I played a cheater a few weeks ago and played like 6 games with him while he was being toxic in chat and playing the top move every time, thoroughly enjoyed getting my 49 points back 15 minutes later
As a sub 1000 ELO player, sometimes I play games where it tells me I have like 2 brilliant moves and I get worried I'm going to get banned for randomly doing the right thing lol
@@stephenallen4635this, sometimes the most obvious and natural moves after a blunder are considered brilliant by the computer because there is no way on earth you’ll miss them.
Justin is a legend 😂 he played mind games with the cheater so He/she would get confident enough to play on their own and got away with a stalemate 😂 what a gigachad move
tbf you can hit like mid-1000s without being well-versed on tactics. problem is you won't move up any more than that since most of your opponents definitely will be
Amazing exposure by Justin, did the only thing that essentially forced the cheater to consider playing their own moves to expose that they weren't on that level.
Maybe a week a go i had the random thought “belle delphine is probably back to getting simps to give her money” and i checked and 2 hours before she had uploaded a video
Some of your early cheater videos from a long time ago are what caused me to stumble across your videos on a youtube trail starting at "times when speedrunners got caught cheating" really glad that it lead me to your channel because even though I don't really play chess, your videos are just great so I can keep up on the chess world from a pure curiosity standpoint. Really appreciate your videos, keep up the great work!
I got accused of cheating in a game where I had three blunders and lots of inaccuracies, but the dude blundered again at the end and said I was cheating and cussed me out! I was like 700ish at the time.
Not really anyone's fault here. Cheating has increased so much in online chess that it's natural that all players suspect one another of cheating when they are playing well. Even top gms are accusing each other of cheating these days.
That last game, I suspect he was 100% missing the checkmates on purpose because he was trying to BM by capturing every piece before mate Which makes it even funnier that he managed to stalemate.
Slightly??? Then what is a huge clickbait for you my friend?? Ok, I mean this one is slightly a clickbait but look at his other stuff haha. Still everytime there is a lot of learnings in Levy's videos. How not to play Chess😂😂
Many years ago, I used to play in Yahoo Chess. The ammount of cheaters was over the roof, and no mechanisms to kick the out was at place. Now I am back to online playing, on Lichess. I hope there are less cheating there.
Some moves are a bit tricky to get, but if you know how to play you can spot when someone skips really obvious moves or a "good" player suddenly starts to undefend pieces and miss obvious blunders out of nowhere
I got accused of cheating last week. My opponent hung their bishop in the opening then said I was cheating because "the time between moves"and "playing in the beginning middle and endgame".
I had someone spam me because he lost his queen through a discovered check, he said i was cheating and reported my account that was the biggest compliment ever one of my best games 😂
The first game, openings are so standard now, like everyone knows openings, almost every single possible move has been made. Not hard to belive someone knows a opening
Judging from the last game ,the cheaters real rating is probably about 300-400. No matter how tunnel visioned you get, queen and rook ladder mate with the rook in front is just impossible to blunder. You can actually premove the sequence without worrying about king moving closer and capturing one of the pieces.
I played somebody earlier who played what looked like really stupid moves for the opening part of the game, then took a full 2 minutes before escaping a check, and now suddenly he's a grandmaster. I resigned rather than waste my time with somebody who was only interested in gaining a few ratings points. They think that they can get away with cheating if they play a few bad moves, but it's so obvious that they're using nextmove or similar. Frustratingly, of the two main sites I use, only one bans cheats, the other just gives them a red X on thier profile and allows them to carry on. It's getting to the stage where it's hardly worth playing at all anymore.
That’s lichess, only thing that happens is just cheaters don’t gain and also u don’t lose if u resign or abort so like what I usually do is just resign till I get someone without a Red Cross
I wouldve loved to see the match data of this one. "brilliant, great, great, good, great, blunder, missed mate, blunder, blunder, blunder, blunder" *stalemate*
I was going through some videos yesterday and noticed there were some folks excusing themselves saying they just want to have fun because they barely have time to learn as they work, and study, etc. Pathetic.
in the range between 1500-1800 about 80% of the games are manipulated if you play via the app. while the desktop version is slightly better to play since you can't have the analysis board opened simultaneously. this site as well as the players are pure cancer to this beautiful game
I always saw that move when I was at my first elo rating. 300 😂 Now that Im 1100 I grin whenever I see it again with a thought to my head "He thinks Im dumb. Now Im gonna punish him."
Levy, please understand that cheating at the lowest levels of chess is even worse. 300-700 elo you will face the most cheaters of your career, and it’s usually obvious, when someone goes from blundering every move to suddenly only playing best moves for the rest of the match
The nice thing about being a beginner - never heard of stockfish and don’t see the point of cheating at 1156 - i tend to play at my level, occasionally playing 1400 - i do ok for a while, but invariably get outplayed
Ive been accused of cheating when i play a 85+ game even though im just a 1100/1300. I also play poorly at time (usually while comuting and tired of work)
It's the 'resign' that's the sealing move that gives away they are cheating. As soon as the eval bar goes a certain distance they resign... it's so consistent they have to be using an engine of some sort.
The chess game doesn't say that you have to read the letters from A to Z, it doesn't have to say that you have to move this piece because it's a proper way and it's a professional. The point is how you win the game, to lose some pieces or to gain some is not the key.
Ive gotten called a cheater despite my abysmal elo because i really dont know how to play well and just shotgun out moves that sometimes are really good but i dont realize
I don't know, maybe it's since I'm not too much into it, but I use a Random Number Generator. Every time the number lands between 20 and 40, I use stockfish to help me that game. I only hover around 1100-1000
This cheater is hilarious that even noob finds a mate but a cheater didn't find it because they try to play on their own. And, this is why cheaters are very funny people indeed.
I’ve been accused of cheating 3 or 4 times online. I always took it as a massive compliment. Then I would look at the analysis, and the computer would basically say “not only are you not cheating, but you’re also not really playing well. Idiot”. I added the “idiot” part, but only cuz I know that was what the engine was thinking.
there is so many cheaters out there, its unbelievable. the thing is tho, a good cheater does not use all the engine moves but understands the idea behind some moves the engine is telling him. that makes it nearly impossible to be detected. i played against so many cheaters on lichess. people that lose against 500 and suddenly win against me (1600) with some moves that look so un-human. but yeah, its mostly 2nd or 3rd engine move.
What cheating does to those people is only feed their ego. Their online ELO really goes up fast, but then their IRL skills on chess goes the opposite direction. lol
They could be, although there is a lot of risk for people who play chess professionally so I wouldn’t assume it is that many in the top 100 specifically. Below professional player level though, it’s basically risk free.
cheaters like the one discussed in the video are one of the only forms of entertainment in chess for people like me who are skill issues and lost motivation to play chess in general
I am 1700 in rapid and sometimes I just wake up with my brain totally turned off and knowing it's not my day I still play a few games and get my ass kicked like that guy in the video, sometimes even throw away my queen, my rooks totally for free (yes, 1700). I lose 10-15 games in row before I stop it angry at myself right there and leave it for another day. Then I win everything back eventually.
If I had a nickel for everytime Levy uploaded a video while playing a tournament and then ended up losing that match, I'd have 2 nickels (for today and the last IMSCC). Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I was accused of cheating (sandbagging) once. Because I played too "fast" in rapid. Well shoot me for liking blitz. Had a accuracy of less than 70%, so that answered that question.
"Normally, I don't make fun of people." Haha. Good joke Levy
fishing for that pin, huh?
💀💀💀
Subs and people are not the same
'Normally'
@@Doddster1983fishing for an argument, huh?
I played a cheater a few weeks ago and played like 6 games with him while he was being toxic in chat and playing the top move every time, thoroughly enjoyed getting my 49 points back 15 minutes later
Bro why you lost your time playing 6 games against a cheater
@@dorinbadulet5677to get him banned? Obviously
@dorinbadulet5677 My apologies for wasting 30 minutes of my life for some sweet sweet elo compensation
@@dorinbadulet5677It can be fun to see a cheater being toxic. Feels good
report him if he's toxic lol.
Cheater: yes im winning all of my games. No one can catch me!.
Levy: You cant escape
As a sub 1000 ELO player, sometimes I play games where it tells me I have like 2 brilliant moves and I get worried I'm going to get banned for randomly doing the right thing lol
Literally me
There's a lot more to cheating than playing good moves consistently
with lower elos the opponents are more likely to make mistakes that lead to a brilliant move played against them so it actually makes sense
@@stephenallen4635this, sometimes the most obvious and natural moves after a blunder are considered brilliant by the computer because there is no way on earth you’ll miss them.
Bro probably reported himself after that stalemate
Lmfaooo
I would too
Justin is a legend 😂 he played mind games with the cheater so He/she would get confident enough to play on their own and got away with a stalemate 😂 what a gigachad move
Justin was playing 4d chess
he dealt some psychic damage to the black king.
Not everyone can brag about getting a draw from a lost position against Stockfish 😂
Cheater should’ve kept cheating 😂
He/She or maybe even It, considering the dude just threw the game
You forgot to say: "Get out of here."
Spoilers? Tf
Nooo 😭 he lost his streak
@@ilyasouuuhe already lost it in his "my AI clone attacked me" video
Levi always makes the funniest faces at the end of these cheating videos. Lol. Lol.
He accidentally edited it out, but actually it's "get outa here"
as someone who is 900+ i steer away from the opening thory as early as 2 moves. I just wing it
im like 860 and i know just theory of my 2 openings but i suck anywhere else xD wanna play a game?
winging it is the fun part
as someone who is 1600+, my approach is the same and it has been working out for me for now
I can get the first 4 moves of the Ruy Lopez and then it's a free for all
i play like first moves of vienna gambit, and if they pull any random moves i just peace out from theory
the cheater is missing some rather obvious tactics. he's probably mid-low triple digits without cheats
tbf you can hit like mid-1000s without being well-versed on tactics. problem is you won't move up any more than that since most of your opponents definitely will be
@@crypti1cwrong, low elo is dependent on tactics
Yeah. I'm around 900, and I saw all the mates that he missed in the end. This is ridiculous.
700-ish.
Yeah someone who can't do a ladder mate has to be like 200 or 300, even players above 500s know how to do a ladder mate
Amazing exposure by Justin, did the only thing that essentially forced the cheater to consider playing their own moves to expose that they weren't on that level.
Lmao , the fact that I opened yt thinking 'levy would've uploaded a new video by now' and I see a new video uploaded 13 seconds ago. it's hilarious.
Also he's playing with Hikaru duos live
the same shit :)
Maybe a week a go i had the random thought “belle delphine is probably back to getting simps to give her money” and i checked and 2 hours before she had uploaded a video
Yeah actually same here
Anti-cheat : "After that stalemate I no longer find you funny" 😂
I never thought an accidental stalemate could be so satisfying
Some of your early cheater videos from a long time ago are what caused me to stumble across your videos on a youtube trail starting at "times when speedrunners got caught cheating" really glad that it lead me to your channel because even though I don't really play chess, your videos are just great so I can keep up on the chess world from a pure curiosity standpoint. Really appreciate your videos, keep up the great work!
I got accused of cheating in a game where I had three blunders and lots of inaccuracies, but the dude blundered again at the end and said I was cheating and cussed me out! I was like 700ish at the time.
lol You should have said I didn't cheat, you just suck worse than I do... :)
"Whoever makes the last mistake loses."
Had that once. Good times.
I had a similar one. Somehow despite my 2 blunders, several bad moves, my one brilliant move convinced my opponent I cheated
Not really anyone's fault here. Cheating has increased so much in online chess that it's natural that all players suspect one another of cheating when they are playing well. Even top gms are accusing each other of cheating these days.
16:00 if you just called the hambleton defense bad you have no idea of what youre dealing with boy
it's mad trash lmao
That last game, I suspect he was 100% missing the checkmates on purpose because he was trying to BM by capturing every piece before mate
Which makes it even funnier that he managed to stalemate.
What’s BM
@@androverse5786 Bad manners
Exactly
His play at the end was pretty consistent with his low elo performance in the other games
Rare moment of Levy slightly clickbating us:
Only slightly?!? Wow he's changed 😅
The guy in the thumbnail could walk out. There's no bars. Think about that
Slightly??? Then what is a huge clickbait for you my friend?? Ok, I mean this one is slightly a clickbait but look at his other stuff haha. Still everytime there is a lot of learnings in Levy's videos. How not to play Chess😂😂
Many years ago, I used to play in Yahoo Chess. The ammount of cheaters was over the roof, and no mechanisms to kick the out was at place. Now I am back to online playing, on Lichess. I hope there are less cheating there.
I accidently paused at the start and got an extra long Gotham Stare
Snatching a Draw from the jaws of victory. Beautiful.
Cheater was like "Oh shit he caught on to me, better stop using the bot" as if that´s gonna save him from a ban
Boy, I will never know if somebody is cheating. I see it here because of GC's commentary, but i don't think I would pick up on this stuff on my own
Some moves are a bit tricky to get, but if you know how to play you can spot when someone skips really obvious moves or a "good" player suddenly starts to undefend pieces and miss obvious blunders out of nowhere
Imagine cheating and can't even win a game that must be devastating
Actually winning or losing by cheating doesn't give any feeling for cheaters.
I got accused of cheating last week. My opponent hung their bishop in the opening then said I was cheating because "the time between moves"and "playing in the beginning middle and endgame".
Sometimes they forget you can think while they think on their turns lol
I had someone spam me because he lost his queen through a discovered check, he said i was cheating and reported my account that was the biggest compliment ever one of my best games 😂
Well, did you play the beginning, middle, and endgame? Sound sus.
You forgot to say you got 72% accuracy that game
Same thing happened to me yesterday. My opponent accused me of cheating and resigned immediately after.
"I got the best bishop on the board" made me laugh
scrolled into the comment section looking for this lmao
Best bishop. Tremendous bishop. It's true -- everybody says so.
That voice he putted for that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The first game, openings are so standard now, like everyone knows openings, almost every single possible move has been made. Not hard to belive someone knows a opening
Judging from the last game ,the cheaters real rating is probably about 300-400. No matter how tunnel visioned you get, queen and rook ladder mate with the rook in front is just impossible to blunder. You can actually premove the sequence without worrying about king moving closer and capturing one of the pieces.
Not many people know the small detail, but Vladimir Kramlich was instrumental at catching this cheater
Anyone could have caught him, honestly.
I played somebody earlier who played what looked like really stupid moves for the opening part of the game, then took a full 2 minutes before escaping a check, and now suddenly he's a grandmaster. I resigned rather than waste my time with somebody who was only interested in gaining a few ratings points. They think that they can get away with cheating if they play a few bad moves, but it's so obvious that they're using nextmove or similar. Frustratingly, of the two main sites I use, only one bans cheats, the other just gives them a red X on thier profile and allows them to carry on. It's getting to the stage where it's hardly worth playing at all anymore.
Just don't play on a site that doesn't ban cheaters.
I don't, but they're so slow to take action that half the time they get away with it@@holyknightthatpwns
That’s lichess, only thing that happens is just cheaters don’t gain and also u don’t lose if u resign or abort so like what I usually do is just resign till I get someone without a Red Cross
23:05 I’ve got the best bishop on the board🇬🇧😭😭
Playing the opening (and possibly some of the midgame) and then seeing if the computer can salvage it is actually pretty interesting as an exercise...
This last game is for all books.Epic.For cheating there should be punishment 25 years in jail.Cheaters are not human beings.
I wouldve loved to see the match data of this one. "brilliant, great, great, good, great, blunder, missed mate, blunder, blunder, blunder, blunder" *stalemate*
I was going through some videos yesterday and noticed there were some folks excusing themselves saying they just want to have fun because they barely have time to learn as they work, and study, etc.
Pathetic.
Dudes favorite opening is the Blunderbuss Gambit.
"Laid men and gentle tease" -Gotham chess (Levy approved message)
That had to have been the most satisfying stalemate of Justin's chess career.
in the range between 1500-1800 about 80% of the games are manipulated if you play via the app. while the desktop version is slightly better to play since you can't have the analysis board opened simultaneously. this site as well as the players are pure cancer to this beautiful game
Would love to see more videos like this Levy, it's super entertaining 😄
What worries me is decent players who use cheats to save them from a bad position then play normal again.
Don’t tell me that ‘Queen Pwnzalot’ is up to her shenanigans again…?
The idea of using a bot for the opening and then saying "all right, let's do one move of my own" and immediately losing the queen is hilarious
Cheater gets a L
*an
*an
maybe they pronounced it as "a l" not as "an al🙄
i can just imagine the laughter that justin was able to lay on his opponent.
I've been accused of cheating few times, it's because these cheaters have ruined the meaning of chess
16:40 that queen move i see often at 600 elo chess.
Don't give the guy too much credit. He may not even be 600
I always saw that move when I was at my first elo rating. 300 😂 Now that Im 1100 I grin whenever I see it again with a thought to my head "He thinks Im dumb. Now Im gonna punish him."
Levy, please understand that cheating at the lowest levels of chess is even worse.
300-700 elo you will face the most cheaters of your career, and it’s usually obvious, when someone goes from blundering every move to suddenly only playing best moves for the rest of the match
I've been accused of cheating in endgames a few times... sometimes in the late game the best moves are easy to find.
The nice thing about being a beginner - never heard of stockfish and don’t see the point of cheating at 1156 - i tend to play at my level, occasionally playing 1400 - i do ok for a while, but invariably get outplayed
Ive been accused of cheating when i play a 85+ game even though im just a 1100/1300. I also play poorly at time (usually while comuting and tired of work)
The 1st cheater had to be like “ooh free pawn, I don’t even need cheats to see this!”
How do you cheat in chess? It’s chess!
1:52 that’s the biggest lie in te whole video
It's the 'resign' that's the sealing move that gives away they are cheating. As soon as the eval bar goes a certain distance they resign... it's so consistent they have to be using an engine of some sort.
Where's my "Get out of here"? I feel cheated.
The chess game doesn't say that you have to read the letters from A to Z, it doesn't have to say that you have to move this piece because it's a proper way and it's a professional. The point is how you win the game, to lose some pieces or to gain some is not the key.
Ive gotten called a cheater despite my abysmal elo because i really dont know how to play well and just shotgun out moves that sometimes are really good but i dont realize
Hahaha wow the cheater didn't know how to ladder-mate? That's literally the first checkmate pattern I've ever learned when I was 6
Ladder
I don't know, maybe it's since I'm not too much into it, but I use a Random Number Generator. Every time the number lands between 20 and 40, I use stockfish to help me that game. I only hover around 1100-1000
I have reiceived maybe 3-4 notification for returning points due to opponent cheating, but I have never checked which specific game it was)
When cheater was making its own moves💀😂
All the way through I thought "Levy is being a bit harsh on this guy, this could've jus been me on a weird day" then I saw that ending. Holy moly.
The best thing in chess is winning against a cheater or losing to a cheater and get you’re elo back
in the last game it was just 'goldfish' vs 'stockfish'
If games were still over the board it would take us back to before online games ushered-in a great way to cheat, no arbiters
sick of cheaters.
Thanks for another good video. Not as educational as others, but it's nice to see them get caught.
Watching you dunk on the cheaters is hilarous
I could swear this thumbnail is reused from another
Right? I felt like I had seen it before too
kinda similar thumbnail is on hilarious stockfish cheater gets exposed
Yes as always
at 13:40 I would've made the same move just because it puts the opponent in check and then found the sequence later (1000 elo player)
This cheater is hilarious that even noob finds a mate but a cheater didn't find it because they try to play on their own. And, this is why cheaters are very funny people indeed.
I’ve been accused of cheating 3 or 4 times online. I always took it as a massive compliment. Then I would look at the analysis, and the computer would basically say “not only are you not cheating, but you’re also not really playing well. Idiot”. I added the “idiot” part, but only cuz I know that was what the engine was thinking.
there is so many cheaters out there, its unbelievable. the thing is tho, a good cheater does not use all the engine moves but understands the idea behind some moves the engine is telling him. that makes it nearly impossible to be detected. i played against so many cheaters on lichess. people that lose against 500 and suddenly win against me (1600) with some moves that look so un-human. but yeah, its mostly 2nd or 3rd engine move.
As an elo 400 player, I’m often worried I’ll get banned for cheating if I manage to lose a game with my queen and a couple pawns still on the board.
I love when people stalemate themselves. It's the stamp of arrogance and stupidity on what could've otherwise been a solid win. Congrats.
i stalemate myself but idk if it’s arrogance i’m just stupid 😭
15:25 “How many of you have been accused of cheating?”
Luckily I’ve never been accused of cheating because I usually lose 🙃
Levy never fails to make fun of cheater.
I would love to see the confusion on the cheaters' face after the stalemate message popped up. I'm going to guess dude has no clue why it happens.
What cheating does to those people is only feed their ego. Their online ELO really goes up fast, but then their IRL skills on chess goes the opposite direction. lol
Rarest moment ever, Levy finally learned how not to add Magnus!
It was so bad he didn't say get out of here😢
It's crazy to think about how many people in top 100 could be cheating
They could be, although there is a lot of risk for people who play chess professionally so I wouldn’t assume it is that many in the top 100 specifically. Below professional player level though, it’s basically risk free.
Look at the Tour de France back...decade or so ago. It's hilarious (or really sad) how many there were.
As a fellow top 100 rated ( my elo is 100, so im actually 100th best player in the world) i agree with you
cheaters like the one discussed in the video are one of the only forms of entertainment in chess for people like me who are skill issues and lost motivation to play chess in general
Hey! Don't let that stop you. You can still have fun even if you don't win every time. And if you want to get better there are tons of free videos.
Almost looks like a player allowing his low-rated child to occasionally make a move
i played a cheater & i rlly want to email thw game but i dont know how
23:37 😂😂😂😂😂the Chad Justin🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
08:32 how is he cheating? Thats just a basic tactic of pinning the pawn under the rook and unable to capture the bishop.
Levy never fails to upload a video while playing in the Team Chess Battle
"Justin is getting machined" 😂
I can definitely say i have never been spiritually challenged by a game of chess 😅
That look at the end, lol... That ending game was really funny.
he didn't even have it left in him after that to say "get outta here"
I was confused as to how one would even cheat in chess now I know
I know the basics but never played in years and even i had a laugh.
He really needed those hax 😅
I am 1700 in rapid and sometimes I just wake up with my brain totally turned off and knowing it's not my day I still play a few games and get my ass kicked like that guy in the video, sometimes even throw away my queen, my rooks totally for free (yes, 1700). I lose 10-15 games in row before I stop it angry at myself right there and leave it for another day. Then I win everything back eventually.
happens to me too :D but i am a 1300 noob
Levy is a type of guy to upload his video while playing with Hikaru
If I had a nickel for everytime Levy uploaded a video while playing a tournament and then ended up losing that match, I'd have 2 nickels (for today and the last IMSCC). Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
man, this final game is... something, and your face in the end says it all :)
Lmao he called the rook a "bishop" with so much confidence 🤣 😂 14:23
ummm... he called a bishop a "bishop"
black king took the bishop not the rook
I was accused of cheating (sandbagging) once. Because I played too "fast" in rapid. Well shoot me for liking blitz. Had a accuracy of less than 70%, so that answered that question.
I almost accused a chess com staff of cheating once
Levi rest of the year : go for checks ,threats, capture
Levi on cheating video : he gave a check sequence before capture so he must be cheating.