ULTIMATE V8 SHOWDOWN - M3 vs RS4 vs ISF vs C63
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- I present to you the ultimate showdown of the greatest late 00's V8 performance sedans ever made.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:22 Exterior
0:55 Interior
2:23 Drivetrain
3:36 Exhaust
3:56 RS4 Drive
5:05 C63 Drive
6:00 M3 Drive
7:00 ISF Drive
8:07 Outro
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almost got bricked up from the thumbnail of this video
Hahah
Almost?
_ISF for ownership, C63 for thrills, ❤ loved the review_
Agree
Yup, still have my 2013 ISF, original owner. Always fun, zero issues.
They all have thrills LOL their all V8
@@Toyota4Life yeh, in *context* to his review and by *comparison* the C63 is for thrills, more so than the others.
Loved the comparison. I have the E92 M3 and ISF, and a buddy of mine has the W204 C63. Like you said, they're all fantastic cars in their own rights.
Excellent cars!
Definitely the golden age of compact V8 super salons.
Absolutely
the exhaust contest imo
1st place: RS4
VERY CLOSE 2nd place: C63
3rd place : M3
4th place : ISF
I guess I’d agree
I read the comment without watching the video first. And i actually agree this C63 doesn't sound as visceral as others I've heard for some reason. If you watch the video on the carwow channel it sounds like an absolute beast.
@@DJYAMIN107 yeah. Again it sounds amazing but a VERY close second place
Fantastic! Really interesting. And an excellent review of an era gone by. Excellent! M3 is the benchmark and still is in today's world too. Loving the channel! Cheers.
Thanks
Came away wanting all 4 of them, thanks 🤣 Fantastic video
Haha nice they’re all awesome
E92 M3 for sound and track days, C63 for wild driving experience, ISF for long-term ownership, RS4 for rainy days. There is no best from this bunch. Just buy them all!! 😂
Yeah would have to agree haha
If i was in the market, the ISF would definitely be the long termer, otherwise the M3 for the summer and flicked before something broke.
Agree
Waiting for a comparison like this for years!!!!
It’s finally here!
I like how you make the driving short and straight to the point. 4classic sports sedans at the NA engines golden era. Really nice episode❤
Thanks man!
Gotta be FBO w/ tune to wake the ISF up. It turns the F into what it should have been
Would be cool
I love your vids
Best length and real enthusiasm
Thanks man! Appreciate it
Personally I like the isf, it's really restricted stock by the headers and exhaust, makes big gains for an NA changing those, all have their pros and cons but the lexus reliability especially if it's a daily is the winner, and in my eyes looks better, the worst part is no lsd in the early ones and if you got an early 1 with the interior issues.
Yeah agree
I own an E92 M3 "Alpine Edition" just like this one in the video, absolutely love it, hope to keep it forever and mod the heck out of it, no supercharger though. Used to have an early W204 C63, loved it as well. I miss those seats. I'm also envious of the Lexus reliability and ease of maintenance haha. If I had to give up the M3 for another of these 4 cars, I'd go with the Audi. Love all 4 of them, great video.
Very nice
Would take the ISF any day compared to other cars reliability although the C63 sounds so good. I heard one years ago cold start with upgraded exhaust at my old gym underground parking lot. what a beast
Oh yeah they sound awesome
@@KiwiCarLife nice sideways action in the c63 ;)
Good vid mate, I like all of those cars, for me I would choose the RS4, always an itch I have wanted to scratch!
Good car
good boy Good choice You wouldn't be disappointed ❤Promiss !! Love mine sooooooooooo much
Interesting review. I found the isf definitely faster than the bmw m3 v8. The rs4 was significantly slower. I also looked at the slower rs5 v8 when comparing. Re styling if you removed the badges I wonder which car people would pick. Keep the vids up mate
Agree
@@KiwiCarLife The ISF drives 100-200 in 9.8 Secs stock, M3 in 10.2s Stock, RS5 B8 in 10.8s and C63 in 9.4 - 9.6 s. All measured in GPS from multiple owners. So regarding which is faster does not really play a role. They are the same level. 0-100 the RS5 V8 will obviously completely destroy all of them thanks to Quattro and Launch Control. Some may FEEL faster but if you measure them they are pretty much all the same.
I personally owned a C63, RS5 but also driven the M3, so the ISF is not something i tried because im not into saloons, must be a coupe for me when its about fun. The C63 just feels like 600 HP because its so raw and likes to spin all the time. But at the other time i have a friend with his ISF who thinks he beat 911 GT3RS and RS7s on the autobahn ... his car is stock. So that ISF must FEEL really fast lol :D
Nice video bud. 👍
Thanks man!
For the Lexus ISF Lexus made a ton of suspension string upgrades throughout the years so the last generation ISF and a first year model are going to drive really different
Slightly different maybe, seems like the main upgrade is the LSD. But all these cars were roughly 2006-2009 models so it's a fair test
@@KiwiCarLife on a race track the 2014 ISF’s lap about 4-5 second faster then the 2008 ~ early year ISF. That’s not a “slight difference”
Motor trend the automotive company actually did a lap test with the V8 competition M3 and a 2014 ISF and ISF put down the same lap time as the V8 competition M3 and that v8 competition M3 was a two-door coupe re and the ISF is a four-door….
@@Toyota4Life2014 is incredibly rare though. It may aswell be compared to a hand built sports car with how rare it is
I would love you to compare rs4 to s4 from that era (B6 or B7 model with V8 4.2). Great video as always!
Ah yes potentially
I would always take the RS4 B7 over anything
Nice! They’re great cars
Smart man rs4 rule period 👌 💯 % will never sell mine :-)
The Lexus ISF hands down the best and at the end will be the last car standing
I wouldn’t say the best but it’s definitely the most reliable
I would own the m3 out of all of them by far, although it is my dream car
Nice
I don't know if anyone is paying attention that while Liam was comparing those beasts, he's wearing Honda Type R T-shirt. Means Honda has been planted in his heart. 😂
Haha it's literally all I own is Honda shirts
Have you driven an hsv or Gt Falcon?
Nah
Euro V8s have such a symphonic sound. No disrespect to the ISF...but it's rather mild sounding amongst that line up haha
Fair
Loved this review! I am curious what the long-term cost of ownership of them all would be, ha. I say this as a multiple former C63 and M3 owner, now with an ISF :) Love them all honestly, but I worry the least with the ISF as you noted. Plus with bolt ons, the ISF really wakes up - though could say that about most cars here.
Yep agree ISF is the best to own but the others stock for stock are probably a better drive. With a few mods the ISF is awesome
Don't have time to watch the video yet, but I can't help but feel like V8s will always be AMG's specialty
Yeah I guess
When these came out in that time, everybody had a favorite one, dissing one and other, etc…
I have a 2008 w204 C63, my dream car as a kid.
But looking at these today and comparing them to their successors, just makes me wanna own all of them…
Yeah man they’re all amazing eh
well done
Thanks
This is when cars were about emotion.
FOR ME, IT WOULD BE THE ISF BECAUSE IT COMBINES EVERYTHING FROM ALL THESE CARS WITH THE BEST INTERIOR AND THE MOST TIMELESS DESIGN AND ARGUABLY THE BEST TRANSMISSION POWERTRAIN OF THIS ERA. IT WAS AHEAD OF THIS TIME.
Best exterior and interior is highly subjective, and it definitely doesn’t have the best transmission but it’s a brilliant car!
Have had an e92 and of you owned em after 75k gearbox is usually slipping and sloppy hahahah well maintained and driven respectfully well made but if you like to utilize the power in my op. Bmw has box issues lol😂 love the content!
Thanks!
Love the ISF hella reliable and bootiful
They’re lovely cars
i love all 4 cars.
Me too
Each is good and wins in own terms.
BMW - best sports car, best balance
Merceses - massive troqe from big engine, fun, thrill
Audi - manual, AWD, practical, best Audi ever
ISF - most reliable, everyday car, still exciting
Yeah I was very impressed with the troqe in the merceses too!
@@KiwiCarLife I would chose ISF anyway lol
Vs the Chevy SS too!
Yeah that would have been cool, it’s a Holden Commodore SS over here
I dunno if they got in in NZ or not, but in the UK you could get the 507 edition of the c63 with just over 500hp.
Saying that, I’d either have the M3 as a coupe or the RS4 as an avant.
Don’t think we got the 507 here
@@KiwiCarLife My brother’s mate had one at one point, it was hilariously fast. He got it new, because he was quite successful with his own business, but as you can probably tell from my profile picture, I’ve always been a bit of a BMW fan. Keep going with the videos, they’re excellent.
@Sean Pang I’d imagine they don’t crop up as often down there as they do in the UK, there’s almost always a 507 edition or three for sale here. I have to admit, I do occasionally look, but I like my Alpina too much.
@Sean Pang I got an E39 B10 3.3 manual, and it’s my perfect one car garage car.
Yeah I think the amount of power you just need to get use to(why you thought the c63 in the past was a killer). Now my stock SL55 doesn't feel like it's going to kill me, but the tuned one, man it's just nuts and I don't think I can ever get use to it, unless pushing it around a track a few times, that might change the way it feels.
In this video, Maybe the C63 had better tires for the wet than the M3? The LSD in the M3 and the setup with less torque and power, should have hooked up better than the merc. Did the M3 have cup2?
Yeah tyres would have made a difference
I'd prefer the audi here but damn that RCF is so low that it kinda disappears.
I'd have the audi but kinda looking in the mirror every time the Lexus passed me
ISF but yeah
sport sedan comparison, and in comes the C63 estate LOL. BTW: the 'tacky carbon fibre trim' in the ISF was a cheap wrap, not stock.
Took what cars I could get and yes I’m well aware
Isf hands down.
Good car
What would you have out of these four?
Well I own the ISF so…
@@KiwiCarLife sorry. I guess I mean if you could swap would you?
ISF all day, header and a tune and the thing is mad powerhouse.
Mmm yes good car
Sorry ISF is well-balanced one tbh
It’s very good
The M3 downshifts is sex.
Good nosie
That’s a missed opportunity. You should have compared it with Aussie v8s that you get sent over to NZ
Nah they don’t really compete with these
E92 m3 the 👑
They're all good in their own right
Drag race next?
that would have been cool!
E92 m3😊
Nice
Late models of the isf with upgraded breaks, headers an exhaust and tune is more exciting than the c63 and m3 imo
Yeah they’re pretty awesome
ISF for the win.
Good car
As a full pkg Isf is number in my book...
Fair enough
isF❤
good strong car
Its funny, ive driven so many different e9X M3s and never once have i been impressed with them. I definitely wouldnt agree with them having the best interior. It felt brittle and dull to look at. The C63 interior is a real let down too.
I dunno, some car channels just seem to think they have to repeat everything they have ever read about cars in the reviews years ago. Thats why i like JayEmm, he makes his own mind up and often goes against the grain.
Fair enough, just coz an opinion is against the grain doesn’t make it right though. M3 is the best drive imo
I would love to let you drive my 2012 ISF when I get it back from getting its exhaust headers made.
Oh yesss I’d be keen
They always bring 2008 ISF for these kind of videos. Try to find 2010 to 2014 ISF next time, those are the best ISFs.
Ahh yes I’ll sell my 2008 ISF and buy a 2012 ISF for double the price just for the video
@@KiwiCarLife 😆 That's not what I said at all. When I said find a 2010 to 2014, I meant maybe you can find someone who's willing to bring a 2010 and up ISF for those kind of videos but it's not easy to find people with 2010 and up ISFs.
@@SlowWhip yes you’re right haha. Gotta work with what I’ve got. 08 isf is more realistic comparison price wise. C63’s are like 20k now, E90’s 30-35, RS4’s bit more at like 40-50, but any facelift ISF is a. Impossible to find and b. 40-60k
@@KiwiCarLife I love those C63s, specially the 507 and Black Series version. The Black Series are going for almost $200k now here in the U.S which is crazy 😅
Bro no way did you put thr c63 intrrior ovrr the ISF lol the c class interior at that time looked like ass
I did
Reality: I’d be happy with any and all of them.
Imho:
Benz is such cashed up bogan car. I kinda love it but think I’d be a bit embarrassed in it.
ISF: everything you said but it’s all a bit sensible and aloof.
RS4: always loved it. You really gotta know it to spot. Love the q car vibe.
M3: most polished and cohesive car there.
All of them have servicing costs that reflect there purchase costs.
ISF is the only one without any design flaws that’ll make you worry at 2am in the morning.
Yeah I’d agree with that
經典is
Yes
M3 e92 🤍
Nice
Amazing video but let's not beat around the bush im dying to see an xr6 and commodore on the channel
Coming
Got a ISF sitting in the garage 😊
Oh very nice
Nice, these other cars are probably in a different kind of garage now lol
Fbo all of them..and the isf comes out on top....but even stock the 2011 isf beat the m3 around vir...with smaller and less aggressive tires... properly set up...its the best all around that dosnt blow its engine like the others in the list...thr are isf approaching 600,000 miles...with original engine and trans..its the best and its not even close.
Not sure everyone would agree with that… every track test I’ve seen put the M3 on top which makes sense. Same power but less weight, lsd etc. but I thoroughly enjoyed the ownership experience of the ISF and agree it’s the most bombproof of the lot
@@KiwiCarLife check car and driver lighting lap VIR..08-09 isf didn't have LSD...but 2010 up did ..like I said...2011 isf( stockLSD car) beat the m3 on car and driver test lap.. ..check the stock tires on both..way better stock size and compound on the Germans ..
Yeah maybe in that specific test but on literally every other dry track on earth the M3 is faster haha. ISF seems to be better on wet courses:
fastestlaps.com/comparisons/68advl9s3e46
@@KiwiCarLife these times were for 1st year isf without LSD...the same driver that did 8:18 at the ring in 07...later did 8:03 in a 2010 stock LSD lsf . 2010 + cars are very rare and mostly overlooked ... check 2010 up cars..and you will see a big difference...plus even 2010 cars are not evenly matched to the the stock track tire that came on the m3 .. Toyota put 225 front and 255 rear ..subpar Bridgestones..vs 245 fronts 265 rear much better sticker mich......I am a track instructor and have spent time on both m3 and isf .. there isn't much a difference between both in tack times once even in tires and both fbo.most don't care to know this really ..the isf is a strongly overlooked platform..in my opinion it's the best all around car you tested..even tho yours is a non LSD early model vs lsd German rivals .just my opinion my man.👍
@@KiwiCarLifethe wet data makes perfect sence...the isf skinny crappy a/s tires would do better in the rain....m3 is hell of a car on track..but if you look there are many track times that were neck and neck ..those were 2010 up cars with LSD...if the time was way off they were 08-09 non LSD ..but they all had rain tires (so to say )2009-2014...lol ...the point is the isf is even with, or even faster than the factory track king m3.....c63 and the Audi just don't stand a chance..add the reliability of the isf .and it's easy the best car here ..in my opinion.
Man, what it time it was to be alive. The M3 sedan was definitely my favorite at the time, but if I were to buy one today, it would 1 million % be the IS-F. Toyota left a lot of power (and sound) and just overall character on the table when they made this car. And it’s been out long enough now that the aftermarket has fixed those drawbacks.
Yeah definitely the ISF is gonna be the best to live with
A hitch on the RS4 😡
The owner rides bikes
@@KiwiCarLife Ah I figured it was detachable only seen it without after I posted the comment 😅
im sorry but the c63 coupe was supposed to be a to much everything
Yeah and for that reason I didn’t like it
Isf ...
Yes
C63 last in looks..wtf!
Sure is!
Holy SHIT, can they please stop using the poorest example of the ISF? The 2011+ ISF is dramatically better than the 08-10 version.
Yeah but 2011 is way newer than all the competition in this video. You can’t just pick the best example of the car you like and the worst of all the others just so your favourite is the best 😂
Looks bmw then Lexus, then merc.
Fair
@@KiwiCarLife love the video and your content, but you should work on your responses to comments. So blunt, you should be interacting with your followers better with more engaging comments other than “cool”, “fair”, “good car”
Love your content and best of luck to you😁 just a suggestions for your channel
@@mandocon I understand, but you try replying to 100 comments daily on top of a full time job. No other youtubers my size do it
@@KiwiCarLife you don’t have to respond to every comment on your page, I feel like that’s why they are so blunt and boring. Take that same time you would take to respond to every comment, and respond to a handful but more thoroughly. Just my two cents. Again this is coming out of love not hate; great video and I want to see your channel grow exponentially. Best of luck to you🤙🏽
Isf is around 200kg overweight.
Overweight? Or just heavier
The ISF is lighter than the RS4 and the C63. How is it overweight?
The M3 is clearly the best one.
I guess
lexus sound good
Absolutely
not a v8 show down with out a Jaaag
Trans in that era jag is average tho
@@KiwiCarLife some of them have the BMW ZF gearbox in them. the po0s ones are the ones with ford and merc trans
How torquey is the C63? I want force pushing me into the seat. I'm coming from a 2012 is350 which has absolutely nothing.
Very torquey
@@KiwiCarLife how about the ISF?
@@pd5041 yeah in terms of torque the higher displacement cars feel much more grunty
ISF will still be good in 10 years
It already is!
1: isf, 2:c63, 3:m3, last place: audi
Id say that but m3 2nd probably
i smoke the shit out of all those cars in my isf💀
Would have been really interesting to do a rolling race to see which one was quickest aye... C63 definitely first, then the others... who knows. RS4 probably the slowest