I want to see this guy succeed so badly, man. His work ethic, his level headedness, his professionalism... to say nothing that he was loyal enough to TSM to stick with them for as long as he did, regardless our personal opinions on whether that was a good idea. And yet despite all that for everything to end up just wasted effort in his last few Worlds runs. Really hope he finds greater success on his next team.
@@cryingwolf4955 You can tell by Regi's face he didnt expect their offer to be disregarded like that, im pretty sure the offer matched Bjergsen's name and long winded career.
@@JnxakaBeasie Please after DL left TSM back in 2017, they didn't even win another NA title, until he came back to TSM in his last split. DL wins NA on whichever team he goes to. They may not be able to get out of groups at worlds with him, but they can't even get to worlds without him.
lol why would FNATIC Bjergsen be better? U like the org? Players change basically every year in FNC nowdays. If it's an org matter I'd prefer him to C9 / TL honestly ^^'
@@johannesjakobsen6222 His split was good because no one knew how to play Vs Zilean because NA is a terrible region. He got decimated on the one pick everyone was hyping him up at worlds. TSM also wasn't even that good that split. Literally won games cause teams couldn't figure out the easiest mid lane champ to face.
Honestly i think it's the best choice. The only worry I have is that C9 isn't really what made C9 successful in the past. Sneaky was always consistent, Zven is not. I think Vulcan is decent in general, but based on worlds is not either someone that perform internationally. Fudge I think can manage but just needs a bit more time, and the same applies to Blaber. I just think that C9 rides a bit on historical success. Them getting out of the group with a 2-4 record + tiebreakers is solely due to a colossal collapse of FPX due to a variety of reasons. I struggle to see C9 being any more of a success than TSM. To me the only team that makes sense in NA at least would be TL. But it depends on who they get as their new top and adc.
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 you forget about shitty TSM management thought. I’m not too sure on the situation but I’m pretty sure there are rumors of like absolutely shitty management. Bjierg might’ve honestly just gotten sick of it. This is all just speculation though. Imo C9 rn > than TSM. The recent TSM rosters have just not been it dude.
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 I've been a fan of C9 for over 5 years and this is literally what people say every year. Blabber quite frankly always chokes internationally until this worlds where he played extremely well and fearlessly. Jack is smart and he'll build around his 2 young superstar talents in Blabber and Fudge. The 2 EU players on C9 definitely underperformed at worlds so getting solid imports will be high priority. I imagine they'll sign a superstar and a talented rookie. C9 has always been great at developing young talent.
100% agree, tho i will point out that one time TSM took MSI, if im not mistaken that's the year they got knocked out of quarterfinals(?) by EDG. otherwise piss-poor intenationally
@@localhobo5362 They've only ever won IEM when the Rox tigers were a fresh new team. If TSM had won MSI we would have never stopped hearing about how good TSM is or how MSI would somehow put him on par with Faker as GOAT.
I mean they play in north america and the org is based out of north america so yes. Also there are americans, koreans, europeans, south americans, many different cultures so no not just EU. I mean I guess you could call them "NA, EU, KR, BR, TR, ME, CA" teams if you really wanted to
@@pineconedz so what it is not that due to double lift leaving we are losing but liquids roster has not got the same stability especially this year with the whole team atmosphere drama
Disagree. You're literally describing every NA team that goes to worlds except C9. TL 2019 was supposed to be the best NA team created but they failed hard as well.
@HiveRobot TSM beat the finalist of 2016 which was SSG. TSM also beat FW who was the team that gave korean teams a hard time. TSM also beat WE that also made Semis in 2017. TSM was one of the teams that beat SSW who was the most dominant World champion once in the quarterfinals in 2014. Wdym?
@HiveRobot That's not the point. I'm just saying that CaptainFlowers is describing every NA team that goes to worlds except C9. The only way that I think Bjergsen can have success is by either going to EU or having an actual Super team in an NA team
@HiveRobot Wdym? Both TL and 100T ended 3-3. TSM went 3-3 in 2016 and 2017? If Doublelift didnt throw that engage on viktor, they may have made it to quarterfinals that year.
You are misunderstand what flower saying. He is saying Bjersen know TSM Bjersen is not the way to do well internationally. Therefore, to pull him back from retirement, he have to choose a different team, which is TL Bjersen or C9 Bjersen, and see if he can be successful internationally. It is not about the team record, it is about his record.
I mean look at the last 5 years alone. TSM missed worlds 2 of those times and got stuck in groups with 3-3 at best with no other international performances. TL went to MSI finals and competed in much harder groups than TSM did at worlds and performed as well if not better every time
No one is criticizing that they can't improve; they're criticizing that they don't improve. Year after year. Objectively nothing they've done has improved their situation; in some cases only making it worse. Plus, none of us are as privy to the internal situation of TSM as Bjergsen would ever be, thus it is very possible he knows more about the odds of them ever improving than we ever will.
I want to see this guy succeed so badly, man. His work ethic, his level headedness, his professionalism... to say nothing that he was loyal enough to TSM to stick with them for as long as he did, regardless our personal opinions on whether that was a good idea. And yet despite all that for everything to end up just wasted effort in his last few Worlds runs. Really hope he finds greater success on his next team.
Man you said it so well, thx for sharing
What is so interesting to me is that TSM extended an offer and Bjergsen declined it. That speaks volumes. You know that offer wasn't small.
Well said and i truly hope he will do well with TL
It probably was small, they don't spend money on talent. Unless its a garbage support
@@spreak2623 Oh no, for Bjergsen, they wouldn't hold back. For sure it would compare with the Perkz contract
@@cryingwolf4955 You can tell by Regi's face he didnt expect their offer to be disregarded like that, im pretty sure the offer matched Bjergsen's name and long winded career.
@@dutchdude1985 No offense but if they trade Jensen out for Bjergsen. That's a big yikes.
This guy really at least deserves a semi-run at worlds. Hope this TL fulfills his ambitions, the roster NA fans wouldn't have in their wildest dreams.
TSM is nothing without Bjerg and DL.
DL they guy who inted 2016 worlds? and got shit on last season with TSM plz dont compare DL with bjerg when bjerg still prime and DL washed KEKW
@@JnxakaBeasie Please after DL left TSM back in 2017, they didn't even win another NA title, until he came back to TSM in his last split. DL wins NA on whichever team he goes to. They may not be able to get out of groups at worlds with him, but they can't even get to worlds without him.
You do know TSM ran the show in NA before Bjergsen and DL were on the team right?
@@Silverblood13 just like ur mom 👍🏿
@@Silverblood13 They don't know man. But we can't discount double being an outright legend.
C9/TL Bjerg would be great, but imagine FNATIC Bjergsen. Now that's a banger
nisqy is legit better than what we last saw of bjergensen(aka the worlds last year)
@@bavnqr3134 wrong, his split was sooo good before worlds
lol why would FNATIC Bjergsen be better? U like the org? Players change basically every year in FNC nowdays. If it's an org matter I'd prefer him to C9 / TL honestly ^^'
@@johannesjakobsen6222 yeah but the difference is nisqy is playing vs humanoid, caps and larsen while bjerg is playing vs jensen at best...
@@johannesjakobsen6222 His split was good because no one knew how to play Vs Zilean because NA is a terrible region. He got decimated on the one pick everyone was hyping him up at worlds. TSM also wasn't even that good that split. Literally won games cause teams couldn't figure out the easiest mid lane champ to face.
Doublelift Gone, Leena Gone, Bjerg Gone. TSM is over.
Could be a super team on TL if Bjerg is their mid laner
well what do you know, it’s official
I heard c9 is looking for a mid....
Honestly i think it's the best choice. The only worry I have is that C9 isn't really what made C9 successful in the past. Sneaky was always consistent, Zven is not. I think Vulcan is decent in general, but based on worlds is not either someone that perform internationally. Fudge I think can manage but just needs a bit more time, and the same applies to Blaber. I just think that C9 rides a bit on historical success. Them getting out of the group with a 2-4 record + tiebreakers is solely due to a colossal collapse of FPX due to a variety of reasons. I struggle to see C9 being any more of a success than TSM. To me the only team that makes sense in NA at least would be TL. But it depends on who they get as their new top and adc.
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 Hes going to TL and Jensen swapping to ADC
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 it looks as though zven may be out as well
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 you forget about shitty TSM management thought. I’m not too sure on the situation but I’m pretty sure there are rumors of like absolutely shitty management. Bjierg might’ve honestly just gotten sick of it. This is all just speculation though. Imo C9 rn > than TSM. The recent TSM rosters have just not been it dude.
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 I've been a fan of C9 for over 5 years and this is literally what people say every year. Blabber quite frankly always chokes internationally until this worlds where he played extremely well and fearlessly. Jack is smart and he'll build around his 2 young superstar talents in Blabber and Fudge. The 2 EU players on C9 definitely underperformed at worlds so getting solid imports will be high priority. I imagine they'll sign a superstar and a talented rookie. C9 has always been great at developing young talent.
The only thing that tsm won was IEM katowice
by that logic C9 and TL never won anything right ?
Yep the only international event NA has won
lmao
So the only NA team to win anything. Ever. Is TSM? Nice.
and more games then any team NA period :p
100% agree, tho i will point out that one time TSM took MSI, if im not mistaken that's the year they got knocked out of quarterfinals(?) by EDG. otherwise piss-poor intenationally
Nah TSM haven't ever been out of groups at MSI. You're probably thinking of an IEM tournament.
@@shaneoblack1672 they won one didnt they? or I'm trippin
@@localhobo5362 They've only ever won IEM when the Rox tigers were a fresh new team. If TSM had won MSI we would have never stopped hearing about how good TSM is or how MSI would somehow put him on par with Faker as GOAT.
@@localhobo5362 Yeah IEM S9 back in 2015.
Fudge, Blaber, Bjergsen, Hans, & Mikyx
I like this. Very much. I’d be fine with Vulcan staying. But Sven is so inconsistent, more so than Vulcan
100% right
Steve and Bjerg linking arms on their way to 2 more domestic trophies.
The ceiling with TSM could be higher if the management was even remotely competent
Bjerg is coming back to claim his title number from doublelift lol
Travis did say doublelift might comeback 👀
With*
So weird how in league community coming from csgo they call these teams “NA” with no players from NA all EU are they just referring to the org?
I mean they play in north america and the org is based out of north america so yes. Also there are americans, koreans, europeans, south americans, many different cultures so no not just EU. I mean I guess you could call them "NA, EU, KR, BR, TR, ME, CA" teams if you really wanted to
Do they not know about countries in the csgo community?
Tsm won Katowice internationally
Didn't TL took over TSM in terms of wins? Anyone kept records?
they only have like 4 trophy bc of doublelift lol. literally didn't win a single one after he left.
@@sox719 because of core not doublelift. Core has been the face of liquid and a better player.
@@hameesmomin9801 but they haven't won since Doublelift left
They won 2 in a row without corejj though...
@@pineconedz so what it is not that due to double lift leaving we are losing but liquids roster has not got the same stability especially this year with the whole team atmosphere drama
C9 Bjergsen incoming.
TL Bjergsen incoming…
any NA team will be the same for Bjergsen sadly...
not if the NA team is all NON NA players bwiipo,santorin,bjerg,jensen/(hans sama),corejj
cant w8 to see yall cryin when tsm crush your super tl team
Pls just let it be in EU.
HAHAHAHA BJERGSEN WILL NEVER WIN INTERNATIONALLY ON AN NA TEAM
Apparently neither will the LEC on an EU team. :D
@@karsonkammerzell6955 g2
if you have a all non na team then yes its possible
Disagree. You're literally describing every NA team that goes to worlds except C9. TL 2019 was supposed to be the best NA team created but they failed hard as well.
@HiveRobot TSM beat the finalist of 2016 which was SSG. TSM also beat FW who was the team that gave korean teams a hard time. TSM also beat WE that also made Semis in 2017. TSM was one of the teams that beat SSW who was the most dominant World champion once in the quarterfinals in 2014. Wdym?
@HiveRobot That's not the point. I'm just saying that CaptainFlowers is describing every NA team that goes to worlds except C9. The only way that I think Bjergsen can have success is by either going to EU or having an actual Super team in an NA team
@HiveRobot Wdym? Both TL and 100T ended 3-3. TSM went 3-3 in 2016 and 2017? If Doublelift didnt throw that engage on viktor, they may have made it to quarterfinals that year.
You are misunderstand what flower saying.
He is saying Bjersen know TSM Bjersen is not the way to do well internationally. Therefore, to pull him back from retirement, he have to choose a different team, which is TL Bjersen or C9 Bjersen, and see if he can be successful internationally.
It is not about the team record, it is about his record.
@@kawai2743 he also saying TSM always has been the best in the west :p
Bwipo
Blabber
Bjerg
Hans
CoreJJ
Blabber over Santorin?
TSM has poor international performance in the past therefore it can never and will never improve? Solid logic.
They could but it is unlikely. The org keeps getting meh players around Bjerg outside of Spica.
He is a genius
I mean look at the last 5 years alone. TSM missed worlds 2 of those times and got stuck in groups with 3-3 at best with no other international performances. TL went to MSI finals and competed in much harder groups than TSM did at worlds and performed as well if not better every time
No one is criticizing that they can't improve; they're criticizing that they don't improve. Year after year. Objectively nothing they've done has improved their situation; in some cases only making it worse. Plus, none of us are as privy to the internal situation of TSM as Bjergsen would ever be, thus it is very possible he knows more about the odds of them ever improving than we ever will.
what a boring answer