Episodes 5 & 6... with that ending in ep 6, really curious to everyone's reaction! What's your thoughts so far? Full Reactions on Patreon: www.patreon.com/baddmedicine Backup channel Subscribe here th-cam.com/channels/1CLUwA27dz-94o3FR0o3xg.html
You 100% just saw the beginning of Mt Doom. I think Adar does believe he killed Sauron, and I’m curious on why he didn’t recognize Halbrand (an elf wouldn’t just forget someone), and asked him who he was at the end 👀 I also have no idea how they will survive the eruption. Makes me wonder if the stranger will have anything to do with it? Glad you guys enjoyed that!
I am sorry that I am advertising for another TH-cam channel but i feel like it’s necessary. There is a new channel for this series called rings and realms and they are analyzing the series by people who are really capable and know basically everything about Tolkien’s world. The people who just trash this series just want to hate. If you see how much hidden lore is in this series without even having a lot of the rights it’s amazing. The showmakers have really thought this series threw but people just don’t see the beauty of it. Despite some problems, obviously everyone has their own taste, but this blinded hate is just not necessary. In the end it’s about If you want to hate an adaption because it’s an adaption or do you want to understand why they did what they did. And what they did is often really clever without people giving credit to them, probably because they just don’t want to understand it
@@cubonemaker5080 Sauron was a Maiar that changed shapes a lot. Their physical bodies can die but then won't, and will essentially come back in another form. The only reason Sauron was truly defeated in lotr is because he put so much of his essence into the ring that destroying it destroyed his "essence".
@@petermisberg732 I think unfortunately the lotr jackson movies aren't true to the spirit of tolkiens work. Tolkien will stop mid battle and describe the grass and foliage and its beauty. It's meant to be slow, very slow, and a lot of world building. It doesn't translate super well to tv so they sped a lot of things up during the jacksons movies. Now rings of power is speeding up literal centuries, so it's even harder to do.
@@Saphthings In the end its an adaptation and you cant just make a movie or a series from a book without changing things thats just not possible. Just compare the length of the audiobook with the movie you have to cut so much and still include a lot of pictures about the surroundings. Therefore a series is a great way to portrait tolkiens world they have so much more time. I would just hope that people are more appreciative that they get a new look at the world tolkien created because the showrunners definitly thought a lot about how they do it.
So that was Mount Doom. You are right. The orcs wanted a land without sunlight, and Mount Doom will continually spew out ash and smoke to block out the sunlight. So the orcs can have their home in Mordor. I think most of what is coming out of that eruption is ash and smoke. Cause several of those characters have to survive. But yes, I loved the stunts, the battle sequences, and so much in this episode 😁
Wow what a episode love it. I've heard so many people given c*** to this show. I love the show the visuals are amazing the characters are great and the story is great I mean yeah it was a little slow at 1st but they have to build the characters the story
@@cubablue602 different people, different reactions. Some froze, some panic, and some able to calm during the chaos. The villagers were panicking, Galad was calm not because she's an idiot, but she knew it would be pointless tried to hide or run. She felt defeated.
YES! It's Mount Doom. We just witnessed the first eruption of Mount Doom. This is the first step in transforming the Southlands into Mordor. Drowning the sun at making the lands hospitabel for Orcs to live in. Also, Galadriel and co, did not get hid by lava, but darkness.
Something I've noticed, there were no horses in Middle Earth until Numenor arrives. This is canonical, but would have happened long before this. It explains Galadriel's love for the horse ride, since she didn't have a horse for centuries. Elves had horses in Valinor, but didn't take them, as I understand. It doesn't explain how Halbrand is so skilled a rider, though.
There were horses in Middle-earth. Hurin's horse was named Aroch ('Roch' being the Sindarin word for 'horse' and the source of the name 'Rohan'). Heck, the first Vala to discover that the Elves had awakened was Orome the hunter, riding a horse. I cannot tell if it is intentional that there are no horses shown in Middle-earth in this show. It does make the transit between Lindon and Eregion sort of ridiculous.
@@majkus Yeah, I was going through and reading more after I posted. There are debates on who actually used horses after the return to Valinor, but they're definitely doing something hinky with horses in RoP. I'd already noticed that the humans had cattle, but no other beasts of burden when they left their villages. Generally, you use man power when the land isn't suited to burden beasts. Not a problem in the Southlands. Linden elves should have had some beasts, somehow. Unless, of course, they teleport.
@@Jehphg We've seen villagers traveling, and refugees. There should be pack ponies there, given that they have wagons. I've only seen milk cows, not burden beasts, either. The harfoots had carts appropriate for people pulling, mostly, but I think they forgot about that with humans.
To explain the volcano. The evil forces had a defense system that would flood the enemies. Adar had the orcs make tunnels to channel the water instead to the volcano, causing a thermal explosion that set off the volcano. That's actually how a lot of eruptions happen. And yes, the "Southlands" are essentially "Mordor". And Halbrand was just made the king of "Mordor". That was the birth of Mt. Doom.
no, thats not how volcanos erupt... they do it the tension from the rising magma grows too big or if the magma flows underground hit the groundwater itself and the expanding steam has no way to escape... here it obvious had this way to release all the steam... through that gigantic hole in the cavern, that is quiet huge... its the same principle as a water kettle..
@Belegur Hi, this is Saphthings, the person with a degree in physics and geology... You also literally did this: Me: "A lot of Volcanoes erupt when magma comes into contact with water" You: "No, that's not how they erupt, they usually erupt when the magma comes into contact with groundwater"... ... You even literally used a "_WATER_ kettle" as an example... Here's one of the excerpts from one of the studies I was part with called. "Explosive volcanoes fueled by water": "University of Oregon geologists have tapped water in surface rocks to show how magma forms deep underground and produces explosive volcanoes in the Cascade Range. "Water is a key player," says Paul J. Wallace, a professor in the UO's Department of Geological Sciences and coauthor of a paper in the May issue of Nature Geoscience. "It's important not just for understanding how you make magma and volcanoes, but also because the big volcanoes that we have in the Cascades -- like Mount Lassen and Mount St. Helens -- tend to erupt explosively, in part because they have lots of water. The discovery helps solve a puzzle about plate tectonics and Earth's deep water cycle beneath the Pacific Ring of Fire, which scientists began studying in the 1960s to understand the region's propensity for big earthquakes and explosive volcanoes. The ring stretches from New Zealand, along the eastern edge of Asia, north across the Aleutian Islands of Alaska and south along the coast of North and South America. It contains more than 75 percent of the planet's volcanoes. To understand how water affects subduction of the oceanic plate, in which layers of different rock types sink into the mantle, the UO team studied hydrogen isotopes in water contained in tiny blobs of glass trapped in olivine crystals in basalt. A five-member team, led by UO doctoral student Kristina J. Walowski, methodically examined water and other elements contained in olivine-rich basalt samples that were gathered from cinder cone volcanoes that surround Lassen Peak in Northern California, at the southern edge of the Cascade chain. That combination opened a window on how rising temperatures during subduction drive water out of different parts of the subducted oceanic crust, Walowski said. Water migrates upwards and causes the top of the subducted oceanic crust to melt, producing magma beneath the Cascade volcanoes. The key part of the study, Wallace said, involved hydrogen isotopes. "Most of the hydrogen in water contains a single proton," he said. "But there's also a heavy isotope, deuterium, which has a neutron in addition to the proton. It is important to measure the ratio of the two isotopes. We use this ratio as a thermometer, or probe, to study what's happening deep inside the earth." "Melting of the subducting oceanic crust and the mantle rock above it would not be possible without the addition of water," Walowski said. "Once the melts reach the surface, the water can directly affect the explosiveness of magma. However, evidence for this information is lost to the atmosphere during violent eruptions." But thanks for trying to mansplain what I actually do by rephrasing what I actually said. So, like I said, contact between water and magma is how a lot of volcanoes erupt... Unless you thought I meant that volcanoes usually erupt from ancient water dams being opened by a hellblade and being channeled into orc dug tunnels... Where I would then just plain question your sanity, not your reading comprehension. And yes, even rain can induce an eruption.
Awesome reaction as always guys, it finally looks like we're picking up pace on this show and that's awesome! Just a minor thing, only THE One Ring was forged in Mount Doom, and only the One is destroyed in Mount Doom, as we see at the end of the Return of the King. The others, well, I would suspect we'll see where they're crafted somewhere in this series given the name of the show, so I won't spoil it for you 😅
What we witnessed at the end is a fairly realistic volcanic eruption with some fantasy elements mixed in. Water flowing into magma is one of the main mechanics for volcanic eruptions. In this type of eruption the super heated magma instantly flash boils the water causing a super powerful explosion the force of which easily compromises the stone in the mountain causing the main eruption. The blast that emerges from the mountain is not a pyroclastic flow like the one that destroyed Pompeii it is instead a cloud of steam mixed with a variety of dirt particles racing across the lands at high speeds. Due to the sheer distance the mountain is from the town by the time the steam reaches them it has lost most of its energy so while it might be harmful it shouldn't be instantly lethal to most people. Another note is that Sauron is a higher type of being like Gandalf. The Balrog in Fellowship did kill Gandalf but that was not the end of him, he was able to return to life. In much the same way its possible that Adar really did destroy Saurons physical form but that does not mean he was permanently killed so that statement might not have been a lie.
haha you are stretching beyond all reason. It is a pyroclastic flow, and you can see lava destroying the hut Adar was in. Everyone should be dead, esp. the extras running straight into it lol
And Mordor is created. So, does anything think Halbrand will be involved in forging the ring? His role seems critical, and I have my suspicions about him.
This episode was the best. But it is certainly not on par with the two Trilogies. The battle in this episode, though entertaining can be described as a skirmish at best in which our heroes are defending just a tavern of sorts. Compare this to Helm's Deep where there were 10000 uruk hai present and the heroes were defending an entire fortress and the fate of an entire kingdom depended on it. We expected a lot more from this show especially with such a high budget. This show overall has the look and feel of an above average adaptation of a fantasy video game like Elder Scrolls.
I’m seriously liking this show. I haven’t read the books so I have a question about the Hartfoots I think they’re called. How big/small are they? Are they smaller than hobbits, dwarves? The meteor man is he human size or giant size? Does anyone know?
I'm sure it's been said in the comments already, but the device Waldreg opened caused the mountain formerly known as Orodruin to explode, thus becoming Mount Doom. The device was created by Sauron to create a land of perpetual darkness caused by the active volcano. It will provide a permanent settlement for Orcs where he will build strongholds and armaments. The key to unlocking the device, the sword, was an indestructible object for good reason. I think Galadriel stood there rather dumbfounded in horror as a sort of "What have I done?" moment. She and other Elves have survived worse than ash clouds, so she'll be fine.
good that Sauron ( i rather think it was Morgoth, as the whole Mordor plot is said to be Morgoths fallback plan) crafted this key... not that it was needed in any way, as one just had to destroy the dam and had the exact same effect... well of cause onehad to built all the tunnels and channels whoever had crafted the "key" had couriosly enough not thought about... this whole plan is from the start so convoluted and contrieved, it is an insult to the intelligence of teh audience... P.S. that the water has to flow uphill at the end of its travel to the rise of Orodruin (Mount Doom) is just an add-on to this travesty
A pyroclastic flow is NOT just a basic “ash cloud.” It’s typically almost 2,000 degrees and moves at 450 mph. Even for an elf, she should NOT be able to survive. Not with this shows terrible writing…of course she will. The rest of your comment though is right on.
@@masamune2984 guess he just wanted to keep it simple. I have seen several documentations on Pompeii and Krakatao and know what the real outcome would look like... in the show, we would see Galadriel next, when centuries later some archologists find the molten remains of her platemail...
Adar - "Who are you??", *creepy music plays as Halbrand keeps his back turned and walks out*, *Adar looks away like "Ah, fuck." I was not a believer until the show literally confirmed it with that scene
I’m glad you talked about the music. What’s interesting about this show is that, while Howard Shore did craft the overall theme, he didn’t score this show. His trilogy soundtrack has clear giveaways to fans of the movies. If the theme for the Ring or the theme for Mordor had played it would be a dead giveaway.
Hey guys to answer you, it’s Mount Doom aka Orodruïn , we heard Bronwyn saying it in episode 4 when all the villagers arrived in the tower of Ostirith. And the plan is to basically create Mordor, if you notice the map of the southlands is precisely the later known location of Mordor, and it’s not lava but pyroclastic ashes so more « survivable » in a fantasy setting off course 😂 it will ravage the land and cover block out the sun like a nuclear winter due to volcanic clouds. Hope this helped 😊🤝🏾
I am very much enjoying this series, although I am aware some people do not. I do not wish to go into that now. However ... There are several "plot inconsistencies", mostly minor, but one is bugging me. When the elves speak in their native languages, it is usually Quenyan. This would be fine among the Noldor, but not so much among the Sindar or silvan elves. Why? Well, back in the first age, King Thingol Greycloak of Doriath forbade the speaking of Quenyan within his kingdom, a practice that spread among all the Sindar and many of the silvan elves. (The why of this would take long to explain, so I will just say that Thingol had a pretty good reason). So, when the Noldor speak Quenyan among themselves, I'm ok with it, but among all the other elves, they should be speaking Sindarin. - end of rant -
God she looks so badass in that armor! As to the "what medieval weapon would you have", I'd go with knives. I would most likely be on kitchen duty if I was in that time and if you can carve up a roast in some pub, you can carve up an orc in battle. It's been a wild episode and I can't wait for ep7!
I wonder when the Hobbits and discount-gandalf will end up dying from brainparasites for eating raw snails... cuz yes that is a thing and that is why you dun eat raw snails.
Note that the 'southlanders' use the same techniques for killing orcs as humans. The whole 'training' scene is ridiculous even ignoring the improbably choreography.
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It's 8 episodes in the 1st season ok guys, they're saying it's going to be around 50h for the whole story, not necessarily 10 episodes each season, but yeah this is the right spirit, also there's a really good interview with the show runners that got out this week maybe you should read it, you'll see they took many of the criticisms to heart and they're planning to go even bigger and harder the next season right away! Yes the volcano is Mount Doom, the only ring forged there is The One, I won't go into details because spoilers, but we will see how the others come about, patience patience hehe. We basically just saw the first steps for Mordor being set up. Also the way the volcano worked apparently was consulted with experts and is accurate, with enough water that would happen. According to Morfydd, by that point Galadriel was dissociating a little bit and feeling too defeated to react, imagine that whole victory right at the point of her fingers and then bam all of that happen, I'd be too upset as well, she has been traumatized for millenia, she needs a break and to heal. Btw. To keep things in perspective, another channel of Tolkien experts compared the season with the movies and in terms of the movies, if we were to compare the percentage of the story we covered so far (by episode 5) the hobbits would have just found Aragorn in Bree, so if we take that into consideration A LOT of shit already happened. Just a very good reminder
Wow! I did not see Mount Doom coming from a mile away. It shocked me. But If you remember from the Fellowship of the Ring, I think it was, Sauraman says to the leader orc, "Do you know where orcs come from? They were once elves who were tortured." But I wonder who Adar is? Is that another name for Sauron?
Enjoyed this episodes...music was great, action scenes were compelling...but have enjoyed all of them actually. I think that was Mount Doom being being created there at the end? This is the beginning of Mordor becoming the bastion of evil we see during Lord of the Rings. They have quite a lot to cover so I'm excited so see how it pans out in episodic fashion. I never really minded the slowness of the early episodes because we never really got to see Middle Earth in 'peace time' so to speak on screen. By the time of the events of Lord of the Rings things were already sort of post apocalyptic. Mt. Doom represents the end of peace. Again.
As a Generic fantasy, this show is average. As a Tolkien epic, this show is terrible. Most people expect better television. But if you don't, and find enjoyment from this, then good for you.
What's hilarious is that the extras were running TOWARDS the volcanic eruption and not away from it. They even fc*ked up the direction for that greenscreen. Oh my God this show is SO BAD.
As soon as the chase scene started I began screaming “He doesn’t have it” !!! Over and over , then my niece comes in and is like your so damn weird!..one day she will understand!
I don't know if having pIanned 5 season justifies a show being sIow and boring, beside making no sense in some scenes 🤔 a game of thrones had a Iot of seasons from the beginning too, but so much was going on in the first 2-3 seasons aIready, it aImost was too fast in the first season I found
The wave crashing on Numenor is a dream sequence everytime you see that. Because that is the eventual doom that befalls the kingdom which we can only assume is going to be shown towards the end of this series
Not even Galadriel would survive a pyroclastic explosion of 3000 degrees of burning ashes. Only the Valar and a Maia like Gandalf, Sauron etc could perhaps, maybe, possibly. It's just dumb writing and that's all there is. I'm glad the series has ended now that they're all dead hahah.
I read that Sauron could do magic, so maybe that could be a major clue to Galadriel...that Halbrand is Sauron. After all, we know for definite Galadriel, Elendil & Isildur are not going to die.
I don't know if I would call It 'magic', but 100% Sauron uses his Maia powers to make the volcano explode so his orcs could move faster, etc. And he does that himself alone without nothing like a key, by means of his power. Regarding the theory that Habland is Sauron, It could be posible. He could have taken his body, when he perhaps crashed into his ship while in a second made up meteorite. That could be the reason of Halbrand's shipwreck. The thing is Halbrand is a made up character, in the books Sauron's name during the second age is Annatar, the lord of gifts. And he takes the form of a beutiful being, most likely an elf, not a man.
@@fabiobuchignani3305 Yes, when he appeared as Annatar, Lord of Gifts. Sauron put on a fair "visage" as an Elf, he befriended Celebrimbor & The other Elf Smith's of Eregion & councelled them in arts & magic and gave them the knowledge of how to forge the rings...Celebrimbor was the only Elf who trusted him. Until later when Celebrimbor figured him out. Sauron was a shapeshifter, an Elf, a Man, a Werewolf, a Vampire & a Serpent were some of the forms he used in the Silmarillion. It's a shame they don't have the rights to use the works of the Silmarillion etc....I suppose that's why there's so many new names.
So basically that is most likely a wizard but not Gandalf or Saruman because they would look the same as they were in the films, wizards appearances don’t change It’s probably Radaghast the brown or one of the blue wizards There are five wizards in middle earth total This episode was really enjoyable because the story is finally picking up
That would be interesting if they did something with the Blue Wizards. Not sure if this is right, but I heard Tolkien never really fleshed out their story?
@@ct6852 Tolkien never had made up his mind; in his early thinking, the blue wizards were seduced or captured by Sauron, but in his later thinking they worked so mightily that the onslaught on the west was significantly reduced. Moonlit Skylight is correct that we have descriptions of them, but I would not call them "detailed". And I am as confused as you regarding the meteorite delivery system. Even by the standards of the Valar, that seems like an improbable method of delivering employees to the job site.
@@servantofmelian9966 Thanks for the info. I wonder if he was saving them for another story? Maybe he died before he got a chance to fully explain their contribution to Middle Earth? I know some think it's disrespectful to do fan-factiony stuff with these adaptations...but I'd be down for Rings of Power to use them in an interesting way if they could fit.
The sword-key thingy was made up for the show. Sauron made Orodruin explode using his own Maia powers, he didn't use any dumb physical thing like a sword-key that makes a dam break, etc. And, something that makes this change unforgivable for the writers is that a freaking made up butcher was the one that made Orodruin explode. Really? For God's sake!
I have waited for this, great timing! The show keeps getting better and knowing little things here and there from LotR feels good. Some weird shots or moments sometimes, but those can be found in all good shows, even more if you just compare Rings of Power, House of the Dragon and Star Wars Andor!👌 But I still really dislike that stupid horse riding scene from episode 3....but now we get stylish horse fighting stuff, nice. But they for sure quickly found the right place :^) could have given us a quick scene showing the ships landing or the troops coming off and a small part where they get a connection to move to that village. Of course that decision was made to shorten the episode and not have it be very long but it feels a bit too easy solved. *Creation of Mount Doom was damn epic. Guess the orcs have their sunproof country named Mordor now.
C'mon guys, how could you say you possibly liked this crap. You can't be so easy to please. Episode 6 was garbage, the "plot" was so riddled with absurdity. It took the three ships just one day to sail over 2,000 miles? How did the Numenoreans know where to ride? Arondir collapsed an entire tower held together with one fucking rope? You see what I mean! This show is ridiculous!
I think people are too harsh. The show is getting better with each episode and the special effects are really good, I don't know what other people are seeing. I think people are imagining it to be the same world as Peter Jackson's LOTR films but it's not. It's its own thing taken from inspiration from the books. Don't expect to get the iconic LOTR music or similar costumes or similar looking actors. That's not what this is.
This was their plan. The sword was the key to unlock the dam and flood the waters so that they could push the water flow into Mount Doom and make it erupt. Which we know from lord of the rings is how Mordor really evolves into the pit of darkness.
38:35 At the time, that mountain was called Orodruin, but yes, it is what becomes known as Mt Doom, where Sauron forges the One Ring. 41:00 That kind of volcanic explosion is called a pyroclastic flow...when it's that close to you, yeah, there's no way in hell you're surviving it (think Pompeii). But for the sake of storytelling, a few of the buildings in the village were built out of stone, so they (and the people inside) probably would survive it. While the show does have some spots that definitely don't follow the lore (especially Ep 5...there's some serious "WTF is this?!" stuff in there lore-wise with Elrond and Gil-Galad), it is using Tolkien's style of writing surprisingly well...all of Tolkien's books start off slow AF, tons of little seemingly-unconnected pieces at first, then small bits start coming together, and finally once the bigger pieces start connecting it becomes a "buckle your seatbelt Dorothy, cause Kansas is goin' bye-bye" experience. And after the ride is over with, when you look back at all the stuff that (at the time) you were wishing would just get on with it already, let's go, you realize that it's all just him laying out the threads of the story he was getting ready to tell you.
I think the WTF moment you’re talking about was well executed especially with Elrond insisting that it’s an apocryphal tales and not many people give credits to it and would be the perfect bait to a certain Lord of Gifts to prying upon the elves and making them do his bidding he’s a master deceiver after all and it wouldn’t a stretch if he’s already in Eregion
Keep in mind we're talking about a FIFTY HOURS long television series not a NINETEEN HOURS+ two trilogies motion picture series. After Episode 5 of LOTR:TROP we're just a few minutes short of the full LOTR:FOTR theatrical release running time.
Love your guys content!! I’ll answer some questions for you as a avid Tolkienist. Yes that was mount doom. We witnessed the creation of Mordor essentially. The rings of power were created by Celebrimbor and Annatar aka Sauron in disguise. Sauron then made just only the one ring inside mount doom! Hope I could help! Love you guys
@@BaddMedicine a bit more detailed would be it was the smiths under Celebrimbor with Annatar (Sauron ) creating the 9 and 7 rings with Celebrimbor crafting the 3 for the elves without Annatars knowledge, keeping them hidden from Sauron. Thats why the elves are not corrupted by those 3 rings... Sauron never had them in his hands...
@@PoopaChallupa not only is this "show" probably the most unfaithful adaptation in movie/series history, the showrunners and production team even are dillusional to the core. They really think, they made a quality product. With the news of the numbers that where leaked a few days ago, which state that more than 60% of audience did leave the shoiw before the end, there is NO WAY, this dumpster fire can be shown in a good light at all, but Amazon still tries to mislead the public... Guess i made my opinion clear 🤣
I saw confusion in the comments so I thought this may help: What they experienced wasn't pyroclastic flow (which is highly deadly, and there are a few recorded survivors in history). Instead, this was a phreatic eruption occurring when cold water meets magma. The phreatic explosion is less deadly, and people have survived it in real life. In recent history 2019, Whakaari / White Island eruption was a phreatic eruption. Of 47 people on the island that were less than a kilometer from a volcanic crater during the eruption, 25 survived. Many had severe burns, but they were much closer to the eruption. Hope this answers some questions. As Always enjoyed your reactions, and thanks for continuing this journey.
I am a fan of the books and the peter jackson films and have enjoyed this whole show but this episode was definitely the best. i recently saw an interview with the cast and they all said that they were most excited for viewers to see episodes 6 AND 7 so I am definitely looking forward to the next one as well!
just now realizing that souron saved ilsidor ( cant remember how to spell so idc). but if hallbrand would’ve let him die instead of throwing that spear to save him he probably would’ve won the war since nobody would’ve been able to pick up the sword and cut his fingies off
I'm amazed by how this show is divisive. And not divisive in a "love/hate" binary way, but there's people in aaaall ranges. I just don't understand people who say the show is completely trash. It isn't. It has some of the finest moments of visual television. The directing (specially in eps. 1, 2 and 6 - the Wayne Yip directing is good, but is below JA Bayona's and Charlotte's). The writing is okay. Nothing outstanding, because sometimes has BEAUTIFULLY written dialogue, but sometimes it's just okay. The point is: it is FAR from being this trash people are saying. As for myself I am loving it since the 1st episode, because I embraced the mystery aspect of the show, which is VERY different from the adventurous hero's journey with all players clear that the movies have. The books in my opinion are mainly adventure, but they have more mystery than the films. The thing I've been saying is: a mystery drama revolves around questions, more than straight up conflict. So I really understand who was thrown off by the genre switch, cause when it comes to Tolkien adaptations, people are used to know what is the real quest and enemy and intentions of the characters since the beginning. But since we are seeing the second age, when the enemy is still hidden, I think it's just fitting we have a "whodunnit", or, in better terms, a "whereissauron" instead of a clear path to follow.
Yeah agreed. I've been enjoying it too. The Sauron shape-shifting prospect and mystery is a great touch with a lot of possibilities. Also...even with my absolute favorite tv shows and movie I'd be lying if I said there weren't moments that were a bit slow or didn't hold my interest throughout. There were whole episodes of Breaking Bad that I fast-forwarded through...but I still love it. And the nature of episodic TV definitely separates it from movies. Just the nature of the beast.
I've noticed a pattern. Those that invent reasons why people don't like the show always make the same claims. Instead of hearing why most people despise the show, you make up some generic excuse about how they just don't know what it is. You really think people are thrown off by genre or structure? It could be the best show, but if you go into expecting a drama, you'll be unable to enjoy it? I don't care if you like it, just don't pretend you know why people don't, or convince them the show is below average with terrible writing. The dialogue is objectively awful. "Why does a stone sink, but a ship does not? The ship has a secret. It looks up while the stone looks down." Celebrimbor, the greatest living smith, didn't know what an alloy was?! Galadriel tells them to make a 3rd ring instead of telling them who halbrand was?! I really could keep going because this show is littered with poor writing and stupid characters.
@@PoopaChallupa "the dialogue is objectively awful" is a very bold statement for someone who wrote a comment to "respectfully attack" another opinion using an whole text full of cliches and no arguments that explain anything at all to say that the other person is wrong.
Sauron was one of the corrupted Mayars, who was part of the Vallar which created the dwarves , he was fan of crafting things , hence the rings... which he "gave as presents" to elves first...
Its funny that lots of watchers think that was a lava or pyroclastic flow. At that point it was just ashes. There. We don't need magic or plot to survive that wave of ash.
The most obvious explanation is usually the more probable one, I don't understand why people want to complicate things unless it's for pettiness, stupidity or just haterade
Some people who are complaining about her standing there haven't reached a low low point in their lives. I have. There's a point where you almost don't care anymore, almost just "let it happen" and close your eyes. I think this was her point, and I'm excited to see how she climbs up from it.
Halbrand is Sauron. Him & Galadriel have feelings for each other now. Their possible "union" is Sauron's near redemption arc: Galadriel is Sauron's Silmaril. "Fëanor’s work nearly turned the heart of the Great Foe himself." -Celebrimbor (S1.E2)
No offense but that is straight bs. While this show has taken liberties and condensed the timeline massively, that would be so far of the mark, if they did it they should immediately change the name of the show. Cuz it would have nothing to do with LotR anymore.
Sauron’s possible repentance at the end of the first age is debateable at best. Tolkien never gave us a clear answer on that one. Yes Sauron was given the chance to repent and be forgiven after Morgoth’s defeat, but he refused to go to Valinor to face judgement. Above all else, remember that Sauron is “The Deceiver”. It is fully within his character to just lie outright about anything he needs to. That being said, I’m doubtful that Halbrand is Sauron. The only valid clue the show has given is his talent as a smith. But I think this is a misdirrect. I’m not convinved we have seen Sauron at all in the show yet.
@@cgrimes34 Sauron's identity has been leaked/spoiled already. Everything you said is correct. I would also like to point out Galadriel should be married already, but this show is all kinds of dumb. Oh well.
@@cgrimes34 It's fine. I was just saying that it is known. I for one love to "read ahead" for certain shows and movies, so I know if they are trash so I don't waste my money. ;)
I love this show! I think it just gets better and better! I don't know much about the wider lore, i'm mainly a massive fan of the LOTR movies and the lore surrounding that story particularly. I know they've condensed the timeline a bit and I hear bits and pieces about how things go down in the appendices but i think it's really cool. I'm really intrigued by Halbrand and The Stranger. As a fan of LOTR it's been so exciting to see Mount Doom coming about, seeing Elendil is lovely. Him talking to the horse in Elvish was a lovely link to Aragorn, as was Galadriel saying "noro lim" to her horse, as Arwen did when being chased by the black riders. Loving the action. Episode 6 went hard on the violence. That orc spurting his blood all over Arondir was hilariously gross 🤣. Also Galadriel can't really out run it, seems fair to her character to just take it. Plus, this has been like a huge chunk of her very long life and no one has believed her recently about evil and Sauron still being out there and it's all quite literally exploding in front of her it's probably quite a big deal.
@@ct6852 Gandalf would be very much alive, as Gandalf(or Olórin) is born before Time, offspring of the thought of Eru, before the forming of Arda. Wether he would be in middle-Earth as of the 2nd Age? Debatable, even amongst Tolkien scholars; most tend to lean towards the version that states Gandalf only arrives in middle-Earth in his Istari form in the 3rd Age, circa the year 1000.
My medieval weapon of choice would be a 'Morning Star' (like a club with ball of spikes at one end) & Quinn & Oak's stunned reactions at the end of the episode haha 😄
I am enjoying the show. I have watched the movies and that is all I know. I like the pace, there's a lot to learn. I think the stranger is a wizard, maybe those people looking for him have stripped his memory? Enjoy your reactions.
It’s really bad writing and many things don’t make sense. It’s still entertaining enough to watch but there is not one character I would shed a tear over if they died. I find Galadriel to be unlikable and broody. Elendil himself stood 7’ 11” and it makes no sense that he would have trouble fighting with one single orc and in need of rescuing. I don’t want to pick it apart but the writing is just not intelligent. I enjoy y’all’s reactions tho guys.
People liking any episode blows my mind. Easy to please, and agreeable people that don't care about Tolkien seem to like this show. Though, as a generic fantasy show, it still is below average.
For me personally, its getting more and more realistic that Halbrand is Sauron! (Even though i wasnt a Fan of the Theory at first😅) The volcano is Mount Doom (Orodruin) cause a few hundred years later, all the Southlands and where all the Scenes are playing will be Mordor I think, like most of the other guys in the comments, that the meteor-man is one of the wizards. Dont think its Gandalf or Saruman, but maybe Radagast or one of the Blue Wizards. In any way, it HAS to be one of the Maias (like the Wizards,Sauron,Balrogs..) cause otherwise he wouldn’t have survived the meteor crash. Always having such a good time watching you guys react to stuff and talk about it, cant wait for more😊 Much Love from Austria 🇦🇹🙌🏻
I think we just witnessed the birth of Mount Doom and Mordor in the same moment!!! They definitely heard your notes about the pacing and cranked it up to an 11 😂
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Episodes 5 & 6... with that ending in ep 6, really curious to everyone's reaction! What's your thoughts so far?
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You 100% just saw the beginning of Mt Doom.
I think Adar does believe he killed Sauron, and I’m curious on why he didn’t recognize Halbrand (an elf wouldn’t just forget someone), and asked him who he was at the end 👀
I also have no idea how they will survive the eruption. Makes me wonder if the stranger will have anything to do with it?
Glad you guys enjoyed that!
I am sorry that I am advertising for another TH-cam channel but i feel like it’s necessary. There is a new channel for this series called rings and realms and they are analyzing the series by people who are really capable and know basically everything about Tolkien’s world. The people who just trash this series just want to hate. If you see how much hidden lore is in this series without even having a lot of the rights it’s amazing. The showmakers have really thought this series threw but people just don’t see the beauty of it. Despite some problems, obviously everyone has their own taste, but this blinded hate is just not necessary.
In the end it’s about If you want to hate an adaption because it’s an adaption or do you want to understand why they did what they did. And what they did is often really clever without people giving credit to them, probably because they just don’t want to understand it
@@cubonemaker5080 Sauron was a Maiar that changed shapes a lot. Their physical bodies can die but then won't, and will essentially come back in another form. The only reason Sauron was truly defeated in lotr is because he put so much of his essence into the ring that destroying it destroyed his "essence".
@@petermisberg732 I think unfortunately the lotr jackson movies aren't true to the spirit of tolkiens work. Tolkien will stop mid battle and describe the grass and foliage and its beauty. It's meant to be slow, very slow, and a lot of world building. It doesn't translate super well to tv so they sped a lot of things up during the jacksons movies. Now rings of power is speeding up literal centuries, so it's even harder to do.
@@Saphthings In the end its an adaptation and you cant just make a movie or a series from a book without changing things thats just not possible. Just compare the length of the audiobook with the movie you have to cut so much and still include a lot of pictures about the surroundings. Therefore a series is a great way to portrait tolkiens world they have so much more time. I would just hope that people are more appreciative that they get a new look at the world tolkien created because the showrunners definitly thought a lot about how they do it.
"A volcano" my guy that's Mt Doom lol 😆
That released all the power that mount doom has
That’s why it’s cloudy in Mordor
@@anakinjaywalker584 you don't have to tell me, tell them 😅
So that was Mount Doom. You are right. The orcs wanted a land without sunlight, and Mount Doom will continually spew out ash and smoke to block out the sunlight. So the orcs can have their home in Mordor. I think most of what is coming out of that eruption is ash and smoke. Cause several of those characters have to survive. But yes, I loved the stunts, the battle sequences, and so much in this episode 😁
I actually feel the same! Big part is just world building... lucky me I was prepared for that from episode one so I have enjoyed every second of it! 🙌
btw that was the birth of mount doom guys!!
Wow what a episode love it. I've heard so many people given c*** to this show. I love the show the visuals are amazing the characters are great and the story is great I mean yeah it was a little slow at 1st but they have to build the characters the story
Well one reason she just stood there is that you really can't outrun a volcanic eruption at that range. She might have just be resigned to her fate.
Or maybe she was just in shock to see what had happened.
LMAO ALL the extras were running towards the eruption, but GALADRIEL froze?
Yep she alive she in the trailer for the next episode all cover in soot !
Yeah, why try to get people to safety, right? 🙄 Terrible main character.
@@cubablue602 different people, different reactions. Some froze, some panic, and some able to calm during the chaos. The villagers were panicking, Galad was calm not because she's an idiot, but she knew it would be pointless tried to hide or run. She felt defeated.
YES! It's Mount Doom.
We just witnessed the first eruption of Mount Doom. This is the first step in transforming the Southlands into Mordor. Drowning the sun at making the lands hospitabel for Orcs to live in.
Also, Galadriel and co, did not get hid by lava, but darkness.
Something I've noticed, there were no horses in Middle Earth until Numenor arrives. This is canonical, but would have happened long before this. It explains Galadriel's love for the horse ride, since she didn't have a horse for centuries. Elves had horses in Valinor, but didn't take them, as I understand. It doesn't explain how Halbrand is so skilled a rider, though.
There were horses in Middle-earth. Hurin's horse was named Aroch ('Roch' being the Sindarin word for 'horse' and the source of the name 'Rohan'). Heck, the first Vala to discover that the Elves had awakened was Orome the hunter, riding a horse.
I cannot tell if it is intentional that there are no horses shown in Middle-earth in this show. It does make the transit between Lindon and Eregion sort of ridiculous.
@@majkus Yeah, I was going through and reading more after I posted. There are debates on who actually used horses after the return to Valinor, but they're definitely doing something hinky with horses in RoP. I'd already noticed that the humans had cattle, but no other beasts of burden when they left their villages. Generally, you use man power when the land isn't suited to burden beasts. Not a problem in the Southlands. Linden elves should have had some beasts, somehow. Unless, of course, they teleport.
@@araneljones we don't see them on long travels at any point though, only arriving or parting to -camps- and that wounn't require horses
@@Jehphg We've seen villagers traveling, and refugees. There should be pack ponies there, given that they have wagons. I've only seen milk cows, not burden beasts, either. The harfoots had carts appropriate for people pulling, mostly, but I think they forgot about that with humans.
wasn't adar riding his own horse?
To explain the volcano. The evil forces had a defense system that would flood the enemies. Adar had the orcs make tunnels to channel the water instead to the volcano, causing a thermal explosion that set off the volcano. That's actually how a lot of eruptions happen. And yes, the "Southlands" are essentially "Mordor". And Halbrand was just made the king of "Mordor". That was the birth of Mt. Doom.
no, thats not how volcanos erupt... they do it the tension from the rising magma grows too big or if the magma flows underground hit the groundwater itself and the expanding steam has no way to escape... here it obvious had this way to release all the steam... through that gigantic hole in the cavern, that is quiet huge... its the same principle as a water kettle..
@Belegur Hi, this is Saphthings, the person with a degree in physics and geology...
You also literally did this:
Me: "A lot of Volcanoes erupt when magma comes into contact with water"
You: "No, that's not how they erupt, they usually erupt when the magma comes into contact with groundwater"... ...
You even literally used a "_WATER_ kettle" as an example...
Here's one of the excerpts from one of the studies I was part with called. "Explosive volcanoes fueled by water":
"University of Oregon geologists have tapped water in surface rocks to show how magma forms deep underground and produces explosive volcanoes in the Cascade Range.
"Water is a key player," says Paul J. Wallace, a professor in the UO's Department of Geological Sciences and coauthor of a paper in the May issue of Nature Geoscience. "It's important not just for understanding how you make magma and volcanoes, but also because the big volcanoes that we have in the Cascades -- like Mount Lassen and Mount St. Helens -- tend to erupt explosively, in part because they have lots of water.
The discovery helps solve a puzzle about plate tectonics and Earth's deep water cycle beneath the Pacific Ring of Fire, which scientists began studying in the 1960s to understand the region's propensity for big earthquakes and explosive volcanoes. The ring stretches from New Zealand, along the eastern edge of Asia, north across the Aleutian Islands of Alaska and south along the coast of North and South America. It contains more than 75 percent of the planet's volcanoes.
To understand how water affects subduction of the oceanic plate, in which layers of different rock types sink into the mantle, the UO team studied hydrogen isotopes in water contained in tiny blobs of glass trapped in olivine crystals in basalt.
A five-member team, led by UO doctoral student Kristina J. Walowski, methodically examined water and other elements contained in olivine-rich basalt samples that were gathered from cinder cone volcanoes that surround Lassen Peak in Northern California, at the southern edge of the Cascade chain.
That combination opened a window on how rising temperatures during subduction drive water out of different parts of the subducted oceanic crust, Walowski said. Water migrates upwards and causes the top of the subducted oceanic crust to melt, producing magma beneath the Cascade volcanoes.
The key part of the study, Wallace said, involved hydrogen isotopes. "Most of the hydrogen in water contains a single proton," he said. "But there's also a heavy isotope, deuterium, which has a neutron in addition to the proton. It is important to measure the ratio of the two isotopes. We use this ratio as a thermometer, or probe, to study what's happening deep inside the earth."
"Melting of the subducting oceanic crust and the mantle rock above it would not be possible without the addition of water," Walowski said. "Once the melts reach the surface, the water can directly affect the explosiveness of magma. However, evidence for this information is lost to the atmosphere during violent eruptions."
But thanks for trying to mansplain what I actually do by rephrasing what I actually said.
So, like I said, contact between water and magma is how a lot of volcanoes erupt... Unless you thought I meant that volcanoes usually erupt from ancient water dams being opened by a hellblade and being channeled into orc dug tunnels... Where I would then just plain question your sanity, not your reading comprehension.
And yes, even rain can induce an eruption.
@@Saphthings The study you quote basically says "water must come from the ocean or from the rocks".
Yep usually. Magma is “wetter” than people realize.
@@Saphthings I doesnt change that this scene is dumm
Finally! Been waitng to see your reactions to this one!
Awesome reaction as always guys, it finally looks like we're picking up pace on this show and that's awesome! Just a minor thing, only THE One Ring was forged in Mount Doom, and only the One is destroyed in Mount Doom, as we see at the end of the Return of the King. The others, well, I would suspect we'll see where they're crafted somewhere in this series given the name of the show, so I won't spoil it for you 😅
What we witnessed at the end is a fairly realistic volcanic eruption with some fantasy elements mixed in. Water flowing into magma is one of the main mechanics for volcanic eruptions. In this type of eruption the super heated magma instantly flash boils the water causing a super powerful explosion the force of which easily compromises the stone in the mountain causing the main eruption. The blast that emerges from the mountain is not a pyroclastic flow like the one that destroyed Pompeii it is instead a cloud of steam mixed with a variety of dirt particles racing across the lands at high speeds. Due to the sheer distance the mountain is from the town by the time the steam reaches them it has lost most of its energy so while it might be harmful it shouldn't be instantly lethal to most people.
Another note is that Sauron is a higher type of being like Gandalf. The Balrog in Fellowship did kill Gandalf but that was not the end of him, he was able to return to life. In much the same way its possible that Adar really did destroy Saurons physical form but that does not mean he was permanently killed so that statement might not have been a lie.
haha you are stretching beyond all reason. It is a pyroclastic flow, and you can see lava destroying the hut Adar was in.
Everyone should be dead, esp. the extras running straight into it lol
And Mordor is created. So, does anything think Halbrand will be involved in forging the ring? His role seems critical, and I have my suspicions about him.
I think he is the Witch King or one of the other Nazgul. I don't think he's Sauron.
@@PacificEgg what people need to see he is Sauron? I mean we all see it from his first scene, and every ep has some hints that he is Sauron.
This episode was the best. But it is certainly not on par with the two Trilogies. The battle in this episode, though entertaining can be described as a skirmish at best in which our heroes are defending just a tavern of sorts. Compare this to Helm's Deep where there were 10000 uruk hai present and the heroes were defending an entire fortress and the fate of an entire kingdom depended on it. We expected a lot more from this show especially with such a high budget. This show overall has the look and feel of an above average adaptation of a fantasy video game like Elder Scrolls.
i really enjoyed Poppy's song. I expected it to be universaly loved, but I've seen much more hate than expected.
I’m seriously liking this show. I haven’t read the books so I have a question about the Hartfoots I think they’re called. How big/small are they? Are they smaller than hobbits, dwarves? The meteor man is he human size or giant size?
Does anyone know?
Harfoots are one of the 3 races of Hobbits. They are smaller than Dwarves.
And I believe the Stranger is one of the 2 Blue Wizards. So for size comparison, I guess picture Gandalf and Bilbo
@@PacificEgg Thank you. Now I have a much much better idea.
I'm sure it's been said in the comments already, but the device Waldreg opened caused the mountain formerly known as Orodruin to explode, thus becoming Mount Doom. The device was created by Sauron to create a land of perpetual darkness caused by the active volcano. It will provide a permanent settlement for Orcs where he will build strongholds and armaments. The key to unlocking the device, the sword, was an indestructible object for good reason. I think Galadriel stood there rather dumbfounded in horror as a sort of "What have I done?" moment. She and other Elves have survived worse than ash clouds, so she'll be fine.
good that Sauron ( i rather think it was Morgoth, as the whole Mordor plot is said to be Morgoths fallback plan) crafted this key... not that it was needed in any way, as one just had to destroy the dam and had the exact same effect... well of cause onehad to built all the tunnels and channels whoever had crafted the "key" had couriosly enough not thought about... this whole plan is from the start so convoluted and contrieved, it is an insult to the intelligence of teh audience...
P.S. that the water has to flow uphill at the end of its travel to the rise of Orodruin (Mount Doom) is just an add-on to this travesty
A pyroclastic flow is NOT just a basic “ash cloud.” It’s typically almost 2,000 degrees and moves at 450 mph. Even for an elf, she should NOT be able to survive. Not with this shows terrible writing…of course she will. The rest of your comment though is right on.
@@masamune2984 guess he just wanted to keep it simple. I have seen several documentations on Pompeii and Krakatao and know what the real outcome would look like... in the show, we would see Galadriel next, when centuries later some archologists find the molten remains of her platemail...
@@masamune2984 The sun in Middle Earth is literally a fruit in a jar, let's not be too scientific about this 🤣
@@kangke57 The Heat from Saurons body killed Gil Galad the fact is she should be dead even if we go off what is just shown in the episode.
Adar - "Who are you??", *creepy music plays as Halbrand keeps his back turned and walks out*, *Adar looks away like "Ah, fuck." I was not a believer until the show literally confirmed it with that scene
I’m glad you talked about the music. What’s interesting about this show is that, while Howard Shore did craft the overall theme, he didn’t score this show. His trilogy soundtrack has clear giveaways to fans of the movies. If the theme for the Ring or the theme for Mordor had played it would be a dead giveaway.
Yes that's Mount Doom
No that's not where the Rings of Power are forged
Mount Doom is where the One aring is forged
Hey guys to answer you, it’s Mount Doom aka Orodruïn , we heard Bronwyn saying it in episode 4 when all the villagers arrived in the tower of Ostirith.
And the plan is to basically create Mordor, if you notice the map of the southlands is precisely the later known location of Mordor, and it’s not lava but pyroclastic ashes so more « survivable » in a fantasy setting off course 😂 it will ravage the land and cover block out the sun like a nuclear winter due to volcanic clouds.
Hope this helped 😊🤝🏾
I am very much enjoying this series, although I am aware some people do not. I do not wish to go into that now. However ...
There are several "plot inconsistencies", mostly minor, but one is bugging me. When the elves speak in their native languages, it is usually Quenyan. This would be fine among the Noldor, but not so much among the Sindar or silvan elves. Why? Well, back in the first age, King Thingol Greycloak of Doriath forbade the speaking of Quenyan within his kingdom, a practice that spread among all the Sindar and many of the silvan elves. (The why of this would take long to explain, so I will just say that Thingol had a pretty good reason). So, when the Noldor speak Quenyan among themselves, I'm ok with it, but among all the other elves, they should be speaking Sindarin.
- end of rant -
God she looks so badass in that armor! As to the "what medieval weapon would you have", I'd go with knives. I would most likely be on kitchen duty if I was in that time and if you can carve up a roast in some pub, you can carve up an orc in battle. It's been a wild episode and I can't wait for ep7!
She just stood there because the SHE is always right.
So Galadriel is dead. People don't survive that wave of smoke and ash. She's an elf, not superman. What are the writers thinking?
I wonder when the Hobbits and discount-gandalf will end up dying from brainparasites for eating raw snails...
cuz yes that is a thing and that is why you dun eat raw snails.
"Stab, twist, gut" is the worst way to kill an orc minus stabbing their knee. Gut wounds take a while before death happens.
Note that the 'southlanders' use the same techniques for killing orcs as humans. The whole 'training' scene is ridiculous even ignoring the improbably choreography.
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He was trying to provide the orks a Homeland without the Sun. He mentioned it at the start of the episode
It's 8 episodes in the 1st season ok guys, they're saying it's going to be around 50h for the whole story, not necessarily 10 episodes each season, but yeah this is the right spirit, also there's a really good interview with the show runners that got out this week maybe you should read it, you'll see they took many of the criticisms to heart and they're planning to go even bigger and harder the next season right away!
Yes the volcano is Mount Doom, the only ring forged there is The One, I won't go into details because spoilers, but we will see how the others come about, patience patience hehe. We basically just saw the first steps for Mordor being set up. Also the way the volcano worked apparently was consulted with experts and is accurate, with enough water that would happen. According to Morfydd, by that point Galadriel was dissociating a little bit and feeling too defeated to react, imagine that whole victory right at the point of her fingers and then bam all of that happen, I'd be too upset as well, she has been traumatized for millenia, she needs a break and to heal.
Btw. To keep things in perspective, another channel of Tolkien experts compared the season with the movies and in terms of the movies, if we were to compare the percentage of the story we covered so far (by episode 5) the hobbits would have just found Aragorn in Bree, so if we take that into consideration A LOT of shit already happened. Just a very good reminder
episode 6 was definitely my favorite so far
Fuking loving it! So Awesome! Cant wait to see the next episodes! Good Video!
Wow! I did not see Mount Doom coming from a mile away. It shocked me. But If you remember from the Fellowship of the Ring, I think it was, Sauraman says to the leader orc, "Do you know where orcs come from? They were once elves who were tortured." But I wonder who Adar is? Is that another name for Sauron?
this channel always keeping it real i love it
Enjoyed this episodes...music was great, action scenes were compelling...but have enjoyed all of them actually. I think that was Mount Doom being being created there at the end? This is the beginning of Mordor becoming the bastion of evil we see during Lord of the Rings. They have quite a lot to cover so I'm excited so see how it pans out in episodic fashion. I never really minded the slowness of the early episodes because we never really got to see Middle Earth in 'peace time' so to speak on screen. By the time of the events of Lord of the Rings things were already sort of post apocalyptic. Mt. Doom represents the end of peace. Again.
As a Generic fantasy, this show is average.
As a Tolkien epic, this show is terrible.
Most people expect better television. But if you don't, and find enjoyment from this, then good for you.
What's hilarious is that the extras were running TOWARDS the volcanic eruption and not away from it. They even fc*ked up the direction for that greenscreen. Oh my God this show is SO BAD.
As soon as the chase scene started I began screaming “He doesn’t have it” !!! Over and over , then my niece comes in and is like your so damn weird!..one day she will understand!
the second adar spoke to this old dude it was obvious he was giving him the sword. that was the only bad thing about this episode for me.
Yikes. Poor niece. Try medication, it helps.
I don't know if having pIanned 5 season justifies a show being sIow and boring, beside making no sense in some scenes 🤔
a game of thrones had a Iot of seasons from the beginning too, but so much was going on in the first 2-3 seasons aIready, it aImost was too fast in the first season I found
World building doesn't matter if story is trash which this series is a trash can
The wave crashing on Numenor is a dream sequence everytime you see that. Because that is the eventual doom that befalls the kingdom which we can only assume is going to be shown towards the end of this series
Not even Galadriel would survive a pyroclastic explosion of 3000 degrees of burning ashes. Only the Valar and a Maia like Gandalf, Sauron etc could perhaps, maybe, possibly. It's just dumb writing and that's all there is. I'm glad the series has ended now that they're all dead hahah.
I read that Sauron could do magic, so maybe that could be a major clue to Galadriel...that Halbrand is Sauron. After all, we know for definite Galadriel, Elendil & Isildur are not going to die.
I don't know if I would call It 'magic', but 100% Sauron uses his Maia powers to make the volcano explode so his orcs could move faster, etc. And he does that himself alone without nothing like a key, by means of his power.
Regarding the theory that Habland is Sauron, It could be posible. He could have taken his body, when he perhaps crashed into his ship while in a second made up meteorite. That could be the reason of Halbrand's shipwreck.
The thing is Halbrand is a made up character, in the books Sauron's name during the second age is Annatar, the lord of gifts. And he takes the form of a beutiful being, most likely an elf, not a man.
@@fabiobuchignani3305 Yes, when he appeared as Annatar, Lord of Gifts. Sauron put on a fair "visage" as an Elf, he befriended Celebrimbor & The other Elf Smith's of Eregion & councelled them in arts & magic and gave them the knowledge of how to forge the rings...Celebrimbor was the only Elf who trusted him. Until later when Celebrimbor figured him out.
Sauron was a shapeshifter, an Elf, a Man, a Werewolf, a Vampire & a Serpent were some of the forms he used in the Silmarillion.
It's a shame they don't have the rights to use the works of the Silmarillion etc....I suppose that's why there's so many new names.
The southlands are in the lower part of what becomes Mordor, and the Volcano is indeed Mount Doom.
The Little John comparison is great! Was thinking something along those lines and couldn't place it, I think that was it. Love the shout out!
It'll be the end of the world. Except it won't so who cares 😂
So basically that is most likely a wizard but not Gandalf or Saruman because they would look the same as they were in the films, wizards appearances don’t change
It’s probably Radaghast the brown or one of the blue wizards
There are five wizards in middle earth total
This episode was really enjoyable because the story is finally picking up
That would be interesting if they did something with the Blue Wizards. Not sure if this is right, but I heard Tolkien never really fleshed out their story?
@@ct6852 ...he wrote down very detailed descriptions actually.
@@moonlitskylight5740 Did they crash to earth in comets? Do you think that's who the stranger is that's travelling with the Harfoots?
@@ct6852 Tolkien never had made up his mind; in his early thinking, the blue wizards were seduced or captured by Sauron, but in his later thinking they worked so mightily that the onslaught on the west was significantly reduced. Moonlit Skylight is correct that we have descriptions of them, but I would not call them "detailed".
And I am as confused as you regarding the meteorite delivery system. Even by the standards of the Valar, that seems like an improbable method of delivering employees to the job site.
@@servantofmelian9966 Thanks for the info. I wonder if he was saving them for another story? Maybe he died before he got a chance to fully explain their contribution to Middle Earth? I know some think it's disrespectful to do fan-factiony stuff with these adaptations...but I'd be down for Rings of Power to use them in an interesting way if they could fit.
The sword-key thingy was made up for the show. Sauron made Orodruin explode using his own Maia powers, he didn't use any dumb physical thing like a sword-key that makes a dam break, etc. And, something that makes this change unforgivable for the writers is that a freaking made up butcher was the one that made Orodruin explode. Really? For God's sake!
You saw the formation of mount doom thats what the key was for.
Y’all should read the books, you’d appreciate what the show is doing after you know the story
I have waited for this, great timing! The show keeps getting better and knowing little things here and there from LotR feels good. Some weird shots or moments sometimes, but those can be found in all good shows, even more if you just compare Rings of Power, House of the Dragon and Star Wars Andor!👌
But I still really dislike that stupid horse riding scene from episode 3....but now we get stylish horse fighting stuff, nice. But they for sure quickly found the right place :^) could have given us a quick scene showing the ships landing or the troops coming off and a small part where they get a connection to move to that village. Of course that decision was made to shorten the episode and not have it be very long but it feels a bit too easy solved.
*Creation of Mount Doom was damn epic. Guess the orcs have their sunproof country named Mordor now.
The birth of Mount Doom right there
I was hoping you guys would like ep6! 🙌🏼
Best one yet!
And that’s how Mordor came to be
C'mon guys, how could you say you possibly liked this crap. You can't be so easy to please. Episode 6 was garbage, the "plot" was so riddled with absurdity. It took the three ships just one day to sail over 2,000 miles? How did the Numenoreans know where to ride? Arondir collapsed an entire tower held together with one fucking rope? You see what I mean! This show is ridiculous!
That was indeed the birth of Mordor and the creation of Mt. Doom! Excited to learn more about Adar!
I think people are too harsh. The show is getting better with each episode and the special effects are really good, I don't know what other people are seeing. I think people are imagining it to be the same world as Peter Jackson's LOTR films but it's not. It's its own thing taken from inspiration from the books. Don't expect to get the iconic LOTR music or similar costumes or similar looking actors. That's not what this is.
@7:04… I looked it up on IMBD as well, thinking that Pharazon was the same actor as Little John. It’s not, but the resemblance is uncanny.
This was their plan. The sword was the key to unlock the dam and flood the waters so that they could push the water flow into Mount Doom and make it erupt. Which we know from lord of the rings is how Mordor really evolves into the pit of darkness.
It probably wasn't lava, but 'only' the pyroclastic cloud. Still probably not survivable but hey, she's an elf.
38:35 At the time, that mountain was called Orodruin, but yes, it is what becomes known as Mt Doom, where Sauron forges the One Ring.
41:00 That kind of volcanic explosion is called a pyroclastic flow...when it's that close to you, yeah, there's no way in hell you're surviving it (think Pompeii). But for the sake of storytelling, a few of the buildings in the village were built out of stone, so they (and the people inside) probably would survive it.
While the show does have some spots that definitely don't follow the lore (especially Ep 5...there's some serious "WTF is this?!" stuff in there lore-wise with Elrond and Gil-Galad), it is using Tolkien's style of writing surprisingly well...all of Tolkien's books start off slow AF, tons of little seemingly-unconnected pieces at first, then small bits start coming together, and finally once the bigger pieces start connecting it becomes a "buckle your seatbelt Dorothy, cause Kansas is goin' bye-bye" experience. And after the ride is over with, when you look back at all the stuff that (at the time) you were wishing would just get on with it already, let's go, you realize that it's all just him laying out the threads of the story he was getting ready to tell you.
I think the WTF moment you’re talking about was well executed especially with Elrond insisting that it’s an apocryphal tales and not many people give credits to it and would be the perfect bait to a certain Lord of Gifts to prying upon the elves and making them do his bidding he’s a master deceiver after all and it wouldn’t a stretch if he’s already in Eregion
@@loicromefort2730 this ^^^^^ we have every reason to believe that tale is just a myth and the elves are being fooled by a certain Lord of gifts
Keep in mind we're talking about a FIFTY HOURS long television series not a NINETEEN HOURS+ two trilogies motion picture series. After Episode 5 of LOTR:TROP we're just a few minutes short of the full LOTR:FOTR theatrical release running time.
Love your guys content!! I’ll answer some questions for you as a avid Tolkienist. Yes that was mount doom. We witnessed the creation of Mordor essentially. The rings of power were created by Celebrimbor and Annatar aka Sauron in disguise. Sauron then made just only the one ring inside mount doom! Hope I could help! Love you guys
We appreciate the tidbits 🤘 thank you.
@@BaddMedicine a bit more detailed would be it was the smiths under Celebrimbor with Annatar (Sauron ) creating the 9 and 7 rings with Celebrimbor crafting the 3 for the elves without Annatars knowledge, keeping them hidden from Sauron. Thats why the elves are not corrupted by those 3 rings... Sauron never had them in his hands...
@@belegur8108 What are your thoughts now that you've seen ep.8? This show is a disaster.
@@PoopaChallupa not only is this "show" probably the most unfaithful adaptation in movie/series history, the showrunners and production team even are dillusional to the core. They really think, they made a quality product. With the news of the numbers that where leaked a few days ago, which state that more than 60% of audience did leave the shoiw before the end, there is NO WAY, this dumpster fire can be shown in a good light at all, but Amazon still tries to mislead the public...
Guess i made my opinion clear 🤣
I saw confusion in the comments so I thought this may help: What they experienced wasn't pyroclastic flow (which is highly deadly, and there are a few recorded survivors in history). Instead, this was a phreatic eruption occurring when cold water meets magma. The phreatic explosion is less deadly, and people have survived it in real life. In recent history 2019, Whakaari / White Island eruption was a phreatic eruption. Of 47 people on the island that were less than a kilometer from a volcanic crater during the eruption, 25 survived. Many had severe burns, but they were much closer to the eruption. Hope this answers some questions. As Always enjoyed your reactions, and thanks for continuing this journey.
I am a fan of the books and the peter jackson films and have enjoyed this whole show but this episode was definitely the best. i recently saw an interview with the cast and they all said that they were most excited for viewers to see episodes 6 AND 7 so I am definitely looking forward to the next one as well!
just now realizing that souron saved ilsidor ( cant remember how to spell so idc). but if hallbrand would’ve let him die instead of throwing that spear to save him he probably would’ve won the war since nobody would’ve been able to pick up the sword and cut his fingies off
The burth of mount doom !!
"Is that gonna take out Numenor?"
No. Numenor was, quite literally, swallowed by the sea as punishment by the Valar themselves
No way you outrun a vulcanic eruption, she just accepted it
It’s obvious people just want to hate
Its also not lava but the smog/ash which has fire that makes wood catches fire etc
Yeah you can't really outrun a huge volcanic eruption. Might was well smoke'em if you got'em and enjoy the view.
Please react to EEGA movie in original (Telugu) Language. One of the RRR director finest work.
Stephen Colbert got to be in The Hobbit because he's pals with Peter Jackson and loves/knows Lord of the Rings so much.
I'm amazed by how this show is divisive. And not divisive in a "love/hate" binary way, but there's people in aaaall ranges. I just don't understand people who say the show is completely trash. It isn't. It has some of the finest moments of visual television. The directing (specially in eps. 1, 2 and 6 - the Wayne Yip directing is good, but is below JA Bayona's and Charlotte's). The writing is okay. Nothing outstanding, because sometimes has BEAUTIFULLY written dialogue, but sometimes it's just okay. The point is: it is FAR from being this trash people are saying.
As for myself I am loving it since the 1st episode, because I embraced the mystery aspect of the show, which is VERY different from the adventurous hero's journey with all players clear that the movies have. The books in my opinion are mainly adventure, but they have more mystery than the films. The thing I've been saying is: a mystery drama revolves around questions, more than straight up conflict. So I really understand who was thrown off by the genre switch, cause when it comes to Tolkien adaptations, people are used to know what is the real quest and enemy and intentions of the characters since the beginning.
But since we are seeing the second age, when the enemy is still hidden, I think it's just fitting we have a "whodunnit", or, in better terms, a "whereissauron" instead of a clear path to follow.
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Yeah agreed. I've been enjoying it too. The Sauron shape-shifting prospect and mystery is a great touch with a lot of possibilities. Also...even with my absolute favorite tv shows and movie I'd be lying if I said there weren't moments that were a bit slow or didn't hold my interest throughout. There were whole episodes of Breaking Bad that I fast-forwarded through...but I still love it. And the nature of episodic TV definitely separates it from movies. Just the nature of the beast.
I've noticed a pattern. Those that invent reasons why people don't like the show always make the same claims. Instead of hearing why most people despise the show, you make up some generic excuse about how they just don't know what it is.
You really think people are thrown off by genre or structure? It could be the best show, but if you go into expecting a drama, you'll be unable to enjoy it?
I don't care if you like it, just don't pretend you know why people don't, or convince them the show is below average with terrible writing. The dialogue is objectively awful.
"Why does a stone sink, but a ship does not? The ship has a secret. It looks up while the stone looks down."
Celebrimbor, the greatest living smith, didn't know what an alloy was?!
Galadriel tells them to make a 3rd ring instead of telling them who halbrand was?!
I really could keep going because this show is littered with poor writing and stupid characters.
@@PoopaChallupa "the dialogue is objectively awful" is a very bold statement for someone who wrote a comment to "respectfully attack" another opinion using an whole text full of cliches and no arguments that explain anything at all to say that the other person is wrong.
Your guys' reaction to the volcano scene was pretty much how we all reacted. XD And like you said, after the doldrums it hit that much harder.
I can appreciate youre being kind to appease the fans who like it, but this show sucks and you and I know it.
Sauron was one of the corrupted Mayars, who was part of the Vallar which created the dwarves , he was fan of crafting things , hence the rings... which he "gave as presents" to elves first...
I would love to see u guys all watch The old Hobbit and Lord of the rings Animated movie
23:24 the bitterness of his answer comes from his saying the sea is always right and his wife drown
Its funny that lots of watchers think that was a lava or pyroclastic flow. At that point it was just ashes. There. We don't need magic or plot to survive that wave of ash.
The most obvious explanation is usually the more probable one, I don't understand why people want to complicate things unless it's for pettiness, stupidity or just haterade
When volcanoes and minerals need absurd origin stories we can count on Amazon.
Some people who are complaining about her standing there haven't reached a low low point in their lives. I have. There's a point where you almost don't care anymore, almost just "let it happen" and close your eyes. I think this was her point, and I'm excited to see how she climbs up from it.
Hey, I'm glad you're here, genuinely. I appreciated your commentary on other threads too, you brightened my day
Halbrand is Sauron. Him & Galadriel have feelings for each other now. Their possible "union" is Sauron's near redemption arc: Galadriel is Sauron's Silmaril.
"Fëanor’s work nearly turned the heart of the Great Foe himself." -Celebrimbor (S1.E2)
No offense but that is straight bs. While this show has taken liberties and condensed the timeline massively, that would be so far of the mark, if they did it they should immediately change the name of the show. Cuz it would have nothing to do with LotR anymore.
Sauron’s possible repentance at the end of the first age is debateable at best. Tolkien never gave us a clear answer on that one. Yes Sauron was given the chance to repent and be forgiven after Morgoth’s defeat, but he refused to go to Valinor to face judgement. Above all else, remember that Sauron is “The Deceiver”. It is fully within his character to just lie outright about anything he needs to. That being said, I’m doubtful that Halbrand is Sauron. The only valid clue the show has given is his talent as a smith. But I think this is a misdirrect. I’m not convinved we have seen Sauron at all in the show yet.
@@cgrimes34 Sauron's identity has been leaked/spoiled already. Everything you said is correct. I would also like to point out Galadriel should be married already, but this show is all kinds of dumb. Oh well.
@@leonardopribic2661 I dont pay attention to leaks. I deliberately never even saw a single trailer for the show.
@@cgrimes34 It's fine. I was just saying that it is known. I for one love to "read ahead" for certain shows and movies, so I know if they are trash so I don't waste my money. ;)
:( I’m sorry I just came to see if you watched this :(
I love this show! I think it just gets better and better! I don't know much about the wider lore, i'm mainly a massive fan of the LOTR movies and the lore surrounding that story particularly. I know they've condensed the timeline a bit and I hear bits and pieces about how things go down in the appendices but i think it's really cool. I'm really intrigued by Halbrand and The Stranger. As a fan of LOTR it's been so exciting to see Mount Doom coming about, seeing Elendil is lovely. Him talking to the horse in Elvish was a lovely link to Aragorn, as was Galadriel saying "noro lim" to her horse, as Arwen did when being chased by the black riders. Loving the action. Episode 6 went hard on the violence. That orc spurting his blood all over Arondir was hilariously gross 🤣. Also Galadriel can't really out run it, seems fair to her character to just take it. Plus, this has been like a huge chunk of her very long life and no one has believed her recently about evil and Sauron still being out there and it's all quite literally exploding in front of her it's probably quite a big deal.
Medieval weapon: axe. because i am a dwarf. =)
Mt. Doom!!!
episode 6 was pretty awesome, it was the one I've been waiting for. I hope they keep up the same level of tension in the remaining two.
That mithril story is complete crap.
Billy Madison is a classic!
Haha so many quotable lines
Loving it. Read all the books, know the timeline, I separate the books from the show, and I’m loving what they’re doing. ❤
Would Gandalf be alive during this? Or had he been 'born' or however the Wizards come to be?
@@ct6852 He went by a different name at this time and they don't quite have those rights.
LOL
@@ct6852 Gandalf would be very much alive, as Gandalf(or Olórin) is born before Time, offspring of the thought of Eru, before the forming of Arda.
Wether he would be in middle-Earth as of the 2nd Age? Debatable, even amongst Tolkien scholars; most tend to lean towards the version that states Gandalf only arrives in middle-Earth in his Istari form in the 3rd Age, circa the year 1000.
Twinning. Love the books. Under stand copyright complications. Understand the stories and timelines won’t match.
yes that's mount doom
My medieval weapon of choice would be a 'Morning Star' (like a club with ball of spikes at one end) & Quinn & Oak's stunned reactions at the end of the episode haha 😄
I am enjoying the show. I have watched the movies and that is all I know. I like the pace, there's a lot to learn. I think the stranger is a wizard, maybe those people looking for him have stripped his memory? Enjoy your reactions.
Everyone died right
Whether it's with a sword or on horseback, I love seeing Galadriel in her element and thriving.
The fight coreography in this show is comical
It’s really bad writing and many things don’t make sense. It’s still entertaining enough to watch but there is not one character I would shed a tear over if they died. I find Galadriel to be unlikable and broody. Elendil himself stood 7’ 11” and it makes no sense that he would have trouble fighting with one single orc and in need of rescuing. I don’t want to pick it apart but the writing is just not intelligent. I enjoy y’all’s reactions tho guys.
Do you think she was likeable in the LOTR and Hobbit movies?
People liking episode 4, the slow episode, is going to always boggle my mind.
People liking any episode blows my mind. Easy to please, and agreeable people that don't care about Tolkien seem to like this show. Though, as a generic fantasy show, it still is below average.
@@PoopaChallupa lol
The beginning of Mordor❤ Greetings from Germany
For me personally, its getting more and more realistic that Halbrand is Sauron! (Even though i wasnt a Fan of the Theory at first😅)
The volcano is Mount Doom (Orodruin) cause a few hundred years later, all the Southlands and where all the Scenes are playing will be Mordor
I think, like most of the other guys in the comments, that the meteor-man is one of the wizards. Dont think its Gandalf or Saruman, but maybe Radagast or one of the Blue Wizards.
In any way, it HAS to be one of the Maias (like the Wizards,Sauron,Balrogs..) cause otherwise he wouldn’t have survived the meteor crash.
Always having such a good time watching you guys react to stuff and talk about it, cant wait for more😊
Much Love from Austria 🇦🇹🙌🏻
I think we just witnessed the birth of Mount Doom and Mordor in the same moment!!! They definitely heard your notes about the pacing and cranked it up to an 11 😂
Kept wondering where these reactions were! Episode 6 was fantastic! Will update comment as needed, as I watch lol
Honestly wouldn't blame them, RoP is just a snooze fest
@@jAmzye lol okay
@@jAmzye Why are you watching it then? What is it with all the boneheads out there watching stuff they don't like!