One thing I’ve learned from this is that, just because you have Dr. in the front of your name, doesn’t mean you are sound. Thabiti anyabwile is so sharp and accurate, this man knows the Word for real. Much respect to him.
I think your point would be better stated as "You don't HAVE to have the title "Dr." in front of your name to be sound. None of the panelists with the title "Dr." sounded like they were lacking.
There is no compromise when it comes to the Word of God- period. There are plenty of scriptures that tell us this. God is the Word- love him (the Word) with all your heart. Period. It’s challenging but we are called to do so.
“Im troubled by the clear parts”. Love this! There are things that God is clear on through His Word. That’s what I choose to focus on. Put away doubtful disputation. Let’s not wrestle with the unclear things but focus on what we clearly know we need to do or how to live. I sincerely ask for prayer… I may not be where I ought in God be but I will never dilute the Word of God.
I thank God for this conversation. It was extremely Fruitful. Even though I didn't catch it live, I definitely found myself engaging in/with the conversation and taking plenty of notes. I don't know what my sister on the end has been through, but I am praying for her and her loved ones. Sometimes we are more passionate about a subject not because we have experience, but because someone we love dearly does - and negatively so. I thank God for my brother sitting next to her. Powerful & Anointed Man of GOD! The Holy Ghost was/is definitely flowing in and through him! Please notice my bro had the Bible in his lap the whole time! ARMED AND READY! Come Through!! Sis on the other side of the moderator, she came with it too more than she didn't. Some things were sketchy,,, but her saving grace was her transparency. When she spoke of what she wrestles with, it made her previous comments make all the more sense. My man on the end tho... Just going to be in prayer for him and those that follow. There is a clear lack of confidence in Scripture and extreme compromise. The moderator did a fantastic job steering this conversation in light of its intensity. I Very Much Appreciate This Conversation. I love that the clip began with this - JUST BECAUSE IT IS DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE, DOESN'T MEAN GOD IS PRESCRIBING IT FOR OUR LIVES. #Describe Does Not Mean Prescribe!
I don’t know much, can’t answer most questions with absolute authority. All I can do is give you what I genuinely and authentically believe Gods truth is saying to you through me,but I’m positive will stand in this, you can’t make the Bible say what it doesn’t, and If we doubt the validity of Bible without understanding our doubts don’t invalidate the absolute truth of the Bible, then l have no actual foundational lens and truth to live and see all the issues from. Regardless of what I think about them.. loved this!! Thank You all for this rich deep and very helpful dialogue!! Y’all taught this thang!!!!
It is very clear on the subject. And anyone who had decided to suggest that it isn't clear on the subject is not clear in their reading and comprehension . Period.
Sis on the end is so caught up in her feelings that she doesn't WANT Scripture to be clear on issues that she disagrees with. She takes issue with referring to God as 'He" yet Jesus Himself referred to God as a Father. To be clear, God is neither a man nor woman (because He's not human), but He is spirit who presents Himself to us as a Father. So "He" sounds about right.
Interesting to observe which panelists are the clearest in articulation and which serve the most word salad, and which are serene in their expression and which are angry.
Context!!!!!!!!!! Too many times we read scripture and assume the culture, region, and systems were the same 2000 to 4000 years ago as they are today. So much so that now when most people quote scripture I give it a caution sign and remind myself to check a commentary or study the history of that culture to see if it’s applicable.
There is no issue where the text is silent. It is foundational on all issues, nothing new under the sun. And yes mam 12 year olds are still being sold into marriage in places like Guatemala and other places
Sometimes we take opinions of biblical writers as a fact and exalt it over truth that contradicts what we have been indoctrinated to believe for instance in 1Corinthians7:12,17 Paul is offering his personal opinion as regards marriage and we have taken it as absolute and binding in every situation without taking into context the text was written so it is with regards to issues such politics,LGBTQ,abortion etc
♥️ During the past 4 years after much questioning, digging, research, and conviction, I have returned to my Christian faith. Notwithstanding, we seem to forget that the Bible was written by man, though inspired by GOD . Therefore, if it was written by man & man being flawed and finite (cannot fully know, comprehend, or fully understand the infallible infinite & eternal GOD. For who can know the mind of God? The Bible therefore, has some error within man’s written work.
@@eastsideapologetics6147 respectfully because ppl like u act like u been scared to speak on the truth this whole time u damn right I been a non believer that doesn’t mean I can’t speak on my beliefs don’t come at me and stick yo chest out like u the top dog 👎🏾for all we could know Christianity is evil and ATRS is holy 😌RESPECTFULLY
@@eastsideapologetics6147 respectfully because ppl like u act like u been scared to speak on the truth this whole time u damn right I been a non believer that doesn’t mean I can’t speak on my beliefs don’t come at me and stick yo chest out like u the top dog 👎🏾for all we could know Christianity is evil and ATRS is holy 😌RESPECTFULLY
I'm so tired of hearing theologians twist the Bible to fit the culture. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Heb 13:8). God is not a man...that He should change His mind (Num 23:19). If it was wrong back then, it's wrong today, and wrong tomorrow. Whether YOU CHOOSE to obey is up to you.
Often times in discussions like these we tend to listen for the voices that affirm what we believe, when we should be listening to hear with the Spirit might be trying to point us too!! Looking back 20 centuries having been shaped by all sorts of things, it is hardly Clear that any of us are Clear about much! Good religion should move the human family forward. As a Preacher and Theologian, I ask God, what is the truth from his word and spirit for the 21st century? Nobody said much about what Jesus was Clear, he left us the SPIRIT! But when the truth-giving Spirit comes, he will unveil the reality of every truth within you. He won’t speak on his own, but only what he hears from the Father, and he will reveal prophetically to you what is to come. John 16:13 TPT
HE LOST ME WITH anti Asian HATE!! Black folks love Asian food, hair, eyelashes, clothes, and women… you listening to them people we talking about.. hate is the problem not Asians people black people or white people… we love each other. It’s the Hate that is the problem
Daniel 4:27Wherefore O king ,let my counsel be acceptable unto thee,break off thy sins by righteousness and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor,it may be a lengthening of thy tranquility is a political statement by Daniel to a king
What does he mean affirmation of the lgbtq community @41:00 or so? The man & woman at both ends clearly don’t understand the Bible. This is part of the issue I may have studied theology but that doesn’t mean it’s sound. Our understanding of scripture can’t be wrapped in our humanity. It should be the other way around. Jesus’ was counter cultural with everyone!!! He didn’t adjust according to cultural acceptance.
Scripture has examples where prophets were political in that they addresses issues that were political for example they spoke against social injustice, corruption, abuse of power prophets Like Elijah,Nathan, Isaiah ,Amos,Micah,Jeremiah and Daniel to mention but a few and even John Baptist in the NT spoke against abuse and was beheaded for it
I think the church have fail the black neighborhoods super bad. Always talking about they the head, have all the power but in the neighborhoods we own nothing less than 1% of wealth. Also every Christian go to heaven. Out of 50 years i never been to a funeral that someone went to hell. Every funeral they in a better place with Jesus hell must be empty
@Genesis 12:3 = Matthew 25:31-46 Father Abraham Jesus the Christ goats sheep Matthew 6:29-21. (29. But lay up for yourselves treasures in Heaven...(21. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. God bless you!!!
When you stand up for God that is in you then you in your power can influance those who are in politics. You influance politics you should not have to get in involved with politics. The reason the constitution refers to religion and not Christianity because of the dilution of the word of God..
If you have to think through your theology, ideology, and whatever else and at the end choose a path other than your theology, then you are Luke warm. God has the final say or He is not your God
This lady in the black jacket is totally off with a lot of what she’s saying. The text is there for a reason, it’s made black and white for a reason, God want us to know what it is and what He wants us to do which is right according to Him… a He, the same He that Jesus refer to as a Father which is a male figure. Regardless of what we feel or think God and His Christ said what they said and that’s that. And any where the text is “silent” that’s where by way of prayer we seek the Father’s heart on the matter via the Holy Spirit that communicates the heart of the Father to us through prayer! Period!!!
Definitely agree with you. Some people know that there was 400 years of silence from the OT to NT, he was still God. When we take our human thought to explain God, we can present emotional triggers and unresolved issues as presented with the man and woman on the end.
I’m not watching this video, I’m just making a comment since this video is opened to comments. Ok my question is why do you close your comment section when you’ll discuss IUIC? Why do you call the IUIC a cult? Why is it you don’t have someone from IUIC to come on your show? You guys are failing the church and it is time to wake up. I would really love to listen to you’ll having a conversation with IUIC, maybe you guys can learn from each other!
@@mrredmon99Okay got it! @peggynivens7912 is talking about the Israel (or Israelis) United in Christ. And for future reference, Peggy, it would probably be better for you to let Lisa and Jude 3 know what your acronym means by spelling it out order to better find out whether they affirm or deny the topic your asking them about. JS.
One thing I’ve learned from this is that, just because you have Dr. in the front of your name, doesn’t mean you are sound. Thabiti anyabwile is so sharp and accurate, this man knows the Word for real. Much respect to him.
I think your point would be better stated as "You don't HAVE to have the title "Dr." in front of your name to be sound. None of the panelists with the title "Dr." sounded like they were lacking.
There is no compromise when it comes to the Word of God- period. There are plenty of scriptures that tell us this. God is the Word- love him (the Word) with all your heart. Period. It’s challenging but we are called to do so.
“Im troubled by the clear parts”. Love this!
There are things that God is clear on through His Word. That’s what I choose to focus on.
Put away doubtful disputation. Let’s not wrestle with the unclear things but focus on what we clearly know we need to do or how to live. I sincerely ask for prayer… I may not be where I ought in God be but I will never dilute the Word of God.
Thabiti Anyabwile-what a Bible scholar! Very profound and speaks with such clarity 💯🔥We must stand on the Word and under the Word!
Thabiti Anyabwile and Dr. Jacqueline Rivers are absolutely awesome and the genuine as of their faith is on point.
I thank God for this conversation. It was extremely Fruitful. Even though I didn't catch it live, I definitely found myself engaging in/with the conversation and taking plenty of notes.
I don't know what my sister on the end has been through, but I am praying for her and her loved ones. Sometimes we are more passionate about a subject not because we have experience, but because someone we love dearly does - and negatively so.
I thank God for my brother sitting next to her. Powerful & Anointed Man of GOD! The Holy Ghost was/is definitely flowing in and through him! Please notice my bro had the Bible in his lap the whole time! ARMED AND READY! Come Through!!
Sis on the other side of the moderator, she came with it too more than she didn't. Some things were sketchy,,, but her saving grace was her transparency. When she spoke of what she wrestles with, it made her previous comments make all the more sense.
My man on the end tho... Just going to be in prayer for him and those that follow. There is a clear lack of confidence in Scripture and extreme compromise.
The moderator did a fantastic job steering this conversation in light of its intensity.
I Very Much Appreciate This Conversation.
I love that the clip began with this -
JUST BECAUSE IT IS DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE, DOESN'T MEAN GOD IS PRESCRIBING IT FOR OUR LIVES.
#Describe Does Not Mean Prescribe!
Pastors have a right to ask candidates what they believe. The candidate is NOT forced to lie. We don't need to be afraid of the Truth.
“I’M TROUBLED BY THE CLEAR PARTS” ✊🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾🤯🤯🤯
I don’t know much, can’t answer most questions with absolute authority. All I can do is give you what I genuinely and authentically believe Gods truth is saying to you through me,but I’m positive will stand in this, you can’t make the Bible say what it doesn’t, and If we doubt the validity of Bible without understanding our doubts don’t invalidate the absolute truth of the Bible, then l have no actual foundational lens and truth to live and see all the issues from. Regardless of what I think about them.. loved this!! Thank You all for this rich deep and very helpful dialogue!! Y’all taught this thang!!!!
I believe the text is very clear on homosexuality and gender.
Not necessarily ❤
Yes, the Bible IS very clear on this issue. People just want to justify what they want to do and not live by the Word of God.
It is. And on LGBTQ- whether family or not.
It is very clear on the subject. And anyone who had decided to suggest that it isn't clear on the subject is not clear in their reading and comprehension . Period.
Sis on the end is so caught up in her feelings that she doesn't WANT Scripture to be clear on issues that she disagrees with. She takes issue with referring to God as 'He" yet Jesus Himself referred to God as a Father. To be clear, God is neither a man nor woman (because He's not human), but He is spirit who presents Himself to us as a Father. So "He" sounds about right.
Exactly brother
I agree with most of what you said but I will also say that God is a man. Jesus is God 😁 Jesus is the Godman
Jesus also said God is a spirit and they that worship must do so in spirit and truth!
God is not a man that he should lie
@@RellGiles Even a babe in Christ knows what u said is SOO not true.
Interesting to observe which panelists are the clearest in articulation and which serve the most word salad, and which are serene in their expression and which are angry.
Powerful dialogue! Excellent, thank you.
Thabiti Anyabwile, PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Context!!!!!!!!!! Too many times we read scripture and assume the culture, region, and systems were the same 2000 to 4000 years ago as they are today. So much so that now when most people quote scripture I give it a caution sign and remind myself to check a commentary or study the history of that culture to see if it’s applicable.
Exactly
There is no issue where the text is silent. It is foundational on all issues, nothing new under the sun. And yes mam 12 year olds are still being sold into marriage in places like Guatemala and other places
You can’t be political in church but we can be in a secret society of a sorority
Sometimes we take opinions of biblical writers as a fact and exalt it over truth that contradicts what we have been indoctrinated to believe for instance in 1Corinthians7:12,17 Paul is offering his personal opinion as regards marriage and we have taken it as absolute and binding in every situation without taking into context the text was written so it is with regards to issues such politics,LGBTQ,abortion etc
♥️ During the past 4 years after much questioning, digging, research, and conviction, I have returned to my Christian faith.
Notwithstanding, we seem to forget that the Bible was written by man, though inspired by GOD .
Therefore, if it was written by man & man being flawed and finite (cannot fully know, comprehend, or fully understand the infallible infinite & eternal GOD.
For who can know the mind of God?
The Bible therefore, has some error within man’s written work.
How do I get an interview I would like to tell my story on how I grew up in church but chose Vodu instead especially growing up in the south of NC
Were you a follower of Jesus?
@@eastsideapologetics6147 😂no I just grew up in the church I didn’t follow Jesus he followed me
@@Jakutashango respectfully, why would you want them to interview you if you’ve been a non believer the whole time?
@@eastsideapologetics6147 respectfully because ppl like u act like u been scared to speak on the truth this whole time u damn right I been a non believer that doesn’t mean I can’t speak on my beliefs don’t come at me and stick yo chest out like u the top dog 👎🏾for all we could know Christianity is evil and ATRS is holy 😌RESPECTFULLY
@@eastsideapologetics6147 respectfully because ppl like u act like u been scared to speak on the truth this whole time u damn right I been a non believer that doesn’t mean I can’t speak on my beliefs don’t come at me and stick yo chest out like u the top dog 👎🏾for all we could know Christianity is evil and ATRS is holy 😌RESPECTFULLY
Much needed discussion.
I'm so tired of hearing theologians twist the Bible to fit the culture. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Heb 13:8). God is not a man...that He should change His mind (Num 23:19). If it was wrong back then, it's wrong today, and wrong tomorrow. Whether YOU CHOOSE to obey is up to you.
DAT PART!
Often times in discussions like these we tend to listen for the voices that affirm what we believe, when we should be listening to hear with the Spirit might be trying to point us too!! Looking back 20 centuries having been shaped by all sorts of things, it is hardly Clear that any of us are Clear about much! Good religion should move the human family forward. As a Preacher and Theologian, I ask God, what is the truth from his word and spirit for the 21st century? Nobody said much about what Jesus was Clear, he left us the SPIRIT! But when the truth-giving Spirit comes, he will unveil the reality of every truth within you. He won’t speak on his own, but only what he hears from the Father, and he will reveal prophetically to you what is to come.
John 16:13 TPT
That part let the WORD do the work !!!
HE LOST ME WITH anti Asian HATE!! Black folks love Asian food, hair, eyelashes, clothes, and women… you listening to them people we talking about.. hate is the problem not Asians people black people or white people… we love each other. It’s the Hate that is the problem
Unfortunately, too often those other communities don’t reciprocate advocacy for our issues so there’s that.
Daniel 4:27Wherefore O king ,let my counsel be acceptable unto thee,break off thy sins by righteousness and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor,it may be a lengthening of thy tranquility is a political statement by Daniel to a king
yessss! 👏🏽
What does he mean affirmation of the lgbtq community @41:00 or so?
The man & woman at both ends clearly don’t understand the Bible. This is part of the issue I may have studied theology but that doesn’t mean it’s sound. Our understanding of scripture can’t be wrapped in our humanity. It should be the other way around. Jesus’ was counter cultural with everyone!!! He didn’t adjust according to cultural acceptance.
Exactly! Facts!
Scripture has examples where prophets were political in that they addresses issues that were political for example they spoke against social injustice, corruption, abuse of power prophets Like Elijah,Nathan, Isaiah ,Amos,Micah,Jeremiah and Daniel to mention but a few and even John Baptist in the NT spoke against abuse and was beheaded for it
They own everything. 😅
I think the church have fail the black neighborhoods super bad. Always talking about they the head, have all the power but in the neighborhoods we own nothing less than 1% of wealth. Also every Christian go to heaven. Out of 50 years i never been to a funeral that someone went to hell. Every funeral they in a better place with Jesus hell must be empty
True lol 😆🤣
@Genesis 12:3 = Matthew 25:31-46
Father Abraham
Jesus the Christ
goats sheep
Matthew 6:29-21. (29. But lay up for
yourselves treasures in Heaven...(21.
For where your treasure is, there will
your heart be also. God bless you!!!
When you stand up for God that is in you then you in your power can influance those who are in politics. You influance politics you should not have to get in involved with politics.
The reason the constitution refers to religion and not Christianity because of the dilution of the word of God..
If you have to think through your theology, ideology, and whatever else and at the end choose a path other than your theology, then you are Luke warm. God has the final say or He is not your God
This lady in the black jacket is totally off with a lot of what she’s saying. The text is there for a reason, it’s made black and white for a reason, God want us to know what it is and what He wants us to do which is right according to Him… a He, the same He that Jesus refer to as a Father which is a male figure. Regardless of what we feel or think God and His Christ said what they said and that’s that. And any where the text is “silent” that’s where by way of prayer we seek the Father’s heart on the matter via the Holy Spirit that communicates the heart of the Father to us through prayer! Period!!!
Definitely agree with you. Some people know that there was 400 years of silence from the OT to NT, he was still God. When we take our human thought to explain God, we can present emotional triggers and unresolved issues as presented with the man and woman on the end.
Jude 3,
Same panel, this year, same topic.. The more things change, the more they remain the same..
No we don't need to be deeply involved
Dr. McMickle is totally right about selective exegesis, what he may not notice is that he’s fallen into the same unbiblical trap.
As a so called black man, its amazing how much you people are deceived and her with this crying because she wants to be wicked.
I don't believe the two mix
I’m not watching this video, I’m just making a comment since this video is opened to comments. Ok my question is why do you close your comment section when you’ll discuss IUIC? Why do you call the IUIC a cult? Why is it you don’t have someone from IUIC to come on your show? You guys are failing the church and it is time to wake up. I would really love to listen to you’ll having a conversation with IUIC, maybe you guys can learn from each other!
What is IUIC?????
I’d also like to know what IUIC is as well?
@@mrredmon99maybe we can google it.
@@mrredmon99Okay got it! @peggynivens7912 is talking about the Israel (or Israelis) United in Christ. And for future reference, Peggy, it would probably be better for you to let Lisa and Jude 3 know what your acronym means by spelling it out order to better find out whether they affirm or deny the topic your asking them about. JS.