I’ve always been called out for thigh contact and found it physically impossible to contact at the hips (especially being tall). This video has cemented to me that I am not incorrect on my form and helped me understand why. 👏
How tall? I'm 6'1 and I'm adjusting my grip and torso position in order to hit hips. This is making my 80% feel like literal air so long as I'm optimizing technique.
Interestingly I have the same issue. I’m 6 2 with a 78 inch reach. It’s literally impossible for me to get to my hips without doing a row. So I hit thigh and it works just fine.
These are, by far, the best instructional videos. As a crossfitter, who never really was taught the basics of weightlifting, these are amazing! Thank you!
Y’all are the best 💪🏽. Another great instructional vid that compliments the one y’all did with megsquats. I’ve been working on form first before loading more weight. Thanks for the great vids.
I'm confused about the purpose of hip contact. Ideally the bar moves straight up right? And the hip contact itself can't push the bar vertically. So does the hip contact just occur as a side effect of explosive hip extension? Ideally, hip contact isn't pushing the bar forward right? You said the bar can travel forward with a lot of forceful hip contact. That's the way I remember doing power cleans in high school, but I wasn't great at them, and it seems inefficient.
For some reason i find it really really hard to even have hip contact, ive always cleaned without it and never knew it was apart of the movement until recently. Even when im trying my hardest to do it it just doesnt feel right or comfortable
Me too, I haaaaaate when I have to do Hang Cleans or Hang Snatches cause you have to do this hip contact and I never have coordination to do this, neeeever
My clean grip has the bar just slightly below the hip crease but very close to it. By pulling the shoulders back I can have straight arms and in that lower hip crease area.
What do you think about gripping the bar wider? I've been experimenting with that and it appears to have worked for me, because it puts the contact point higher, helps me keep the elbows pointed upward and maintain the correct bar trajectory rather than trying to "bicep curl" the bar, and in the jerk portion of the lift, it has helped me focus on the proper use of lower body rather than trying to strict press the bar.
Ma Gumi simply do what makes you feel the most comfortable & strongest..it’s your body and no matter who the coach is only you know your body..I learned through trial & error I find havin hip contact in the clean makes me the strongest & most comfortable & not right on the thigh
My challenge is my "junk" is in the way with my natural clean grip. Contact the thigh sooner? Because if I abort the 2nd pull a bit then I have to jump forward to catch. Not good.
I used to do that too. Expirement with different grip widths on an empty bar. I found mine right grip on the bar by changing the distance of my grip, with straight arms, so the bar was hanging safely beneath my "junk" and could bounce it of my legs when I extended my hips
Well done video, as always. Great definition of where bar should make contact. She has toes pointed out and narrow stance - could you do a piece on this, ie best stance width? I know your physical therapist colleague Quinn disagrees with Kelly Starrett re toes straight vs natural hip socket based stance Quinn advocates.
I’ve seen various people do the clean different. My question is, are we supposed to make contact with the bar at our thighs? I’ve seen so many people not make any contact at all and just pull themselves under the bar. I’ve learned how to clean through torokhtiy and followed his movement patterns.
Bar contact should be inevitable (with proper form) because gravity will want to bring the weight through your thighs. Picture a side view of yourself holding a barbell, then an imaginary line from your shoulders down to the ground. Your thighs stop the weight from resting directly underneath your shoulders. Therefore, at full extension/vertical position some form of contact is inevitable/desirable
I have short arms, so as a guy…hip crease contact is less painful. But I also feel like the bar moves faster with it. Could this be true for some people? Or should I just take the L and go back to thigh contact.
This move is a lot easier for women due to flexibility and obviously they don’t have to worry about hitting their junk compared to some men who are large down there.
Is the "loss of power" from premature arm bend a data backed metric? Or are we just saying it from inference? You're increasing the pull on the bar. Sure with weaker muscles, but you're taking velocity from 1st pull + velocity from bending arms. It's added on because it's added after 1st force application. Secondly, hitting the ultimate fulcrum(hips) will give way more force into the bar.
As to the first point: I think he's right in that you will not under any circumstance come close to being able to bend your arms if you're actually lifting to the true peak ability of your legs. It may be done even at high levels, but it signals inefficiency. Point two: I agree with you, the power difference between hip vs thigh fulcrum when the technique is perfect favors hips in raw power. But if you're not perfectly proportioned to hit your hips straight armed you have to compromise somehow. Bent arms will hit a harder wall when things start to get real heavy, so a thigh fulcrum is long term advantageous. I'm not an olympic gold medalist though so grain of salt.
Point 1: Yes under static loading, but this is adding legs and arms together. Lydia Valentin is a gold medalist and isn't the only one to do this. Point 2: I will argue that one can make the technique work for them. Personally I'm not built for weightlifting, but I just placed 3rd in my state and I'm changing my timing and hand position in order to make hip contact. I think if I can do it, others can too. Grain of salt for me as well. I just think Max lacks nuance and there's a lot of dogma in American weightlifting. All my opinion.
Interesting opinion but then why do you see so many of the top Olympic lifters hip cleaning? If it truly was much more inefficient then why do some of the best people at cleans do hip cleans just look at CJ Cummings, and tian Tao.
This channel teaches textbook techniques, which is not for the advanced individuals who aspire to be olympic champions. Hip cleans when done right can grant tremendous power and bar height
thanks I do understand how is done correctly and can almost do it correctly for light weights but for heavy weights the muscle memory drives me to use my arms despite my conscious effort not to do so.
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I’ve always been called out for thigh contact and found it physically impossible to contact at the hips (especially being tall). This video has cemented to me that I am not incorrect on my form and helped me understand why. 👏
How tall?
I'm 6'1 and I'm adjusting my grip and torso position in order to hit hips. This is making my 80% feel like literal air so long as I'm optimizing technique.
Interestingly I have the same issue. I’m 6 2 with a 78 inch reach. It’s literally impossible for me to get to my hips without doing a row. So I hit thigh and it works just fine.
Wider grip you big giraffe bastards
These are, by far, the best instructional videos. As a crossfitter, who never really was taught the basics of weightlifting, these are amazing! Thank you!
It's CrossFit. Technique isn't important. You just need to do way to many reps with poor form just to get the fastest time.
Look for another Box
Sounds like a garbage gym. I'm sorry.
This is the blind leading the dumb
Max during training:
"Do it again, but do it less shitty."
Max during instructional videos:
"Do it again, but do it more shitty."
Thank you, I was obsessing about getting hip contact when using my upper thigh was working fine
At 5:00, if she shrugs her shoulders she can make hip contact with her arms locked out. Thats how I was taught to do it.
Yes! This breakdown is great. Thank you.
I exactly have problem with bending arm before power position... Thank You for great explain 💪
Y’all are the best 💪🏽. Another great instructional vid that compliments the one y’all did with megsquats. I’ve been working on form first before loading more weight. Thanks for the great vids.
Our pleasure
Fantastic breakdown. Very informative.
Thanks for the excellent breakdown of the two movements.
I'm confused about the purpose of hip contact. Ideally the bar moves straight up right? And the hip contact itself can't push the bar vertically. So does the hip contact just occur as a side effect of explosive hip extension? Ideally, hip contact isn't pushing the bar forward right?
You said the bar can travel forward with a lot of forceful hip contact. That's the way I remember doing power cleans in high school, but I wasn't great at them, and it seems inefficient.
Wonderful video, I will use it along today's training. Thank you.
For some reason i find it really really hard to even have hip contact, ive always cleaned without it and never knew it was apart of the movement until recently. Even when im trying my hardest to do it it just doesnt feel right or comfortable
Me too, I haaaaaate when I have to do Hang Cleans or Hang Snatches cause you have to do this hip contact and I never have coordination to do this, neeeever
Then don't do it
@@vitoriaoliveira2802if you’re not snatching at the hip, you’re doing it wrong. That’s the ONLY contact point in that movement
My clean grip has the bar just slightly below the hip crease but very close to it. By pulling the shoulders back I can have straight arms and in that lower hip crease area.
What do you think about gripping the bar wider? I've been experimenting with that and it appears to have worked for me, because it puts the contact point higher, helps me keep the elbows pointed upward and maintain the correct bar trajectory rather than trying to "bicep curl" the bar, and in the jerk portion of the lift, it has helped me focus on the proper use of lower body rather than trying to strict press the bar.
Ma Gumi simply do what makes you feel the most comfortable & strongest..it’s your body and no matter who the coach is only you know your body..I learned through trial & error I find havin hip contact in the clean makes me the strongest & most comfortable & not right on the thigh
My challenge is my "junk" is in the way with my natural clean grip. Contact the thigh sooner? Because if I abort the 2nd pull a bit then I have to jump forward to catch. Not good.
I used to do that too. Expirement with different grip widths on an empty bar. I found mine right grip on the bar by changing the distance of my grip, with straight arms, so the bar was hanging safely beneath my "junk" and could bounce it of my legs when I extended my hips
Oddly enough I have not come across a single video that talks about this! I'm glad I wasn't the only one!
This is what i need, thank you
Well done video, as always. Great definition of where bar should make contact. She has toes pointed out and narrow stance - could you do a piece on this, ie best stance width? I know your physical therapist colleague Quinn disagrees with Kelly Starrett re toes straight vs natural hip socket based stance Quinn advocates.
Here ya go: th-cam.com/video/Fob2wWEC72s/w-d-xo.html
Wow Thank you, lifechanging
I’ve seen various people do the clean different. My question is, are we supposed to make contact with the bar at our thighs? I’ve seen so many people not make any contact at all and just pull themselves under the bar. I’ve learned how to clean through torokhtiy and followed his movement patterns.
Bar contact should be inevitable (with proper form) because gravity will want to bring the weight through your thighs.
Picture a side view of yourself holding a barbell, then an imaginary line from your shoulders down to the ground. Your thighs stop the weight from resting directly underneath your shoulders.
Therefore, at full extension/vertical position some form of contact is inevitable/desirable
Really good info, thanks
I have short arms, so as a guy…hip crease contact is less painful. But I also feel like the bar moves faster with it. Could this be true for some people? Or should I just take the L and go back to thigh contact.
Outstanding video
Now please do Snatch!!!
This move is a lot easier for women due to flexibility and obviously they don’t have to worry about hitting their junk compared to some men who are large down there.
Thanks for the video
Is the "loss of power" from premature arm bend a data backed metric? Or are we just saying it from inference?
You're increasing the pull on the bar. Sure with weaker muscles, but you're taking velocity from 1st pull + velocity from bending arms. It's added on because it's added after 1st force application.
Secondly, hitting the ultimate fulcrum(hips) will give way more force into the bar.
As to the first point: I think he's right in that you will not under any circumstance come close to being able to bend your arms if you're actually lifting to the true peak ability of your legs. It may be done even at high levels, but it signals inefficiency.
Point two: I agree with you, the power difference between hip vs thigh fulcrum when the technique is perfect favors hips in raw power. But if you're not perfectly proportioned to hit your hips straight armed you have to compromise somehow. Bent arms will hit a harder wall when things start to get real heavy, so a thigh fulcrum is long term advantageous.
I'm not an olympic gold medalist though so grain of salt.
Point 1:
Yes under static loading, but this is adding legs and arms together. Lydia Valentin is a gold medalist and isn't the only one to do this.
Point 2: I will argue that one can make the technique work for them. Personally I'm not built for weightlifting, but I just placed 3rd in my state and I'm changing my timing and hand position in order to make hip contact. I think if I can do it, others can too.
Grain of salt for me as well.
I just think Max lacks nuance and there's a lot of dogma in American weightlifting.
All my opinion.
Is it different for a power clean?
That's why Chinese weighlifters have such great biceps
Interesting opinion but then why do you see so many of the top Olympic lifters hip cleaning? If it truly was much more inefficient then why do some of the best people at cleans do hip cleans just look at CJ Cummings, and tian Tao.
This channel teaches textbook techniques, which is not for the advanced individuals who aspire to be olympic champions. Hip cleans when done right can grant tremendous power and bar height
you solved my problem
Best out there 💫🙌💖
Are You Kidding!!!!
So how do you fix a bent arm e.g. after months of malpractice?
thanks I do understand how is done correctly and can almost do it correctly for light weights but for heavy weights the muscle memory drives me to use my arms despite my conscious effort not to do so.
Try cleaning from blocks.
How about those chinese weightlifters, they start with straight arms in the first pull and in the second pull they bend their arms to use hip contact
Q_A_K_H_ Ly they can make hip contact w/o bending arms due to short arms and long torso.
Weightlifting fanatic Not all of the Chinese lifters have short arms and long torso though.
@@torch469 Look at Li Dayin and Shi Zhiyong, he has one of the more normal looking body structures out of the Chinese team
What if I hip clean with straight arm? Will I get benefits of thigh contact with making hip contact
no cuz your body has it at a point where it is more natural
hip clean - every highschool and college jock ever
Chinese weightlifting champions do hip cleans
God 👊🏼
Greg Everret literally says the opposite omg
she bent their elbows here 0:51 ????!!!
Nope.