This turned out very good, to my surprise. Thumbs up! Incidentally, I have a 1995 Bad Boy Springer softail in new condition. I'm always very careful not to drift too far away from its original look/design. (has the same 21" spoke tubeless wheel as what you installed here)
Thanks. I worried a little about the look, I'm not a fan of the very large front wheels and didn't want this to have that exaggerated look. I lucked out.
@@Mikeityourself Agreed. I always thought the big fat front tire looked ridiculous but I guess that was part of the theme behind calling them a Fatboy or Fatbob. You definitely made a big improvement with the 21 although they do have the disadvantage of taking bumps and holes more rough with less "cushion" than the fat tires. Be well!
Came across this post and thought some folks might find my experience of some small value. I have a 2007 Fatboy; changed the front to 170/20-21. The rear is a 200/55R-17. I also lowered the rear about 1" The result looks great. The ride is another issue. The changes have impacted the caster angle such that the bike wants to cruise straight ahead. At speed turns are fine, but at slow speeds the front wheel wants to "fall in". U-turns in residential streets used to be a non-issue now take some concentration or you will duck walk like a nubie. Overall the appearance was worth the minor change in handling but the bike can be a handfull at very low speed.
I am surprised at those impacts. Especially the "fall in" part. Wonder if any other mods were done like ape hangers since it seems to be at slow speed. I notice a difference between standard bars and Ape's definitely not the same type of steering.
@@Mikeityourself I suspect lowering the rear 1" also had an impact on the caster angle. Still have the stock bars on it though. Lowering the rear made getting the bike on my motorcycle jack a pain as well.
Is the rear an 18 "x 3.5 "bro ? So I can go ahead and order the right sized rear white wall tire? As we can wait up to 3 months for shipping on this part of the World. Cheers from down under NZ.
Sorry for the late reply. Spokes arent bad if you dont let it slide, once they are clean and you regularly wash, no issues but let them sit for awhile and get any rust, your stuck using strips of cloth to polish each one. A few hours, a 6'er of beer and some tunes.
Thanks for watching. No better feeling than looking at your own ride and thinking, hell yeah thats bad ass. Hope yours comes out ten times better than your expectations. See ya in the wind.
Hey Mike... I'm trying to find a wheel like that on the market but I can't find it.. All in backorder... Do you know where to find it? By the way... Your bike became amazing with this set...
Thanks for the feedback. This video is a little dated but since then I did notice a few changes in the market mostly related to supply chain issues. The wheel I bought went up like 200 bucks for a short period of time but seems to have come down a bit. These are the folks I bought mine threw, its not immediate shipping because they appear to not make them until time of order so expect a few weeks before delivery. www.ebay.com/str/kcinternationalwholesalestore Hard to find anyone with them on the shelf unfortunately.
If you have the stock speedo and provided the seller with your bikes details the wheel should work. Would call DNA and tell them what's wrong, maybe some kind of adapter or wrong part got sent.
@@Mikeityourself I own a 2010 Fat Boy FLSTF do you think I can do same setup? And if so, would you kind enough to send me a link for the rim and tire sir? Thanks in advance
you should be able to, ive seen plenty out there on the streets. Your rim will be different then my old 95 but same concept. I used the 60 spoke wheel from DNA. Here is the vendor i bought through - beware it takes a few weeks to get your wheel. www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ssn=kcint&store_name=kcinternationalwholesalestore&_oac=1&_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l161211 The tire I used might be the same size so here is what i went with. www.ebay.com/itm/284707842200?itmmeta=01J22AZ7QKY5EQ000K1VGQ8K9N&hash=item4249e8e898:g:0aoAAOSwpRRWm20L&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAABcCNx09LHQ8X2Je1DcjY3Yw9%2BOuIiktL7bWetztHs%2B%2B1OzjbPqTMz4AcxhXY1mIbMNMun9dvX1ODh2qHqDvDV%2Fbdx2xhD88bXMMDecBJByrDf6bSasDk2FnWRPvUpLILlur%2BRaX%2F7%2B2Vm10Tr17O8HhFCqGqQ3UlogATwIIsvLs1MxYv0A%2FyaFJOBHjwLrXhbGPhCWszosY03jqL0NQpOhQ6ks5ir8GnQpCx6pQaIHLxL4fWp3owh3SYqucpoRnz2FxQX38nGjZYHpgoCqcl7Zw%2FUm%2Bd3IOxsL3GEZu2OyKCjvys1%2FqFJRr6dVHmdlQO443iW63fdx1I4Gd6MscMzPs4iPn9BuI293k11SGVhPYuuAja0qTkf0%2BY9Z5HLAx0cnUn1qmVi0M1%2FrdRGAdB6OsZ2xlOPWc4PENW2%2FzSx%2Fo0a3NT41gGozRdZLtvyLkuRCUuLxp1%2FCDh%2FOrur%2FxrufhxOddpqhOsz5asCUpW%2BN%2B7O%7Ctkp%3ABFBM9Pv8ypBk Risers www.ebay.com/itm/374251340524?itmmeta=01J22B1DMYM0T3B7TJQ3M70DCY&hash=item57231e42ec:g:oT8AAOSwzrtiuny3&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8Oq9IH9upRnGj%2BdOQO7RCSj%2BPf%2FNYHQUhnMYB%2BEVdPhVDXMbEzCeNM0cePCuYt%2FAciWpMWIExy3yEHjJvGIpy2BevpfMkHQ2%2BvLZlk9zyk8dTRB6xHdgHDX%2BBxhKptGGx%2F2DJ5sh97JtKyxpeTHppLcVVLGiqX60SsbPLuANPhxFAIP9Y1vBK4UzAmF%2FrPozrcHUAkv68qQxwugaNkDY2ijDVRCzmQiE5Oou6VwBftYcM7JQ913K18T%2FyqMzsa%2Fatn7DgMs60cJv1Ebd6%2F3fENbaariGT7BZp6a7OKyog6%2B%2FeZGUEaNGcQxt%2FfKIjS8%2BsA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR87ahcuQZA
Hi Mitchell, here is the ebay link i bought from. Its takes a few weeks to get the wheel, seems like they are built at time of order and not pulled off the shelf. www.ebay.com/str/kcinternationalwholesalestore
No, if I remember correctly. The seller sent me new spacers for my bike. I had to specify Make, Year and model when I bought the wheel. Thanks for watching.
Of course and thank you. www.ebay.com/str/kcinternationalwholesalestore?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=uK_LKOVrRzi&sssrc=3418065&ssuid=e3wdI4CkTFy&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Thank you. Got them on ebay, appreciate the support. Here is a link to the type i bought (original seller not listed anymore). www.ebay.com/itm/304454382285?fits=Make%3AHarley-Davidson&hash=item46e2e532cd:g:ePEAAOSwLTZf3XJA&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4MFHs%2FWKd0a5N5ueZWJH7O2aNJa%2Fryv9pKDMAxw%2FVzSZoFjjJ0GZuP%2Fs%2BiK%2BjIuZCSncNYxLXnLdU0OuG%2F4AY9vraYiPAyxY61Axz%2BycEQnMT6UeXrIvTIaeG%2B%2BXKNzJ2cOitNsO64KpgJDJMiHzESKYRzMXr%2B1WRc2%2BvSJtpUuv6FxNwPDG0zASvjiNdptM6moxR6aKXxN0Tj6Ca2wJcWVcgOrwQWzMNu4W8PBb8ekm2ItxwvwbRdqbZ19vU7%2Fefy0uCMsCkbwP%2FP9oK%2BtVJaZrW238dOOPaZQ6y7%2Fv0gAB%7Ctkp%3ABFBMgojAnpdh
The main headlight is an HD Willy G that the bike had on it when i bought it. The others were just some generics i picked up off ebay. Thanks for the support.
Beautiful bike! What sized tire did you go with 120/70 (I may have missed you saying it in the vid) and have you noticed a difference in the handling or ride? I was thinking maybe a 19" on the front of mine but after seeing the 21" on your bike I'm thinking that it is the ticket.
yep, 120/70 is what I got. I dont feel any difference in the ride. The one thing I did notice was on my first ride out, I was on the freeway and felt like I was struggling a little (just lots of wind) to hit 80 MPH and then realized that my speedo was off because of the bigger wheel. It reads about 5 MPH Lower than actual speed.
Here you go, bought from eBay. www.ebay.com/itm/293967827124 They also have their own website. It takes a couple of weeks before you get your wheel, they apparently don't make them until you order and these folks are just a middleman for DNA (located in California). The price has tripled since I bought mine, id either hold or shop around. Its the DNA 21X3.5" 60 SPOKE DNA FRONT WHEEL 1984-99 FOR HARLEY HERITAGE FATBOY
Rear is stock 16" x ~4" and the front is 21 x 3.5. No problems with the front swap. Had to get risers for the fender and when you buy your wheel, you need to let them know which bike so they send you the correct spacer. Other than that its plug and play.
Thanks. Yep, stock front and stayed with 16" in the back. Not sure if i will leave it or move up to an 18". I dont mind the looks so its money I can put into another upgrade.
You wouldn’t happen to know the wheel bearing size for this wheel would you? I ordered the same wheel but the seller fucked me and sent the wheel with the wrong bearings
I didn't notice any difference in the ride. But i did quickly figure out that it impacted my speedo reading. Was cruzin at 75 MPH and was getting beat pretty good by the wind when i realized the larger wheel doesn't have to spin as fast so i was definitely going much faster. Got a tank mount pouch for my phone to use GPS and see how much of a deviation i've got.
Honestly I don't feel any difference in the ride. The one thing that took a minute to realize while riding was my speedo was off by about 5 MPH, cruising at 75MPH seemed to be sending more wind than normal in my direction and then I realized it was actually 80 MPH due to the larger front diameter. But other than that it feels stock to me.
old wheel and tyre is better looking, you now have a smaller whitewall than on the back, the new wheel has lower profile tyre to oso expect to feel the bumps a lot more... steering geometry will be a touch different too... both nice but the older chunkier look apeals more to me...
Thanks for the feedback Phill. I did feel a slight difference in the ride, a lil more of the ground if that makes sense, like a car with racing tires. Outside of that it felt pretty normal. Appreciate the support.
Out-freaking-standing!
21”front is my fav also! Safe riding!
Thank you, same to you. Good times.
This turned out very good, to my surprise. Thumbs up!
Incidentally, I have a 1995 Bad Boy Springer softail in new condition. I'm always very careful not to drift too far away from its original look/design. (has the same 21" spoke tubeless wheel as what you installed here)
Thanks. I worried a little about the look, I'm not a fan of the very large front wheels and didn't want this to have that exaggerated look. I lucked out.
@@Mikeityourself Agreed. I always thought the big fat front tire looked ridiculous but I guess that was part of the theme behind calling them a Fatboy or Fatbob.
You definitely made a big improvement with the 21 although they do have the disadvantage of taking bumps and holes more rough with less "cushion" than the fat tires. Be well!
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Came across this post and thought some folks might find my experience of some small value. I have a 2007 Fatboy; changed the front to 170/20-21. The rear is a 200/55R-17. I also lowered the rear about 1" The result looks great. The ride is another issue. The changes have impacted the caster angle such that the bike wants to cruise straight ahead. At speed turns are fine, but at slow speeds the front wheel wants to "fall in". U-turns in residential streets used to be a non-issue now take some concentration or you will duck walk like a nubie. Overall the appearance was worth the minor change in handling but the bike can be a handfull at very low speed.
I am surprised at those impacts. Especially the "fall in" part. Wonder if any other mods were done like ape hangers since it seems to be at slow speed. I notice a difference between standard bars and Ape's definitely not the same type of steering.
@@Mikeityourself I suspect lowering the rear 1" also had an impact on the caster angle. Still have the stock bars on it though.
Lowering the rear made getting the bike on my motorcycle jack a pain as well.
Is the rear an 18 "x 3.5 "bro ? So I can go ahead and order the right sized rear white wall tire? As we can wait up to 3 months for shipping on this part of the World. Cheers from down under NZ.
Great man! Looks amazing!
Thank you and Thanks for watching.
i would recommend that you blue Loctite the rotor screws, other than that looks nice.
Thanks for the suggestion, I def should have. Easy enough to fix though.
Bike looks amazing.
Thanks Bubba, much appreciated
@@Mikeityourself is there a lot of upkeep with the spoke wheels
Sorry for the late reply. Spokes arent bad if you dont let it slide, once they are clean and you regularly wash, no issues but let them sit for awhile and get any rust, your stuck using strips of cloth to polish each one. A few hours, a 6'er of beer and some tunes.
Looks badass! Want so this to mine now!
Thanks for watching. No better feeling than looking at your own ride and thinking, hell yeah thats bad ass. Hope yours comes out ten times better than your expectations. See ya in the wind.
Looks so much better I dig you taste
I have 1993 softail heritage classic will that same wheel fit mine.
Not sure if it's the same, when you buy the wheel through the eBay guys I go through, you supply them year make and model.
Wonder if this will work on my 96 Fatboy
Hey Mike... I'm trying to find a wheel like that on the market but I can't find it.. All in backorder... Do you know where to find it? By the way... Your bike became amazing with this set...
Thanks for the feedback. This video is a little dated but since then I did notice a few changes in the market mostly related to supply chain issues. The wheel I bought went up like 200 bucks for a short period of time but seems to have come down a bit.
These are the folks I bought mine threw, its not immediate shipping because they appear to not make them until time of order so expect a few weeks before delivery.
www.ebay.com/str/kcinternationalwholesalestore
Hard to find anyone with them on the shelf unfortunately.
Looks really good bud ❤
Thanks for the support and watching. Got more great things coming in the future.
Good I’ll be on the lookout
Stock front fender?
Yep, stock fender. I was thinking of going with the heritage fender to get a bit more of that old school look. Thanks for watching.
DNA send me a wheel but the speedo dont match up with rim. Is the bearing style timken..
If you have the stock speedo and provided the seller with your bikes details the wheel should work. Would call DNA and tell them what's wrong, maybe some kind of adapter or wrong part got sent.
Do you like the handling better?
Hey Dennis, honestly, I didnt notice much of a difference in handling, felt about the same.
Did you had to replace original fender?
No sir but I did add fender risers to it. I dont there is enough clearance without them.
@@Mikeityourself I own a 2010 Fat Boy FLSTF do you think I can do same setup? And if so, would you kind enough to send me a link for the rim and tire sir? Thanks in advance
you should be able to, ive seen plenty out there on the streets. Your rim will be different then my old 95 but same concept. I used the 60 spoke wheel from DNA. Here is the vendor i bought through - beware it takes a few weeks to get your wheel.
www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ssn=kcint&store_name=kcinternationalwholesalestore&_oac=1&_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l161211
The tire I used might be the same size so here is what i went with.
www.ebay.com/itm/284707842200?itmmeta=01J22AZ7QKY5EQ000K1VGQ8K9N&hash=item4249e8e898:g:0aoAAOSwpRRWm20L&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAABcCNx09LHQ8X2Je1DcjY3Yw9%2BOuIiktL7bWetztHs%2B%2B1OzjbPqTMz4AcxhXY1mIbMNMun9dvX1ODh2qHqDvDV%2Fbdx2xhD88bXMMDecBJByrDf6bSasDk2FnWRPvUpLILlur%2BRaX%2F7%2B2Vm10Tr17O8HhFCqGqQ3UlogATwIIsvLs1MxYv0A%2FyaFJOBHjwLrXhbGPhCWszosY03jqL0NQpOhQ6ks5ir8GnQpCx6pQaIHLxL4fWp3owh3SYqucpoRnz2FxQX38nGjZYHpgoCqcl7Zw%2FUm%2Bd3IOxsL3GEZu2OyKCjvys1%2FqFJRr6dVHmdlQO443iW63fdx1I4Gd6MscMzPs4iPn9BuI293k11SGVhPYuuAja0qTkf0%2BY9Z5HLAx0cnUn1qmVi0M1%2FrdRGAdB6OsZ2xlOPWc4PENW2%2FzSx%2Fo0a3NT41gGozRdZLtvyLkuRCUuLxp1%2FCDh%2FOrur%2FxrufhxOddpqhOsz5asCUpW%2BN%2B7O%7Ctkp%3ABFBM9Pv8ypBk
Risers
www.ebay.com/itm/374251340524?itmmeta=01J22B1DMYM0T3B7TJQ3M70DCY&hash=item57231e42ec:g:oT8AAOSwzrtiuny3&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8Oq9IH9upRnGj%2BdOQO7RCSj%2BPf%2FNYHQUhnMYB%2BEVdPhVDXMbEzCeNM0cePCuYt%2FAciWpMWIExy3yEHjJvGIpy2BevpfMkHQ2%2BvLZlk9zyk8dTRB6xHdgHDX%2BBxhKptGGx%2F2DJ5sh97JtKyxpeTHppLcVVLGiqX60SsbPLuANPhxFAIP9Y1vBK4UzAmF%2FrPozrcHUAkv68qQxwugaNkDY2ijDVRCzmQiE5Oou6VwBftYcM7JQ913K18T%2FyqMzsa%2Fatn7DgMs60cJv1Ebd6%2F3fENbaariGT7BZp6a7OKyog6%2B%2FeZGUEaNGcQxt%2FfKIjS8%2BsA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR87ahcuQZA
Can you send me the link we’re you ordered your set of wheels from
Hi Mitchell, here is the ebay link i bought from. Its takes a few weeks to get the wheel, seems like they are built at time of order and not pulled off the shelf. www.ebay.com/str/kcinternationalwholesalestore
What size is the back wheel
I kept the stock 16"
Does it need a rake kit???
No sir, kept stock.
Nice..thanks for that
Did you use the same spacers as the stock rim
No, if I remember correctly. The seller sent me new spacers for my bike. I had to specify Make, Year and model when I bought the wheel. Thanks for watching.
Can you send me a link for the wheel please? I liked and subscribed
Of course and thank you. www.ebay.com/str/kcinternationalwholesalestore?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=uK_LKOVrRzi&sssrc=3418065&ssuid=e3wdI4CkTFy&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
What are those fender risers, they look real nice.
Thank you. Got them on ebay, appreciate the support. Here is a link to the type i bought (original seller not listed anymore).
www.ebay.com/itm/304454382285?fits=Make%3AHarley-Davidson&hash=item46e2e532cd:g:ePEAAOSwLTZf3XJA&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4MFHs%2FWKd0a5N5ueZWJH7O2aNJa%2Fryv9pKDMAxw%2FVzSZoFjjJ0GZuP%2Fs%2BiK%2BjIuZCSncNYxLXnLdU0OuG%2F4AY9vraYiPAyxY61Axz%2BycEQnMT6UeXrIvTIaeG%2B%2BXKNzJ2cOitNsO64KpgJDJMiHzESKYRzMXr%2B1WRc2%2BvSJtpUuv6FxNwPDG0zASvjiNdptM6moxR6aKXxN0Tj6Ca2wJcWVcgOrwQWzMNu4W8PBb8ekm2ItxwvwbRdqbZ19vU7%2Fefy0uCMsCkbwP%2FP9oK%2BtVJaZrW238dOOPaZQ6y7%2Fv0gAB%7Ctkp%3ABFBMgojAnpdh
@@Mikeityourself Thank you. Keep up the good work.
It looks awesome 😎!!!
Thank you
Looks good man!! What headlight visors are those
The main headlight is an HD Willy G that the bike had on it when i bought it. The others were just some generics i picked up off ebay. Thanks for the support.
What spacer kit did you use and what year is your bike
It was a 95. I didn't have to get a kit. Used my stock spacer, DNA provided the rest
I’m not able to see your reply for some reason
I almost had a big accident todya for using the stock spacer
I’m having a big issue almost flew off my
Bike earlier used the stock spacer and idk it punchered the bearing
Dude, glad you are okay. Are you getting some wobble or something? What bike do you have?
What size was your 21” front tire?
Hi Tony, thanks for watching. I went with a 120/70-21 for this wheel.
Never use brake disc bolts twice.
You should always take new ones
Definitely something I need to do better. Appreciate the feedback.
@@Mikeityourself Well seems that the disc is still attached, so maybe it is a bit overexaggerated
Has this thrown out the speedo ? Dic you have to calibrate it, if so how did you do that ?
Threw my speedo out by about 5 mph. Not sure if it can be calibrated, ive just learned to account for the difference.
What’s ur rear wheel size
Its the stock 16 inch rim on a 130/90-16 tire. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel
nice freaking bike brother
Thanks bro, the work is paying off. Ride safe.
@@Mikeityourself like wise brother
Beautiful bike! What sized tire did you go with 120/70 (I may have missed you saying it in the vid) and have you noticed a difference in the handling or ride? I was thinking maybe a 19" on the front of mine but after seeing the 21" on your bike I'm thinking that it is the ticket.
yep, 120/70 is what I got. I dont feel any difference in the ride. The one thing I did notice was on my first ride out, I was on the freeway and felt like I was struggling a little (just lots of wind) to hit 80 MPH and then realized that my speedo was off because of the bigger wheel. It reads about 5 MPH Lower than actual speed.
Can you post a link to this rim?
Here you go, bought from eBay. www.ebay.com/itm/293967827124 They also have their own website. It takes a couple of weeks before you get your wheel, they apparently don't make them until you order and these folks are just a middleman for DNA (located in California). The price has tripled since I bought mine, id either hold or shop around. Its the DNA 21X3.5" 60 SPOKE DNA FRONT WHEEL 1984-99 FOR HARLEY HERITAGE FATBOY
Hey I have a 2012 fatboy Lo. Has a 200 rear tire. Only finding 180’s with the white wall. Is your rear a white wall 200? Or is it a 180?
im actually running a 130/90 on my rear. Shinko from Ebay.
What size wheels are they both 3.5? And if so did they just go on with no problems?
Rear is stock 16" x ~4" and the front is 21 x 3.5. No problems with the front swap. Had to get risers for the fender and when you buy your wheel, you need to let them know which bike so they send you the correct spacer. Other than that its plug and play.
How are the rims holding up
doing well, no issues. Rides like the 16 was still on.
Where did u get the wheel
purchased from Ebay - seller is KC International Wholesale Store.
@@Mikeityourself u remember what size tire you used?
You are absolutely right, 21" is perfect!👍
seems to just flow well for the softail
Man your brake rotor came off easy mine was terrible
Its really hit and miss sometimes, especially with screws in areas that get really hot like rotors. I think I just got lucky. Thanks for watching.
What brand of white wall tyre you use?
I went with a VEE Rubber brand. very affordable.
Is that the stock front fender?
Also the back wheel is 16 or 18?
Great job btw
Thanks. Yep, stock front and stayed with 16" in the back. Not sure if i will leave it or move up to an 18". I dont mind the looks so its money I can put into another upgrade.
what brand is that 21
its the DNA 60 Spoke 21 x 3.5
You wouldn’t happen to know the wheel bearing size for this wheel would you? I ordered the same wheel but the seller fucked me and sent the wheel with the wrong bearings
Call your local Harley Dealer and ask for Service Department. They have an EPC tab that can get you the right part number and can even sell you one.
Sorry bud, never measured but you hitting up your local HD or checking out JPcycles/ Dennis Kirk should get you exactly what you need.
How’s it ride? Wanting to upgrade from the stock 16 x 5.5 on my softail but I don’t wanna sacrifice how comfy that front wheel makes the ride
I didn't notice any difference in the ride. But i did quickly figure out that it impacted my speedo reading. Was cruzin at 75 MPH and was getting beat pretty good by the wind when i realized the larger wheel doesn't have to spin as fast so i was definitely going much faster. Got a tank mount pouch for my phone to use GPS and see how much of a deviation i've got.
Thinking about doing the same thing to my Fatboy how does the bike handle with the bigger wheels?
Honestly I don't feel any difference in the ride. The one thing that took a minute to realize while riding was my speedo was off by about 5 MPH, cruising at 75MPH seemed to be sending more wind than normal in my direction and then I realized it was actually 80 MPH due to the larger front diameter. But other than that it feels stock to me.
old wheel and tyre is better looking, you now have a smaller whitewall than on the back, the new wheel has lower profile tyre to oso expect to feel the bumps a lot more... steering geometry will be a touch different too... both nice but the older chunkier look apeals more to me...
Thanks for the feedback Phill. I did feel a slight difference in the ride, a lil more of the ground if that makes sense, like a car with racing tires. Outside of that it felt pretty normal. Appreciate the support.