I’ll never understand why people would want to cancel this project. Yes it is expensive, but it will improve journey times and passenger comfort, which can make up for its cost.
@@thornbottle Faster journey times for London to Birmingham, and assuming Phase 2 is built in it's entirety: Manchester, Liverpool, Preston, Carlisle, Glasgow, etc. Basically for anyone who uses what is currently the most congested rail line in the country. On top of that, it frees up capacity on the existing network for freight trains. More freight trains = less trucks on the road, which means less congestion for anyone who still wants to or needs to drive. Also faster delivery times for anyone using those goods transported by rail. So improved journey times for basically everybody, even if you don't directly use the train.
If not subsidised a standard single between Birmingham and London will be north of a grand, a return two grand, and a FIRST class ticket double that, to save a quarter an hour each way. Apart from the Birmingham based Politicians and Civil servants popping to London at the tax payers expense, who's going to pay the premium? The alternative of adding a three quid HS2 surcharge on every single ticket, in the four nations of the UK, for fifty years, to keep fairs similar to todays full price West Coast or Chilton mainline fares between the cities, isn't likely to be popular.
@@crashboxnat545 - in addition to this, there will be more local and 'semi-fast' services on those lines where HS2 has taken away the fast intercity services. Initially this will be the West Coast Main line, but if HS2 is built in its entirety then the Midland Main line and the East Coast main line will see many more local services provided.
Great to see progress on this - well done to the team! HS2 is a fantastic project - hopefully we will see the new Government thinking long-term and really getting behind high speed rail in the UK and finding a way of getting HS2 up to Manchester, Leeds and beyond.
Well done . Brilliant.hopefully all this experience and expertise will not be lost and the government reverse the decisions not to go to Manchester and Leeds .
Great to see the viaduct reaching this stage. Also good to see so many positive comments. Sad to see the negative comments. This is infrastructure which will be a key part of transportation for the next 200 years. Our future generations will thank us for having this vision, of which this hopefully is just the first stage.
@@TonyAbbeyFETraining .. haha, what complete & utter nonsense! Within a decade of opening, (in about 50 years time given the current rate of progress), this concrete monstrosity of a viaduct will be nothing more than a glorified cycle path & future generations will look back in astonishment & wonder why this monstrous white elephant was ever given the go-ahead to waste billions of pounds. The blatant corruption within HS2 Ltd that's recently been exposed proves beyond doubt that they've been lying to the public & the government since day one of this massive white elephant .. providing misleading projections & "stats" to ensure that billions of pounds kept flowing into the project. It's nothing more than fraud on a gigantic scale.
Didn't you boys get the memo, you are suppose to deliver things at least 6 months late, not 6 months early! Only kidding, it nice to see HS2 coming together at pace and so much it ahead of schedule. It just shows that we are good at building things, just not at the planning things.
I remember this landscape in the snow of March 2018, a quiet field descending to a scrubby corner with an iced over pond, a huge ash tree, an abandoned railway with features of an equestrian centre close by. What an amazing transformation for the locality! The people of Appletree, Aston le Walls and Lower Boddington must be so proud of the contribution being made to the area
I mean, it's not officially cancelled yet. Technically it's still just on hold so could be brought back. There are several think tanks that have advised the government to finish the manchester leg as it'll actually be more expensive to fully cancel it
Has anyone read the "Current passenger numbers from Birmingham to London on West Coast mainline and expected numbers on HS2 (P0018587)" of the Department of Transport, with the forecast 18,000 single journeys between London and Birmingham, from the mid 2030's, or 6 to 7 million annual single journeys. A scheme that will employ 28,000 bodies at its peak, and have annual operating costs of six to seven billion.
Well here we are again Andrew. You keep peddling this nonsense but one look at CURRENT usage makes your numbers look completely out of date. According to the Office of Rail and Road between April 2023 and March 2024, Avanti West Coast had 32.8 million passenger journeys. What you selectively do is fabricate a number for London to Birmingham when HS2 will remove ALL express trains off the WCML. Regardless of whether they go to Birmingham, Manchester or Glasgow. And you quote the 'operating costs of six to seven billion' with no sources or facts but i bet that is for the WHOLE of the WCML express operation not just to Brum. You NIMBY Anti-HS2 brigade need to stop this false selectivity....
Nice viaduct but what’s the point? Line iservices 1/2 the destinations it was designed to, doesn’t terminate in London where it’s supposed to and the speeds are being reduced over H&S fears. Nice viaduct though!
HS2, if limited to what is currently under construction, doesn't make much sense. That is why it is so important to reinstate Euston to Old Oak Common and Handsacre to Crewe at the very least - followed by Crewe to Manchester and Birmingham to Leeds. Not many rail professionals would disagree. Thing is, people are going to get very upset in the years to come with London and Birmingham having a 360kph link and the rest of the country still using Victorian railways.
It would have been much cheaper to put 90% of the line underground in tunnels. No compulsory purchases. No delays caused by lawyers. No expensive bridges or disruption to existing rivers, roads, electricity cables or pipes used for gas or water.
Turkey started their high-speed lines in 2003 by 2009 the first trains were running. Uk 2009 HS2 was firstproposed Only half the proposed route will open by 2033. What hope does the UK have if we can even build much needed Infastucture outside of London
That sounds like some train! Each wagon would be over a thousand tonnes with axle loads over 250 tonnes. I would like to see the rail bridge that could take that! Bridges are generally designed to a standard loading. Though HS2 is a passenger only railway, it will be designed for freight loading due to maintenance trains etc.
I've lost all interest in the HS2 rail project since it was reduced to Old Oak Common to Birmingham. Sorry guys but a 120 mile doesn't sound great does it. Not your fault though, it's the bean counters. I wish you all the greatest success with this now mini HS2, but unfortunately my excitement has diminished.
There are so many other countries where an identical project would be on time, on budget (and much cheaper) and the trains would actually be fast. This shows us up, massively.
Actually, the trains will be going a good old lick, considering the relatively short distances involved. Some would say, HS2 could have been built alot cheaper, if we dropped the highest speed a quantum. You cannot start expecting the speeds that other, much larger countries, have designed for their HS networks smashing across open, hardly occupied, plains.
@@JohnHoward-wc9kkThe first generation HS2 trains will do 360kph (225mph) maximum and have an operating speed of 320kph (200mph). The linespeed will be 400kph (250mph), which allows for future trains operating when the electricity supply has been decarbonised. HS2 will be one of the fastest conventional railways in the world. Higher speed is more expensive but is not a major driver of cost. For example, only one bored tunnel on the Phase 1 route is designed for 400kph (the mile long Long Itchington tunnel) - because trains accelerating from Old Oak Common, London will not achieve that speed until past the Chiltern tunnel. Speed reduces journey time so encouraging more passengers and shift from planes and roads and also making more efficient use of trains and their crews.
@@martinsloman6905 yea that may have been the sales pitch for HS2, and non of that is currently true, the entire network has been downgraded to cut costs, maximum operating speeds are 300kph/186mph (Still decent but not for the cost), there will also be less trains running and also less frequently. The line will not be one the fastest in the world either, we will sit joint bottom with Italy of the fastest trains in the developed world, heck even Morocco has a faster line then us.due to the downgrade. If you are going to build a network from scratch why not future proof it from the start, build it with a 50 year lifespan in mind and ramp up those speeds if you are really going to build world class infrastructure. China builds 12000km of highspeed rail every YEAR and we cant build 200 miles in 20 years.
@@jasonlee4267 I'm not aware of any decision on downgrading train speeds. The line is engineered for 400kph maximum and there is no reason why London to Birmingham trains shouldn't run at the 360kph maximum speed as they will be on HS2 infrastructure all the way. Unless you have other information, this sounds like the proposal made a few months ago to downgrade HS2 train maximum speed to allow Pendolinos to run at 155mph (which they do in Italy). That would enable train times to the North and Scotland to be competitive. At present it is simply a proposal. The current cutback route makes little sense. To avoid a bottleneck at Stafford, Phase 2a (Birmingham to Crewe) is essential. The former government's 'Network North" plan included Tatton to Manchester Piccadilly (via Manchester Airport) so that leaves Crewe to Tatton - a simple cross-country route. HS2 is future proofed. It's linespeed is 400kph and it allows for 18tph per direction, which future signalling improvements may increase. China comparisons are interesting but that is a very different economy and society to ours. Apparently they poured the same volume of concrete in the last three years that the USA did in the whole 20th Century. Not saying we couldn't do a lot better in the UK.
Not heard of this viaduct before and I watch most HS2 videos! HS2 really have done a terrible job of promoting this project, they really needed to change public hearts and minds. That failure gave government the political space for the cancellations.
Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, all our celebrity engineers: Brunel, Telford, Stephenson etc. died without making a single TH-cam video. There is a great video by Gareth Dennis ' Rail Natter: Packham's Porkies' where he takes apart the claims made by Chris Packham who presents himself as an expert on HS2. Still who wants to hear from a railway engineer when they can listen to an expert like Packham?
Why not hire Elon musks boring company to make its tunnels to make faster travel for people and ease travel congestion. Ive used the vegas loop although at the moment you have only 1 mile but it is part of a much larger project.
FIRST 😮 Kidding, right ? What ya been doing all this time, ffs I'd love to see ALL of HS2 built and then onto HS 3 4 5 etc etc this country is a laughing stock with its lack of high speed rail network
I don’t care , it’s a massive white elephant and a waste of money for very little gain . Someone somewhere is making a hell of a lot of money out of this !
Freeing up rail capacity on an extremely crowded west coast mainline is quite a big gain really. More space > more rail freight > less trucks on the roads and less congestion.
@user-bh3me3yn6h Because that is also really expensive. HS1 is a resounding success, and if the tories hadn't spent a few years messing around with the funding HS2 would have been a huge success aswell.
@user-bh3me3yn6hA normal railway that no one simply won't use, this is where the Victorian simply went wrong building tracks and stations in the middle of no where with fewer passengers on a mix rail line HS2 will solve this problem by removing the High Speed trains of the West Coast mainline onto it own set of tracks and run 8 trains an hour's and to free more space on the West coast mainline for more commuters train to run in and out of Birmingham London and Manchester and Crewe.
What a complete waste of money £££ all going into old pals back pockets 🤬will not improve times not going to Euston anymore 😱 you could get to Euston quicker on the Virgin train 🚆 HS2 you will have to change trains 😱. Then there’s the mess you have made of country side Warwickshire where I live ITS LIKE A SCAR GOING THROUGH THE GREEN Fields, the hours I wasted at temporary traffic lights 🚦 and miles of diversion I have travelled. ALL A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY
Think you need to do some research and stop listening to media lies, first off the West Coast High Speed Trains are not run by Virgin no more, it run by Avanti West Coast, Those Pendolino and Super Voyager trains which are currently on the West Coast mainline will transfer to HS2 line and will run to London Euston once the Government transfer the final section of HS2 to private building companies. So passenger will have no other opition to use HS2.
But its not fast. Bullet trains exist in many countries. They reduce journey times. Spending all this money, ruining so much countryside and we've done a half-hearted effort at best. We are proving ourselves almost incompetent on a world stage. It's a farce.
HS2 does need to go to Euston but, even so, few people will have Euston as their final destination and will often travel on to such places as the West End, the City, Canary Wharf and Heathrow Airport - places that will be easily accessible with one change of train at Old Oak Common onto the Elizabeth Line.
@@lovingcanals Well, I'm a pensioner as well but I am not blaming important national infrastructure for my lost heating allowance. Projects such as HS2 are financed by government borrowing against future economic growth. It follows that, had we invested in projects like this years ago - projects that expand the economy and, therefore, increase taxable income then maybe we could have twice the heating allowance. I hope that both you and I get to travel on HS2 but, if not, we will have made a lot of use of infrastructure paid for by former taxpayers who probably never dreamed of heating allowance.
Chilterns 16KM tunnel is definitely a real tunnel. The green tunnels you are referring too, are dug out, constructed and then re-covered. Which is a lot cheaper than tunnel boring machines. And still very much a tunnel at the end.
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Well done, great bit of engineering, the detractors will be forgotten with time, but your efforts will not!
Incredible work and engineering, congratulations 👍
I’ll never understand why people would want to cancel this project. Yes it is expensive, but it will improve journey times and passenger comfort, which can make up for its cost.
improve journey times for who exactly? people going from birmingham to london and vice versa, absolutely useless for anyone else
@@thornbottle Faster journey times for London to Birmingham, and assuming Phase 2 is built in it's entirety: Manchester, Liverpool, Preston, Carlisle, Glasgow, etc. Basically for anyone who uses what is currently the most congested rail line in the country. On top of that, it frees up capacity on the existing network for freight trains. More freight trains = less trucks on the road, which means less congestion for anyone who still wants to or needs to drive. Also faster delivery times for anyone using those goods transported by rail.
So improved journey times for basically everybody, even if you don't directly use the train.
If not subsidised a standard single between Birmingham and London will be north of a grand, a return two grand, and a FIRST class ticket double that, to save a quarter an hour each way. Apart from the Birmingham based Politicians and Civil servants popping to London at the tax payers expense, who's going to pay the premium? The alternative of adding a three quid HS2 surcharge on every single ticket, in the four nations of the UK, for fifty years, to keep fairs similar to todays full price West Coast or Chilton mainline fares between the cities, isn't likely to be popular.
@@AndrewRoberts11 I'm sorry, but where on earth are you getting those numbers? The current journey doesn't even cost a fraction of that.
@@crashboxnat545 - in addition to this, there will be more local and 'semi-fast' services on those lines where HS2 has taken away the fast intercity services. Initially this will be the West Coast Main line, but if HS2 is built in its entirety then the Midland Main line and the East Coast main line will see many more local services provided.
Great to see progress on this - well done to the team! HS2 is a fantastic project - hopefully we will see the new Government thinking long-term and really getting behind high speed rail in the UK and finding a way of getting HS2 up to Manchester, Leeds and beyond.
Well done . Brilliant.hopefully all this experience and expertise will not be lost and the government reverse the decisions not to go to Manchester and Leeds .
Great to see the viaduct reaching this stage. Also good to see so many positive comments. Sad to see the negative comments. This is infrastructure which will be a key part of transportation for the next 200 years. Our future generations will thank us for having this vision, of which this hopefully is just the first stage.
@@TonyAbbeyFETraining .. haha, what complete & utter nonsense!
Within a decade of opening, (in about 50 years time given the current rate of progress), this concrete monstrosity of a viaduct will be nothing more than a glorified cycle path & future generations will look back in astonishment & wonder why this monstrous white elephant was ever given the go-ahead to waste billions of pounds.
The blatant corruption within HS2 Ltd that's recently been exposed proves beyond doubt that they've been lying to the public & the government since day one of this massive white elephant .. providing misleading projections & "stats" to ensure that billions of pounds kept flowing into the project.
It's nothing more than fraud on a gigantic scale.
Good job lads.
What a massive project, can’t wait to take a trip on the hs2!
You better start saving then because you're gonna get one hell of a shock when you find out the ticket prices!
@@CRIMSONANT1 Here another episode of bullshit nonsense from anti @Crimsonant1, The Government hasn't even release the tickets prices yet for HS2.
Didn't you boys get the memo, you are suppose to deliver things at least 6 months late, not 6 months early!
Only kidding, it nice to see HS2 coming together at pace and so much it ahead of schedule. It just shows that we are good at building things, just not at the planning things.
Thanks for an upload with a commentary. It makes all the difference to your visually impaired followers.
I remember this landscape in the snow of March 2018, a quiet field descending to a scrubby corner with an iced over pond, a huge ash tree, an abandoned railway with features of an equestrian centre close by. What an amazing transformation for the locality! The people of Appletree, Aston le Walls and Lower Boddington must be so proud of the contribution being made to the area
Great engineering,well done
Just wish H2 would of done a tv series how it built for the whole project
I don't think we will never get one of those again especially as some of stuff in the BBC one turn out to be lies.
Totally agree. Really enjoy their updates and wish there were more.Can you imagine the negative nellies moaning about it?
... would HAVE done ...
It would never be finished 😂
@@colinu9209it 50% finished, just another 50% to go. If the Victorian had attitude like people today, we still be riding horses and carts.😅
It's criminal its not going to the north anymore
I mean, it's not officially cancelled yet. Technically it's still just on hold so could be brought back. There are several think tanks that have advised the government to finish the manchester leg as it'll actually be more expensive to fully cancel it
@@zuluhyena305 They already sold the right of way, so dont know how theyd bring it back
HS2 rains will still go to Manchester and Glasgow but use legacy tracks north of Birmingham. That is the amended plan at present.
@@lukasschmitz1799None has been sold. No one would buy it that quick with how uncertain the government has been
@@lukasschmitz1799they have sold nothing…..yet
Well done all, it's unusual to hear this type of news, good positive news. 👌🥂🤓
Has anyone read the "Current passenger numbers from Birmingham to London on West Coast mainline and expected numbers on HS2 (P0018587)" of the Department of Transport, with the forecast 18,000 single journeys between London and Birmingham, from the mid 2030's, or 6 to 7 million annual single journeys. A scheme that will employ 28,000 bodies at its peak, and have annual operating costs of six to seven billion.
Well here we are again Andrew. You keep peddling this nonsense but one look at CURRENT usage makes your numbers look completely out of date. According to the Office of Rail and Road between April 2023 and March 2024, Avanti West Coast had 32.8 million passenger journeys. What you selectively do is fabricate a number for London to Birmingham when HS2 will remove ALL express trains off the WCML. Regardless of whether they go to Birmingham, Manchester or Glasgow.
And you quote the 'operating costs of six to seven billion' with no sources or facts but i bet that is for the WHOLE of the WCML express operation not just to Brum.
You NIMBY Anti-HS2 brigade need to stop this false selectivity....
Avoid negative comments. Go ahead ✌️👍
Nice viaduct but what’s the point? Line iservices 1/2 the destinations it was designed to, doesn’t terminate in London where it’s supposed to and the speeds are being reduced over H&S fears. Nice viaduct though!
HS2, if limited to what is currently under construction, doesn't make much sense. That is why it is so important to reinstate Euston to Old Oak Common and Handsacre to Crewe at the very least - followed by Crewe to Manchester and Birmingham to Leeds. Not many rail professionals would disagree.
Thing is, people are going to get very upset in the years to come with London and Birmingham having a 360kph link and the rest of the country still using Victorian railways.
Why are projects so slow in progress in the UK?
so the next part is not even started ,should there not be some movement on that front,just bare land both neds
But, how much over budget?
It would have been much cheaper to put 90% of the line underground in tunnels. No compulsory purchases. No delays caused by lawyers. No expensive bridges or disruption to existing rivers, roads, electricity cables or pipes used for gas or water.
This should have been built years ago
I cant help but feel this hole project is a massive waste of money, to only benefit one route between two cities that really aint that far apart!
Why do we need to build noise-cancelling viaducts in the middle of an empty field?
Sheep and cows are getting very litiguous these days.
Earmarked as potential housing in the future maybe?
Because there are numerous stakeholders located within earshot of the viaduct.
@@jasonlee4267 that would be a good idea
@@jasonlee4267I doubt anyone will want to live within a mile of HS2. At 240 mph the noise will be unbelievable.
Functional yes, but no design flair go to Europe and see some beautiful and functional viaducts.
How does that take 2yrs to build?
Turkey started their high-speed lines in 2003 by 2009 the first trains were running.
Uk 2009 HS2 was firstproposed
Only half the proposed route will open by 2033.
What hope does the UK have if we can even build much needed Infastucture outside of London
Great news for the 7 people that actually want to use this waste of money.
can they take a 50,000 tonne freight with 40 wagons? I very much doubt it
That sounds like some train! Each wagon would be over a thousand tonnes with axle loads over 250 tonnes. I would like to see the rail bridge that could take that!
Bridges are generally designed to a standard loading. Though HS2 is a passenger only railway, it will be designed for freight loading due to maintenance trains etc.
the answer isno...far to dangerous for freight to run at that speed....its all bullshit to say so
I've lost all interest in the HS2 rail project since it was reduced to Old Oak Common to Birmingham. Sorry guys but a 120 mile doesn't sound great does it. Not your fault though, it's the bean counters. I wish you all the greatest success with this now mini HS2, but unfortunately my excitement has diminished.
Great engineering - major eye sore.
Two years. The Chinese would have built that over a weekend !!!!
Congratulations gents
I'd like a breakdown of rates of pay for each major job type on site and overtime rates. These guys must be raking it in.
So not a complete waste of money then ?
No, HS2 will be use by million of passengers a year.
nice, cutting up our northamptonshire countryside and not even stopping here
Insane money pit...why are we building it ?
There are so many other countries where an identical project would be on time, on budget (and much cheaper) and the trains would actually be fast. This shows us up, massively.
Actually, the trains will be going a good old lick, considering the relatively short distances involved. Some would say, HS2 could have been built alot cheaper, if we dropped the highest speed a quantum. You cannot start expecting the speeds that other, much larger countries, have designed for their HS networks smashing across open, hardly occupied, plains.
@@JohnHoward-wc9kkThe first generation HS2 trains will do 360kph (225mph) maximum and have an operating speed of 320kph (200mph). The linespeed will be 400kph (250mph), which allows for future trains operating when the electricity supply has been decarbonised. HS2 will be one of the fastest conventional railways in the world.
Higher speed is more expensive but is not a major driver of cost. For example, only one bored tunnel on the Phase 1 route is designed for 400kph (the mile long Long Itchington tunnel) - because trains accelerating from Old Oak Common, London will not achieve that speed until past the Chiltern tunnel.
Speed reduces journey time so encouraging more passengers and shift from planes and roads and also making more efficient use of trains and their crews.
@@martinsloman6905 yea that may have been the sales pitch for HS2, and non of that is currently true, the entire network has been downgraded to cut costs, maximum operating speeds are 300kph/186mph (Still decent but not for the cost), there will also be less trains running and also less frequently.
The line will not be one the fastest in the world either, we will sit joint bottom with Italy of the fastest trains in the developed world, heck even Morocco has a faster line then us.due to the downgrade.
If you are going to build a network from scratch why not future proof it from the start, build it with a 50 year lifespan in mind and ramp up those speeds if you are really going to build world class infrastructure.
China builds 12000km of highspeed rail every YEAR and we cant build 200 miles in 20 years.
@@jasonlee4267 I'm not aware of any decision on downgrading train speeds. The line is engineered for 400kph maximum and there is no reason why London to Birmingham trains shouldn't run at the 360kph maximum speed as they will be on HS2 infrastructure all the way.
Unless you have other information, this sounds like the proposal made a few months ago to downgrade HS2 train maximum speed to allow Pendolinos to run at 155mph (which they do in Italy). That would enable train times to the North and Scotland to be competitive. At present it is simply a proposal.
The current cutback route makes little sense. To avoid a bottleneck at Stafford, Phase 2a (Birmingham to Crewe) is essential. The former government's 'Network North" plan included Tatton to Manchester Piccadilly (via Manchester Airport) so that leaves Crewe to Tatton - a simple cross-country route.
HS2 is future proofed. It's linespeed is 400kph and it allows for 18tph per direction, which future signalling improvements may increase.
China comparisons are interesting but that is a very different economy and society to ours. Apparently they poured the same volume of concrete in the last three years that the USA did in the whole 20th Century.
Not saying we couldn't do a lot better in the UK.
@@martinsloman6905 Thanks for those operational facts. They are the detail that the general public is not aware of.
Not heard of this viaduct before and I watch most HS2 videos!
HS2 really have done a terrible job of promoting this project, they really needed to change public hearts and minds. That failure gave government the political space for the cancellations.
Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, all our celebrity engineers: Brunel, Telford, Stephenson etc. died without making a single TH-cam video. There is a great video by Gareth Dennis ' Rail Natter: Packham's Porkies' where he takes apart the claims made by Chris Packham who presents himself as an expert on HS2. Still who wants to hear from a railway engineer when they can listen to an expert like Packham?
Why not hire Elon musks boring company to make its tunnels to make faster travel for people and ease travel congestion.
Ive used the vegas loop although at the moment you have only 1 mile but it is part of a much larger project.
FIRST 😮 Kidding, right ? What ya been doing all this time, ffs
I'd love to see ALL of HS2 built and then onto HS 3 4 5 etc etc this country is a laughing stock with its lack of high speed rail network
Nobody other than train nerds and the contractors are celebrating! What a bunch of clowns you all are.
I don’t care , it’s a massive white elephant and a waste of money for very little gain . Someone somewhere is making a hell of a lot of money out of this !
Freeing up rail capacity on an extremely crowded west coast mainline is quite a big gain really. More space > more rail freight > less trucks on the roads and less congestion.
@user-bh3me3yn6h Because that is also really expensive. HS1 is a resounding success, and if the tories hadn't spent a few years messing around with the funding HS2 would have been a huge success aswell.
@user-bh3me3yn6hIsn't that what HS2 is?
@user-bh3me3yn6hA normal railway that no one simply won't use, this is where the Victorian simply went wrong building tracks and stations in the middle of no where with fewer passengers on a mix rail line HS2 will solve this problem by removing the High Speed trains of the West Coast mainline onto it own set of tracks and run 8 trains an hour's and to free more space on the West coast mainline for more commuters train to run in and out of Birmingham London and Manchester and Crewe.
@morph- hs1 has never achieved the passenger projections which underpinned it.
It's nice to have, but as with most rail, a money pit.
What a complete waste of money £££ all going into old pals back pockets 🤬will not improve times not going to Euston anymore 😱 you could get to Euston quicker on the Virgin train 🚆 HS2 you will have to change trains 😱. Then there’s the mess you have made of country side Warwickshire where I live ITS LIKE A SCAR GOING THROUGH THE GREEN Fields, the hours I wasted at temporary traffic lights 🚦 and miles of diversion I have travelled.
ALL A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY
Think you need to do some research and stop listening to media lies, first off the West Coast High Speed Trains are not run by Virgin no more, it run by Avanti West Coast, Those Pendolino and Super Voyager trains which are currently on the West Coast mainline will transfer to HS2 line and will run to London Euston once the Government transfer the final section of HS2 to private building companies. So passenger will have no other opition to use HS2.
But its not fast. Bullet trains exist in many countries. They reduce journey times. Spending all this money, ruining so much countryside and we've done a half-hearted effort at best. We are proving ourselves almost incompetent on a world stage. It's a farce.
Better than living near a motorway ....believe me.
HS2 does need to go to Euston but, even so, few people will have Euston as their final destination and will often travel on to such places as the West End, the City, Canary Wharf and Heathrow Airport - places that will be easily accessible with one change of train at Old Oak Common onto the Elizabeth Line.
Is that what the Victorians said when they built railway lines to the middle of nowhere and then suddenly towns appeared?
No one wants this.
I do. 😊
I don't! Sure the 6 million pensioners that have just lost their fuel allowance can't wait to use it!
@@lovingcanals Well, I'm a pensioner as well but I am not blaming important national infrastructure for my lost heating allowance. Projects such as HS2 are financed by government borrowing against future economic growth. It follows that, had we invested in projects like this years ago - projects that expand the economy and, therefore, increase taxable income then maybe we could have twice the heating allowance.
I hope that both you and I get to travel on HS2 but, if not, we will have made a lot of use of infrastructure paid for by former taxpayers who probably never dreamed of heating allowance.
The tunnels aren’t proper ones , excavating and dropping in Lego concrete isn’t tunneling proper
Chilterns 16KM tunnel is definitely a real tunnel. The green tunnels you are referring too, are dug out, constructed and then re-covered. Which is a lot cheaper than tunnel boring machines. And still very much a tunnel at the end.