Thanks fellas. As a BYU fan I am ecstatic to be part of the Big 12. Feels like a great fit. After decades of longing for the PAC, I wouldn’t trade the Big 12 membership for the PAC for all the root beer in the world.
Yeah, not many people outside of the BYU community remember Robbie Bosco because he was never more than a backup in the NFL and may never have played a down there. I think he may have been the greatest QB BYU ever produced. He won the national championship in his Junior year, and he was absolutely amazing. Early in the year he made me nervous with all the throws he made into tight coverage, but he was so accurate on those that eventually I just accepted that he knew what he was doing. Unfortunately he was injured pretty badly early in his Senior year. The relatively high level at which he was able to play for the remainder of that season despite having an arm strength not much better than mine is amazing. Seriously, he couldn't throw deep at all anymore and even his mid length passes were high arching wounded ducks. It was amazing that he was able to complete anything in that range, but he did so fairly consistently due to his high passing IQ (and also having good receivers who could get wide open and fight for the ball when necessary). A more ordinary QB would have had a ton of interceptions without being able to throw better than that. I don't believe he ever fully recovered, or he would have been a star in the NFL.
Gentlemen, just a heads-up responding to one of your points regarding BYU funding. Although the school is run and operated by the LDS Church, the athletic department does not receive any funding from the church. They are required to be totally self sufficient. They can not build a new facility until it is fully paid for as well as set up to maintain it into perpetuity. How many schools can say that?
I’m a big Baylor fan. The two recent games between Baylor and BYU have been great! Hopefully BYU can weather the superior competition of the Big12 and represent the conference well.
I’m a byu fan. I agree, it’s going to be tough. Scared but excited because byu tends to surprise us, both by sucking more than they should and also playing better than expected and beating harder teams.
We are so stoked. Additionally, we are so glad to be in a conference with Baylor. A rivalry with respect and enthusiasm, Baylor to us is the best and classiest school in the new Big XII. We do not dislike any of the new Big 12 teams, we know that TCU is a little troubled with us but we will do our best to win them over without animosity.
As a BYU fan I’ve been a fan of TCU for over a decade. I have no idea what you’re talking about. All of the Big12 teams fans have been great, but TCU fans have been the most welcoming I’ve seen so far.
FYI @nickinportland or anyone who may read this later. Utah fans like ChrisBailey996 will go all around social media making idiotic comments while pretending to be BYU fans. If you look at his subscriptions, he doesn’t follow any BYU channels, but he does follow “Utah Utes football digest.” Just keep that in mind when you see moronic comments from supposed BYU fans. Not always, but surprisingly often, it is a Utah fan trying to make us look bad. Unfortunately this is a thing they do from their moms’ basements.
Nick, please ignor Chris Bailey. He is a Ute fan that has been posting on byu articles for YEARS, with his anti-Mormon sentiment. He is NOT a byu fan. We aren’t stupid enough to think we will be anyone’s daddy in the Big 12.
So happy BYU is with Baylor in the big12, such great religious schools! So rare to have great religious universities showing it can be done during these times.
Great video. One note - while Steve Young led BYU to the first 11 games of the winning streak from 1983 to 1985, he graduated and it was Robbie Bosco that QBed the 1984 national championship team. Bosco was a tremendous big game QB, he led upsets of #3 Pitt in 1984, #4 Air Force in 1985 and 1985 wins over 1984 top 5 teams Washington and Boston College. And the national championship win over Michigan.
Ok, I listened to your podcast and now I am convinced - a Baylor v BYU rivalry would add a lot of excitement to to Big 12 conference. Sounds particularly fun thinking of stadiums packed people wearing Baptists vs Mormon T-shirts. Rabid fans backing strong teams but without the toxic behavior that mar some rivalries makes for an absolutely top tier college football matchup.
Hey guys, I've thoroughly enjoyed your pod casts! I will turn 69 in 12 days and I was a freshman at BYU in 1973. The first football game I went to in Provo was kind of like a glorified high school game, lol. The stadium was smaller and everyone was just walking around the base of the stadium seats looking to meet someone to date. That changed quickly when all of a sudden BYU started turning heads towards the football field with this amazing quarterback named Gary Sheide! I went to Mt. Diablo High School in Concord, CA and Gary had played at Antioch High School, one of Mt. Diablo's biggest rivals. I suddenly became BYU's biggest football fan! Just walking around the BYU campus over the years, I saw so many well known BYU football players in class, walking to class, etc! One day, I was at the bank behind some guy getting cash out of the ATM. He turned around and it was Steve Young. He said hi and then proceeded to get into his old beat up car. My cousin was Ty Detmer's roommate and got me a autographed football with the entire team's signatures. By the way, my cousin is Eric Mortensen who returned a kickoff 100 yards for a touchdown against Utah State! My wife and I ran into Robbie Bosco at the grocery store. My wife and I moved into a home in the hills and Cary Whittingham and his brothers would play basketball on the court in the back yard. It was the same neighborhood that Lavell Edwards and his wife lived in. Sorry to ramble, but I agree with you guys, BYU was definitely a smart choice to be asked to join the Big 12. We may not win too many games right off, but that will change, I promise you! Baylor is a great school that I have always admired and I've loved every football game BYU has had with the Bears. By the way guys, BYU and Baylor are 2 and 2 against each other in football, so we're kind of starting off with a clean slate! Can't wait for the next time BYU and Baylor meet!
Hey I’m 67 and can totally relate. I’m not LDS but graduated from BYU in 1984 after falling in love with BYU and the Mormon people. Oh, and BYU football of course. 😀
I agree. I think adding BYU helped save our conference. In addition, I think the Woke PAC 10 President’s decision to not add BYU may be the reason they don’t survive. Absolutely Hilarious 😅
This is something I've told people before, but not because BYU, of itself, is the difference-maker, but rather that the Pac-10 leadership's decision to do away with decades of history as a conference with state or regional rivalries across the board may ultimately have been the difference in the Pac-12 not being of sufficient interest nationally to keep USC involved. Let's say that Nevada (UNR) and UNLV were two strong sports schools. They then would have been the next natural candidates to invite, as had been Arizona and Arizona State to expand from the Pac-8. Since that wasn't the case, the next logical choices would have been Utah and BYU; Colorado geographically would seriously be stretching the idea of a "Pacific" conference. Yes, the idea to invite Texas and Oklahoma (plus coattails) was a bold attempt, but lacked a viable backup plan, especially after they chose to invite Colorado as a standalone to prevent the Texas Legislature from packaging religious school Baylor with the other Texas schools. With Colorado immediately accepting, the Pac leadership painted themselves into a corner that would have only been resolved with UT and OU accepting. They didn't, and the Pac went to their consolation prize of... Utah. The funny thing is, Utah kept getting better, and finally good enough to win the whole conference when traditional leaders USC, Oregon, and Washington were off their games--remember, Utah, who lost to Oregon, doesn't even get in to the conference championship game this year if Oregon can manage to beat Oregon State. But Colorado barely made a blip on the radar since the time they were invited. There was never any real rivalry between them and Utah; a comparison of Utah fans on BYU discussions versus those of Colorado readily bears that out. And the conference has been in a malaise for years. But imagine if BYU were there instead of Colorado. BYU, who beat its share of P5 teams during its independent years, certainly would have been able to compete at a much higher level than Colorado did with the same access to all of the money and recruiting advantages that goes with Pac-12 membership. And, heaven forbid that BYU actually competed for a conference title as Utah did; I think that would have lit a competitive fire under the leadership of the schools that were so adamantly against a religious school being in the conference. The point is that with two very competitive programs who were also bitter rivals being in the Pac-12, the conference would have been in a far better place from a network contract standpoint, and USC likely wouldn't have done the unthinkable to jump to a conference mostly in the eastern half of the country.
BYU did knock on the pac12 door and was denied. The pac12 didn't want religious schools in their conference and chalked it up to "academics" even though BYU is stronger than Utah in that regard.
In fairness, Utah has a medical school. BYU does not. Each year, Utah receives more dollars in research grants than does BYU (and, therefore, publishes more academic papers than does BYU). From that perspective, Utah can be viewed as having better academics than BYU. However, BYU's incoming freshman class has better test scores and better grades than does the U's freshman class. From that perspective, BYU can be seen as more academic. It's certainly tougher to get into. Having said that, Chris is correct: BYU was rejected by the PAC12 because the rest of the schools didn't want a religious institution (particularly one that acts like a religious institution) to join their ranks. Pointing to BYU's lack of academics was just a fig leaf.
Let's be honest BYU has a history of beating most of the PAC 12 teams anyway. It was only 2 or 3 seasons ago when BYU beat a significant number of Pac12 teams in a single season to the point that they should have been named Pac12 champions.
@@sgsheffbyu had 1 good season against the PAC lol. There’s no history of victory against the pac for byu. They have a losing record against P5 teams. Even when Lavell coached. Be real dude.
@@aleniafuvai that's absolutely not true. Within the last 5-10 years BYU has beaten more Pac12 teams than have beaten BYU. Lavell stopped coaching over two decades ago. The Pac12 simply isn't that great of a conference anymore. USC and Oregon aren't what they used to be and USC is only getting better again because they got a great Big 12 coach and some of his star players. The Pac12 is the worst of the power 5 conferences and gets destroyed in bowl games every year by other conferences. BYU has done well against p 5 conference teams under the current coaching staff and regularly has had some of the most difficult schedules in the country. Most Pac12 teams have some of the weakest schedules in the country. BYU is consistently looking for more difficult competition to play against year over year win or lose while the Pac12 seems to do the exact opposite with its teams. Not to mention the fact that the Pac12 requires Pac12 refs to do any game played against a team from a different conference and everyone knows that the Pac12 refs are the worst in the country with crazy blunders. The trajectory of the Pac12 just doesn't look good right now and everyone can see it. The fact that CU is the program in the conference with the most excitement and hype around it is embarrassing.
@@aleniafuvai....... Why do you make claims you know are false? Where is the illustrious past of Utah? What does Utah offer any conference? BYU controls the state of Utah so there is no need for Utah. When has Utah ever brought value to the pac the way BYU brings value to the Big 12? Utah was dead in the water until the Olympics came along and money was funneled directly into the University to save it from bankruptcy....... you can thank Mitt Romney for that.
You all do a great job! Started following last year ahead of the BYU v Baylor game. It’s so refreshing to find genuine people with objective points of view. So finding respect for BYU is pretty cool and it’s easy to embrace what Baylor is all about as a result. Check out the history of the West Coast office. The fact that it’s not that old is amazing to me and to see how Reid, Holmgren, Billick, Norm Chow evolved from having been a part of the Lavell Edwards system is worth researching. They did it (evolved) to compete with less talent. And what it’s become now is just awesome.
Ok, 26 and 27 year olds on the BYU team? FYI, the average age of the BYU team is 21.4 years. I did enjoy the podcast about BYU -- VERY MUCH! You two did a great job. Plus, Baylor has a couple of former BYU players as well as two former BYU coaches. I hope it becomes a great rivalry.
@@ckstaff This is why everyone laughs at you. Everyone in college football hates our fans because of obnoxious and delusional fans like YOU. Stop the Hate!!🛑
@@ckstaff This is why everyone laughs at you little buddy. College football fans absolutely hate our fans because of Obnoxious and Delusional fans like you. Stop the Hate 🛑
Yup, not fun losing to utah, though most of the games were very competitive. Utah had a huge advantage being part of the pac. BYU admirably did as best as they could in independence. Things will get better for BYU!
As a byu fan I actually followed this channel after the last time they played mostly because of the mutual respect the players showed each other. Love you guys and I'm rooting for Baylor unless they play byu.
Toll-BYU fan here leaving you an algo-boosting comment. As for academics, as a BYU Law alum, I have to remind Harper we have the #22 ranked law school in the country too. Excited to hear you on Jake’s show again soon.
Thanks for doing your homework on BYU guys. Nice to hear you bring up so many past accomplishments in BYU history. And I also have always believed in that same pendulum theory you mentioned and I think BYU will rise to the top of the conference at some point. One minor note, it was Robbie Bosco at QB who won the natty in 84, Steve Young graduated in 83. But otherwise you were spot on in your analysis. Highly enjoyable!
Cougar Nation is extremely excited to be in the Big XII ! I think BYU does add a lot to the conference and hope they can compete right away. Thanks, guys for the show.
Just for clarification, none of LDS church member tithing or other contributions go toward athletics, nor money donated to academics. The Athletic Dept has been operating at about $12-15M annual budget. Cantvwait to see what they can do with $50M a few years from now when they get a full share. The Utes no longer have a P5 advantage nor $$$. And I'll say BYU couldnt be happier to join the Big XII. Love the budding rivalry with Baylor. Nice clean, strong competitor, even if they do swipe our bball and football players and coaches. 😊
Great podcast! Soooo excited to be a part of the Big 12 officially! One minor pushback I would give is the "level of competition" argument for the Directors Cup. BYU plays in the most competitive "leagues" for non-tv sports that you can find and regularly win/compete (Volleyball, Track and Field, Golf, etc.). It is true, BYU basketball and baseball have taken a step back in the WCC, (I would argue that the MWC was better for both of those sports) and BYU has been hit-and-miss in independence in football. Those programs should surge again to national prominence with the **large** recruiting bump BYU is getting from Big 12 membership and real-deal P5 status. And the 26-27 year old argument is so old, and so tired at this point. In the "one-and-done" world that we live in, taking two years off from your sport creates serious disadvantages to your body and training versus the admitted benefit of having a mind that is two years older. If it was such an advantage, every other college would do it. LDS talent would get a premium boost to recruitment, which they don't, and unestablished schools would want their kids to perform service missions to bulk them up and build them up to competition levels, which they don't.
Yep, in most cases, missionaries are limited to one day a week (Preparation Day) where they're able to work out. Most missionaries return underweight and out of shape. BYU coaches and staff have seen returning missionaries get hurt at a higher rate, which is one reason they prefer to grayshirt incoming returned missionaries. Have to get their "sea legs" back under them.
Just so everyone here knows.... this Chris Bailey guy pretends to be a BYU fan but is really a Ute who's been an active BYU hater for at least a decade. Guy's got serious issues. Never pay attention to Utes like him.
Depth has certainly been the issue up until now. I’m hoping Big12 recruiting will help but I agree it’s gonna take a few years. Imagine being this Chris Bailey guy, hanging out on an opposing team’s conference Utube video comments section! BYU obviously lives rent free in this guys head! Hilarious!
Drake I hope you get to come out to the Marriott center and catch a basketball game sometime. Even on a down year, the atmosphere there is absolutely electric. We can't wait to be in the big 12 with y'all!
LaVell Edwards Stadium is one of the great venues in football. The Marriott Center is one of the great venues in basketball. The student section, the ROC, To Roar Of Cougars is always one of the best in the nation.
YES! 100% agree on the glass windows in the press box that don’t open. Man as a lifelong BYU fan, those have bothered me for years. Hoping with this Big 12 money we can finally upgrade our press box and suites! It’s much needed.
Love the compliments. Can you please take a look at the average age of BYU players though. I think you’ll find the age difference minimal. Also you’ll find the mission experience not conducive for college sports
Thanks for mentioning ALL sports. BYU has been National Champions in the following sports: Football, Men's and Women's Volley Ball (multiple times), Women's Soccer (at least twice), Men and Women's Cross Country. They have been ranked in Softball and Gymnastics. They are very competitive in golf and tennis. As for club sports, they have the best Men and Women's Rugby Teams in the Nation. An excellent Lacrosse team. As for peripheral support, their dance team has been National Champions for many years, just watch when they go out on the field. AND, they have the best mascot in all of collegiate or professional sports. Look up Cosmo the Cougar. He can dance and he does the most athletic and insane stunts. You really need to look him up. He WILL blow your mind. Finally, and this has been mentioned before, they have an amazing fan base. Wherever they go, you will see a sea of blue. When they played Oklahoma in Cowboy Stadium, it was equally red and blue. When we were playing basketball in the West Coast Conference, there were usually more BYU fans than home team fans. It was fun to hear the crowd roar when the visitors scored and a smattering of applause when the home team scored. Thank you so much for your comments on BYU. I think I speak for most of the fans when I say we are looking forward to playing Baylor. I think it has already become a great rivalry. Please come up to Provo. You will find great hospitality and loud rabid fans who will compliment you when your team does well. We love playing tough opponents. Oh yeah, you have to get a Cougar Trail. It's a 24" maple bar. One more thing, their student section, the ROC or Roar Of Cougars, is one of the best in the nation.
Thank can’t wait to join the Big12. how are y’all doing today? I don’t think the Pac12 would ever invite BYU because of the religious affiliation. And they already have Utah. I love the fact we will be in the Big12 and look forward to seeing all the teams in Provo.
@@bullseye2474 Honestly I’m not sure Cal and Stanford would accept it. I think they would take Boise State and Fresno State before BYU. The Pac12 will play us but they don’t want to associate with us.
@@shortsallyear8602 You might be right, but Stanford and Cal don't have to allow it. At this point when the conference is this desperate, I bet they could get 75% of the schools to agree. The other possible expansion schools for expansion would hurt the TV deal, BYU would add to it. Luckily for BYU and their fans, the Cougars are in a way better spot in the BIG12! Not being invited to the pac is probably one of the best things that ever happened to BYU sports!
BYU fan here, subscription earned for the respectful BYU talk and I completely agree..Baylor v BYU seems like it would be a natural rivalry in the new conference.
Steve Young didn't actually win a Natty with BYU--Robbie Bosco did. Some feel the 1983 team was actually better with Young at QB than the 1984 National Champions, but they lost to none other than Baylor in the first game for their only loss of the season. Great show, gents. Ecstatic to be a part of the Big 12.
I was born and raised in Texas, so I’ve been cheering for Big 12 schools all my life. I’m also a BYU alum, and I can say this video pitches BYU better than BYU pitches BYU. It’s going to be really cool to have all these schools together.
Point of clarification. The average age of the roster at BYU is only a small amount older than usual. Returned missionaries spending 4 years in school will generally graduate at 24 yrs old instead of 22, but there are many non-missionaries on the squad, reducing the average age more than one might expect. So, yes, BYU is generally older but not by a whole lot. I think the biggest advantage age-wise is along the lines. For "skill" players, going on a mission can be a huge detriment, although training techniques have improved over the years to help athletes get their strength and speed back.
Yeah... the part about age--the thing is, if they're really good, guess what they do? Like junior QB Jaren Hall, they declare early for the NFL draft, because they know that going on a mission also shortens their pro careers by two years. And, as far as BYU's storied history of starting quarterbacks goes, they didn't have a successful starting quarterback who was a returned missionary until the 2000-2001 season (well after anyone that you named including Detmer and Sarkisian). There aren't many top wide receivers at BYU who are RM's (returned missionaries), and it's really difficult to name a running back who was; BYU's best ever, Doak Walker Award winner Luke Staley, didn't go on a mission either. Neither did star NFL linebackers Kyle Van Noy and Fred Warner. Where missions might be an advantage is on the offensive line, but, there again, if they're really good, they want to maximize the time they can play professionally, as did John Tait, who was the 14th pick in the 1999 draft as a junior when it was far less common to declare early.
Compete? Sure BYU has been playing a P5-level program for years! Ask the PAC 12 how BYU spanks their storied programs on a very consistent basis year in and year out!!!
Baylor was very excited to get the smaller slower Barrington brothers for their offensive line. BYU may have an elite offensive line with a projected first round pick and other potential NFL players. They are definitely not smaller and slower.
First off, thank you for using the church's full name, much appreciated. Second, y'all need to get off the "they are two years older and that's an advantage" train. All the great players you listed didn't serve a mission. Yes they are more mature but many come back without the same drive to compete. Its not an advantage, if it was you would see the SEC recruiting in Utah...
As a BYU fan, albeit not LDS. I do NOT understand this new name thing! It’s obvious someone in charge doesn’t understand basic communications and public relations. The LDS church (you will never hear me spit out the new name) worked so hard to make the word Mormon have a positive connotation and they largely succeeded! Now they expect everyone to say this ridiculously long name when referring to the church? It makes no sense imo. I love BYU and the Mormon people but sometimes i sure don’t understand them!
You know, that Mission thing that some BYU players do? It’s not really an advantage, physically. Because they’re only allowed 30 minutes of exercise a day and none on Sunday. They walk a lot but they aren’t going to gyms, lifting no weights. But, sure being 2 years older, I can see how that’s an advantage in maturity.
Great podcast. But one BYU correction: Steve Young didn't win a national championship with BYU, though he did set them up for the championship the year before he was drafted.
Lets get the facts straight here. The 2021 PAC-12 football season was the most embarrassing result that a P5 conference has ever had. They had a losing record vs G-5 teams 13-15 They went 0-7 vs BYU and Notre Dame Lost 2 games to division 2 schools. And had a losing record to MWC teams. Also went 2-6 in Bowl games. Oregon beat Ohio State on the road in week 2......which "puffed" up the ducks national ranking early in the season. Ohio State would go on to lose only one more game against Michigan in the final game of the season....which in essence would keep them out of the CFP and to the Rose Bowl. Oregon subsequently lost to a horrible Stanford team a few weeks after beating the buckeyes, but never lost too high of a ranking. Utah had lost to BYU, Oregon State, and San Diego State early in the season before getting hot and besting the Ducks 2 times to even make it to the Rose Bowl. FYI....The Ducks would go on to get smoked by OU in the Alamo bowl after their PAC12 meltdown. With Cincinnati undefeated, and having beaten Notre Dame the CFP was hoping the bearcats would slip up, and lose in the AAC championship game so that the could potentially pit Ohio State and Michigan into the CFP that yesr vs Georgia and Alabama. It didn't happen, and by them "inflating" Oregon's national ranking all year, it made the PAC 12 look more legitimate than what it actually was. Notre Dame, BYU, hell even Iowa deserved to play in the Rose Bowl that year. The Utes blew a 21+ pt halftime lead to Ohio State and the buckeyes were missing 12-14 of their viable starting lineup. The moral of the story is that the CFP has been forced to "inflate" PAC 12 rankings for over a decade to make BIG 10 schools rankings look more relevant. The MWC and the AAC has had more success in football and basketball over the past decade than the pathetic arrogant PAC-12
@@ReisterJP Our Utes had almost as many returned missionaries as BYU that year. Stop the delusional comments and the ridiculous hate. These kind of obnoxious comments are why college football fans absolutely hate our Utes. Again…stop the Hate 🛑
@@ReisterJP My comments had nothing to do with their religion. My comments were about your extremely weak and obnoxious attack on another university. Don’t you have anything worthwhile to do with your life? Best wishes
What was the best expansion decision the Big XII EVER made? I don't take anything away from the addition of BYU which I support 100%. However, slightly over a decade, the Big XII was down to only 8 schools after Mizzou and TAMU bolted for the SEC. The conference was faced with being unable to complete a full schedule for its upcoming football season and comply with its scheduled TV contracts. It needed two worthy Division One schools immediately. The answer was going to court to support WVU's early exit from the floundering Big East football conference. In addition, it supported TCU's decision to breach its agreement to join the Big East. Despite the $20 million settlement with the Big East, the Big XII became a 10 team conference and was able to play a full schedule and comply with TV contracts.
The BYU/Utah rivalry was good because it was chippy, but it defiantly can get out of hand. ...The BYU/TCU rivalry was fun also because it was fun to beat TCU (though we didn't often because they had our #) but that was TOO chippy!! ...it became dirty and disrespectful which breeds hatred. I have really enjoyed the BYU/Baylor games these past 2 years because they've been civil. It's fun to have a rivalry that's civil, but it's also fun sometimes to have a rivalry that gets chippy as long as you don't get dirty or disrespectful. ...what is really cool is to see respect and civility between players, coaches and fans.
By u sucks... Go Utes !!! Just being chippy. Utah will take care of business, bashing the Baylor Bears this year. I will be there Red and ready... Go UTES!!!
@@ronnowlin4223 , yeah I’m sure that’s what you think. Utah fans are just so enjoyable and not at all hated by most of the college football world. Not Arrogant at all! Bless your ❤️
No one listen to this guy. He is an anti-Mormon UTE fan who has been posting on BYU articles/videos/tweets for YEARS! He level of hatred is so sad that he even poses as a byu fan to give us a bad name. Probably has multiple usernames too. But I know this one is him. The infamous Chris B on newspaper articles. Not too smart to use your real name Chris.
Wait until byu and their fans start weighing on you. Poor TV ratings and advertisers can't sell a lot of items when they broadcast byu games. Why ISU fans didn't want them
God forbid you replace the likes of Texas with a quality program. Although now you might have a better chance to win the conference playing whipping boy teams like BYU.😂😂😂
BYU is obviously a great add. But Houston being a R1 institution makes your academic argument nonsense. Plus, Baylor being divisive in this manner is kinda sickening. Baylor is doing great things, but Baylor has zero arguments about athletics. But I get it. It's fear. Baylor just started winning and having to compete with 2 schools in ground zero for recruiting is scary. It's sad..... the Big 12 is finally united and thus is the road you call entertainment.
Being from Houston I am excited about their addition to the big 12!. Houston is a wealthy city that will get behind their university and it will continue to improve.
Calm down. We are ridding the big12 of the toxic virus that is Longhorns,, we don't need them replaced with BYU getting big heads. Not saying BYU is anything like UT, but I've already seen some of their fans actions leaning towards big heads.
Total rip-off on your haircut! Do you like the fact that Many BYU players are 2 years older and still eligible to play football! Because of their missions system.
If a mission was really as helpful as you're saying, everyone would be sending their players on peace corps missions or what not to get the same results. The reason they don't do this? It's not helpful. BYU overcomes a lot to play this carousel every year.
You could have just written “I’m a religious bigot” and left it at that, but the emojis are a nice touch. They make your bigotry even more obvious and who wouldn’t want that?
Great listen, thanks for blowing smoke up our skirts. For me, I’m cautiously optimistic but as much history as the football program has, it’s “what have you done for me lately” and time to show up and be competitive NOW!
You all better hope Utah doesn’t come to the BIG12. They will be a top 1-2 program Immediately. BYU will begin to lose annually again. And Utah fans will enjoy conference titles over the next decade more than any other Big12 team.
@@theoptimist9605 it is not hate speech to call out cults. It is freedom of speech. I never said you don't have the right to be in a cult or I hate you because you are in a cult.
@@ReisterJP Another obnoxious comment? I’m not in any cult. I’m just tired of our fans embarrassing our program with their idiotic comments. Nothing I can do to stop you. Best wishes
Thanks fellas. As a BYU fan I am ecstatic to be part of the Big 12. Feels like a great fit. After decades of longing for the PAC, I wouldn’t trade the Big 12 membership for the PAC for all the root beer in the world.
Would you trade it for all the grape soda?
Wait! How much root beer??? I'll take the Big 12 over the PAC 12 any day.
Great episode. Steve Young was QB at BYU in 1983. The 1984 National Championship team was quarterbacked by Robbie Bosco
Yeah, not many people outside of the BYU community remember Robbie Bosco because he was never more than a backup in the NFL and may never have played a down there. I think he may have been the greatest QB BYU ever produced. He won the national championship in his Junior year, and he was absolutely amazing. Early in the year he made me nervous with all the throws he made into tight coverage, but he was so accurate on those that eventually I just accepted that he knew what he was doing. Unfortunately he was injured pretty badly early in his Senior year. The relatively high level at which he was able to play for the remainder of that season despite having an arm strength not much better than mine is amazing. Seriously, he couldn't throw deep at all anymore and even his mid length passes were high arching wounded ducks. It was amazing that he was able to complete anything in that range, but he did so fairly consistently due to his high passing IQ (and also having good receivers who could get wide open and fight for the ball when necessary). A more ordinary QB would have had a ton of interceptions without being able to throw better than that. I don't believe he ever fully recovered, or he would have been a star in the NFL.
As a BYU fan, Locked on Baylor is by far my favorite of the Big 12. Love the relationship and rivalry that’s blossoming. Keep it up my brothers!
It’s pretty good. Locked on Tech is better. Chris Level is on there and he is like an insiders insider. Dude knows what’s up.
@@nickinportland I’ll check ‘‘em out. Thanks!
Gentlemen, just a heads-up responding to one of your points regarding BYU funding. Although the school is run and operated by the LDS Church, the athletic department does not receive any funding from the church. They are required to be totally self sufficient. They can not build a new facility until it is fully paid for as well as set up to maintain it into perpetuity. How many schools can say that?
I’m a big Baylor fan. The two recent games between Baylor and BYU have been great!
Hopefully BYU can weather the superior competition of the Big12 and represent the conference well.
I agree, BYU will have a tough time adapting physically in year 1 and 2, but I think the exposure will help with recruiting in future years.
I’m a byu fan. I agree, it’s going to be tough. Scared but excited because byu tends to surprise us, both by sucking more than they should and also playing better than expected and beating harder teams.
BYU vs. Baylor would be a great rivalry. Love it!
We are so stoked. Additionally, we are so glad to be in a conference with Baylor. A rivalry with respect and enthusiasm, Baylor to us is the best and classiest school in the new Big XII. We do not dislike any of the new Big 12 teams, we know that TCU is a little troubled with us but we will do our best to win them over without animosity.
Psh they ain’t that classy 🙄😂
@@nickinportland They certainly have been for BYU.
@@Paysoncougarfan.7885 don’t encourage them they’ve had it too good for too long 😂. You will see.
As a BYU fan I’ve been a fan of TCU for over a decade. I have no idea what you’re talking about. All of the Big12 teams fans have been great, but TCU fans have been the most welcoming I’ve seen so far.
BYU was the one I was most happy about adding. There is no denying they are a large and well known brand. Gives you Notre Dame vibes almost.
BYU IS GONNA BE UR DADDY!GO COUGS!
FYI @nickinportland or anyone who may read this later. Utah fans like ChrisBailey996 will go all around social media making idiotic comments while pretending to be BYU fans. If you look at his subscriptions, he doesn’t follow any BYU channels, but he does follow “Utah Utes football digest.” Just keep that in mind when you see moronic comments from supposed BYU fans. Not always, but surprisingly often, it is a Utah fan trying to make us look bad. Unfortunately this is a thing they do from their moms’ basements.
Nick, please ignor Chris Bailey. He is a Ute fan that has been posting on byu articles for YEARS, with his anti-Mormon sentiment. He is NOT a byu fan. We aren’t stupid enough to think we will be anyone’s daddy in the Big 12.
BYU is no Notre Dame. 😂😂
So happy BYU is with Baylor in the big12, such great religious schools! So rare to have great religious universities showing it can be done during these times.
Great video. One note - while Steve Young led BYU to the first 11 games of the winning streak from 1983 to 1985, he graduated and it was Robbie Bosco that QBed the 1984 national championship team. Bosco was a tremendous big game QB, he led upsets of #3 Pitt in 1984, #4 Air Force in 1985 and 1985 wins over 1984 top 5 teams Washington and Boston College. And the national championship win over Michigan.
Ok, I listened to your podcast and now I am convinced - a Baylor v BYU rivalry would add a lot of excitement to to Big 12 conference. Sounds particularly fun thinking of stadiums packed people wearing Baptists vs Mormon T-shirts. Rabid fans backing strong teams but without the toxic behavior that mar some rivalries makes for an absolutely top tier college football matchup.
Hugs and handshakes before, insane support for your team, hugs and handshakes after.
Re: OK and TX, BYU is 4-1 vs TX and 2-0 vs OK all-time. BYU plays at TX and has OK in Provo this year. TY and Go Bears.
Hey guys, I've thoroughly enjoyed your pod casts! I will turn 69 in 12 days and I was a freshman at BYU in 1973. The first football game I went to in Provo was kind of like a glorified high school game, lol. The stadium was smaller and everyone was just walking around the base of the stadium seats looking to meet someone to date. That changed quickly when all of a sudden BYU started turning heads towards the football field with this amazing quarterback named Gary Sheide! I went to Mt. Diablo High School in Concord, CA and Gary had played at Antioch High School, one of Mt. Diablo's biggest rivals. I suddenly became BYU's biggest football fan! Just walking around the BYU campus over the years, I saw so many well known BYU football players in class, walking to class, etc! One day, I was at the bank behind some guy getting cash out of the ATM. He turned around and it was Steve Young. He said hi and then proceeded to get into his old beat up car. My cousin was Ty Detmer's roommate and got me a autographed football with the entire team's signatures. By the way, my cousin is Eric Mortensen who returned a kickoff 100 yards for a touchdown against Utah State! My wife and I ran into Robbie Bosco at the grocery store. My wife and I moved into a home in the hills and Cary Whittingham and his brothers would play basketball on the court in the back yard. It was the same neighborhood that Lavell Edwards and his wife lived in. Sorry to ramble, but I agree with you guys, BYU was definitely a smart choice to be asked to join the Big 12. We may not win too many games right off, but that will change, I promise you! Baylor is a great school that I have always admired and I've loved every football game BYU has had with the Bears. By the way guys, BYU and Baylor are 2 and 2 against each other in football, so we're kind of starting off with a clean slate! Can't wait for the next time BYU and Baylor meet!
Hey I’m 67 and can totally relate. I’m not LDS but graduated from BYU in 1984 after falling in love with BYU and the Mormon people. Oh, and BYU football of course. 😀
I agree. I think adding BYU helped save our conference. In addition, I think the Woke PAC 10 President’s decision to not add BYU may be the reason they don’t survive. Absolutely Hilarious 😅
Not nearly as hilarious as you are.
I agree
I love the content! Thx for talking about BYU! ❤
This is something I've told people before, but not because BYU, of itself, is the difference-maker, but rather that the Pac-10 leadership's decision to do away with decades of history as a conference with state or regional rivalries across the board may ultimately have been the difference in the Pac-12 not being of sufficient interest nationally to keep USC involved. Let's say that Nevada (UNR) and UNLV were two strong sports schools. They then would have been the next natural candidates to invite, as had been Arizona and Arizona State to expand from the Pac-8. Since that wasn't the case, the next logical choices would have been Utah and BYU; Colorado geographically would seriously be stretching the idea of a "Pacific" conference. Yes, the idea to invite Texas and Oklahoma (plus coattails) was a bold attempt, but lacked a viable backup plan, especially after they chose to invite Colorado as a standalone to prevent the Texas Legislature from packaging religious school Baylor with the other Texas schools. With Colorado immediately accepting, the Pac leadership painted themselves into a corner that would have only been resolved with UT and OU accepting. They didn't, and the Pac went to their consolation prize of... Utah.
The funny thing is, Utah kept getting better, and finally good enough to win the whole conference when traditional leaders USC, Oregon, and Washington were off their games--remember, Utah, who lost to Oregon, doesn't even get in to the conference championship game this year if Oregon can manage to beat Oregon State.
But Colorado barely made a blip on the radar since the time they were invited. There was never any real rivalry between them and Utah; a comparison of Utah fans on BYU discussions versus those of Colorado readily bears that out. And the conference has been in a malaise for years.
But imagine if BYU were there instead of Colorado. BYU, who beat its share of P5 teams during its independent years, certainly would have been able to compete at a much higher level than Colorado did with the same access to all of the money and recruiting advantages that goes with Pac-12 membership. And, heaven forbid that BYU actually competed for a conference title as Utah did; I think that would have lit a competitive fire under the leadership of the schools that were so adamantly against a religious school being in the conference. The point is that with two very competitive programs who were also bitter rivals being in the Pac-12, the conference would have been in a far better place from a network contract standpoint, and USC likely wouldn't have done the unthinkable to jump to a conference mostly in the eastern half of the country.
Love that PAC snubbed their noses at BYU and now they're in BAD shape. Hope they dissolve into obscurity.
BYU did knock on the pac12 door and was denied. The pac12 didn't want religious schools in their conference and chalked it up to "academics" even though BYU is stronger than Utah in that regard.
In fairness, Utah has a medical school. BYU does not. Each year, Utah receives more dollars in research grants than does BYU (and, therefore, publishes more academic papers than does BYU). From that perspective, Utah can be viewed as having better academics than BYU. However, BYU's incoming freshman class has better test scores and better grades than does the U's freshman class. From that perspective, BYU can be seen as more academic. It's certainly tougher to get into.
Having said that, Chris is correct: BYU was rejected by the PAC12 because the rest of the schools didn't want a religious institution (particularly one that acts like a religious institution) to join their ranks. Pointing to BYU's lack of academics was just a fig leaf.
Let's be honest BYU has a history of beating most of the PAC 12 teams anyway. It was only 2 or 3 seasons ago when BYU beat a significant number of Pac12 teams in a single season to the point that they should have been named Pac12 champions.
@@sgsheffbyu had 1 good season against the PAC lol. There’s no history of victory against the pac for byu. They have a losing record against P5 teams. Even when Lavell coached. Be real dude.
@@aleniafuvai that's absolutely not true. Within the last 5-10 years BYU has beaten more Pac12 teams than have beaten BYU. Lavell stopped coaching over two decades ago. The Pac12 simply isn't that great of a conference anymore. USC and Oregon aren't what they used to be and USC is only getting better again because they got a great Big 12 coach and some of his star players. The Pac12 is the worst of the power 5 conferences and gets destroyed in bowl games every year by other conferences. BYU has done well against p 5 conference teams under the current coaching staff and regularly has had some of the most difficult schedules in the country. Most Pac12 teams have some of the weakest schedules in the country. BYU is consistently looking for more difficult competition to play against year over year win or lose while the Pac12 seems to do the exact opposite with its teams. Not to mention the fact that the Pac12 requires Pac12 refs to do any game played against a team from a different conference and everyone knows that the Pac12 refs are the worst in the country with crazy blunders. The trajectory of the Pac12 just doesn't look good right now and everyone can see it. The fact that CU is the program in the conference with the most excitement and hype around it is embarrassing.
@@aleniafuvai....... Why do you make claims you know are false? Where is the illustrious past of Utah? What does Utah offer any conference?
BYU controls the state of Utah so there is no need for Utah. When has Utah ever brought value to the pac the way BYU brings value to the Big 12?
Utah was dead in the water until the Olympics came along and money was funneled directly into the University to save it from bankruptcy....... you can thank Mitt Romney for that.
You all do a great job! Started following last year ahead of the BYU v Baylor game.
It’s so refreshing to find genuine people with objective points of view. So finding respect for BYU is pretty cool and it’s easy to embrace what Baylor is all about as a result.
Check out the history of the West Coast office. The fact that it’s not that old is amazing to me and to see how Reid, Holmgren, Billick, Norm Chow evolved from having been a part of the Lavell Edwards system is worth researching.
They did it (evolved) to compete with less talent. And what it’s become now is just awesome.
Dude! Thanks! I predict that BYU-Baylor will develop one of the best rivalries in the new Big12, and it will be one of respect.
Ok, 26 and 27 year olds on the BYU team? FYI, the average age of the BYU team is 21.4 years. I did enjoy the podcast about BYU -- VERY MUCH! You two did a great job. Plus, Baylor has a couple of former BYU players as well as two former BYU coaches. I hope it becomes a great rivalry.
Man, well we freaking love Baylor. I went to the game last year and their where awesome visitors
Fun fact: BYU was in the first nationally televised college football game.
Correction: BYU vs. Pitt in 1984 was the first game televised live on ESPN
After decades of hating the stinking Utes, I'd love to have a brotherly rival built on respect and competition with Baylor.
You mean you are tired of getting spanked by Utah?
@@ckstaff This is why everyone laughs at you. Everyone in college football hates our fans because of obnoxious and delusional fans like YOU. Stop the Hate!!🛑
@@ckstaff This is why everyone laughs at you little buddy. College football fans absolutely hate our fans because of Obnoxious and Delusional fans like you. Stop the Hate 🛑
Yup, not fun losing to utah, though most of the games were very competitive. Utah had a huge advantage being part of the pac. BYU admirably did as best as they could in independence. Things will get better for BYU!
@@ckstaffjust plain tired of the Utes
As a byu fan I actually followed this channel after the last time they played mostly because of the mutual respect the players showed each other. Love you guys and I'm rooting for Baylor unless they play byu.
Rooting for Baylor in every game but one!
Toll-BYU fan here leaving you an algo-boosting comment. As for academics, as a BYU Law alum, I have to remind Harper we have the #22 ranked law school in the country too. Excited to hear you on Jake’s show again soon.
Thanks for doing your homework on BYU guys. Nice to hear you bring up so many past accomplishments in BYU history. And I also have always believed in that same pendulum theory you mentioned and I think BYU will rise to the top of the conference at some point. One minor note, it was Robbie Bosco at QB who won the natty in 84, Steve Young graduated in 83. But otherwise you were spot on in your analysis. Highly enjoyable!
Byu fan here! Love the content man. Best of luck to Baylor this year. Say hi to Grimes and the Barrington bros for me 😂
Cougar Nation is extremely excited to be in the Big XII ! I think BYU does add a lot to the conference and hope they can compete right away. Thanks, guys for the show.
Just for clarification, none of LDS church member tithing or other contributions go toward athletics, nor money donated to academics.
The Athletic Dept has been operating at about $12-15M annual budget. Cantvwait to see what they can do with $50M a few years from now when they get a full share.
The Utes no longer have a P5 advantage nor $$$. And I'll say BYU couldnt be happier to join the Big XII.
Love the budding rivalry with Baylor. Nice clean, strong competitor, even if they do swipe our bball and football players and coaches. 😊
So pumped to see this rivalry grow over the years. Thanks for hyping it up.
Love those mountains in the background of your stadium shot!!
Great podcast! Soooo excited to be a part of the Big 12 officially! One minor pushback I would give is the "level of competition" argument for the Directors Cup. BYU plays in the most competitive "leagues" for non-tv sports that you can find and regularly win/compete (Volleyball, Track and Field, Golf, etc.).
It is true, BYU basketball and baseball have taken a step back in the WCC, (I would argue that the MWC was better for both of those sports) and BYU has been hit-and-miss in independence in football. Those programs should surge again to national prominence with the **large** recruiting bump BYU is getting from Big 12 membership and real-deal P5 status.
And the 26-27 year old argument is so old, and so tired at this point. In the "one-and-done" world that we live in, taking two years off from your sport creates serious disadvantages to your body and training versus the admitted benefit of having a mind that is two years older. If it was such an advantage, every other college would do it. LDS talent would get a premium boost to recruitment, which they don't, and unestablished schools would want their kids to perform service missions to bulk them up and build them up to competition levels, which they don't.
Yep, in most cases, missionaries are limited to one day a week (Preparation Day) where they're able to work out.
Most missionaries return underweight and out of shape. BYU coaches and staff have seen returning missionaries get hurt at a higher rate, which is one reason they prefer to grayshirt incoming returned missionaries.
Have to get their "sea legs" back under them.
I would love to have a yearly rivalry game with Baylor. It would be the friendliest rivalry in history (I love Baylor).
"The most rabid and sober!" LOL. I think BYU will be competitive yes, but depth will be their challenge for the first few years.
BYU IS A LEGENDRARY PROGRAM. WILL WIN BIG !2
Just so everyone here knows.... this Chris Bailey guy pretends to be a BYU fan but is really a Ute who's been an active BYU hater for at least a decade. Guy's got serious issues. Never pay attention to Utes like him.
Depth has certainly been the issue up until now. I’m hoping Big12 recruiting will help but I agree it’s gonna take a few years.
Imagine being this Chris Bailey guy, hanging out on an opposing team’s conference Utube video comments section! BYU obviously lives rent free in this guys head! Hilarious!
Steve Young didn’t win a national championship in college but he did win the Super Bowl. Robbie Bosco was the QB at BYU for the national championship.
One of the things I really look forward to in the B12 is Baylor. Really hope that rivalry develops.
Drake I hope you get to come out to the Marriott center and catch a basketball game sometime. Even on a down year, the atmosphere there is absolutely electric. We can't wait to be in the big 12 with y'all!
LaVell Edwards Stadium is one of the great venues in football. The Marriott Center is one of the great venues in basketball. The student section, the ROC, To Roar Of Cougars is always one of the best in the nation.
Thrilled to be B12
You won’t be disappointed.
Go Y!
YES! 100% agree on the glass windows in the press box that don’t open. Man as a lifelong BYU fan, those have bothered me for years. Hoping with this Big 12 money we can finally upgrade our press box and suites! It’s much needed.
Love the compliments. Can you please take a look at the average age of BYU players though. I think you’ll find the age difference minimal. Also you’ll find the mission experience not conducive for college sports
It was a joke!!!!
Thanks for mentioning ALL sports. BYU has been National Champions in the following sports: Football, Men's and Women's Volley Ball (multiple times), Women's Soccer (at least twice), Men and Women's Cross Country. They have been ranked in Softball and Gymnastics. They are very competitive in golf and tennis. As for club sports, they have the best Men and Women's Rugby Teams in the Nation. An excellent Lacrosse team.
As for peripheral support, their dance team has been National Champions for many years, just watch when they go out on the field. AND, they have the best mascot in all of collegiate or professional sports. Look up Cosmo the Cougar. He can dance and he does the most athletic and insane stunts. You really need to look him up. He WILL blow your mind.
Finally, and this has been mentioned before, they have an amazing fan base. Wherever they go, you will see a sea of blue. When they played Oklahoma in Cowboy Stadium, it was equally red and blue. When we were playing basketball in the West Coast Conference, there were usually more BYU fans than home team fans. It was fun to hear the crowd roar when the visitors scored and a smattering of applause when the home team scored.
Thank you so much for your comments on BYU. I think I speak for most of the fans when I say we are looking forward to playing Baylor. I think it has already become a great rivalry. Please come up to Provo. You will find great hospitality and loud rabid fans who will compliment you when your team does well. We love playing tough opponents. Oh yeah, you have to get a Cougar Trail. It's a 24" maple bar.
One more thing, their student section, the ROC or Roar Of Cougars, is one of the best in the nation.
We are just grateful to be here! Thanks for sending some BYU love! Go cougs!
BYU vs Baylor = The New Holy War
PAC 12 would have never let BYU in with their disdain for religious schools
Thank can’t wait to join the Big12. how are y’all doing today? I don’t think the Pac12 would ever invite BYU because of the religious affiliation. And they already have Utah. I love the fact we will be in the Big12 and look forward to seeing all the teams in Provo.
I'm pretty sure that right now the pac would look past the religion and conservative lifestyle and add BYU, but only out of complete desperation!
@@bullseye2474 Honestly I’m not sure Cal and Stanford would accept it. I think they would take Boise State and Fresno State before BYU. The Pac12 will play us but they don’t want to associate with us.
@@shortsallyear8602 You might be right, but Stanford and Cal don't have to allow it. At this point when the conference is this desperate, I bet they could get 75% of the schools to agree. The other possible expansion schools for expansion would hurt the TV deal, BYU would add to it. Luckily for BYU and their fans, the Cougars are in a way better spot in the BIG12! Not being invited to the pac is probably one of the best things that ever happened to BYU sports!
@@bullseye2474 I agree with everything you say and I’m thrilled the BYU is in the Big12 and I hope Utah stays in the Pac12.
Great show…love my cougs!!!
I think BYU and Baylor will be frenemies, like BYU and Utah were for so many years, and I'm happy about that. Go Cougars, go Bears, and screw Utah!
Speaking of Sammy Baugh, byu had 7 Sammy Baugh trophy winners.
I think Baylor is a great university and they were one of the first to welcome BYU to the Big 12. Very happy to be in the same conference as Baylor
BYU fan here, subscription earned for the respectful BYU talk and I completely agree..Baylor v BYU seems like it would be a natural rivalry in the new conference.
Steve Young didn't win a national champion. He won Super Bowls.
Steve Young didn't actually win a Natty with BYU--Robbie Bosco did. Some feel the 1983 team was actually better with Young at QB than the 1984 National Champions, but they lost to none other than Baylor in the first game for their only loss of the season. Great show, gents. Ecstatic to be a part of the Big 12.
as a byu fan im stoked to be playing in the best conference. the baylor vs byu games are going to be amazing!
Excellent content guys. Thx for the kind words.
BYU was a big part of getting the media deal done early.
I was born and raised in Texas, so I’ve been cheering for Big 12 schools all my life. I’m also a BYU alum, and I can say this video pitches BYU better than BYU pitches BYU. It’s going to be really cool to have all these schools together.
I think Baylor/BYU rivalry can be a very healthy and strong competitively. Both have classy programs and have a respect for each other.
Point of clarification. The average age of the roster at BYU is only a small amount older than usual. Returned missionaries spending 4 years in school will generally graduate at 24 yrs old instead of 22, but there are many non-missionaries on the squad, reducing the average age more than one might expect. So, yes, BYU is generally older but not by a whole lot. I think the biggest advantage age-wise is along the lines. For "skill" players, going on a mission can be a huge detriment, although training techniques have improved over the years to help athletes get their strength and speed back.
Love the show guys!
Yeah... the part about age--the thing is, if they're really good, guess what they do? Like junior QB Jaren Hall, they declare early for the NFL draft, because they know that going on a mission also shortens their pro careers by two years. And, as far as BYU's storied history of starting quarterbacks goes, they didn't have a successful starting quarterback who was a returned missionary until the 2000-2001 season (well after anyone that you named including Detmer and Sarkisian). There aren't many top wide receivers at BYU who are RM's (returned missionaries), and it's really difficult to name a running back who was; BYU's best ever, Doak Walker Award winner Luke Staley, didn't go on a mission either. Neither did star NFL linebackers Kyle Van Noy and Fred Warner. Where missions might be an advantage is on the offensive line, but, there again, if they're really good, they want to maximize the time they can play professionally, as did John Tait, who was the 14th pick in the 1999 draft as a junior when it was far less common to declare early.
Drake bringing the energy as always!.. and puns this time 😅 Good stuff guys. Go BigXII!🤙🏼
Compete? Sure BYU has been playing a P5-level program for years! Ask the PAC 12 how BYU spanks their storied programs on a very consistent basis year in and year out!!!
BYU has great facilities. The athletic facilities are as good as any in the Big 12!
Most picturesque stadiums by far!!!
I hope you come to UCF for the Baylor game. I think it will change your mind on UCF. I agree, BYU is an awesome addition to the conference.
Just a correction. Steve young was third in Heisman voting but graduated in 1983. It was junior, Robbie Bosco who won the national title in 1984.
the battle of bible bros. the friendliest rivalry in college football
“Holy WAR” - Gets new meal !!
Baylor n TCU !!!
L👀kin FORWARD !!!!!🏀🏈⚾️
Baylor was very excited to get the smaller slower Barrington brothers for their offensive line. BYU may have an elite offensive line with a projected first round pick and other potential NFL players. They are definitely not smaller and slower.
BYU and TCU are old rivals from the Mountain West conference.
I’m a BYU fan that loves TCU. Brings back old memories!
@RohoSombrero they had some good games between them in the Mountain West. Looking forward to seeing more good games between them in the future.
First off, thank you for using the church's full name, much appreciated.
Second, y'all need to get off the "they are two years older and that's an advantage" train. All the great players you listed didn't serve a mission. Yes they are more mature but many come back without the same drive to compete. Its not an advantage, if it was you would see the SEC recruiting in Utah...
As a BYU fan, albeit not LDS. I do NOT understand this new name thing! It’s obvious someone in charge doesn’t understand basic communications and public relations. The LDS church (you will never hear me spit out the new name) worked so hard to make the word Mormon have a positive connotation and they largely succeeded! Now they expect everyone to say this ridiculously long name when referring to the church? It makes no sense imo. I love BYU and the Mormon people but sometimes i sure don’t understand them!
Nice play on the "holyistic" vs holistic! :) And for prophet vs for profit sports
It could help the Big 12 expand west and poach some of the fizzling PAC 12 schools to form a good Mountain/Pacific Time Zone division.
You know, that Mission thing that some BYU players do? It’s not really an advantage, physically. Because they’re only allowed 30 minutes of exercise a day and none on Sunday. They walk a lot but they aren’t going to gyms, lifting no weights. But, sure being 2 years older, I can see how that’s an advantage in maturity.
Great podcast. But one BYU correction: Steve Young didn't win a national championship with BYU, though he did set them up for the championship the year before he was drafted.
BYUs football team’s average age is 21.5 they’re not that old
Lets get the facts straight here.
The 2021 PAC-12 football season was the most embarrassing result that a P5 conference has ever had.
They had a losing record vs G-5 teams 13-15
They went 0-7 vs BYU and Notre Dame
Lost 2 games to division 2 schools.
And had a losing record to MWC teams.
Also went 2-6 in Bowl games.
Oregon beat Ohio State on the road in week 2......which "puffed" up the ducks national ranking early in the season.
Ohio State would go on to lose only one more game against Michigan in the final game of the season....which in essence would keep them out of the CFP and to the Rose Bowl.
Oregon subsequently lost to a horrible Stanford team a few weeks after beating the buckeyes, but never lost too high of a ranking.
Utah had lost to BYU, Oregon State, and San Diego State early in the season before getting hot and besting the Ducks 2 times to even make it to the Rose Bowl.
FYI....The Ducks would go on to get smoked by OU in the Alamo bowl after their PAC12 meltdown.
With Cincinnati undefeated, and having beaten Notre Dame the CFP was hoping the bearcats would slip up, and lose in the AAC championship game so that the could potentially pit Ohio State and Michigan into the CFP that yesr vs Georgia and Alabama.
It didn't happen, and by them "inflating" Oregon's national ranking all year, it made the PAC 12 look more legitimate than what it actually was.
Notre Dame, BYU, hell even Iowa deserved to play in the Rose Bowl that year.
The Utes blew a 21+ pt halftime lead to Ohio State and the buckeyes were missing 12-14 of their viable starting lineup.
The moral of the story is that the CFP has been forced to "inflate" PAC 12 rankings for over a decade to make BIG 10 schools rankings look more relevant. The MWC and the AAC has had more success in football and basketball over the past decade than the pathetic arrogant PAC-12
Enrollment is actually 33k to 35k undergrad students.
I wonder how long the bromance between Baylor and BYU will last...
disadvantage, guys go on missions and lose it, get out of shape, and at least half never get it back.
BYU football players aren't significantly older. look it up.
They got that from when they cheated in 84 and used grown men.
@@ReisterJP Our Utes had almost as many returned missionaries as BYU that year. Stop the delusional comments and the ridiculous hate. These kind of obnoxious comments are why college football fans absolutely hate our Utes. Again…stop the Hate 🛑
@@theoptimist9605 you must be the LDS taliban.
@@ReisterJP My comments had nothing to do with their religion. My comments were about your extremely weak and obnoxious attack on another university. Don’t you have anything worthwhile to do with your life? Best wishes
@@ReisterJP Cheated implies they broke the rules. What tile did they break in ‘84?
Is BYU recruiting Joes kid jack Germaine?
What was the best expansion decision the Big XII EVER made? I don't take anything away from the addition of BYU which I support 100%. However, slightly over a decade, the Big XII was down to only 8 schools after Mizzou and TAMU bolted for the SEC. The conference was faced with being unable to complete a full schedule for its upcoming football season and comply with its scheduled TV contracts. It needed two worthy Division One schools immediately. The answer was going to court to support WVU's early exit from the floundering Big East football conference. In addition, it supported TCU's decision to breach its agreement to join the Big East. Despite the $20 million settlement with the Big East, the Big XII became a 10 team conference and was able to play a full schedule and comply with TV contracts.
Don’t let Utah fans hear you. They’ll be so upset 😂
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The BYU/Utah rivalry was good because it was chippy, but it defiantly can get out of hand. ...The BYU/TCU rivalry was fun also because it was fun to beat TCU (though we didn't often because they had our #) but that was TOO chippy!! ...it became dirty and disrespectful which breeds hatred. I have really enjoyed the BYU/Baylor games these past 2 years because they've been civil. It's fun to have a rivalry that's civil, but it's also fun sometimes to have a rivalry that gets chippy as long as you don't get dirty or disrespectful. ...what is really cool is to see respect and civility between players, coaches and fans.
By u sucks... Go Utes !!! Just being chippy. Utah will take care of business, bashing the Baylor Bears this year. I will be there Red and ready... Go UTES!!!
@@ronnowlin4223 , yeah I’m sure that’s what you think. Utah fans are just so enjoyable and not at all hated by most of the college football world. Not
Arrogant at all! Bless your ❤️
Just to correct the error. Pac 12 turned down BYU.
Religious bigotry in the fact they don't play on Sunday because of religious beliefs.
BYU IS TEH BEST FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE NEW BIG !@!!!! NEXT YEARS CHAM
No one listen to this guy. He is an anti-Mormon UTE fan who has been posting on BYU articles/videos/tweets for YEARS! He level of hatred is so sad that he even poses as a byu fan to give us a bad name. Probably has multiple usernames too. But I know this one is him. The infamous Chris B on newspaper articles. Not too smart to use your real name Chris.
Wait until byu and their fans start weighing on you. Poor TV ratings and advertisers can't sell a lot of items when they broadcast byu games. Why ISU fans didn't want them
Glad they were added for sure. But slow your roll, Cowboy. The TCU addition was the best addition until proven otherwise.
Going to be sweet when Utah joins the XII & the holy war comes back.
God forbid you replace the likes of Texas with a quality program. Although now you might have a better chance to win the conference playing whipping boy teams like BYU.😂😂😂
BYU is 5-1 against Texas but whatever you have to tell yourself to keep the hate flowing. Oh also, BYU is 2-0 against Oklahoma.
BYU is obviously a great add. But Houston being a R1 institution makes your academic argument nonsense. Plus, Baylor being divisive in this manner is kinda sickening. Baylor is doing great things, but Baylor has zero arguments about athletics. But I get it. It's fear. Baylor just started winning and having to compete with 2 schools in ground zero for recruiting is scary. It's sad..... the Big 12 is finally united and thus is the road you call entertainment.
Being from Houston I am excited about their addition to the big 12!. Houston is a wealthy city that will get behind their university and it will continue to improve.
Calm down. We are ridding the big12 of the toxic virus that is Longhorns,, we don't need them replaced with BYU getting big heads. Not saying BYU is anything like UT, but I've already seen some of their fans actions leaning towards big heads.
Total rip-off on your haircut!
Do you like the fact that Many BYU players are 2 years older and still eligible to play football! Because of their missions system.
If a mission was really as helpful as you're saying, everyone would be sending their players on peace corps missions or what not to get the same results. The reason they don't do this? It's not helpful. BYU overcomes a lot to play this carousel every year.
So the big 12 will be the conference known as both Christian and Mormon schools? 😂😂😂😂
You could have just written “I’m a religious bigot” and left it at that, but the emojis are a nice touch. They make your bigotry even more obvious and who wouldn’t want that?
Great listen, thanks for blowing smoke up our skirts. For me, I’m cautiously optimistic but as much history as the football program has, it’s “what have you done for me lately” and time to show up and be competitive NOW!
You all better hope Utah doesn’t come to the BIG12. They will be a top 1-2 program
Immediately. BYU will begin to lose annually again. And Utah fans will enjoy conference titles over the next decade more than any other Big12 team.
BYU will be independent again by 2030
"My cult is going to beat your cult"
Stop the Crazy Hate Speech 🛑
@@theoptimist9605 it is not hate speech to call out cults. It is freedom of speech. I never said you don't have the right to be in a cult or I hate you because you are in a cult.
@@ReisterJP Another obnoxious comment? I’m not in any cult. I’m just tired of our fans embarrassing our program with their idiotic comments. Nothing I can do to stop you. Best wishes
your program embarrasses itself. The Utes are garbage may as well be UTEP.