Chris Christie | Full Episode 6.9.23 | Firing Line with Margaret Hoover | PBS
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- Chris Christie discusses his newly launched 2024 presidential bid and why he’s taking direct aim at his former friend and boss Donald Trump. He says the DOJ must indict Trump if they have evidence of crimes in the classified documents investigation.
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He was the first one not afraid to get on the dance....then, everyone slowly followed. I like him.
What kind of dance.
I love the how she hit him with some tough direct questions but in a respectful way and he actually did a good job of answering them.
I mean, it's kind of how things should be, right? They don't deserve a medal for that-- but they certainly have my respect.
Not really, it's the same ol Trump grievance campaign
Make no mistake, she and the rest of MSM are treating him well because he's opposing their arch enemy Donald Trump. But if Christie gets the nomination, they will turn on him before you can say fugetaboutit. Just look at George W. Bush. Oh they love him now because he's anti-Trump, but don't forget these are the same people who called him Nazi 8 years earlier.
@@Yup71719, it wasn’t all about Trump .
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Thank you, Mr. Chris Christie for showing strength and speaking truth to power.. Continue holding their feet to the fire.
“I was wrong” and “I wasn’t ready to be president” are words that represent a breath of fresh air.
Nope he's not qualified to be a President, he FAILED as Governor of NJ.
Commendable interviewer with bold and incisive questions. Christie's answers are equally commendable.
Not so much...talking about the "highest debt in history " caused by "the tax cut was good". He messed up there. He was a good governor. A lot of Never Trumpers hate him, but I haven't been able to figure out WHY.
Herbert Hoover's granddaughter.
Sure she gave a fair interview now because he's attacking the Big Bad Orange Man. But if Christie should win the nomination they will, in Trump's words, turn on him so fast you won't believe it.
Nope
Lean left. Love this guy. Grit and truth. I would consider voting for him. I need to hear his policy frameworks. But I believe Christie could be a strong moderate to unite. 💪🏻
He is a nice guy and he means well. But his policies will be trash Republican policies. Just aren't good for the country.
I am a declared Democrat. Voted for Bernie twice, followed by Clinton and Biden in the general elections. The fact that I can disagree with what Chris Christie says policy-wise, and still feel inspired by him speaks volumes. Not to oversell him; to me, he just seems like any of the dozens of normal Americans I've met throughout my life. He isn't a freak-show attention hog. He isn't a weirdo, obsessed with off-the-wall "culture wars" (as far as I can tell). He just seems like a normal American, who happens to have different policy beliefs than I do. I'm going to vote by policy. But if he keeps this level of statesmanship up, I would never be ashamed to call him my president during a Christie presidential administration.
Well said
Because you and Christie are country first who can have civil conversations about policy
I would not discount him. He certainly is showing more courage and leadership than any others on the bid to be the world leader.
Sorry, I do understand he speaks for the truth now, but at the end of the day, he was once one of Donald Trump's lackeys. It's very hard to trust the words of the MAGA Republican Party, but I believe that there are lots of Republicans who are still normal! I can also honestly say that among the Republican competitors, I considered him to have the courage to go against the playbook of MAGA extremism and slap it on their faces! Being skeptical and not giving full trust to people who once were on the wrong side... For me, it's just normal. Anyway, Mr. Christie earns my respect for this one, and hopefully he can stand firm for what is right this time 'til the end, even if he may not be lucky to be the Republican nominee, just in case.
I call that the beer drinking test....which is would I consider having a beer with thus guy (or gal)? George W Bush passed that test as does Chris Christie. I wouldn't want to be seen with Donald tRUmp
I'm not a republican however Chris Christie definitely has my respect
Christie is legitimately an amazing speaker
( I mean that as a complement).
he wants you to never retire
@@awb19892He wants pension funds that are actually sustainable and don’t drag cities into massive debt
If an idiot like trump can convince this man that he is righteous...then what would Putin do to him!
Funny how people hated him when he worked for Trump and now they love him because he hates him
I have so many policy differences with Chris Christie, but I love that he doesn’t tiptoe around Trump and goes directly at him.
You can overcome policy differences. There is no single candidate I agree with on policy. We need a president who is strong and understands foreign policy and someone who won’t embarrass Americans. At least Christie has a bona fide reason for his rationale
@@mw354 I completely agree with you. He is head and shoulders above any of the other Republicans in the race. I wouldn’t have any issue voting for him.
His speech coming out was really good and incredibly refreshing to hear from a respectable republican. Dare I say it actually gives me some hope for the future of our government that I haven't felt in QUITE a while. As a left leaning centrist, I would consider voting for him over Biden, I just need to know that he will help to start eradicating the MAGA loons already actively mixed in our government and not bend to their will. The country needs to get back to someone who encourages decency, not just blind loyalty like the mob.
CC already lost to tr in 2016 so how have things changed?
@@maryk3458 Nixon lost to Kennedy and then he went on to win in historic landslides against the Democrats.
This guy is a spell de-caster. Lol good on ya Chris. I give him credit for being the one to finally stand up to him and the crazies in their party.
Chris ain't poor (net worth $19 mil), but he is grounded in a way that appeals to blue collar voters, and projects honesty.
Reminiscent of Tiger from An American Tail voiced by Dom DeLuise
you clearly didnt live in new jersey when he was governor. he's a bully and a POS
he's not for 🏳️🌈 😢
@@Youdidnthearme He has been relenting since enacting trans rights in '17, although his anti-same sex marriage stance seems to be lingering. I tend to put him in Mitt Romney's camp, as one whose personal beliefs wouldn't unduly affect public policy decisions. The rest of GOP candidates seem to be openly hostile.
@@danmayberry1185 understood !! i strictly vote on policy not particularly the candidate !!!
Chris Christie has earned my appreciation in one night, thank you for running and speaking so openly especially in a time we desperately need it.
He is so far the best option for repubs...if he doesn't turn weird..like Trump..but Trump was always weird and crazy.
Agreed. The most common sense and person with a sense of reality.
He fell on his face last time. Ain't gonna be any different this time.
If there was ever a case for redemption in politics, Chris Christie is the man
Absolutely
Yes indeed
A guy who wants to cut Social Security? LOL 4:42
Not at all.
This is betrayal and stupidity at the highest levels, and conservative voters will never forgive this.
But, we understand, liberal white-washing and tongue licking gets you more TV time on dying mainstream outlets.
I am a independent that normally votes democrat. I think Gov. Christi for having an open and seemingly honest conversation. Appreciate the revelations that you have had and owning your wrong. I’ve definitely got my eye on you 👁️
Excellent interview. No ambiguity about his views. You know exactly where he stands.
Yeah, from all the discarded snack cake packaging and structural damage.😌
This is a very good interview. The questions and the answers were fenomenal. Really enjoyable
I would vote for him over Trump anytime!
That’s not saying much unless you’re a maga head 😂. But I agree, he’s an admirable guy.
I am a registered Democrat and have never voted for a Republican candidate. I would vote for Christie based on his honesty and willingness to take on the former (criminal) president.
No you wouldn't. That's what all you democrat cultists say in public to try to make people think you're open minded.
Vivek Ramaswamy and RFK Jr. would be a far better ticket.
No you're not and no you wouldn't.
You voting for Christie is a vote for fascism. He is complete garbage.
...and in regards to your second statement:
Yes you have.
I wish more news programs were like Firing Line
I am pretty conservative and anti establishment, but I like her questions and how she conducts an interview.
I like Chris I'm on board for Vivek but he may have just taken second place.
Christie is 100% right……what the hell was Jared and Ivanka doing in the White House on a salary and NO ABILITY to get a security clearance by the US Govt.!🥊🥊
I don't think they took a salary. That is how they got around it. Everyone else paid them but the US government
he might be right on principle but knowing that Cheeto would listen to almost no one, Ivanka being one of the exceptions, it always gave me some comfort to know she was around. She's faaaar from perfect but she's 100 time saner than her dad.
Ivanka doesn’t even have a Bachelors degree and doesn’t know what the word “complicit” means. A dummy, a taker.
@@kathybanks7508they did take a salary. Over 2 million each, I believe. At first Trump said they wouldn’t, but after a year, he said they would be paid.
Do some research, NONE of the Trump family got paid for their public service!!
Great interview. Helps when the politician is telling the truth. Good on christie for doing the right thing.
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Only one who has the balls to say it like it is . All other candidates , specially Ron wannabe trump De Satan don’t have the balls because he is afraid of trump and his nuts followers
Way2go Christi great honest interview God Bless America
I don't know yet if I have many or ANY policy agreements with CC but at least he seems sane...for now. He made a good showing on the CNN Town Hall. Don't underestimate him, he could crush on the debate stage.
Finally somebody that may make me vote republican again 🙌🏽
Somebody that calls a spade a ♠️ !!!
Why would you ever want to vote Republican?
Why not? I was a Republican back in GWB days. Now a registered Democrat but I will vote for a common sense Republican. Vote for what’s best for the country and issues of importance to you not along party line.
@@Eatshhhushi I like Christie too. He makes sense, but it’s a low bar. I’ve wrestled with the possibility of voting for a middle of the road, common sense Republican. What I continually have to remind myself is that they all betrayed their responsibility to the constitution and to basic truth by supporting Trump. Christie isn’t strong enough to wrestle them back from the precipice they are on. My conclusion is that I’ll listen, but will do nothing to empower them; it’s still a fight between democracy and would be authoritarianism. Here’s my other fear Christie does a better job showcasing Biden’s weaknesses as s leader rather than Trump’s and mutes Biden’s support on Election Day.
If he had won in 2016 I would have never stopped being a Republican
@@jamessanders145 no, you wouldn’t have had reason to quit being a Republican. I might have become a Republican. After Trump, though, I don’t know how you trust anyone on the Right with positions of power. They were all complicit as Trump raped this country and they still are. However, I do hope Christie somehow manages to bring the party back and get the nomination. I sure don’t want Trump or DeSantis anywhere near it.
I like the interviewer's style , it's refreshing. She is polite but prepared to ask the questions that people care about.
great--granddaughter of Pres. Herbert Hoover
Finally someone talking about the Kushners
And not talking about the B crime family.
Chris Christie is by far the best republican candidate so far. I would definitely vote for him.
he chowed down a whole 13inches cheesecake after 6k calories dinner totaling 20k calories all within two hours.
You will not vote for Chris....too many calories
As a democrat I would definitely vote for him
@giftbsc5561 he ate a whole 14000 calories cheesecake after 6000 dinner calories adding up to 20k.
Republicans don’t deserve ur vote for a generation or more.
I would vote for Chris Christie, because he demonstrates energized confidence , I trust him out of all the republicans running for office
Me too
Well said Chris
Shame the voters wont even listen to this
With respect, I disagree . I think and truly hope that the American voters are tuned in a lot more than they were beforre this last indictment.
Voters are emotionally invested in Trump, they can't bring themselves to admit they were wrong, partly because they don't feel they have a viable alternative that is not a rino, partly because of the none sense that Tucker and Hannity have spewed out
Trump voters sure won't have no part of him.
He's pure garbage
Trump voters only tune in to what they like to hear e.g Fox News. They will never hear the truth.
Man to here him speak.. excellent direct answers, thank you Mr Christy, well done
Hey dope it's hear!
What a refreshing conversation from the Republican front.
No one is listening to Christie anymore.
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@@THATBOISHAD - That's not true, they will listen because he's the only challenger that has figured out how to compete with Trump.
@@dazzlin_e1642 at 6%?!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Kerfufflekitten- It's not where you start but where you finish that counts.
This man is absolutely the strongest and right person for 2024 presidential election in 2024 (USA).
Chris Christie understands good leadership, something sorely lacking.
Trumps regulatory rollbacks, particularly with Dodd Frank, is what ultimately led to regulatory failure of Silicon Valley Bank, Signature Bank & First Republic Bank.
I've been researching more about Christie and his time as Governor. I like him. He's not a show boat or out here saying popular slogans to earn supporters and votes. I appreciate that. He is the most normal person running for President I've seen so far.
He also is a very talented politician if you want someone that knows how to negotiate with the oposite party he is the MAN.
Chris Christie's fall from grace happened because of bridgegate, which was bad, but it was also pre-Trump, pre-Mueller, pre--COVID, and the type of scandal that the media wouldn't look twice at nowadays and the run of the mill corruption/mismanagement that Americans now just expect.
This guy is going to be making some people think, on both sides. He has nothing to lose here so he's going for it. Let's not forget that he knew all about these things for 4 years, and stood by him.
Dude's a career politician AND from Jersey, no less. I'd honestly be appalled if he didn't have a healthy collection of closet skeletons.
Mclovin first of all you are so very disrespectful in criticizing the state of New Jersey. Chris Christie has no skeletons in his closet he is an honest man, husband, father, and excellent prosecutor never lost a case in state of New Jersey. Unlike Trump he admits when he makes mistakes. As for me 2012 speaker of the house stated Paul Ryan, believes Chris Christie is an excellent candidate to be president, he is a unique candidate who will attack Trump at a different angle that no one has ever done.
So refreshing to hear a well spoken, responsible adult. He could bring the Republican Party back.
This is how an interview should be conducted. Not asking a question then interrupting the answer as well as asking tough questions without being combative.
Read the book "Republican rescue", Christie for president! It seems to me he is the only republican candidate not afraid of Trump, have the courage to speak the truth about the Republican party.
This guy gets my vote - and I'm a Republican. Trump is nothing more than a big cartoon character. Biden is in-over-his head.
If Trump is the nominee the 2024 election will be entirely about his court cases. Biden/Harris will receive zero scrutiny.
A vote for a MAGA-republican is a vote for grifters and trump enablers.
I am a Democrat and I agree with you. Chris Christie is the best the GOP got right now as a candidate. I might vote for him if he is elected as a GOP presidential candidate.
@@Eatshhhushi you must be joking 😂!!!!!
I'm on the left and I agree. The number one reason that Joe Biden is president is because he is old and white and male and the party KNEW that they had to play those cards to shift votes from Trump. It sucks but it is what it is. Trump's an a-hole but Biden is -with all due respect to the man's career and position - WAY too old to be POTUS. Go retire with your hot GMILF wife, Joe!
Dang. I'd hire him as my lawyer
SMART MOVE! T R U M P needs to be held accountable and put in P R I S O N
Great One Margaret. This should be used for training. Wonderful.
Why doesn't any other republican say the things your saying. They make themselves weak and him stronger.
I really like CC...he's got smart old fashioned balls. We so much need that now.
God speed Chris! May you be blessed with the balls of an elephant, the courage of a lion and vocabulary Michael Cohen 😂
She is a class act interviewer
He's got this🎉🎉🎉
Go Christie
I never liked this guy before but thank God a republican finally grew a pair and called trump out
I love what you are saying. Keep up the good work. I love hearing someone that is smart instead of dumb trump comment's.
Where is this Republicans haven't stood against Trump crap coming from? I swear, you people on the left live in your own, warped reality. Jeb Bush, the late George HW, Dubya, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, his former VP Mike Pence, the late John McCain, I haven't heard any Dems criticize the senile old man in office outside of Robert Kennedy Junior.
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Trump is with a capital T and cc will never be heard of again.
I didn’t care for him
much at first either but he’s gained a lot more of my respect over the last couple of years. He’s smart and has integrity.
@@JKFlaker Sarcasm?
Bravo Ms. Hoover! Love your straight forward questions.
Best Chris Christie interview I've seen yet. Congrats PBS! Christie is the only hope for "RETURN TO NORMALCY" for the Republican Party. I look forward to seeing him in the debates.
Hi Chris😂😂😂😂😂
He’s solid and direct while being grounded and deeply experienced and respects the rule of law and institutions. Strength with humility and acknowledging his own faults positions him well. He has a backbone and a great sense of humor.
As other commenters have written, I also am a lifelong Democrat, going so far as to not support a close friend who ran for office as a Republican...that being said, I don't go so far as to vote for a Democratic candidate just because of that fact...instead I support Democratic candidates that are fit for office... I have often listened to what Governor Chris Christie has said because, at least in old fashioned terminology, I like the cut of his job... what I just witnessed in this interview was, while typical of Christie, extremely refreshing, well thought out, and clearly displayed a no holds barred Republican candidate for the presidency...he doesn't mince words, freely admits mistakes, or even at a higher standard, accepts responsibility in the fashion of, "The buck stops here."
If Christie makes it through this first battle, this being the expanding lineup of half steppers, liars, and unaccepting facts and truth types, Christie might just be the first Republican candidate I have ever supported...peter moralez...
Excellent.
Get after it in a major way, Chris. No compromise, no holding back... We've got to get our country out of its madness downspiral. Many of us are going to choose you to do this. Don't underestimate who you're going to have to be to stand in that batter's box. It'll be against a weltering attack such as you've never been through... such as few, ever, have. Self loathing always lashes out blindly in its pain.
Chris Christie is The One normal candidate from Rep. that is possible to listen without an objection.
Christy you did a great job I love you direct honesty and your knowledge of the facts you're in
excellent ❤
Don’t hold back Chris, you can catch up in the polling. You are a far better candidate than the big orange baby, don’t be afraid to stand up to him.
He's not at all worried about TBOB, he's worried about GOP voters.
He tried in 2016 and lost to Trump then so why would you thing his luck would be better?
I will support Christie!
Nobody is afraid of Ompa Lompa especially Trump!
@@neilbruce123 So Trump is in good shape? 😂
Chris Christie is a very exceptional politician! A person who can admit his mistakes outright in the public, speaks volume about his integrity. He is beyond a republican or democrat but a president for all American citizens.
The only thing Christie is coming for is the chow line! This is the guy so impotent with the media and the Bridgegate hoax a box of Viagra wouldn't have helped him. I never saw a guy so gutless as Paul Ryan in his VP debate with Biden but Christie was right there also with the media just a weasel totally scared and he allowed his poll numbers to go from 65% to 13% with his gutless act!
Now with the lying media behind him suddenly a tough guy with Trump!
I'll pass on this slob coward! I watched his coward act in NJ hiding under his desk as Rachel Maddow and company lied about him 24/7 and he did nothing!
George Bush the same way with Obama who blamed him for everything and Bush was silent! A total coward but suddenly he found his voice with Trump!
Chris Christie what a clown fraud coward. He had his chance to defend himself and fight back and lost his nuts!
I’m a full on democratic voter but would support Chris Christie as president.
You go Chris Christie the only republican who dares to condems Trump.
Hats off to Chris Christie. I think he is the best candidate from both sides.
Go Chris Christie👍
I am from Canada. I would vote for Mr. Christie if I live in the United States. His down to earth ways appeal to me the most. Best of luck to you Mr. Christie and more power in the future.
His points on Jared and Ivanka are 100% accurate
Ive noticed that Democrats are willing to call out their party if they do something crazy. The Republicans will cover for their members no matter what. Even if they commit a serious crime in public, they will defend that person. To me that makes the Republican party irrelevant and any voter who looks at them and sees honor is just as bad as them. CC is the prime example. I think Margaret did a good job though.
Please mention a time when Dems have called out craziness on their side because they seem to be embracing the radical left without reservation. Trump has been called out by older Republicans without hesitation.
In which universe do you live?
You're nutso
@@ricardocantoral7672they made Al Franken quit over a joke and the biggest one is Hillary Clinton losing in 2016. Trump only won because voters at that time thought he was the lesser of 2 evils and he loss in 2020 because he became the worst choice between him and Biden. Even now that you know he’s been charged with violating the espionage act, you guys still act like he did nothing wrong. It’s always someone else’s fault.
yeah, I mean look at what democrats did to Cuomo?
We need more republicans to speak about trump like Christy is doing.
Yes, we do!!
Absolutely 💜
Yes we need a guy who left the governorship at 14% 2 speak out about incompetence
Why,,,,you grow some balls and speak out ,just like a black supremacist liberal.wants everyone else to do their shit,,
Be a man speak up
This guy is the only one who has balls to go against the bullying
Listen to what he's saying,, now he knows what's he's talking about, knowledge is power, and he speaks open and honestly, that's what I like about him, direct
I'm a Democrat but this man is a true Republican who is worthy of consideration. We may differ on numerous issues, but a strong and honest debate with compromise is how it's supposed to work. I admire Governor Christie.
Hard to admire him. He's a Jersey politician. And a lawyer. And a Republican. And a former Trumpster.
What Christie has to answer for is his long support for Trump. He supported him in 2016 and 2020. Trump's character flaws were on full display before he ever ran for President. Christie's not blind. He saw them but he decided it was in his own best interest to overlook them. I can't stand Trump and I hope he's jailed because he's so bad but I don't trust Christie either especially when he laughably claims he's a "good judge of character".
I like Christie is someone I would vote for. Christie and Liz Cheney for 2024
Im a life long dem and would seriously vote for Christie over trump & Biden. Surprisingly he is not taken seriously but he should be he can pull from both parties.
Compared to an insane narcissist this guy seems very good.
Joe is bad!
Kristy is an Champ!
Chris Christy has got my vote!
This is the Christ u been waiting for. What a breath of fresh air. Thanks God.
Great interview. Great guest. Great timing.👍
I'm SICK of Trump and will definitely vote for Christie!
you and me both brother.
You are a traitor of the common American by voting for this fraud. Or are you a bot that never can vote?
Said nobody ever
i'm voting for biden to protect LBTQ
@@Youdidnthearme I will vote for Christie
I certainly disagree with him on any number of policy issues, but if he somehow became president, I would have no problem with that whatsoever.
The thing I love most about the Biden presidency is simply not having to say "oh God, what has he said/done now!?" every hour of every day. I can go days on end without thinking about "the president", and it is glorious.
I'm confident Christie would continue this glorious calmness.
YES. CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR PRESIDENT!!!
At last ! A Republican who acknowledges climate change threat is real.
Nordstream pipeline is the worst catastrophe to the climate in history
caused by this administration...
Obama just bought beach front property in Martha's Vinyard..
But won't even try to do what it will take for us to survive it.
@@DynaCatlovesme I’m not American , I do have relatives who are American Republicans. It amazes me that despite the scientific proofs of climate change, they don’t believe in it (at least during the time we discussed the topic). The mere fact that Christie acknowledged the existence of the climate change at least gives hope that a possible Republican President will do something about this. Let’s face it, you Americans vote for your president but the whole world gets affected with the election outcome, whether with the climate, world economy, and order. And to watch what’s happening in your politics, may be amusing, but so worrisome at the same time.
very good iterview. Margaret Hoover does a great job
In college she was known as "the Hoov".
I will give Christie a chance for 2024.
Love Christie. Straight-shooter.
Really important. Next week we want a new update over the Trump indictment. #FiringLineShow
Christie could beat Biden and bring normal republicans back from the brink. I’m a left leaning voter but for all his sins, Christie is the straight talking smart republican the party needs. When he gets the chance to meet Trump face to face it’ll be one hell of a moment!
Don't be fooled. He's a POS
I made a comment saying nearly the same thing before reading any other comments, then noticed there are many people also saying the same thing. Very interesting to see.
no !!!!
If he loses the GOP nomination, then he should be Biden's running mate!
@@dayinthelifeofmycatI disagree but that would clinch Biden.
Awesome interview
With everything that is going on internationally, we need someone like Chris Christie. He is knowledgeable and articulate and he doesn’t back down. And he doesn’t make shit up.
See how low the rights bar is? "HE doesn't make shit up!"☝️😧
As an independent voter whose vote can swing either side, I really hope Christie can make it.
He has my vote… We need more Republicans like him
Chris Christie for President!
Chris Christie is honest and sincere. He tells it like it is and does not mince words. The 🇺🇸 USA needs a leader that can really lead this nation in 2024. Chris Christie has my vote in 2024😊👍❣️
Truthful, maybe. But he is still a republican . He would think nothing about cutting the little man of his benefits and take care of billionairs.
So far this is the guy to vote for.
He doesn’t have a chance-just bitter because he was chosen for a higher office by trump
All Republicans are the ones to vote against. Many Dems too.
a fine candidate
That one time, when I shut down the whole beach so my family could have it all to themselves.
Chris tells the truth.