And it's even funnier seeing the flustered subscriber realizing "wait a minute, this guys making crazy mistakes, I still have a chance" lol and then actually burying him in short order
That reminds me of the time I was cheating and I was winning but then I moved the wrong piece by accident somehow which blundered my queen and instantly cost me the entire game. :p
I've done this a BUNCH of times. Another good way to get your kids involved is to alternate moves. I'm sure that would (and has) lead to All SORTS of assumptions by folks. Shrug.
Your analysis is actually incredible, these cheaters probably don't think they will be exposed if they cheat on and off during a game but I think you nailed the difference between their thought process and a computer's thought process. Good shit!
@@ArtieDuels Chess is fun because it's hard, that's why cheating is pointless, and also unfair for those who put in the work, which takes the fun for both of you.
@@ArtieDuels You're the only spaz here, the people posting these replies have the good sense to know that you can never trust a cheater. You are a cheater and are therefore untrustworthy and unlikeable.
I was Gotham sub, Levy just made absolutely amazing content out of something I didn't think was that good. Just a few notes: 3:51 - I played d5 because I really wanted to give that smothered mate, so me kick rook 5:41 - Yes that was hilarious, I actually did not take the pawn on purpose because I wanted to fully focus on checkmate in the fewest moves and I missed that the promotion is check 6:07 - LMAO 9:02 - I know it's bad but I like making that sacrifice because I like the open king, and it catches them off-guard. Breaks the boring board too. 11:41 - It was already obvious he was cheating but here I was like OKAY DUDE for sure, if you want to play perfect Vienna, come get me, I know it all.. 15:18 - ..up until this point. Everything was from my knowledge of the studies from the amazing Gotham Vienna course at chessly. So I kinda panicked at that point. 19:17 - Holy hell! You made me genuinely happy with the video, thank you Levy and xqcL. I'm going back to learn more Vienna/Caro theory
I’m like 200 higher rated than you and I’m very impressed with your opening knowledge dude I know my openings like 3 moves deep I wouldn’t be surprised if you passed me soon
Yeah I literally don't notice the sounds one way or the other. If you asked me before this video whether Levy has sounds on or off in his videos, I wouldn't be able to tell you even though I'm a regular viewer. Just drifts into the subconscious background.
@@Elearen I've had this conversation so many times at my old chess club to the point where it was written down because many people contested it. We were all young so not a big deal but my brother showed me it at home
I would like to see a series where someone gets a winning position (+3, + 8, etc.) but has to play the rest of the game against Stockfish. I wonder how much of an advantage different rated players need to beat Stockfish).
I think that it would work better with an aggressive or tactical strong player (like Rosen or Cramling's dad), because when Stockfish plays a lost position, it doesn't consider the fact that the opponent is lower rated. It will give up and let the lower rated opponent convert the advantage (if they can). A tactical grandmaster, instead, will try every possible trick in order to make the opponent make a mistake, thus having a much more interesting game.
@@gaopinghu7332 bro, those are one of the best players in the world - they will just find a winning moves and win those games lol, its just not gonna work against someone IM level
chessnetwork had an IM play stockfish 15 but they were up a knight on stream yesterday, they were winning most of the game and then blundered a tactic in time pressure
Gotham sub really needs more praise, he really played very well. He knew his opening very thoroughly and I think he is on his way to becoming 1700 at least
That skill difference and the hilarious difference in game 3 between playing with engine and just absolutely blundering every single piece without it is also spectacular.
seriously... the cheater doesnt even know basic chess and yet he has cheats installed and is trying to play mind games to appear legit. the fuck is he even doing with his life
I just don't understand why they gotta go for stock fish... like... surely a 2k bot would win just as well, but wouldn't ping as perfect moves every single time. It'd look a lot more like someone just played a good game. Just wild.
im a fan of the piece sounds, but a little softer/quieter would be much appreciated. amazing video, i love the playstyle of the subscriber, its very logical and clean
Playing chess in low elo reminds me of playing low elo fps games. Its a mixed bag of playing with noobs - gamers - ex professional super nova grandmaster in one skill bracket. I never know if my next opponent is a returning master or a fresh off the bus meat puppet still learning how to move.
G4 is definitely a natural move for this level of play. Just a bit lower in terms of elo, bishops get trapped exactly like that all the time. You can get to 13/1400s lacking all sorts of knowledge and principles.
also pawn a7 to attack the bishop is played all the time at lower level. bishop being there is annoying so just get rid of it and maybe get a getaway square if you castle that side
these are my favorite chess videos on the internet. Taking down cheaters is both hilarious and satisfying. Super interesting too. Also the piece moves made nice sounds.
Just gonna say, the move g4 at 8:30 I saw all the time when playing around 13-1400. It is very common for lower rated players to push out bishops that way. Usually it's probably not a good move though.
Ngl I watch just about every upload and never even really noticed the sounds weren’t there. Come for the commentary and the recaps, it’s not pivotal to hear the pieces but definitely didn’t mind them. Keep up the awesome vids 🎉
I like the sounds and volume fine. I’ve noticed lately people caught cheating against me have had a mix of wins and losses. It’s not just someone winning every game anymore.
Most cheaters set up positions in midgame, so you might experience a long thinking time, followed with devastatingly accurate moves in short consistent time.
So basically the reason that g4 is a good move in that scenario for the second game is because it forces any attack and pressure off that kings side in initial development allowing for a less aggressive push in most games. It basically keeps black off kings side for a while and gives you the chance to get more centered development by not having to worry about kings side attacks in the early game.
Another great video and the sounds are a cool addition. Cheaters will learn one day. Just study and learn like the rest of us. The results are more worth it in the end.
Love the content levy. I don’t really play chess but you’ve got me into this world with the guess the elos and I can’t thank you enough for it! Much love!
@@builderphill1361 I personally like Legal Eagle, but they do have a problem where they explain things in such a simple way that they miss the point and don't get many things right in an attempt to oversimplify the situation.
As someone who plays like three games a year, a very casual beginner, watching the cheater's moves when they had the engine turned off was hilarious. Like, even someone as inexperienced as me, someone who couldn't name a single opening (except now the Vienna, I guess), could tell that the player was utterly incompetent, never looking more than about half a move ahead if that. If even I can tell it's bad play, it must be VERY bad.
I’ve actually been shocked at the number of times I’ve gotten your queen trap line in the Vienna. I’m only hovering around 1000 but I swear I see Qf6 after Qg4 more than half the time. Usually they mess up worse than the actual line leaves them before we get much further but still
As someone viewing from outside of the chess community it seems to me it’s gotten to a point where the people who can most effectively cheat are already good chess players. It also seems like when playing online chess the only ways to recognize are not really enough unless theyre doing it blatantly/poorly or have limited knowledge of chess and it shows. Im sure theres endless amounts of accusations just like the recent ones by magnus that cant be proven. Gives a lot of room for cheaters and also for chessmasters to write off a loss as someone cheating.
If youre already good at chess there is no reason to cheat. If you dont know anything about cheating in chess as a “viewer from outside the chess community”, then there is no reason for your claim
The player who knows absolutely nothing about chess and just goes in cheating is always super easy to figure out. They’ll have a win rate near perfect, win rate won’t vary vs opponent, moves all same length. no obvious opening book because the engine can just calc as it goes. and you just know when the opponent is seemingly playing randomly and you suddenly get crushed with some weird ass tactic you couldn’t have imagined, and then the accuracy score is like 99.99 or something. Some players I suspect of cheating for a few moves here or there but you can’t always tell. These players are generally decent but ask stockfish for help when they get into a confusing situation. Those aren’t the players who take the standard 8s or so for a ridiculously obvious move.
13:41 he moved a pawn to make Sub's bishop retreat at a4, so he could take it by queen with check, if I'm not missing anything (that exactly how I would've done it)
If the cheater used Stockfish for that move, which is most likely, then their thought process was, "I'll play the move the that Stockfish tells me to." Stockfish, in turn, does not use a thought process that relies on the possibility of the opponent screwing up. Stockfish simply does not play hope chess. Even if the cheater played this move on their own, how do we know they actually thought that deeply about the move? It could simply be as shallow as, "I attack bishop," and it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
6:08 And to add onto this, the King is getting involved in an attempt to take down a QUEEN, the literal only piece aside from the other King themself that the King cannot capture by himself. 9:10 That felt like such a genuine reaction and I love it
My thoughts on the sounds: When there are a lot of moves, especially in openings when you kind of rush through, it makes it difficult to focus on what you're saying. The rest of the time it's fine. Conclusion is, personally if you're gonna use sounds, maybe only turn them on after the opening? Is that a hassle? Idk. Great video as always!
I'm not a good player by any means but I can handle blindfold positions, especially openings. Move sounds are great because I often cook or do something else while listening to the moves. These make it slightly easier to follow sometimes. Also the sounds are quite a bit ASMR ngl.
15:25 - I concluded on Qc4 as well. It allows for the involvement of both Bishops. But, like most patzers, I didn't consider what the proper response would be.
Yep. Some people find the sounds distracting when there's a lot, but it isn't a hard fix. Also, having the sounds and reaction stickers adds a lot of personality (not that levy was lacking in that regard lol)!
19:14, alright, but I can't even blame black for this one, I always forget that 'en passant' is a thing. Such a stupid rule. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Imagine an enemy soldier tries to run past you while you're poised to attack. What do you do? Obviously, you tackle the soldier mid-run. You don't just wait for them to pass you by. "Okay, so why is it only for pawns capturing pawns?" Good question. I guess pawns are just really slow runners (which is in character), but also really fast attackers. That's the lore reason, but if you want the historical reason, here it is: In old versions of chess, pawns didn't have a two-square starting move. That was added to speed things up. But then players realized that a pawn could use this new move to completely skip past the threat of capture from an opposing pawn. This messed with the way that pawns interact, which is a huge part of chess. So they made a new rule: if your opponent's pawn tries to run past your pawn, then your pawn can capture their pawn anyway. In a way, the opponent's pawn is being captured "in passing," or "en passant" in French. And with that, the en passant capture was born.
Pawn double move first move wasn't always a rule, so to get a pawn to the centre you had to move twice, En Passent was added after that rule change to rebalance for the lost opportunity to capture
Ngl its very likely I'd play that Qc4 move in a game (3rd game). 1600 rapid and I love not allowing my opponent to castle like that. I pretty much take the chance whenever I can because I'm a very agressive player and castling makes things much harder for me.
I don’t even play chess but this was funny. That last match at the end was hilarious. Even I could tell he didn’t know what he was doing and neither would I 😂
The chess noises being on is fire. A guy like me who literally doesnt know shit about chess and jus watches to see you flex knowledge, it helps me keep track of whats going on lmao
Cheater content is my favorite, because we get all of the amazement and awe of Stockfish / Leela content, while also making fun of bozos who think they're slick.
I'm about 1150 right now, but I only know how to fianchetto. I play super-defensively until the opponent blunders big when I anticipate a few 4-5 move exchanges that win material. I generally end up letting the opponent into the middle two ranks, and when I lose, it is generally because I have less room to move and open properly. I basically play as if I'm trying to let the opponent's pieces freeze to death. Will learning a few better openings and responses to openings better be just a small advantage, or will it be something that gets me to 1300 or more?
something about that super-defensive style sounds pretty cool; like the football equivalent of catenaccio! about the question, i think it is better to study some openings or responses to widen and diversify your playing style. I think that you may be able to learn something from other openings/responses too so maybe try it out!
@8:46 is actually the move I would've played in that exact same situation, without any bot or cheating... Been doing that move for years and it works out for me, in like 80% of the time. Same for the move on @13:27, would be also one that would come to mind, just to put some pressure on my opponent.
Yes but you wouldn't get 96% accuracy games. Not to mention the move in 13:27 is wrong, Levy even says that it's because his engine was on low depth, on higher depth engines don't suggest this move.
To be fair, if I was in the position, I would have done the bishop knight trap in game 2, but and I probably wouldn't have taken the bishop immedicably. Its a good tactic I've used when lossing a game before. Bishop pair for me. Loss at the end.
Was quite confused for a second when you said piece sounds bc my first thought was "what does peace sound like" but wasn't sure if I had heard correctly. A few seconds later I had come to the conclusion that you had actually said pee sounds, but that idea was quickly shot down bc that would make even less sense. Then I heard that wood blocky sound of a piece moving and realized that this is a chess video. Y'know, chess... that game with the PIECES??? Man I'm dumb lol
I think you should do what you like the most about the sound of the pieces mr. Levi, I enjoy your content either way so long as you are happy with it !
I love it when cheaters develop an ego and are like "I'm in a completely winning position, time to finish it on my own", like bruh.
And it's even funnier seeing the flustered subscriber realizing "wait a minute, this guys making crazy mistakes, I still have a chance" lol and then actually burying him in short order
Like, he was going to get banned for cheating anyways, might as well make that guy feel real bad before you go
his beads ran out of battery
That reminds me of the time I was cheating and I was winning but then I moved the wrong piece by accident somehow which blundered my queen and instantly cost me the entire game. :p
@@hearmeout1767 well that sure is a lesson for everyone
i like how you specified its a stockfish cheater, not to be confused with the push up cheater, who is you.
😂😂😂
Waiting for the day someone uses Komodo or Leela to cheat lol
LMAO
Facts
I really thought he was going to talk about an over the board game where a guy slapped his opponent with a cod
Imagine that cheater is a dad who plays well up until he starts letting his kids suggest his moves because he likes them getting interested in chess.
brilliant view
@@sh3lol520 niemann should have used this excuse for cheating
I've done this a BUNCH of times. Another good way to get your kids involved is to alternate moves. I'm sure that would (and has) lead to All SORTS of assumptions by folks. Shrug.
Doesn't explain the consistent move times though
Specifically a Bulgarian father, with black hair and a beard
Your analysis is actually incredible, these cheaters probably don't think they will be exposed if they cheat on and off during a game but I think you nailed the difference between their thought process and a computer's thought process. Good shit!
if you're not at that skill level, don't turn them off because you'll look like a moron and there's going to be a complete change in skill
@@ArtieDuels Cheating like this is very unsportsmanlike.
@@ArtieDuels Chess is fun because it's hard, that's why cheating is pointless, and also unfair for those who put in the work, which takes the fun for both of you.
@@ArtieDuels we get it you stopped doing It
@@ArtieDuels You're the only spaz here, the people posting these replies have the good sense to know that you can never trust a cheater. You are a cheater and are therefore untrustworthy and unlikeable.
Can we just appreciate how well the Gotham sub played? He played some really good moves.
Yeah right why not give him a shout out
he also did a ton of blunders lol
or was he the real cheater all along xd
for a gotham sub, yes
well tbh opening prep below 1500 is kinda cheating ....
I was Gotham sub, Levy just made absolutely amazing content out of something I didn't think was that good. Just a few notes:
3:51 - I played d5 because I really wanted to give that smothered mate, so me kick rook
5:41 - Yes that was hilarious, I actually did not take the pawn on purpose because I wanted to fully focus on checkmate in the fewest moves and I missed that the promotion is check
6:07 - LMAO
9:02 - I know it's bad but I like making that sacrifice because I like the open king, and it catches them off-guard. Breaks the boring board too.
11:41 - It was already obvious he was cheating but here I was like OKAY DUDE for sure, if you want to play perfect Vienna, come get me, I know it all..
15:18 - ..up until this point. Everything was from my knowledge of the studies from the amazing Gotham Vienna course at chessly. So I kinda panicked at that point.
19:17 - Holy hell!
You made me genuinely happy with the video, thank you Levy and xqcL. I'm going back to learn more Vienna/Caro theory
Holy hell!
Holy hell!
Nice
I’m like 200 higher rated than you and I’m very impressed with your opening knowledge dude I know my openings like 3 moves deep I wouldn’t be surprised if you passed me soon
Google en passant 😏
I can officially say everyone thought the piece sounds were already on
Yeahh I thought its always on and clicked i wanted it on on the poll and realised later that they were off😂
@@arushgaur7116 _💀_ Bruh 😂
i didn't, i thought the silence was kind of good for keeping focused when listening to gotham
Yeah I literally don't notice the sounds one way or the other. If you asked me before this video whether Levy has sounds on or off in his videos, I wouldn't be able to tell you even though I'm a regular viewer. Just drifts into the subconscious background.
I like the piece sounds. even, Agadmator has them.
En passant is a brutal move no matter what.
Also creates about 3 forum posts every day about “fake chess moves”
It’s great.
I probably missed alot of en passants
I had one guy yesterday “wtf”
I replied with “en passant, google it”
@@Elearen I've had this conversation so many times at my old chess club to the point where it was written down because many people contested it. We were all young so not a big deal but my brother showed me it at home
I forgot this existed. Very fun
I remember in an online chess game I saw that I could take a pawn using en passant and the other person literally left lmao
As many have already said, the sounds add a comfy layer to the audio. It’s honestly very satisfying and unobtrusive. Great addition
19:54, what if black had played rook to d7?
@@scottwarren4998 White plays King to C3 and defends his rook on D2.
@@Hitman-889 He can't defend the other rook
8:44 every intermediate player immediately attacks the bishop every time
As an intermediate player... false
people between beginner and intermediate do
Beginners attack the bishop, once you get above 1000 they don’t
as a 1200 ish rated I can vouch for this
as 1100 I agree xd
I would like to see a series where someone gets a winning position (+3, + 8, etc.) but has to play the rest of the game against Stockfish. I wonder how much of an advantage different rated players need to beat Stockfish).
Great idea!
I think that it would work better with an aggressive or tactical strong player (like Rosen or Cramling's dad), because when Stockfish plays a lost position, it doesn't consider the fact that the opponent is lower rated. It will give up and let the lower rated opponent convert the advantage (if they can). A tactical grandmaster, instead, will try every possible trick in order to make the opponent make a mistake, thus having a much more interesting game.
@@gaopinghu7332 bro, those are one of the best players in the world - they will just find a winning moves and win those games lol, its just not gonna work against someone IM level
@@yHdra yeah, maybe I overdid it.
chessnetwork had an IM play stockfish 15 but they were up a knight on stream yesterday, they were winning most of the game and then blundered a tactic in time pressure
Gotham sub really needs more praise, he really played very well. He knew his opening very thoroughly and I think he is on his way to becoming 1700 at least
I am 1800 rapid and he cant beat me ,he needs a lot of improve
@@lacanau8881 bro I’m also 1800 and I am 100% certain he could win 1 out of 10 against you
@@wittehaai3847 I’m 2100 & would beat 3 of y’all.
@@zulunjabuliso3935I am 3000 and would beat all four of you
@@zulunjabuliso3935 I'm barely 1000 and I'll take my chances ;)
as a professional 150 8:40 is a perfectly reasonable move
Same. When I saw the position it was the first thing I thought xD
It’s reasonable if it were a puzzle, you get that in 2600+ puzzles 100% but for a 1400 game to get to that position naturally sussy
I’m like 350 and thought this was a pretty normal move, it’s what I wanted to do there 😂
I'm 950 and that was my first thought
Came to the comments to say this. I'm like "I thought my post-game analysis told me to kick the bishop"
The 2nd game is not surprising without the first. The quality difference of the two is just unbelievable
That skill difference and the hilarious difference in game 3 between playing with engine and just absolutely blundering every single piece without it is also spectacular.
Imagine the sore loser you most be that you absolutely demolished a game and then you say "I'll show this guy for winning fair and square 🤓"
seriously... the cheater doesnt even know basic chess and yet he has cheats installed and is trying to play mind games to appear legit. the fuck is he even doing with his life
just in case you didnt know, its "loser" and not "losser", dont try to make me look like a geek, just trying to help out :)
@@bibian_nnn9856 understandable ,have a good day
I just don't understand why they gotta go for stock fish... like... surely a 2k bot would win just as well, but wouldn't ping as perfect moves every single time. It'd look a lot more like someone just played a good game.
Just wild.
@@bogdanchivoiu1701🗿
The sounds add a nice effect. At first, I was afraid they would be too distracting, but you made them the perfect volume.
Let 's be real here, Levy uploaded this video just because he is so proud of his sub playing Vienna.
im a fan of the piece sounds, but a little softer/quieter would be much appreciated. amazing video, i love the playstyle of the subscriber, its very logical and clean
Nat a huge fan, but them being quieter would certainly help
I live how levy makes fun of the cheater but also praises stockfish for the insanely smart moves
Like the Gordon Ramsay meme "You f*cking donkey" and then "Oh dear, oh dear, gorgeous!"
you're stupid :)
Playing chess in low elo reminds me of playing low elo fps games. Its a mixed bag of playing with noobs - gamers - ex professional super nova grandmaster in one skill bracket.
I never know if my next opponent is a returning master or a fresh off the bus meat puppet still learning how to move.
G4 is definitely a natural move for this level of play. Just a bit lower in terms of elo, bishops get trapped exactly like that all the time. You can get to 13/1400s lacking all sorts of knowledge and principles.
Exactly my thought, I would’ve played it as a reflex, forgetting my king was on that side😂
also pawn a7 to attack the bishop is played all the time at lower level. bishop being there is annoying so just get rid of it and maybe get a getaway square if you castle that side
came for the chess stayed for the sounds
these are my favorite chess videos on the internet. Taking down cheaters is both hilarious and satisfying. Super interesting too. Also the piece moves made nice sounds.
8:30 “why would you do that?”
Me a 800 who has played this move *multiple* times: uhhhh… well… 😬😅
Just gonna say, the move g4 at 8:30 I saw all the time when playing around 13-1400. It is very common for lower rated players to push out bishops that way. Usually it's probably not a good move though.
I really like the addition of pieces sounds, and I’d love to see the time control next to their profiles. Great video!
In the second game I actually saw the brilliant move, which I am proud of, but if I did it I would have blundered one move later and somehow lost.
Ngl I watch just about every upload and never even really noticed the sounds weren’t there. Come for the commentary and the recaps, it’s not pivotal to hear the pieces but definitely didn’t mind them. Keep up the awesome vids 🎉
I like the sounds and volume fine. I’ve noticed lately people caught cheating against me have had a mix of wins and losses. It’s not just someone winning every game anymore.
That move at 19:53 made me lol for real, not just a chuckle or a smile, and im probably the worst chess player alive
Just saw you on Wired! Wanted to say you did a really good job there!
same
Most cheaters set up positions in midgame, so you might experience a long thinking time, followed with devastatingly accurate moves in short consistent time.
8:43 "every normal person focases on something else" me who actually sometimes plays like this to bait the enemy 😂
So basically the reason that g4 is a good move in that scenario for the second game is because it forces any attack and pressure off that kings side in initial development allowing for a less aggressive push in most games. It basically keeps black off kings side for a while and gives you the chance to get more centered development by not having to worry about kings side attacks in the early game.
18:56 "Me attack rook"
Stockfish really speaks for itself!
Yep. Stockfish only plays the best moves.
Another great video and the sounds are a cool addition. Cheaters will learn one day. Just study and learn like the rest of us. The results are more worth it in the end.
Love the content levy. I don’t really play chess but you’ve got me into this world with the guess the elos and I can’t thank you enough for it! Much love!
17:38
Her: you can’t speak R2-D2
Gotham:
8:35 I do that when I'm on a losing streak with "screw your pins, damn it" or "not this sht again man" kind of thoughts when doing this.
Ya but if you do it without a plan you just blunder
I love seeing Levy collaborate with other channels like wired, legal eagle,...
Legal eagle sucks
@@joshualove8817 why's that?
@@joshualove8817 you suck
@@builderphill1361 I personally like Legal Eagle, but they do have a problem where they explain things in such a simple way that they miss the point and don't get many things right in an attempt to oversimplify the situation.
@@builderphill1361 because he is a libtard, his content is okay when he's not going all stupid political
As someone who plays like three games a year, a very casual beginner, watching the cheater's moves when they had the engine turned off was hilarious. Like, even someone as inexperienced as me, someone who couldn't name a single opening (except now the Vienna, I guess), could tell that the player was utterly incompetent, never looking more than about half a move ahead if that.
If even I can tell it's bad play, it must be VERY bad.
I’ve actually been shocked at the number of times I’ve gotten your queen trap line in the Vienna. I’m only hovering around 1000 but I swear I see Qf6 after Qg4 more than half the time. Usually they mess up worse than the actual line leaves them before we get much further but still
As someone viewing from outside of the chess community it seems to me it’s gotten to a point where the people who can most effectively cheat are already good chess players. It also seems like when playing online chess the only ways to recognize are not really enough unless theyre doing it blatantly/poorly or have limited knowledge of chess and it shows. Im sure theres endless amounts of accusations just like the recent ones by magnus that cant be proven. Gives a lot of room for cheaters and also for chessmasters to write off a loss as someone cheating.
If youre already good at chess there is no reason to cheat. If you dont know anything about cheating in chess as a “viewer from outside the chess community”, then there is no reason for your claim
@@Mattyizhere thanks for your useless input. No reason to cheat?! Maybe learn about humans before you make your claim…
The player who knows absolutely nothing about chess and just goes in cheating is always super easy to figure out. They’ll have a win rate near perfect, win rate won’t vary vs opponent, moves all same length. no obvious opening book because the engine can just calc as it goes. and you just know when the opponent is seemingly playing randomly and you suddenly get crushed with some weird ass tactic you couldn’t have imagined, and then the accuracy score is like 99.99 or something.
Some players I suspect of cheating for a few moves here or there but you can’t always tell. These players are generally decent but ask stockfish for help when they get into a confusing situation. Those aren’t the players who take the standard 8s or so for a ridiculously obvious move.
13:41 he moved a pawn to make Sub's bishop retreat at a4, so he could take it by queen with check, if I'm not missing anything (that exactly how I would've done it)
If the cheater used Stockfish for that move, which is most likely, then their thought process was, "I'll play the move the that Stockfish tells me to." Stockfish, in turn, does not use a thought process that relies on the possibility of the opponent screwing up. Stockfish simply does not play hope chess.
Even if the cheater played this move on their own, how do we know they actually thought that deeply about the move? It could simply be as shallow as, "I attack bishop," and it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
The chess sounds were good, I wouldn't make them louder than that but I liked it.
New viewer here, went back and watched an older video, and I definitely like hearing the chess piece noises. Very satisfying.
When you start shouting moves in an epic way "KNIGHT TO E6, BRILLIANT MOVE!!!!!!" I just can't help but laugh 🤣
If two cheaters played with the best stockfish its always a draw
13:38 levy never fails to keep the kidnappers away 💀
Its so funny how this guy suddenly became fully trained vienna player in the span of 2 games
Gotham Sub is a very good player, and should be congratulated for his exceptional play!!
Okay, that was the funniest attempt at cheating I've ever seen 🤣🤣
6:08 And to add onto this, the King is getting involved in an attempt to take down a QUEEN, the literal only piece aside from the other King themself that the King cannot capture by himself.
9:10 That felt like such a genuine reaction and I love it
“why is the king getting involved!?” 😂😂❤
My thoughts on the sounds:
When there are a lot of moves, especially in openings when you kind of rush through, it makes it difficult to focus on what you're saying. The rest of the time it's fine. Conclusion is, personally if you're gonna use sounds, maybe only turn them on after the opening? Is that a hassle? Idk. Great video as always!
Agree, no sound is the way to go
Maybe he just called his older brother to play chess for him 🙂
If I was playing, 20:18 would be a stalemate!
“This is a crazy move, who would do this?”
Me, a 400 ELO who thought it was a perfectly reasonable move because it forces the bishop to retreat: 😬
8:30 Gotham: “why would you play that? You’re pushing pawns where you castled.”
Me (700): Me see bishop, me attack bishop.
I'm not a good player by any means but I can handle blindfold positions, especially openings. Move sounds are great because I often cook or do something else while listening to the moves. These make it slightly easier to follow sometimes. Also the sounds are quite a bit ASMR ngl.
Hope you have a great day Levy, the piece sounds are alright ^^
It says everything about the quality of your commentary that you have almost 2 million subs when you havent even had piece sounds till now
15:25 - I concluded on Qc4 as well. It allows for the involvement of both Bishops. But, like most patzers, I didn't consider what the proper response would be.
13:38 “like I’ve seen queen h4 bishop c5 and bishop e7- excuse me can you guys leave?”
New York, NY (AP) Anonymous chess player “Cheater” sues Gotham Chess for $100M over cheating allegations.
😂😂😂
OMG!! I thought that was real! 😅
👋🏼👋🏼
6:08 the reaction nearly made me spit take. Also funny that the first rematch was a huge mistake but the second rematch was entirely worth the wait
13:40 excuse me, can u guys please go away
15:22 he went to queen c4 because he knows c4's are explosive and he can detonate it whenever he wants, instantly winning the game.
These cheaters seem like the type of people to rage quit at rock, paper, scissors...
love the sounds
love these vids exposing cheaters brother!
I agree, the chess piece sounds add another comfy layer to the video's audio. Was a missing element to the formula that is a chess video.
Yep. Some people find the sounds distracting when there's a lot, but it isn't a hard fix. Also, having the sounds and reaction stickers adds a lot of personality (not that levy was lacking in that regard lol)!
19:14, alright, but I can't even blame black for this one, I always forget that 'en passant' is a thing. Such a stupid rule. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Considering how amazingly he was playing before, it kinda seems outta pocket. Still you right. En pessant sucks
Imagine an enemy soldier tries to run past you while you're poised to attack. What do you do? Obviously, you tackle the soldier mid-run. You don't just wait for them to pass you by.
"Okay, so why is it only for pawns capturing pawns?" Good question. I guess pawns are just really slow runners (which is in character), but also really fast attackers.
That's the lore reason, but if you want the historical reason, here it is:
In old versions of chess, pawns didn't have a two-square starting move. That was added to speed things up. But then players realized that a pawn could use this new move to completely skip past the threat of capture from an opposing pawn. This messed with the way that pawns interact, which is a huge part of chess.
So they made a new rule: if your opponent's pawn tries to run past your pawn, then your pawn can capture their pawn anyway. In a way, the opponent's pawn is being captured "in passing," or "en passant" in French. And with that, the en passant capture was born.
Pawn double move first move wasn't always a rule, so to get a pawn to the centre you had to move twice, En Passent was added after that rule change to rebalance for the lost opportunity to capture
Ngl its very likely I'd play that Qc4 move in a game (3rd game). 1600 rapid and I love not allowing my opponent to castle like that. I pretty much take the chance whenever I can because I'm a very agressive player and castling makes things much harder for me.
“Why is the king getting involved…?”
I lost it completely cause I’ve totally never done that before /s
Woah, are we not gonna talk about the pond taking nothing here 19:20
finally a "cheater" video without Hans 👍🏼
I remember chess without Hans. Those were good days.
I don’t even play chess but this was funny. That last match at the end was hilarious. Even I could tell he didn’t know what he was doing and neither would I 😂
The chess noises being on is fire. A guy like me who literally doesnt know shit about chess and jus watches to see you flex knowledge, it helps me keep track of whats going on lmao
Cheater content is my favorite, because we get all of the amazement and awe of Stockfish / Leela content, while also making fun of bozos who think they're slick.
Obviously he bought your Vienna course and watched it at 50x speed while playing. Nothing suspicious to me
Damn bro didn’t know you had a telegram(/sarcasm)
OMG THE REAL GOTH CHESS!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO FEED MY FAMILY TODAY ❤️❤️❤️
I'm about 1150 right now, but I only know how to fianchetto. I play super-defensively until the opponent blunders big when I anticipate a few 4-5 move exchanges that win material. I generally end up letting the opponent into the middle two ranks, and when I lose, it is generally because I have less room to move and open properly. I basically play as if I'm trying to let the opponent's pieces freeze to death.
Will learning a few better openings and responses to openings better be just a small advantage, or will it be something that gets me to 1300 or more?
something about that super-defensive style sounds pretty cool; like the football equivalent of catenaccio!
about the question, i think it is better to study some openings or responses to widen and diversify your playing style. I think that you may be able to learn something from other openings/responses too so maybe try it out!
A good way of cheating will be deliberately choosing not the best moves at random moves
11:00 should unironically be added to the tactics trainer/puzzle rush in my opinion, beautiful sequence
8:48 honestly I’m so bad I would actually do that “crazy move” to pressure the bishop since it would be stuck to 2 squares
@8:46 is actually the move I would've played in that exact same situation, without any bot or cheating... Been doing that move for years and it works out for me, in like 80% of the time.
Same for the move on @13:27, would be also one that would come to mind, just to put some pressure on my opponent.
Yes but you wouldn't get 96% accuracy games. Not to mention the move in 13:27 is wrong, Levy even says that it's because his engine was on low depth, on higher depth engines don't suggest this move.
@@prestigedidiot1295 I'm getting not even close to 75% accuracy games, most of the time.
Had it coming.
@@recitationtohear dude just stop
Gg man
To be fair, if I was in the position, I would have done the bishop knight trap in game 2, but and I probably wouldn't have taken the bishop immedicably. Its a good tactic I've used when lossing a game before. Bishop pair for me. Loss at the end.
Was quite confused for a second when you said piece sounds bc my first thought was "what does peace sound like" but wasn't sure if I had heard correctly. A few seconds later I had come to the conclusion that you had actually said pee sounds, but that idea was quickly shot down bc that would make even less sense. Then I heard that wood blocky sound of a piece moving and realized that this is a chess video. Y'know, chess... that game with the PIECES??? Man I'm dumb lol
The Vienna switcheroo is crazy this is the best line and I never ever face it
well actually i always do that move 13:30, it seemed like a nice move for me i had never missed that opportunity.
I think you should do what you like the most about the sound of the pieces mr. Levi, I enjoy your content either way so long as you are happy with it !
Irigaisi explained the position well compared to another GM who blundered his game in the post-game interviews. lol
Ayyy yo the Gotham sub was me!!🙌🏾
Those games were crazy lmao
5:08 this descent into confused frustration is gold
19:26 - best snort-laugh I've heard in a long time!! :)
I like the sounds, its nice to help keep attention to the moves adhd approved 👌
this was so funny...half game cheat, half game on your own. Please do more videos like this.
8:40
I am very flattered as 600 player to hear that my natural move is brilliant
I may be bad at chess, but least I can take comfort in knowing that I'm not as bad as this guy
8:39 me, a 300 player who would‘ve played this exact move 🤭