (although Gale is older than Katniss and Peeta so he should be more mature). I actually think that Gale and Katniss are too similar, and that's why she ultimately loves Peeta more. They both understand brute survival, and physically reacting to defend the ones they love because that's all they've ever known. But Peeta had to navigate a different sort of trauma due to his abusive mother, and he learned from an early age that how you present yourself is super important. President Snow does a lot of horrible things but he's only a badass, terrifying villain because he's able to hide all of that underneath the shiny capital people surface. Peeta is the only one who has the charisma and forward thinking to actually challenge Snow. Peeta's emotional and social intelligence is his superpower, but unlike Snow he uses it to help others and be kind. Without Peeta, Gale and Katniss would be reactionary soldiers, and in trying to take down the capital would repeat its same mistakes (Gale's war crime, the vote on a new hunger games after the war). Peeta has the ability to understand that an actual culture shift needs to occur to encourage actual growth and change. He ultimately is the hero of the book series and you see it in how much Katniss changes in response to him.
I'm sorry this is so long, it's just been a while since I analyzed this series and Collin's writing is GOD TIER AHHHH
THANK YOU for this!
@@jellowyjel thank you for reading lol
Wow! maybe I should reread the books now 😅
Exactly! There is even a line I think at the end of Mockingjay, Katniss essentially saying her and Gale are too similar and Peeta provides her something different she needs.
Thank you for this ! I was always telling people that Gale and katniss were too similar. In the first book, they literally have the same back story. And I think their philosophies align more than hers with peeta.
Anyone here after listening to You Can Sit With Us and checking how pregnant Becky looks and how I missed it 😅🥰
That’s why I’m here too. I feel like I had maybe thought it in passing, but I think it’s just proof of how pure this fan base is. Why would we judge and speculate about their bodies? That’s not what we’re here for.
YES 😊
excuse me this was NOT Josh Hutcherson’s first major movie franchise. he was incredible in Bridge to Terabithia & Journey to the Center of the Earth as a child
Exactly he was a child star! This was not his breakout role lol.
true, but franchise means a series with sequels so I think they meant that, not that it was his first role
@@lezlezzin I get that. Journey was a series though & it was huge at the time, so my point still stands
The book series and world building are incredible. Suzanne Collins deserves all the compliments for writing these books. This movie was so good.
Literally she wrote a book with characters as complex as a master chess board and then it's thrown in with the likes of Twilight, and other YA.
Still waiting for the apology to Peeta for the wrongful slander last episode.
Lol same pretty sure I turned that episode off 😂 I really couldn't handle that take. I need Zach to see the final films asap
Same!
REAL.
I really enjoy Rick and Becky mentioning stuff from the books! I think it's fine to talk about the film separately and it can get annoying when people go "well actually in the books...", but i feel like they do it in a way that adds depth to the convo rather than trying to debate book vs movie
Anyone else here after babysberger and hyping up Becky and Keith’ for living their best private lives ✨🥹 love y’all! Congrats!
excuse you it’s habersbaby!!
I think something that's SO FASCINATING and also provides a whole new perspective on the "love triangle" is reading Suzanne Collins' explanation of just-war theory. All the characters represent a different perspective of war and just-war theory, fPeeta being more diplomatic and Gale tending towards action and violence. Peeta and Gale don't just represent points on a love triangle, they represent Katniss trying to discover her worldview.
Yes! I mentioned this in one of my comments!!
I expect a public apology for peeta slander in the last one
Yessss
Did anyone else come back to see Baby Henry Bump? HOW CUTE!
HARD disagree on Katniss leading them on. What I love about Katniss is that she has these two 'amazing' (I'm not a Gale fan lol) guys who are in love with her, and her priority is survival. Katniss' whole mindset is "I don't have time for this crap, we are fighting to survive people." She can't think romance, she's too focused on keeping her people alive.
In reference to the facts, Jena Malone (Johanna) came out this year and said she was actually sexually assaulted on the Hunger Games set (don’t know if it was this one or Mockingjay) by someone, so I’d say that she was really mistreated between this and the elevator scene (like what the hell is going on) and God knows what else went on. Jena Malone deserved better especially.
Oh my god, thank you for looking that up and sharing, that's awful
Oh no 😢
When the lightning thief series comes out on Disney+, I do now expect a review
YESS!!
I thought they only did movies
@@um7239 they’ve done Euphoria and Over the Garden Wall. It’s kinda few and far between but I would LOVE for them to review lightning thief when it comes out :)
I don't think I'll ever get over how much they played up the love triangle in the movies that was not at all as prominent in the books imo. I am a firm believer that the Hunger Games is deeply critical of society and capitalism in a way that is much more radical than most other YA books, which makes it fall closer to true Sci-fi than people have given it credit for
One other cool thing about the arena in this one being on water is that this is a dystopia where the different districts don't mix and there's little recreation, so unless you live in a district near water like Finnick, a lot of people don't actually know how to swim. Putting them on water is an easy way to knock out a couple of contestants immediately.
I think the outfits they were wearing helped them float, but did NOT help them swim. In that sense, those who didn't know how to swim would become actual sitting ducks in the water--which is a *chef's kiss* visual metaphor
Honestly Kelsey wasn’t wrong, this is arguably one of the greatest sequels of all time (if not just one of the most iconic MOVIES of all time tbh)
I actually really appreciate the YA themes in this book because it’s painting us to be the capital. Like people are freaking dying and children are being murdered and we’re still asking our other friends who are reading the books, are you team Gale or Peeta. It’s commentary on how we are becoming the capital and personally I think that this is a super cool interactive way to draw deeper connections to the books and real life.
I've always loved how Collins was able to write this book that presents so much sociology and war theory but present it in such an ironic lens. I love how it comments on how our own popular culture will receive the story as a cautionary tale with how similar we are to the capital.
y'all should def talk about how fucking cool the marketing for all of these movies was. since this was back when movies had websites, they'd put up real propaganda videos about the might of the capitol and culture stuff like "latest fashions sweeping the capitol this week!" as if this was the capitol's only "official" government approved news source so when the last two movies were coming out they'd periodically put in interceptions from district 13 like how was in the book, and like a whole lot more. the attention to detail was wild
The whole rose thing is because Snow uses poison to get rid of his enemies and I think he takes some of it to be immune from it, but since he's always drinking poison he coughs up blood so he has the rose to hide the smell
THANK GOD GARRICK IS IN THIS EPISODE CAUSE I THOUGHT I WAAS GONNA STAB MYSELF IN THE EYE LAST EPISODE WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE HUNGER GAMES. 😭😫💜 JUSTICE FOR PEETA 😭😭😭💜💜💜
In the book, Peeta really believed what they lived at the games was real - until it’s revealed that it was an act at the end of book one ofc. He is a young boy in love and I completely understand his “I almost thought the kiss was real”. Katniss does not owe him anything but he’s bitter about it. I probably would be a bit bitter too at that age and if I was still in love with Katniss lol
Peeta is not perfect for sure but Gale has always been a red flag for me.
wait… rick is looking like a whole model in this episode!
Agree! I also love Kelsey's hair!
This and the first book came at a perfect time for me. I was in 8th grade in 2009 and read The Hunger Games and Catching Fire over Labor Day weekend because a friend was reading it. The last words being "Katniss, there is no District 12" I panicked and immediately searched for the third book only to find out it wasn't being released for another 12 months. Part of my soul left me that day. Great episode, guys!
Plz god let them start to slander Gale
Thank God there are Peeta stans in the comments smh. Although the movies really did him dirty. I think Josh Hutcherson is perfect though!
truly need you all to STOP obsessing over gale and get on the peeta train
Being team Gale is lowkey a red flag
lowkey?? HIGHKEY
Not only is this one of the best sequels of all time, it’s the greatest book-to-movie adaptation I’ve ever seen. So excited to see y’all finish the series!
on the topic of ed sheeran not being folk enough for the hunger games soundtrack, we must remember that this is the same man who in the same year did i see fire for the hobbit. that song would have fit perfectly in this soundtrack, with the added knowledge that ed started off more folk sounding before becoming so commercial
I am oblivious! How did I not notice Becky’s baby bump! Congratulations Becky and Keith!! ❤️❤️❤️
me watching this episode while patiently waiting for the mockingjays and songbirds and snakes episodes
My read on katniss and the smooches is that she reads very like aromantic and asexual to me, and she feels comfort and safety in both these guys but she isn't romantically interested in any of them, all the smooches she does is for a reason, and you notice this even more when reading the book, she doesn't want any of that.
I agree except I'd lean towards Demi as she does enjoy kissing after she likes him more.
i love watching zach react to kelsey talk, he always seems amazed and happy to be there
Came here after Becky’s you can sit with us episode, I listen on Spotify so I don’t know what the episodes look like, I expected to see Becky with a blanket, maybe a pillow or smth to cover her belly she was always just wearing normal clothes and that’s all THE whole time and no one noticed. Absolute queen.
The Hunger Games lore that the mockingjay pin Katniss finds in the first book actually belonged to Lucy in Songbirds & Snakes so Snow immediately recognizes it on Katniss and hates her from the start.
Could not agree more - I got chills when you guys were describing the climactic lightning moment, and I still get goosebumps picturing her face in the very last shot of this movie. So good!
Zach: “what do you think a hologram is?”
Kelsey: “Tupac on stage.”
Me dying laughing
21:00 someone is sleeping on Bridge to Terabithia and Zathura aka Space Jumanji.
I love a lot of the movies you talk about, and I know you already have a long list of what to cover in the future. I do have a few requests though! An Emma Stone month (Easy A{TUCCI}, La La Land, House Bunny, The Favorite, Superbad), Pirates of the Caribbean, Princess Diaries, Ella Enchanted, Miss Congeniality, and more animated films (over the hedge?)
garrick not only fought for peeta but also fought for ed sheeran and i personally love him with my entire being for that because i just don’t understand when we all turned on ed sheeran. it pisses me off to the umpteenth degree as he is so talented.
Ok but like them saying this was Josh's first big movie!?!? What about Bridge to Terabithia? Journey to the center of the earth? Journey to Mysterious island? He was a child actor in a TON of big movies lmao
41:14 Kelsey is a mood rn on this Monday but so grateful Becky is back with the gang to discuss a series that was SUCH a moment. I'm excited for the new one, hope it lights up some minds ✨
Zachs face when Kelsey is saying how amazing the sequel is 😂
Ok do we not all realize that josh hutcherson was in not only in and own for hunger games but he was also in zathura and bridge to terabithia
Sorry I know I butchered this but it still kinda gets the point across
I know Becky doesn’t want anyone speculating on pregnancy, but there’s a clip of her rubbing her belly mid-video - y’all may wanna edit that out. Loved the episode!
thank you. I do feel like something has to be coming soon. Or she is in a process of some kind. I have thought so since the Marvel trivia video. Wishing her well!
Dude, I saw it, too. But one should never speculate 😅 Maybe it's just gas....😂
@@lingea5262yaa! I randomly rub my belly for no reason. It’s a nice soft spot😂
i've seen a lot if pregnant people and she is definitely pregnant...like she doesn't look like she just gained weight lol
this aged well😂
My toxic trait is I will absolutely accept no criticism of The Hunger Game franchise in any way, shape, or form
thank god u posted this my youtube has been so dull
zach: we have liam hemsworth who's like--
garrick: not chris
I'm so excited for Zach to continue to discover how legitimately great this YA series was!
I JUST finished rereading the books…and they still hold up! Super easy reads, and such great world building! Highly recommend reading them again!
Just wanted to say I’m on my way to my first ever day teaching and saw you uploaded a podcast about one of my favourite films and it’s really helping ease my nerves, thank you for your silly little podcast
Zack having to ask if they are doing the rest of the movies is almost offensive 😂
Like come on we gotta
Can’t wait for you guys to talk about Mockingjay Part 1 especially the scenes where the districts revolt - district 7 land mines & district 5 dam attack. (might be wrong, but i don’t think it’s in the book. nevertheless, those scenes are impactful) & the iconic “IF WE BURN, YOU BURN WITH US” ahhh so good
They have to get to the soundtrack, it's not just for the folk scene. There are major artists and not a song was feature in the actual movie and it still compliments it when you listen to it, you can picture it. It holds the scenery, the energy, the power, the concepts. They were crazy for that
Ugh I love this, it just brings me to my childhood 🥹
I wouldve loved for yall to mention the aspect ratio changing when katniss enters the games because it is such an interesting and powerful choice. I love this film.
i vividly remember watching a fan parody of ke$ha’s tick rock based on catching fire when i read this book in middle school, so kelsey’s little song at the beginning was very appreciated
I am BEGGING you guys to do the next two. Mockingjay part 2 is on-par with Catching Fire in my opinion. I know y'all are taking a break for the strike, right on, but as soon as thats over pplleeaassee
Three things:
1. Love the pod. Keep it up.
2. Two podcasts about the hunger games and nobody is gonna talk about how it’s just a tame Battle Royale?
3. Please do an episode on Earth Girls are Easy. Please.
How did I not notice how pregnant Becky was!!
Just here to defend Peeta!
1:02:00 yaaa! Garrick, telling like it is!!
Omg Becky's mom is so sweet! Hi Kim!
The prequel is so good! You guys NEED to read it, especially before the new movie releases
How did I not know about either the book or the movie? I guess I'm just not in the target audience anymore.
It was so good, I almost hated myself for nearly sympathizing with Snow at some points in the book. I cannot wait for the movie.
I just started reading it! Reread the hunger game trilogy but haven’t read this one yet!
The last three minutes were the MOST chaotic and I get it.
GERRICK READ ERAGON i love that so much
Catching Fire was NOT Josh Hutcherson's first big movie. GARRICK. He's been acting since he was 10 years old in 2002. He starred in the film version of Bridge to Terebithia and was in The Kids Are Alright which got four Oscar noms! Come on now!
i never in my life expected to watch so many people be team gale and hate on Peet’s 😮 i didn’t think y’all truly existed did we watch/read the same thing???
I was in college during the Hunger Games era, passed on the first movie, which ironically came out on my birthday. When Catching Fire was announced, I was on a mission to catch up (bookss and film) in time to see it in theaters with my friends.
5:56 and I already have goosebumps just from Kelsey’s description of the movie. This is gonna be a good one
I live for the Ed Sheeran respect in this episode. ❤️
YES! I was really confused when everyone suddenly got mad about him being popular, it was like the Taylor Swift hate all over again
@makenziegleason5737 I wish Becky would've at least addressed her body shaming Taylor so I could watch this episode but oh well 🥲 lmfao
@@lizdegrasse7960 wait when did was there body shaming in the vid? I don't even remember Taylor being brought up
I will not take this Peeta Slander!!!!
The clock twist in the film is so insane to me. Katniss looks like a genius for getting it so quickly. That is NOT how it happens in the book lol Plutarch shows her his pocket watch and gives her hints before the games start
super early in the video you guys are talking about the cat! katniss is the cat (cheesy bc of her name lol) where it hates everyone but prim and is scraggly and mean but it really just wants to be loved. she hates it because it is her! Both katniss and the cat would be better off dead, but she keeps the it and herself alive for prim. just like katniss the cat never dies, despite being abused and mistreated and basically being a cockroach
The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is really good y’all should definitely read it
Am I the only one who finds Josh Hutcherson way hotter than Liam Hemsworth? Josh's face has this inherent kindness to it, Liam just looks really bland and generic to me.
Zach: I don't care about his trauma. He's hot. I love Zach and his red flags.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Here from YCSWU, pregnant Becky is so cute omg
coach pls put me in this episode!! catching fire, and the hg in general was my whole personality in middle school
The rose is not dipped in blood or anything like that. The smell is coming from Snow. And he wears the rose to try to cover up that smell because of his mouth and the poison.
I can't wait for you to make an episode on Nimona ❤❤
I feel like I'm having a Rihanna at the Super Bowl moment
Same lol
This is the greatest movie adaptation of a book evaaaaa
For anyone else curious about the Elevator Scene: IT'S REAL. They had a USA Today news story about it, and according to it, the PA pressed the wrong button when they thought they had finally gotten the shot perfect because the elevator was super fast and Jenna had trouble taking off her clothes in time!
I rewatched all the movies and I forgot how the last two are really good. Also the baboons I could not watch that scene the first time cause it gave me so much anxiety
Also I think the twist that the arena is a clock in the book is even better because of the scene of katniss dancing with the game maker and him hinting at it
This is my fav movie & book sequel of all time and now definitely my fav Guilty Pleasures Pod episode! Can’t wait for Songbirds & Snakes! Hope y’all review that one too.
What serendipity that I just finished the prequel book yesterday
fun fact! the cat is primroses & she took it from district 12 for her. she hates it, but it symbolizes her willing sacrifice for her sister. also! the cat in the first movie (black & white) is not the cat described in the book & it was such a beloved character that ppl demanded they get the correct cat (a cranky, scraggly orange maine coon)
Oh yeah, we were passionate about Buttercup being portrayed accurately. "WTF?! Get an orange cat!!" You don't mess with readers, we hella detail-oriented.
You better watch - Red White and Royal Blue when it comes out.
I would also like to put on the record that Katness is the 2nd movie is 17
I find it funny that President Snow and Johanna were father and daughter in Pride and Prejudice
Josh Hutcherson was in so many big movies befire Hunger Games! Little Manhattan, Bridge to Terabithia, Journey to the Center of the Earth ...
saw Zach and Maggie at the broad in the Keith haring exhibit and my heart was racing so fast and I wanted to say hi and take pics but I was working
I actually saw Catching Fire before all the first move. I was a freshman in college and I a senior at school. she invited me to the movies, and I was so excited and didn’t have time to watch the first one but I wanted to go on a date with her really bad so I went. Even though I literally hate watching things out of order. I was confused during the movie I had no idea who rue was or really what happened in the first one with Katniss and Peta. I think I asked far too many questions.
Good news though my endless questions didn’t ruin things for myself. Me and my crush dated for almost 5 years, so ruining the storyline was worth it.
Honestly this is my favorite movie of the franchise.