@@ShiningDarknes I think fuel would have been their line in the sand do to speak. They at first had a decent amount of time to work the problem and wait/find better weather.
I kept waiting for 101 to declare and it just never happened. Then they had vehicles at standby and I thought maybe I missed it...but nope never declared.
As a low time pilot, I had a slight loss of power and engine roughness in a Cessna in clear weather, which I later surmised was probably carb ice. I told So Cal Approach and when they handed me off to Long Beach tower, I was asked for souls and fuel on board and if I was requesting "the equipment". My situation paled to what Air India 101 was experiencing and did not say the "E" word. Cultural thing with many pilots, I think.
This is the reason why I try not to complain about redirected and delayed flights. If something went wrong, I'm just thankful of what all has been done behind the scenes to ensure that I arrived alive.
Stumbled upon this channel accidentally and thanks to it, I got a glimpse and understanding of what's happening unknown to us typical passengers. Makes you more appreciative for all the hard works everyone involved.
That Air India pilot is one cool dude. flying into 200 ft cloud base and 400 ft overcast with essentially no instruments except a radio altimeter and ASI. This knowing he is short of fuel and no other airport has significantly better weather.
this overstates the problem. He still had single channel autopilot and gps etc. including his baro altimeters, airspeed, pitch data, navigation and comm radios and weather radar. The airplane has 3 autopilots, he lost 2 of the 3 radar altimeters which causes loss of auto land, autobrakes,TCAS etc but all the normal manual systems still work like brakes, spoilers, flaps and slats. Good work by the crew in difficult conditions and hard IMC with low minimums and very limited automation.
And he followed it to the letter. This video should be shown to pilots and ATC as training on how to handle an emergency situation. In the busiest airspace on earth across two regional controls. and two airports. The handoffs were perfect, the ATC asked the right questions, and above all else the pilots followed ANC perfectly. Well done to everyone involved!
That's the main rule every pilot learns 1. Aviate 2. Navigate 3. Communicate That's why they sometimes ask for 'stand by' when flying. Communication has least priority of the three
Atc: So what’s not working on the aircraft? Pilot: it’s easier to say what is working. Atc: okay what’s working? Pilot: my skill that’s it this plane is trashed.
But the LGA approach guy sounds like a bored librarian and they got the coordinations all over the place, pretty sure AIC101 rolled his eyes when the APP told him to intercept the localizer, also, 270 POB? Kudos to JFK DEP though, very helpful
I wish you were able to more understand JFK tracon controllers and how difficult the sector’s airspace is. I guarantee you that all the controllers within that sector are the top 1% controllers in the WORLD, cheers!
The pilot here is SR captain Rustom Palia. He had 3 pilots more with him being captains and FOs. The first thing they asked for after the flight landed was some strong coffee. In their interview they mentioned that they wanted to save up the fuel because they were not sure of the approach they were going to follow after breaking in to the clouds. Rustom mentioned that Newark was only marginally better in terms of weather, it was their best shot anyway.
@AT no. There is a higher amount of planes in the west than in India. So if you factor that into your calculations you will find that statistically you are incorrect.
@AT bro. No one wants to live in India. You all want to live over here. Even your prime minister prefers to send vaccines to more deserving people than you. You probably live on the street and TH-cam is your whole world. Keep talking about airplanes. You will never fly on one.
When he said that they were on just the altimeter and nothing else, I felt that. He definitely handled it extremely professionally. Complete Instrument Failure is no joke and he sounded like a man chilling on his porch. Kudos.
VASAviation - I really appreciate the subtitles, there is no way I could understand what the radio people are saying without them. I'm not sure how this makes me feel about flying, though.
Handled the Situation with Such and Calm and Cool demeanor and not a shred of Stress in their Crews voice. Really Handled Professionally, Good Air India. The ATC had too many things going on at the same time but they were good too. Apparently, According to News Reports, Thunderstorms moved in just 15 Minutes after the Plane Landed!! Just Imagine trying to land in Heavy Rain.!! Wow..This is Good Stuff!!
Air India has bad reputation in terms of quality of services, but they have good pilot as most of them are retired Air Force pilots and well trained for scenarios as they faced.
@@josephstalin2961 actually not all but most of the pilots are, there is a preference quota, i know few people who are retired and flying in domestic airlines. its not necessary that all pilots but some also join the training and planning or other administration work in airlines
One subtle thing that I love about this clip is how locked in the other pilots were because they understood something was wrong, super instant readbacks.
I listened to both parts of this event, and it struck me that the ATC spent a lot of time dealing with this plane, sometimes getting stepped on by other aircraft who were reporting in. (Hey, I just took off, can you see me, at this heading and altitude, going to that altitude. Hello?) This ATC really went out of his way to help the flight crew out to find alternate airports, and on reflection, that was the right thing to do -- the pilots aren't going to call other airports and see what weather they have, that's up to the ATC. Great job by both the flight crew (Yeah, a lot of stuff is broken, we just need to land soon) and the ATC (I have to take a break now). :) Thanks!
First and foremost, this is one helluva good flight deck crew; and the assistance from ATC along the Northeast Corridor, was stellar. I was an industrial engineer for Boeing, charged with avionics support, during the design, implementation, roll-out, and post delivery (first 100 deliveries) phases of the 777; for these reasons, I know the 777's avionics systems fairly well. With that said, today, and through this video, I've gotten my 'long awaited' confirmation, that the build process, and operational manuals, spelled-out procedures which were 'easily understood', and allowed the flight crew to execute/apply, and transform those written procedures into the physical operation of the aircraft. For myself, and others, (many of us, 'old farts' by now), we've just received the "spiritual" payout - some twenty-five years post-inception.
+katie_incredible, +acastellini, +Abhilash Nair, I became aware of this situation on Monday, 17 September. When Boeing, and BAC's vendors embraced SPC, TQI, TQM, during the 1980's, a 'sea change' began; documentation was required to fully support the build process, SYSTEM-WIDE. These policies 'filtered' their way down to the end users, the airlines, their support staff, and their flight deck and cabin crews. Note: my exposure to this, was almost solely through the "vendor" side of the equation. (excuse the language) When I heard the Captain discuss the "go/no-go" implications (starting in part 1), the situation with the NAV radios, and his determination to trust in the 'known functional nav systems' available to them (not in so many words:) "we're heading to EWR, for a VNAV approach"; it was after all of this that (brain fart aside) helped me come to the realization, that "son-of-a-bitch, it worked". He didn't just dig this out of the QRH, this was instinctive, and the system, down through, and taught by simulation, actually worked.
Considering the situation I'm surprised that Ken didn't go to a dedicated freq so as to talk to them without interruption. The Air India crew was having to fly essentially visual in a low fuel, low visibility situation and maintain communication with ATC with all the other radio traffic going on. Very professional crew 👍
My compliments to NY ATC for the way they handled the Air India emergency. They handled a very difficult situation magnificently! I don't think most flyers appreciate the great job they do in handling multiple aircraft in their sector. I would like to express my personal thanks to them for averting a potentially disastrous situation for Air India. Great job by the NY Controller @ NY Approach!
Great videos VASA, love the content. Thank god the weather in Newark improved, they never would've gotten in to JFK without an ILS approach (we broke out at JFK about 150-200 feet shooting the CAT II ILS 4R at the same time they were landing at EWR). This shows insight into how complex and complicated the NY airspace is with EWR, LGA, and JFK so close to each other. Top notch work by the best controllers in the country as usual.
Thank you, Jordan. We're happy they made it first attempt into Newark since their fuel situation was really critical. We've made a quick calculation and we've come to the conclusion of 60 minutes at the most of total usage (reserve included). By the way, if you ever happen to experience or witness any situation, you could report it to VASAviation so that we can produce a video and learn from it. Safe flights!
Eek... an hour is not much time to get on the ground with the surrounding weather. I will let you know if I do! Learned many things from your content, hopefully I can clue you in to some learning opportunities in the future, as long as it's not me we are learning from :)
ATC: What is wrong with the aircraft? Pilot: Almost everything ATC: Why are you still flying then? Pilot: The engines are running, I think… but fuel is low. ATC: Do you want to declare an emergency? Pilot: No, no, we only want the weather forecast for the region….
Aviation crashes always happen with a chain of events that culminate in to catastrophe- mechanical/electronic failure + weather + human error. This team on game day took human error out of the equation.
Pretty sure they were just winging it on the approach, thus the low altitude warning from ATC at 11:49 Cruising over New York at 500 feet hoping to pop out of the clouds and see the runway environment is sketchy as f***. Lots of cranes and tall buildings. Could've easily ended in catastrophe.
Brilliant school example ATC - Pilot communication. And this really explains why the ATC operator have to understand all flight data, and out of this, guide the crew.
Air india has some damn good pilots. I have been on air india 101. While flying from mumbai to delhi and then new york our flight got delayed due to some problems with power on plane. But pilot was so cool and relaxed everybody.
This seems like business as usual but the failure they were dealing with combined with the fuel and weather made all this extremely serious. Great work by all involved.
Pilot Has Elephant Balls What a Confident Guy He Knew this could end 2 ways yet kept calm and followed protocols and landed the Cack..x..Should Run For Americans Next President...
I’m new to this TH-cam channel, I think a previous episode asked for suggestions or comments. I wanted to say thank you for the brief synopsis at the beginning of the videos, it really helps to understand what is going on
I'd so love to hear an engineer's hypothesis about what lead to so many system failures. ..and the checklist says "I give up... You're #*@&wed!" I'm just a layperson but hats off to all involved!
If i had to guess, and I'm guessing, a power phase might have gone out. I remember one where there were a bunch of seemingly unrelated systems would drop out at the same time intermittently and that was the cause
Ouch! you know, those pilots have being so accertive and calm that i was not concerned about the whole thing in part 1 and 1/2 of 2, but when the pilot said they are navigating on basic altimeter...like last resort it froze me for a sec, even the freaking APU was not avaliable. Whatever damage this airplane developed somewhere internally, it has to be a big one.
They had all their flight instruments and primary altimeters. It was just unable to to fly the glide slope part of the ILS. Radar altimeters were only needed for autoland or cat2 approaches hence why they needed slightly better weather.
Telling the emergency vehicles, it's a "computer failure" is more concise and useful than telling them "they've lost 2 radar altimeters and can't make an instrument approach, their TCAS and auto speed breaks aren't working, and they have no wind shear detector or APU". It lets them know this isn't likely to be the kind of emergency where the wheels or an engine are going to fall off as it rolls down the runway. It'll probably be more the "sloppy landing" kind of emergency. Some of the failures sound like the primary radar was damaged, I'm not sure what systems are needed for the wind shear and auto speed breaks, but that does seem more computer related. The APU is controlled by switches on the overhead panel, it doesn't have anything to do with the computer, other than supplying power to it.
They are alive to watch them and that can't be bad. But, yeah, I suppose it would rattle me to know what happened. One plane crash in a lifetime is enough for me.
I think Id appreciate it. One it would mean I was still alive to view them. Two it shows how professional the pilots and ATC are and to handle something like this.
did a bunch of people die on board between them leaving JFK and arriving EWR, because they went from 300+ souls to just 270 (maybe the rest were lawyers or driving instructors and therefore weren't counted as souls?). Oh, and they suddenly picked up a crap load of fuel.
You know, at the end of part 1 with discussing all the weather and burning more and more fuel while not going anywhere, I was slightly worried that the captain might miss the point where he just needed to make a decission and go with the best option out of a shitty offering. But with the very professional help from ATC and a focussed attitude himself he handled it perfeclty and went for what he thought best for his aircraft. Kudos!
Fantastic job controllers for keeping cool and being superbly helpful during heavy workload. They caught an emergency situation without a declaration and kept all in the air safe and informed.
One criticism I would make: the ATC was far more verbose that was needed--keep it short and to-the-point. These pilots are exceptionally busy dealing with this major instrument failure. They need ATC to think before they speak--then be quick and concise. The pilot's performance was stellar.
I agree. They should have given Air India his own controller and a separate frequency. All the other departures were a distraction for the controller here and people were talking over each other too much. I think the pilots did an outstanding job, but how did they fly the ILS on VNAV?
Self True I disagree. The pilots continually stated they were going to do a LNAV approach. LNAV-VNAV is an Autopilot mode and ATC doesn't know the autopilot. There is no such thing as a VNAV approach. This is why ATC was confused and clarified that the crew was actually going to fly the ILS/LOC approach generated by the FMC "pink needles" rather than the ground based "green needles" with a FMC VNAV glide path. If they had said, We need to do a localizer or RNAV approach it would had be understood faster.
Better safe than sorry I guess. Cockpit ressource management is one thing, but a major omission due to wonky communication conditions can create much more workload out of a simple misunderstanding. I think the main problem was the tower ressource management. The controller was also in charge of a truckload of other planes, and I think failure to provide a proper emergency declaration prevented (at least in the beginning) proper protocols from taking place in the tower, i.e. separate frequency, or individual controler to assist with the matter. Don't get me wrong, pilots did a fantastic job, but I think being clearer in declaring emergency would've prevented a bit of confusion from an already overloaded controller.
Ok, so they did an RNAV approach which has higher minima than an ILS. I assume that JFK was on CAT 2/3 operations, so the RNAV had a lower success chance in this situation. I maintain that the controller was over loaded and he could have stopped departures or arranged a separate frequency for the other departures to concentrate on Air India. The tower had nothing to do with the situation, this is all radar control done from a remote location.
I apologize if I've been unclear, by "tower" I meant center or whatever building people controlling this airspace were in. I too agree he was overloaded, but there's normally a supervisor taking care of ressource management, and I'm not sure a controller alone has authority to undertake such decisions.
Total professionalism , from all concerned in the " incident " we learn from how to improve all aspects from such a situation and to not do so is a missed opportunity.
Thank you for video! Does anyone know if when the crew switches to Approach, and then to Tower, the new ATCs can already see that it’s an emergency aircraft, have the details of the malfunctions, and steps taken so far (eg the vnav approach happening here) somewhere in their system?
The previous controller advises the pilot to contact the next controller like- Speed bird 128 contact Heathrow Tower at 118.50...and yeah the next controller is pre-notified
Basically this is how ATC’s work. One tower is to monitor only departures, one tower is to only monitor landings, and the third tower is basically the red, yellow, and green lights of the air. They each have their own air spaces they monitor and in the event of emergencies like this, they immediately start sending out the emergency code/ident/intents/etc to surrounding towers so everyone is aware of what is going on in their general areas. They do it so swiftly the only reason you know they are switching towers is because the ATC will tell them to contact tower at 117.58. They all keep it calm, cool, collective, and very fast otherwise you end up with a massive traffic jam like on the I-405 in California.
Thanks God for my old flight instructors from the WW2 that they have teached me to fly an aircraft in all sorts of situations and during all different weather conditions and with all kinds of difficulties which can happen during a flight and also with the loss of any instruments! I am proud of my teachers and their skills and that they have given me these things and tricks for solving this kind of problems and to be an pilot of the so-called old school before they had all the instruments for landing an aircraft in this weather conditions! But these pilots here are very very great and I would appreciate it if I could fly with one of them some days together and to share my skills with them! I fly the legendary and most majestic aircraft in the world - the Boeing 747-400 and I love it so much! Lovely greetings from Sarah 💖✈️🙋
yeah those old guys are badasses..... btw the pilots flying this plane are also Air Force pilots as most of Air India pilots are retired or voluntary Air Force pilots
Dont believe they remember everything, just the important stuff which is the cloud ceiling and the visibility which they need for the approach. Also notice how the pilots read back the ceiling wrongly. It was FEW at 200 and ceiling at 400. The pilots read back ceiling at 200.
Never heard an aircraft (commercial) without APU ? Well I had handled one without APU installed for maintenance reason during transit anyway so it's not really a tragedy. You can find the limitation/penalty/restriction for it at MEL btw Not a native English speaker so pardon me
In these days of cent percent fully automated technology or fly-by-wire systems controlling the huge aircraft like 777, it is ultimately the hands-on approach of the Pilots who are trained in Simulators to control the aircraft with Wright Brothers invented basic altimeters had saved the lives of 350 people in this flight. Great and professional Air India Pilots and they deserve great appreciation for this miraculous landing with multiple failures.
Wow the workload for that controller, still having to work with other aircraft despite this situation, I couldn’t handle it! I guess there’d be more support if the Air India declared a pan or a mayday?
As the situation deteriorated, the pilot and ATC both realizing it was an emergency, didnt need to say emergency. The ATC said "understood" and automatically declared an emergency early on. They still had time to think up a plan and look at the available options.
Team Ski lol. “No we have no ILS, no radio altimeter, no PFD, no ND, no yoke on the copilot side, my seat won’t lock, my rudder pedals are inop, we only have one landing light, the yaw damper is MEL, and we can only select flap 10.
Bollywood Entertainment System: operational Souls on board: Mehh, we don't believe in souls Minutes of fuel remaining: I still don't know Localizer: it doesn't work, but we'll use it anyway
Siddhant Singh TCAS, not essential to flight. APU, not essential to flight. Radio altimeters, being integrated to work with the autoland system, yes, nice to have, but the aircraft airworthy. The weather was a major factor, it raised their legal landing limits. The crew knew this and opted to fly the lnav approach and land, Fuel wise, they were not short of fuel. My highest praise to the flight crew of Air India.
It's a special kind of sweating when your boxed into a situation you can't fix, the weather goes to shit everywhere around you, and that fuel totalizor is spinning down to the mission complete light. "Shit, we ain't gonna make it." "Reach 343, fly heading 230, we are expediting a KC-135 alert bird to you." "Cap'm, you better aerial refuel this jet like your life depends on it!"
an excellent awareness of reality... loved how the pilot, FO(?), focused the ATC's attention back on what was do-able, with minimal words cutting away the better-looking yet more risky options.
Single altimeter, No TCAS, no Autoland, Unreachable APU and low fuel is no less than flying coffin.. Yet they landed. Those pilots are heroes. I know Air India is going bankrupt but true assets are these pilots. Hats off to them and their professionalism
What instruments are working? Well, initially nothing, really. But during all the circling, we were able to download a trial version of Foreflight on a passengers iPad, so I think we are OK now. ATC and the crew need to take each other out for beers!
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What was the reason for so many instrument failures?
Incredible presentation!
@@darylsebi9736 I want to know also.
10:45 Malfunction is referred to as a computer failure.
but what caused the computer to fail?
Handled as emergency, without the pilot declaring. Kudos to ATC.
Yeah defiantly should have just declared when the instruments all failed
@@ShiningDarknes I think fuel would have been their line in the sand do to speak. They at first had a decent amount of time to work the problem and wait/find better weather.
I kept waiting for 101 to declare and it just never happened. Then they had vehicles at standby and I thought maybe I missed it...but nope never declared.
As a low time pilot, I had a slight loss of power and engine roughness in a Cessna in clear weather, which I later surmised was probably carb ice. I told So Cal Approach and when they handed me off to Long Beach tower, I was asked for souls and fuel on board and if I was requesting "the equipment". My situation paled to what Air India 101 was experiencing and did not say the "E" word. Cultural thing with many pilots, I think.
JFK maybe alerted newark of the problem, no IFR, so emergency visual manual landing.
This is the reason why I try not to complain about redirected and delayed flights. If something went wrong, I'm just thankful of what all has been done behind the scenes to ensure that I arrived alive.
My flight was once delayed overnight because a part had fallen off the plane. People were still grumbling!
Stumbled upon this channel accidentally and thanks to it, I got a glimpse and understanding of what's happening unknown to us typical passengers. Makes you more appreciative for all the hard works everyone involved.
Except maybe when the entire airline's computer system goes down because they haven't upgraded it in 20 years 😅
@@maxstrhow do you upgrade stuff 20 years back on a 9 year old plane? Maybe if Boeing built good planes like Airbus does.
@@deepakthadhani it wasn't any plane. It was their entire corporate network that crashed
Throughout his whole ordeal, the pilot kept being courteous, saying 'goodmorning' to each new ATC he encountered.
Man with steely resolve..
Probably used to it and did it unconsciously. Kudos, nonetheless.
That's nice and all but it doesn't mean anything if he's not communicating the severity of the situation.
@@The98597thMark “he’s just speaking deliberately and carefully.” That’s the line, right?
I believe there were four pilots on board this particular plane at the time. That probably helped with the stressful situation as well.
That Air India pilot is one cool dude. flying into 200 ft cloud base and 400 ft overcast with essentially no instruments except a radio altimeter and ASI. This knowing he is short of fuel and no other airport has significantly better weather.
And additionally the pilot remained calm and professional with ATC. Cool dude indeed.
It is not really something you should do though... DA is there for a reason!
this overstates the problem. He still had single channel autopilot and gps etc. including his baro altimeters, airspeed, pitch data, navigation and comm radios and weather radar. The airplane has 3 autopilots, he lost 2 of the 3 radar altimeters which causes loss of auto land, autobrakes,TCAS etc but all the normal manual systems still work like brakes, spoilers, flaps and slats. Good work by the crew in difficult conditions and hard IMC with low minimums and very limited automation.
I wonder why he lost the APU too?
Anthony Cooke Probably been unoperative for a while already :D
The pilot in an interview said he remembered his trainer's word" first aviate then navigate then communicate"
Link for the interview ?
@@khush8728 it was ndtv interview. Pls try searching else I ll link once i get back to this
And he followed it to the letter. This video should be shown to pilots and ATC as training on how to handle an emergency situation. In the busiest airspace on earth across two regional controls. and two airports. The handoffs were perfect, the ATC asked the right questions, and above all else the pilots followed ANC perfectly. Well done to everyone involved!
That's the main rule every pilot learns
1. Aviate
2. Navigate
3. Communicate
That's why they sometimes ask for 'stand by' when flying. Communication has least priority of the three
@@khush8728 th-cam.com/video/ycBRrAjNRKc/w-d-xo.html
Atc: So what’s not working on the aircraft?
Pilot: it’s easier to say what is working.
Atc: okay what’s working?
Pilot: my skill that’s it this plane is trashed.
What is working: The radio, the stick, and the pilot.
Is that a plane or flying tuk tuk ???
@@istra70 😂😂😂😂
Surprised the callsign wasn't GERTI.
ATC: what's good on that airplane?
Pilot: DEEZ NUTS
gottem
I've listened to this over and over. One cool pilot. And skilled.
Interview of Pilots flying this plane on this incident ...👇🏻
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Me too... 2021 still listening
And an Skilled Controller
Cool as a cucumber. I'll fly Air India any day. Well, maybe their pilots in someone else's aircraft.
I'm so impressed with the ATC. This guy is trying to put out a fire in his kitchen while spinning plates in the dining room.
Having heard some bad JFK controllers on TH-cam, it sure is refreshing to hear friendly, competent ones like in these videos.
But the LGA approach guy sounds like a bored librarian and they got the coordinations all over the place, pretty sure AIC101 rolled his eyes when the APP told him to intercept the localizer, also, 270 POB? Kudos to JFK DEP though, very helpful
I wish you were able to more understand JFK tracon controllers and how difficult the sector’s airspace is. I guarantee you that all the controllers within that sector are the top 1% controllers in the WORLD, cheers!
The most professional communication from ATC and the pilots that I've ever heard. Great job.
I cannot get over how professional the pilots sound , great work form tower staff too
The pilot here is SR captain Rustom Palia. He had 3 pilots more with him being captains and FOs. The first thing they asked for after the flight landed was some strong coffee. In their interview they mentioned that they wanted to save up the fuel because they were not sure of the approach they were going to follow after breaking in to the clouds. Rustom mentioned that Newark was only marginally better in terms of weather, it was their best shot anyway.
Multiple Failures, Low Fuel, Zero Visibility: The Inside Story Of Air India Flight 101
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@AT do the math. You are wrong.
@AT no. There is a higher amount of planes in the west than in India. So if you factor that into your calculations you will find that statistically you are incorrect.
@AT bro. No one wants to live in India. You all want to live over here. Even your prime minister prefers to send vaccines to more deserving people than you. You probably live on the street and TH-cam is your whole world. Keep talking about airplanes. You will never fly on one.
@@garyhost354 lol
When he said that they were on just the altimeter and nothing else, I felt that. He definitely handled it extremely professionally. Complete Instrument Failure is no joke and he sounded like a man chilling on his porch. Kudos.
ATC: Okay, Air India 101, would you please repeat which two systems are the ones still running?
AIC101: The venturi and the bernouilli.
Ha,ha,ha,ha, Comment of the Year ......
Actually all pipes ( plumbing ) is working.....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LMAO
Best comment
Im dumb can someone explain the joke
The way the video is presented is just awesome. Keep up the good work bro..👍👍
Thank you, Shantanu.
VASAviation - I really appreciate the subtitles, there is no way I could understand what the radio people are saying without them. I'm not sure how this makes me feel about flying, though.
alls well that ends well
well said, the quality of these videos is stellar
I’m a 777 pilot for AA, and i thought the same thing. This should be a training video.
Handled the Situation with Such and Calm and Cool demeanor and not a shred of Stress in their Crews voice. Really Handled Professionally, Good Air India. The ATC had too many things going on at the same time but they were good too. Apparently, According to News Reports, Thunderstorms moved in just 15 Minutes after the Plane Landed!! Just Imagine trying to land in Heavy Rain.!! Wow..This is Good Stuff!!
Air India has bad reputation in terms of quality of services, but they have good pilot as most of them are retired Air Force pilots and well trained for scenarios as they faced.
Yeah thats been the issue with them for decades. Excellent pilots, terrible mechanics, and management.
I mean that’s basically story of India in general lol smart and skilled people with shitty material that leads to low quality service
How do you know this?
Who told you they have retired Air Force pilots?
@@josephstalin2961 actually not all but most of the pilots are, there is a preference quota, i know few people who are retired and flying in domestic airlines. its not necessary that all pilots but some also join the training and planning or other administration work in airlines
Apparently 100 people jumped out of the airplane between 7:06 and 10:45.
Well, wouldn't you?
100 gingers on board that plane
😂😂🤷🏽♂️
They had to save fuel somehow!
And also fuel magically got multipled by a factor of ten
Touch and go there for a while, glad it all worked out. True professionals at JFK, Newark and Air India
Agree. however in terms of inflight and airport services I can assure you ai ain't exactly on the top to put it mildly !
@@rohitkoulgupta1972 mil gayi thandak?
One subtle thing that I love about this clip is how locked in the other pilots were because they understood something was wrong, super instant readbacks.
I listened to both parts of this event, and it struck me that the ATC spent a lot of time dealing with this plane, sometimes getting stepped on by other aircraft who were reporting in. (Hey, I just took off, can you see me, at this heading and altitude, going to that altitude. Hello?) This ATC really went out of his way to help the flight crew out to find alternate airports, and on reflection, that was the right thing to do -- the pilots aren't going to call other airports and see what weather they have, that's up to the ATC. Great job by both the flight crew (Yeah, a lot of stuff is broken, we just need to land soon) and the ATC (I have to take a break now). :) Thanks!
But I wonder if their dispatchers are more qualified than ATC to look at weather and find alternates in this situation.
First and foremost, this is one helluva good flight deck crew; and the assistance from ATC along the Northeast Corridor, was stellar.
I was an industrial engineer for Boeing, charged with avionics support, during the design, implementation, roll-out, and post delivery (first 100 deliveries) phases of the 777; for these reasons, I know the 777's avionics systems fairly well. With that said, today, and through this video, I've gotten my 'long awaited' confirmation, that the build process, and operational manuals, spelled-out procedures which were 'easily understood', and allowed the flight crew to execute/apply, and transform those written procedures into the physical operation of the aircraft.
For myself, and others, (many of us, 'old farts' by now), we've just received the "spiritual" payout - some twenty-five years post-inception.
Haha, thanks man!! 😀
must me immensively satisfying congratulations
It's always great knowing your work paid off dividends.
+katie_incredible, +acastellini, +Abhilash Nair, I became aware of this situation on Monday, 17 September.
When Boeing, and BAC's vendors embraced SPC, TQI, TQM, during the 1980's, a 'sea change' began; documentation was required to fully support the build process, SYSTEM-WIDE. These policies 'filtered' their way down to the end users, the airlines, their support staff, and their flight deck and cabin crews.
Note: my exposure to this, was almost solely through the "vendor" side of the equation.
(excuse the language) When I heard the Captain discuss the "go/no-go" implications (starting in part 1), the situation with the NAV radios, and his determination to trust in the 'known functional nav systems' available to them (not in so many words:) "we're heading to EWR, for a VNAV approach"; it was after all of this that (brain fart aside) helped me come to the realization, that "son-of-a-bitch, it worked". He didn't just dig this out of the QRH, this was instinctive, and the system, down through, and taught by simulation, actually worked.
Awesome thank you for your amazing work
Considering the situation I'm surprised that Ken didn't go to a dedicated freq so as to talk to them without interruption. The Air India crew was having to fly essentially visual in a low fuel, low visibility situation and maintain communication with ATC with all the other radio traffic going on. Very professional crew 👍
My compliments to NY ATC for the way they handled the Air India emergency. They handled a very
difficult situation magnificently! I don't think most flyers appreciate the great job they do in handling multiple aircraft in their sector. I would like to express my personal thanks to them for averting a
potentially disastrous situation for Air India. Great job by the NY Controller @ NY Approach!
Great videos VASA, love the content. Thank god the weather in Newark improved, they never would've gotten in to JFK without an ILS approach (we broke out at JFK about 150-200 feet shooting the CAT II ILS 4R at the same time they were landing at EWR).
This shows insight into how complex and complicated the NY airspace is with EWR, LGA, and JFK so close to each other. Top notch work by the best controllers in the country as usual.
Thank you, Jordan. We're happy they made it first attempt into Newark since their fuel situation was really critical. We've made a quick calculation and we've come to the conclusion of 60 minutes at the most of total usage (reserve included).
By the way, if you ever happen to experience or witness any situation, you could report it to VASAviation so that we can produce a video and learn from it. Safe flights!
Thank God indeed!
Eek... an hour is not much time to get on the ground with the surrounding weather.
I will let you know if I do! Learned many things from your content, hopefully I can clue you in to some learning opportunities in the future, as long as it's not me we are learning from :)
Would they otherwise crash in New Jersey? Or Boston?
Ex-Indian Air Force pilots, and if not, amazing pilots anyhow, on any level! Romeo-Echo-Sierra-Papa-Echo-Charlie-Tango. And Bravo ATC also.
ATC: What is wrong with the aircraft?
Pilot: Almost everything
ATC: Why are you still flying then?
Pilot: The engines are running, I think… but fuel is low.
ATC: Do you want to declare an emergency?
Pilot: No, no, we only want the weather forecast for the region….
😂
ATC: do you need ground assistance?
Pilot: no. We will taxi to the gate.
ATC: Roger, stand by. There's no gate available.
That JFK controller earned his money that day. Think he would be tired end of his shift.
Aviation crashes always happen with a chain of events that culminate in to catastrophe- mechanical/electronic failure + weather + human error. This team on game day took human error out of the equation.
Pretty sure they were just winging it on the approach, thus the low altitude warning from ATC at 11:49
Cruising over New York at 500 feet hoping to pop out of the clouds and see the runway environment is sketchy as f***. Lots of cranes and tall buildings. Could've easily ended in catastrophe.
Fun fact: Most of the Air India pilots are retired air force pilots.
@NRXMusic Official that's true
@NRXMusic Official its true
@NRXMusic Official Its true if you dont know what you are talking about dont speak
That's why they can handle situations like these very calm...
No they are not
Brilliant school example ATC - Pilot communication. And this really explains why the ATC operator have to understand all flight data, and out of this, guide the crew.
Congratulations to all concerned. I've only ever flown as a passenger, but this kind of thing gives me great confidence.
I honestly have no idea how an ATC can handle a busy airspace like this. Crazy workload
How on earth 370 souls got reported as 270?
Imagine them being prepared for a 100 less.
Thankgoddess everything went great. And they were all saved!
I need an aircrash investigation episode on this! Way too many failures
Same!
Good example here of professionals that remembered "Fly the plane".
Aviate, navigate, then communicate
GREAT Job done .. Very professional pilot .. Kept calm and kept going on !!!
Air india has some damn good pilots.
I have been on air india 101.
While flying from mumbai to delhi and then new york our flight got delayed due to some problems with power on plane.
But pilot was so cool and relaxed everybody.
you mean they didn't fix the freaking plane ? 😂
@@gamermiles20 as long as it flies,they will squeeze every single cent
Awesome, just finished watching part 1 and this gets uploaded :D
That is one ice cold pilot! Nothing working on the plane but the toilets and the dude doesn't declare an emergency!
What would have happened if he was declaring an emergency?
@@pianosenzanima1 Get priority and others would be held away from them.
It's going to be paperworkday tomorrow anyway.
Is it just me or does the level of stress audibly increase in the ATC's voice when he hears that Air India 101 has no TCAS?
When the controller finally got all the details clear, the stress level went for high to off the charts, but he did a fantastic job.
Such a great video. The changes you are introducing are making your channel better all the time.
Thank you, Anthony.
This seems like business as usual but the failure they were dealing with combined with the fuel and weather made all this extremely serious. Great work by all involved.
Pilot Has Elephant Balls What a Confident Guy He Knew this could end 2 ways yet kept calm and followed protocols and landed the Cack..x..Should Run For Americans Next President...
I’m new to this TH-cam channel, I think a previous episode asked for suggestions or comments. I wanted to say thank you for the brief synopsis at the beginning of the videos, it really helps to understand what is going on
I'd so love to hear an engineer's hypothesis about what lead to so many system failures. ..and the checklist says "I give up... You're #*@&wed!"
I'm just a layperson but hats off to all involved!
If i had to guess, and I'm guessing, a power phase might have gone out. I remember one where there were a bunch of seemingly unrelated systems would drop out at the same time intermittently and that was the cause
Ouch! you know, those pilots have being so accertive and calm that i was not concerned about the whole thing in part 1 and 1/2 of 2, but when the pilot said they are navigating on basic altimeter...like last resort it froze me for a sec, even the freaking APU was not avaliable.
Whatever damage this airplane developed somewhere internally, it has to be a big one.
10:45 Malfunction is referred to as a computer failure.
They had all their flight instruments and primary altimeters. It was just unable to to fly the glide slope part of the ILS. Radar altimeters were only needed for autoland or cat2 approaches hence why they needed slightly better weather.
I'm guessing an anomaly in the systems?
Telling the emergency vehicles, it's a "computer failure" is more concise and useful than telling them "they've lost 2 radar altimeters and can't make an instrument approach, their TCAS and auto speed breaks aren't working, and they have no wind shear detector or APU". It lets them know this isn't likely to be the kind of emergency where the wheels or an engine are going to fall off as it rolls down the runway. It'll probably be more the "sloppy landing" kind of emergency.
Some of the failures sound like the primary radar was damaged, I'm not sure what systems are needed for the wind shear and auto speed breaks, but that does seem more computer related. The APU is controlled by switches on the overhead panel, it doesn't have anything to do with the computer, other than supplying power to it.
It was the localiser that failed -- not the glide slope. That is worse than a glide slope failure.
10:58 72,000kgs of fuel... if only!
Also 100 less pax lmao
God bless that pilot and ATC’s for how they handled such a dire situation.
That was amazing Thank you. The pilots were so calm and so were ATC. So pleased the plane got down ok.
We got no instruments, can't see a thing, running out of gas... Walk in the park 😁👍
Wonderful work mate 👍
Imagine if some of those passengers saw these 2 videos.
They are alive to watch them and that can't be bad. But, yeah, I suppose it would rattle me to know what happened. One plane crash in a lifetime is enough for me.
Or if they were listening to Liveatc
If I was on that plane and saw these videos. I'd have personally gone to the pilots and the tower staff, and hugged them for keeping me unhurt.
I think Id appreciate it. One it would mean I was still alive to view them. Two it shows how professional the pilots and ATC are and to handle something like this.
did a bunch of people die on board between them leaving JFK and arriving EWR, because they went from 300+ souls to just 270 (maybe the rest were lawyers or driving instructors and therefore weren't counted as souls?). Oh, and they suddenly picked up a crap load of fuel.
Twilight zone much?
driving instructors?
ilikethisnamebetter Haha random
yes, no soul.
ok, must be an American thing.
You know, at the end of part 1 with discussing all the weather and burning more and more fuel while not going anywhere, I was slightly worried that the captain might miss the point where he just needed to make a decission and go with the best option out of a shitty offering. But with the very professional help from ATC and a focussed attitude himself he handled it perfeclty and went for what he thought best for his aircraft. Kudos!
Fantastic job controllers for keeping cool and being superbly helpful during heavy workload. They caught an emergency situation without a declaration and kept all in the air safe and informed.
One criticism I would make: the ATC was far more verbose that was needed--keep it short and to-the-point. These pilots are exceptionally busy dealing with this major instrument failure. They need ATC to think before they speak--then be quick and concise. The pilot's performance was stellar.
I agree. They should have given Air India his own controller and a separate frequency. All the other departures were a distraction for the controller here and people were talking over each other too much. I think the pilots did an outstanding job, but how did they fly the ILS on VNAV?
Self True I disagree. The pilots continually stated they were going to do a LNAV approach. LNAV-VNAV is an Autopilot mode and ATC doesn't know the autopilot. There is no such thing as a VNAV approach. This is why ATC was confused and clarified that the crew was actually going to fly the ILS/LOC approach generated by the FMC "pink needles" rather than the ground based "green needles" with a FMC VNAV glide path. If they had said, We need to do a localizer or RNAV approach it would had be understood faster.
Better safe than sorry I guess.
Cockpit ressource management is one thing, but a major omission due to wonky communication conditions can create much more workload out of a simple misunderstanding.
I think the main problem was the tower ressource management. The controller was also in charge of a truckload of other planes, and I think failure to provide a proper emergency declaration prevented (at least in the beginning) proper protocols from taking place in the tower, i.e. separate frequency, or individual controler to assist with the matter.
Don't get me wrong, pilots did a fantastic job, but I think being clearer in declaring emergency would've prevented a bit of confusion from an already overloaded controller.
Ok, so they did an RNAV approach which has higher minima than an ILS. I assume that JFK was on CAT 2/3 operations, so the RNAV had a lower success chance in this situation. I maintain that the controller was over loaded and he could have stopped departures or arranged a separate frequency for the other departures to concentrate on Air India. The tower had nothing to do with the situation, this is all radar control done from a remote location.
I apologize if I've been unclear, by "tower" I meant center or whatever building people controlling this airspace were in.
I too agree he was overloaded, but there's normally a supervisor taking care of ressource management, and I'm not sure a controller alone has authority to undertake such decisions.
People like this make air travel safer for everyone.
Total professionalism , from all concerned in the " incident " we learn from how to improve all aspects from such a situation and to not do so is a missed opportunity.
No Visibility, no Autoland and no fuel left. Worst case scenario handled in a very professional way. Thank god they made it to the ground safely.
WOW!!! Calm pilot... lol I'd be freaking out internally low fuel
This crew was excellent and ATC did an excellent job as well.
Thank you for video! Does anyone know if when the crew switches to Approach, and then to Tower, the new ATCs can already see that it’s an emergency aircraft, have the details of the malfunctions, and steps taken so far (eg the vnav approach happening here) somewhere in their system?
The previous controller advises the pilot to contact the next controller like- Speed bird 128 contact Heathrow Tower at 118.50...and yeah the next controller is pre-notified
Basically this is how ATC’s work. One tower is to monitor only departures, one tower is to only monitor landings, and the third tower is basically the red, yellow, and green lights of the air. They each have their own air spaces they monitor and in the event of emergencies like this, they immediately start sending out the emergency code/ident/intents/etc to surrounding towers so everyone is aware of what is going on in their general areas. They do it so swiftly the only reason you know they are switching towers is because the ATC will tell them to contact tower at 117.58. They all keep it calm, cool, collective, and very fast otherwise you end up with a massive traffic jam like on the I-405 in California.
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Thanks God for my old flight instructors from the WW2 that they have teached me to fly an aircraft in all sorts of situations and during all different weather conditions and with all kinds of difficulties which can happen during a flight and also with the loss of any instruments! I am proud of my teachers and their skills and that they have given me these things and tricks for solving this kind of problems and to be an pilot of the so-called old school before they had all the instruments for landing an aircraft in this weather conditions! But these pilots here are very very great and I would appreciate it if I could fly with one of them some days together and to share my skills with them! I fly the legendary and most majestic aircraft in the world - the Boeing 747-400 and I love it so much! Lovely greetings from Sarah 💖✈️🙋
yeah those old guys are badasses..... btw the pilots flying this plane are also Air Force pilots as most of Air India pilots are retired or voluntary Air Force pilots
Amazing job and professionalism.
Great ending! Very good video. I am impressed with everyone.
Imagine the passengers discussing how normal their flight was and not really knowing what was going on behind the scenes. 😅
Imagine the passengers moaning and groaning about the delay and the diversion.
7:49 wow the pilots remember all that in a second in that situation.
They have a secret technique: they write it down !!
Dont believe they remember everything, just the important stuff which is the cloud ceiling and the visibility which they need for the approach. Also notice how the pilots read back the ceiling wrongly. It was FEW at 200 and ceiling at 400. The pilots read back ceiling at 200.
Pilot writes it down for the readback.
I think they learn shorthand which will help write down stuff faster
Air India lost APU, that's a tragedy!
OMFG I spat out my coffee.
Never heard an aircraft (commercial) without APU ? Well I had handled one without APU installed for maintenance reason during transit anyway so it's not really a tragedy. You can find the limitation/penalty/restriction for it at MEL btw
Not a native English speaker so pardon me
@@qizan2948 \its a joke about indian names
Gears thank you come again..
@@qizan2948 the joke flew over your head
In these days of cent percent fully automated technology or fly-by-wire systems controlling the huge aircraft like 777, it is ultimately the hands-on approach of the Pilots who are trained in Simulators to control the aircraft with Wright Brothers invented basic altimeters had saved the lives of 350 people in this flight. Great and professional Air India Pilots and they deserve great appreciation for this miraculous landing with multiple failures.
HOW DID HE NOT DECLARE EMERGENCY. Just about the entire plane broke and he doesn't call an emergency 😂
They handled it well though, very calm
The only reason I can think of is he didn't want to deal with the paperwork afterwards 🤣
Wow the workload for that controller, still having to work with other aircraft despite this situation, I couldn’t handle it! I guess there’d be more support if the Air India declared a pan or a mayday?
As the situation deteriorated, the pilot and ATC both realizing it was an emergency, didnt need to say emergency. The ATC said "understood" and automatically declared an emergency early on. They still had time to think up a plan and look at the available options.
Wow, APU out as well. What a POS aircraft. Amazing.
Team Ski lol. “No we have no ILS, no radio altimeter, no PFD, no ND, no yoke on the copilot side, my seat won’t lock, my rudder pedals are inop, we only have one landing light, the yaw damper is MEL, and we can only select flap 10.
Fcreceptor ...and the cabin PA is stuck playing Katy Perry songs on a loop.
Roger that clear to land
Bollywood Entertainment System: operational
Souls on board: Mehh, we don't believe in souls
Minutes of fuel remaining: I still don't know
Localizer: it doesn't work, but we'll use it anyway
@@uruiamnot The best comment so far :))
Proud of an Indian. Goodod job the crews.
How could you be...?. There’s no info that the pilots were Indians.
@@aosanshou they were Indian pilots
Imagine going through all of that. Landing. The sheer relief only to be told there’s not a gate available.
Those are pilots who retired from the Indian airforce. Great professionals
Really, so proud of them
I'm from that area. I always forget how close Newark and Kennedy are. Relatively speaking, that is.
Would they have informed the passengers that there was any problems or can they keep it to themselves ??
Great two parter 👏🏼👏🏼👍👍
Man this would have been very scary
Siddhant Singh why?
Alarms going off . Almost Every electrical system is gone!!! TCAS gone !! Bad weather!! Not a good combo!! Plus no APU, low fuel
Siddhant Singh TCAS, not essential to flight. APU, not essential to flight. Radio altimeters, being integrated to work with the autoland system, yes, nice to have, but the aircraft airworthy. The weather was a major factor, it raised their legal landing limits. The crew knew this and opted to fly the lnav approach and land, Fuel wise, they were not short of fuel. My highest praise to the flight crew of Air India.
You're right. 15k pounds of fuel left on a 777 with that many sob??? That's insanity! (approx 1400 gallons). That sucka's gonna go down soon!
Thank U VAS Aviation for all the wonderfull videos...
Thanks for watching!
I wrote it in part 1 and I'll write it again here - really well done guys.
Good old speedbird 178 on the radio!
Excelent Controller job! managing all the regular traffic and this Air India also doing its best!
7:55 that was really cool , thanks !
11:00 I bet they wished they had 72,000 kg still on-board
Yeah they could have flown South into much better weather!
Ground also lost track of 100 souls!
Very professional crew and ATC contacts, thankfully no bad outcome.
Kudos to everyone involved, and double kudos to the flight crew! Would be nice to know what caused the multiple failures tho
In awe of this pilot - what a unit
There is a lot of stepping on each other with the radio comms.
"Okay, so you just have basic altimeter . . . "
It's a special kind of sweating when your boxed into a situation you can't fix, the weather goes to shit everywhere around you, and that fuel totalizor is spinning down to the mission complete light. "Shit, we ain't gonna make it." "Reach 343, fly heading 230, we are expediting a KC-135 alert bird to you." "Cap'm, you better aerial refuel this jet like your life depends on it!"
an excellent awareness of reality...
loved how the pilot, FO(?), focused the ATC's attention back on what was do-able,
with minimal words cutting away the better-looking yet more risky options.
If my calculation is right they had less then 45 minutes of fuel at that speed and altitude. Cutting it WAY too close.
Having some average B777 Fuel Flow at that altitude and speed... yes, you're correct. One hour at the most.
It is certainly a hell of a landing. They did an awesome job keeping calm.
Why didn't they declare emergency?
Also, atc asked how much fuel 3 times before getting a response.
@@truevulgarian actually they already provided the fuel in the last video. And in this one they were just confirming the status.
@@VASAviation 7200 kg of fuel, not 720. He could go from NY to LA with that amount
Kudos to pilot for keeping calm and courteous
Excellent crew & ATC. Would've thought an emergency declaration was needee though?
Single altimeter, No TCAS, no Autoland, Unreachable APU and low fuel is no less than flying coffin.. Yet they landed. Those pilots are heroes. I know Air India is going bankrupt but true assets are these pilots. Hats off to them and their professionalism
My respect for airindia crew increased thousands time after this....
Such amazing work of the atc on this one, wow... big thumbs up!
What instruments are working?
Well, initially nothing, really. But during all the circling, we were able to download a trial version of Foreflight on a passengers iPad, so I think we are OK now.
ATC and the crew need to take each other out for beers!