Audi S5 vs Lexus ISF - German or Japanese V8?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- If you're in the market for a Japanese or European, naturally aspirated V8 sports car, you're probably going to be choosing between a few options, a couple of them likely to be the Lexus ISF and Audi S5.
Today I'm going to find out which one is best!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:30 Exterior
1:11 Powertrain
1:58 Interior
3:14 Audi S5 Driving Experience
5:50 Lexus ISF Driving Experience
7:36 Outro
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My heart says S5, my head says ISF
Yeahh same haha
I've been driving a 2016 S5 for over 6 years and have never had to pay for anything other than oil changes and a brake job. Not sure about the 4.2 liter B8's reliability but the B8.5 and its supercharged V6 has been practically bulletproof for almost 80k miles.
@@mikeabel7577 apparently the V8 is pretty reliable too. It was the last iteration of that engine and folks say they had fixed the issues the early engines had by the S5 introduction.
I've already had the VAG experience. My heart says ISF.
My heart says ISF, my head says ISF
Both sounds great! I am kind of surprised as I think it must be down to aftermarket parts on each as S5 SHOULD be nowhere near the ISF as it was a 335 competitor back in the day and the RS4 with 414 hp was more of an ISF competitor back in 2008. I remember the ISF did handle better than the B7 RS4 as it was more modern and had a better balance so the S5 should not be of no match technically, but then again, they both seem to be on aftermarket suspension and that changes things significantly so it depends a lot on the mods done to each car. At any rate, enjoy your ISF. That is a thing of beautiful and a classic. 8 cylinders for life. Cheers!
The ISF is superior to the S5 in all aspects. The ISF was created as a competitor to the RS4/C63/M3 to begin with.
Frankly both are great options. Agree the S4 was more of a 335i competitor, but the V8 is not far off the power of the ISF and has similar character. RS4 is also much more expensive than ISF now too
yup and then there is RS5 with 444hp but sadly no manual but a 7 Speed S-Tronic DCT transmission which is still a pretty decently fast car but i think i would still go for RS4 B7.
The 285 front tires on the Audi make a huge difference i believe. Especially compared to the 225 front's on the lexus.
To be honest, audi s5 feels much much better in the interior. Im driving the audi s5 2013 ( my friend car) and it is a 3.0 not a 4.2 but interior is mostly the same. This is the best interior that i have been. Even the BMW M2 2016 wasnt that good. Ofc the lexus might be quicker but you really use your power realyl often if you daily it. And that why s5 is a winner in my opinion. 335i in the other hand is a much better driver car than both i quess but 335i comes with stragith six so we cant compare it to the v8. But i heard from people owing it, that they love it how it handles and how the engine delivers.. Stil lexus is quite for older guys haha i have never seen young guy in lexus ( besides thoose who buy old is and build for the drift cars)
ISF all day
Reliable,Fast,Confortable,Sleek styling❤
Indeed
Enjoyed. Awesome. Thanks 👍🏼
Cheers!
My god you have a LOT of content 😮 bloody impressive for a Wellington lad who looks like he’s just having fun with some mates
Haha yeah been consistently uploading twice a week for years
@@KiwiCarLife nice man, there good vids keep it up!!
What are your thoughts on the v8 market in nz at the moment??
I had a Ford xr6 turbo and regrettably I got rid of it before covid.
Fords and holdens are way overpriced at the moment, like your car is what a 2008 and it's got way more features and more reliably then both of them.
I'm currently rocking a Fuga hybrid and man it's sweet but I do want a v8
I’ve just got a 2013 is f and it is totally awesome. I checked your videos out before buying.
Good stuff! Yeah I would recommend overall I loved mine
That is one sexy S5!
I would still have the ISF though!
Audi repair bills would give me a squeaky bum!
Yeah agree haha
I've got a B8 S5 very similar spec and also agree, such a great car to drive. Got an e92 M3 manual parked next to it and still pick the S5 everytime. Even the kids prefer it. It's not always about the most power, sometimes efficiency just makes it better.
Interesting!
@@KiwiCarLife if a 7 year old boy and a 13y old girl say the Audi is cooler, then it is haha 😄 I'm not gonna argue the matter but on a serious note, it comes down to what you plan to do with your car, in my case the S5 ticks alot more boxes for what I use it for 99% of the time, there is a time and a place for everything, and risks to consider as well, the M3 will get you into trouble quite quickly if your not careful haha
I fully agree the efficiency is like no other V8 coupe. You can drive at any weather and it consumes only like 10l.
It's great to test cars and to come back to your own, warts and all. It's an education.
Indeed
ISF was always undertyred - hence the switch to 245/275 width tyres on the RCF and GSF. Equally I think the 285 front tyres will be helping the S5 a lot here compared to stock.
Yeah definitely, after I finished this video I learned he'd done quite a lot more to that s5 than I initially understood. Bushings, suspension, tyres, steering wheel, shift knob, tune, exhaust, intake, all sorts. Definitely put it on a much more even playing field than a stock S5
I went 245/275 on my ISF.. big improvement!
Beautiful cars, I've never drove a Lexus but I've road in my friends m4 and it was blistering fast! I'm from the states and have a 2015 ford mustang with a NA 5 liter v8 and love to let her rip..lol. Enjoy your driving and be safe!
Nice
Drive both of them back to back and you can tell the Audi is nicer to drive and feels more premium overall, the Lexus is nicer on the wallet. Just how it's always been.
Yup that's true
The induction from the Lexus V8 is enough for me to go with that alone. Not as fast as it's contemporaries but I don't care about bragging rights and I'm not trying to go to jail. Equal length headers and or x pipe cat back makes it sound more exotic
Mm yeah true the 2ur sounds unholy
Thoughts on almost new bmw at auction just been repossesed? do you have any experince with auction cars?
I mean so long as the loan has been cleared it'll probably be a bargain
Get exhaust and rr racing usrs.
And I’m surprised to hear about the steering on the Audi. These come with a 6 speed manual too.
Yeah a 6 speed S5 would be fantastic
@@KiwiCarLifeAbsolutely sucks, had one. Im buying a Automatic S5 V8 now because I driven so many cars and it was a blast compared to the S4 and RS5, but the manual is horrible junk.
Can you let me know the make of alloy and tyre combinations on the S5? It was mentioned that the the tyres are 285s so I'm thinking that they are maybe 285/30 R20s. My own S5 is sitting on factory RS4 20in alloys with 275/30 tyres.
20x11 285/30
Should review a 3.0t supercharged 3L v6 in a audi b8s4 with a tune.
Coming! Just gotta edit it. B7 rs4 vs b8.5 s5
A. Call me a JDM Fanboy but I would take a non-imported Lexus ISF Over an Audi S5 everyday
B. Do you prefer your new Lexus ISF or do you prefer your old Honda Accord Euro?
Yeah definitely prefer the ISF to the old Accord
ISF all day everyday because the exact example of why not an Audi happened. German car companies don't care when they clicked on they can make even more money from repairs.
Then again the driving experience is also excellent on German cars
@@KiwiCarLife until the sensor in the gearbox melts next. Sorry mate. I love the way german cars drive too but even the germans don't buy their cars anymore...prohibitively expensive repairs being the reason
@@sparky6996The S5 V8 is not the dual clutch with the gearbox sensor
I wonder how the B7 RS4 or b8 RS5 will compare with the ISF 😮. Have you ever driven the newer Lexus V8s like GSF or RCF?
Yeah got a b7 rs4 featuring soon. Haven't driven an rcf or gsf yet
Hesitant on buying those wheels in bronze. Anyone know what offset that looks like?
Not sure sorry, the fitment is amazing though
On the s5 were the belts original?
Yeah probably
Awesome video as these are two cars I’m actually looking at purchasing - would love to see your ISF compared to an RS5 tho as it would be a more fair comparison seeing that the ISF is the top of the line IS (250/350) whereas the S5 is only the middle step in its line
Yes agree, although I'd put an RS5 slightly higher than the ISF, and the IS350 slightly lower than the S5 so to me the ISF and S5 do compete relatively closely
@@KiwiCarLife I think the RS5 has only a little bit more horsepower whereas the ISF still has plenty more torque. Relatively evenly matched - would make for a very interesting video :)
@@samwallace148 a fair comparison would be RS5 (v8) to the RCF.
@@samwallace148isf walks rs5 😂😂😂
I've actually owned both of these cars and I think you're wrong.
The S5 was an awesome car, especially in the snow, but the ISF is even better. The chassis feels more balanced on the ISF, the steering is better, and the power is a lot better. The transmission on the ISF is really good once you learn how to use it properly in manual mode and then you don't even think about it. The transmission in the S5 is more user friendly tho but not such a huge difference that it would deter me from getting the ISF.
Also don't even get me started on reliability and maintenance. The ISF is super reliable and easy to work on.
However, the RS5 is better than the ISF I will admit. I love the RS5, and that's the ISFs competitor. I'd say on the road they're both equally fast and the handling is about equal but the engine in the RS5 is one of the best sounding engines ever made.
Well you're certainly entitled to an opinion and I somewhat agree. Perhaps the fact that this one was modified tightened up some of the s5's deficiencies when compared with one you had.
@@KiwiCarLife that's exactly what I was thinking. The suspension in that S5 you drove must have made it a lot better than stock. Although I hear that a set of coilovers on the ISF transforms the handling.
Have you driven a Quattro audi fitted with a sports diff? Reduces alot of the understeer
I have? I think the rs4 had it?
@KiwiCarLife dont believe the b7s had them. Perhaps the s5 you compared it too did though. Its a factory optional upgrade and drives more power to the outside rear wheel to "push" you through a corner
@@craigauty6756 possibly…
Very good review. I would have thought the RS5 would be a better comparison to the ISF, but the S5 has a bit more low end torque.
Yeah RS5 is a little more high performance than the ISF. But you are right
My favourite generation of s5 so I'm going with that although the rs4 and rs5 is more of a rival
Personally I rank the rs4 and e90 m3 above the isf and c63. I feel the latter are just an eighth of a step down. The S5 is an eighth step down from the isf I guess. But overall it's a more complete car
As we saw in the video.... Reliability!!!
lol haha
Is a catalyst necessary in a car?
Catalytic converter?
What rims are those on the S5?
Not sure sorry
Rohana RFX11
What wheels are on the s5?
20x11 285/30/20 not sure on the brand
@KiwiCarLife looked it up today. Theyre rohan RXF11s. Thank you for the reply.
@@KiwiCarLife do you recall the offset?
Would you consider swapping your ISF for the S5?
they way he drives wouldn't last a month
Lol outside of the videos I just cruise around tbh. I would consider a swap yeah
Holden commodore clubsport r8 Vs your lexus ISF would be a good review
Ooh yeah would love to do that
I reckon you need to be insane to own a BMW, Merc or Audi unless you are rich and very patient because the repair bills and the waiting time on parts is insane.
Hahah that's a myth bro. It all depends on which model/engine you get. Anything bmw with an n/a I6 will be very reliable. Parts are plentiful.
please review a turbocharged 4th gen legacy (liberty), it handles better than the 3.0 and has more hp/torque (tuned by sti or s402 will slap harder)
The 3.0L makes a better sound, has more linear power, is more reliable and is less awful
@@KiwiCarLife hmmmm how about a 2007-2014 wrx or an sti then?
Isf definitely needs some regular maintenances and minor upgrades like engine oil, diff oil, gearbox oil, spark plugs, wider (245 & 275) tyres, lca bushings, and then go for exhaust and headers, LSD, finally a tune. If you do regular maintenance, I think isf would be as good as the European rivals.
Yup agree
The IS F doesn’t need anything ! What are you on about? What is an oil upgrade for Christ sake? I’ve done 40k in mine and it’s reliable and super quick in stock form. It needs nothing between services.
@@theoracle2877
I don't get why dude list all of that. Lol
But it one of those comments act like they know something.
So what does the RS5 need? Does it not need regular maintenance? Explain engine oil upgrades. Spark plug upgrade? Really? Data to back up these Ludacris claims? Man you're a 🤡. Know yourself.
Oh well it shows how most of the people maintain their cars these days, what a joke. I’ve basically restored my isf back to at least 80% condition, fyi mostly genuine parts, let’s see who have the last laugh in 10 years time lol
Bro do the skyline 350gt 4 door sedan
At some point yes
You should compare your lexus to a 2012 or newer
Why? My car is a 2008
@@KiwiCarLife in the US the 2010 models have an LSD and 2011+ models have a much better suspension and other things as well from what I have read in the web.
Lexus ISF v8 in that S5 body with ISF ratios but with the audi DSG would be the near perfect sedan
Ooh yeah man
Ha, love how it took less than half an hour for the Audi to break.
Admittedly it was just a belt snap which could have happened to any car
If someone is looking at a S5 , get the one with the DSG
Nahh I like the character of the ZF6. Also much smoother
S5 was offered in 6speed manual heaven
Mmm yes a manual S5 would be so good, RS5 even better
Ur talking about the cars interior how they look
How old is the Lexus..it old vs new...
Both cars were released in the same year
I would not be that optimistic about the car where the whole engine - very big and heavy engine - sits in front of the front axle. But maybe I'm wrong.
I don't think you would have enough time to "enjoy owning" A5 as for the reliability issues ;-)
This one has had a number of handling mods so it felt like it was on rails
@@KiwiCarLife so it is unfair to compare it with a stock ISF...and still I remind you the reliability. To enjoy the car it has to be running more often than sitting at the garage for the repairs :-P
I barely understand anything about cars in general, even less about specific models
Well hopefully this video had enriched your knowledge
the typical euro issues LMAO still a clean audi tho
Hahah yeah this one was super nice
IS-F is better and great, of course!
Lovely car
What good is a sexy car that doesn't run?! I think I'll stick with the ISF. Was drooling over the Audi in this video and like clockwork as soon as I said out loud, Audis are expensive to repair, the alternator belt snaps. 🤣. I'll take reliability over everything when talking luxury sports cars.
Haha I mean an alternator belt could snap on any car. But yes, I have a lot more confidence in the Lexus
Kiwi
Yes
Please get an exhaust for your ISF and discuss other options :D you got us all hooked with the Accord content :P
It actually had an exhaust when I got it but I didn't like it haha
@@KiwiCarLife what exhaust was it?
The poor design coupled with the reliability issues with the Audi means that keeping it on the road is a very expensive exercise. For example the timing chains do not last the life of the engine and failures are relatively common at around the 100k mark. The timing chains are at the rear of the engine so the engine has to be removed in order to replace them. A very bad design. As the miles on the car go up, the Lexus will run rings around the Audi in terms of reliability and will keep running long after the Audi has died.
I mean for sure... but if people like the way the audi drives, they'll buy one knowing they'll probably have to spend money on it. I mean McLaren's aren't that reliable last I heard, but people still love them
@@KiwiCarLife The McLaren is a highly stressed performance car and as such a higher level of maintenance is required to keep them om the road. With the Audi you get the high maintenance costs and reliability issues without the performance of the McLaren.
Still think your Honda was OP
Good car
S5 is much more safer if you like driving like your gf caught wuth ex gf !
also 4.2 sounds more pure
Great video !
Yeah definitely. Audi's 4.2L V8 sounds awesome
Imagine thinking an s5 is better than a ISF.
It's a cracking car
Audi is a maintenance nightmare.
Can be at times
My friend's new Audi couple broke down, no reliability no fun.
lol
Japanese V8!
Lovely engine
5:21 .. 🤣🤣 _typical Audi fashion_
Classic hahah
@@KiwiCarLife gold‼️
Bro ain’t no way that Audi could take a corner as fast as a Lexus, it’s all in the design
There's absolutely no reason why it can't. The Audi handles very well. ISF is a big family sedan, great car, but it's by no means a benchmark for all other cars to look up to handling wise. The E90 M3 is a step up for sure, just not as reliable hence why I went the lexus
@@KiwiCarLife Yes but full throttle???
Race? Huh
Couldn't this time around
There is something wrong with you if you think the Sudi transmission is better than the Lexus.
I drove both cars, and the Audi's transmission was smoother. I've driven multiple ISF's now and they are far from the most refined transmissions out there. Sure they shift fast at full chat but in the middle RPM they're very lurchy and the rev-match downshifts can be a bit average at times
Yes but those VAG transmission are known to be unreliable when the car gets older, plus the cars are set up totally different the Audi has four wheel drive and as you know the Lexus is rear wheel drive, and although you think the Audi interior looks better Mechanically the Lexus is more reliable built better and probably less expensive to run annually.
@@kevinstephenson9887 this doesn't use an Audi transmission, it's made by zf.
And yes the Lexus is more reliable, Audi interior is better equipped and built though. Both great cars that serve similar purposes but go about it slightly differently
Gday
Yes hello
Hold on. How unreliable really are the Audis? It's not that bad, right?
Not too bad, although the owner of this one has had to replace a few things
I live in Poland and don't ask what are our repair bills for German cars... and we KNOW how to repair cars. Horrible experience but really good cars apart from being very unreliable
If you're going to get German cars, you NEED to learn how to do your own cars unless you want to pay 2k and up for some simple things. Even then, I wouldn't even touch since your back and joints will be a fucked up from doing too much or I'm just getting old.
There's something that puts me off of the Lexus styling, guess those headlights and the front bumper make me think of a squirrel with a mouth full of food. :D Lexus is easily the more reliable one out of these two. Design-wise (exterior, interior) Audi looks WAY nicer, not even a competition in my opinion. Also in stock form, without those mods, that body is just gorgeus. Oh, and shame that the ISF isn't AWD like the S5.
Agree, and frankly the ISF is better suited to RWD imo
Lexus - top quality
Audi - Terrible
Hahah
@@KiwiCarLife but I do agree
The Audi like the s5 is fun and an amzing driving machine
But I would have just put a few mods on your lexus and that is more than quick enough
The Audi may be nice but... on track at high speeds they handle like crap. Understeer for days! On the street, push it too hard and you'll understeer into a tree. For street and daily use, they are epic.
Interesting, I thought this one was good. But agree with that big V8 slung way over the front end with awd it's a recipe for understeer