7 reasons I'm STILL Protestant - KingdomCraft
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/ @theotherpaul
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It is thanks to your videos that I, who otherwise would have become catholic, have become a Protestant.
Based
RZ is the reason I became Catholic when I otherwise would've been protestant.
Based. He’s the reason I became Presbyterian.
Ironically he helped me to become Baptist ( i know, i am very weird😅)
@@jamesgarlick4573 are you latin catholic or eastern catholic?
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36:56 Reason 7
Thank you 🙏
Going to church for the first time in two years thanks to your vids! Thanks!
@justfilms9077 God bless!
Jesus died on the cross paying the price for our sins, put your trust in him and you will receive the Holy Spirit a down payment on your salvation and bear fruit to the glory of God We are not saved by good works but for good works, I really hope you have an amazing fruitful journey with Jesus man I love you❤
@ thank you! The church went super well! I look forward to attending next week!
Bro says he quits Protestant apologetics then he makes his best Protestant apologetics video ever.
If this is his best "apologetics" video, I can see why people declare him as a machine that makes Catholics out of protestants.
Almost all are just emotional appeals
@@mentalious some are blasphemous and apalling.
He tries to deny Christs role in the world, tries to equate heretics with saints and however effective, the goal of this video is to convince people to not join Christ his church but a heretical sect.
Thats the Devils work and he uses the Devils methods to get their.
Lying, denying (Christ) and deceiving.
Heretical lies in this video:
"God didnt start a church, Constantine and the reformers did, roman Catholicism is just the Roman state religion, just like protestant sects.
"Church history isn't a battle of good and evil with villains and heroes, its a academic debate to which we protestants believe no definitive answer can be given, since we dont believe God has a active role in his church."
"Gods kingdom grows because of division"
"Different denominations for different countries"
This is so incredibly dumb, "the reason Baptist dont baptize babys and hate Catholics is because they're English"
Or: because im German, it would be better for me and my country to believe certain sinfull things.
Im starting to wonder of this guy even believes in God.
To zoomer, God is a far away concept with no opinions of his own, if it sounds rational in the mind of zoomer, God must think so too inspite of all the evidence.
To zoomer disunity and theological differences are rational and good, so God must believe the same right? Inspite all the evidence to the contrary.
Yes Jesus claims he started a church, but dont you know redeemed zoomer doesnt think that church was as United in theology and authority so why listen to Jesus?
Why listen to Jesus and the people he elected to serve him when you can listen to a fat drunk German, bad mouthing Jesus and his mother.
You have to be insanely arrogant to be a protestant.
It’s a Trojan horse. Says it’s not apologetic while being extremely apologetic 😂
bro was predestined to make this video
Bro was
I'm predestined to write this comment... Don't mind it, it's just what I'm supposed to do
@@rovmatthewalways the Eastern Orthodox with the only root-filled logic.
I just received that icon today as a gift before. Painted by Apostle Luke…
These people , lord show them the way, will not understand what a full calendar year of orthdoxy can do.
yea, and glory be to God for it!
@ guys chill its a joke lol, I said that with love
Great video RZ! You are helping my “I joined the wrong church empire so I will be burnt” angst! Love the discussion on shame vs guilt! Protestantism is great as long as we don’t become decadent libs.
i was online on the server when you were filming this, i GOTTA be somewhere there!!!
edit: just saw myself hahah
How did bro not get his comment liked?
haha me too!
@@DiamondDoggo. Dude, no way. I'm Macaius_DeVarmia, the guy you helped at the start!!
@solidarnosc14 hey Macaius!! No problem, hope to see you back soon!
@@DiamondDoggo. haha, thanks for all those emeralds you gave me, i have full tools and armor now. see you soon
Different denominations and traditions of the faith are how the Gospel is applied in different cultures. Fascinating idea!
Agreed
Shallow idea, simply untrue.
To hold this position, you have to hold that there is no correct way to interpret Scripture, making God unclear, 1 voor 14:33 "God is not the author of confusion"
It also equates the truth with falsehood, thus blurring the line between what is of God and is not of God. That seems to me, more like the work of the lord of deception..
@peterubbels2385 I'm not sure I completely agree with it, but I've never heard it before and it's still a fascinating idea. I'm assuming you're Catholic based on your response?
Lies. Schism is heresy
@NorthumbrianNationalist I'm not sure I totally agree with it, but it’s still an interesting idea. Just curious, are you Catholic or Orthodox?
Carmelites, a Catholic religious order, venerate St Elijah from the old testament. Catholics do have old testament saints.
We also pray to them in the Litany of the Saints.
How do you make sense of that?
@@pedroguimaraes6094 The Harrowing of Hell.
why venerate saints when you have Jesus
@@dohope4554 "why go to church when you can pray at home" ahh reasoning
"why use a rosary when you can use your fingers" ahh blud
"why have a bible instead of just praying to Jesus" ahh comment
"why do you need religion when a relationship is enough" ahh protestant
The answer to all of them is the same. It helps us get closer to Christ, in the same way doing good deeds brings us closer to God.
Edit: I love my Prot zoomers. This isn't meant to be malicious lol, in the end, we're one in Christ. God bless!
Twenty-something years ago I met a Hungarian Jewish lady in a Budapest hospital who was an Auschwitz survivor (she was deported from the town of Szeged at the age of 16). She told me that the sole thig that helped her survive was Isaiah 53: she knew that it was a prophecy about Jesus and she kept reciting it silently over and over and thinking about the Passion of Jesus while in the Auschwitz prison camp.
Great video, Mr. Ackerman
levi?
I think it’s also important to note that ALL non-heretical denominations have helped better the society talked about from Abraham “I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.””
Genesis 12:3 NRSV
"non heretical denominations" is a oxymoron.
People have died to stop some of your "non heretical denominations" and all prot denoms have killed Catholics in other words: Gods faithful...
@ and the Catholic Church never wrongfully executed people ever
@@peterubbels2385 the core of the Christianity is the Gospel and the holy Trinity redeemed zoomer has a video about theological triage
30:20 Dude, we do refer to Abraham as Saint Abraham the Patriarch.
It'a just because we focus on the 1st and 2nd centuries martyrs, but one thing doesn't exclude the other.
God bless!
Thank you RZ for making me Orthodox
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@@traviswilson36 Excuse me sir?
Thanks for this. I'm a new Christian and worship in the Anglican tradition. Looind at online Christian content , i sometimes feel like i need to be Catholic or Orthadox. I am quite drawn to the Orthadox Church. On the other hand, I love my church, and don't know if I would be content in a community that excludes so many others. It's nice to hear you perspective.
Same
I am going Catholic but I love Anglicans.
*Orthodox
Gavin Ortlund somehow holding the weight of protestantism on his shoulders: 🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣
Ortlund is the best!
The Bible is holding Protestantism on it’s shoulders
@junkerjorge so true🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ortlund is sus, cause he supported Kamala, who celebrates abortion, which is one of our greatest sins as a nation. I'm open to somebody changing my mind
@jtfay5628 he is better on theology than on social issues. We just need to separate his ideas. Learn from his work, not his voting.
7:00. To add to this. Because Eric didn’t run on Sundays he had to swap from long distance to short distance running since short distance was on Saturday not Sunday. And he won the gold medal.
rip 2:00 ELT4NIN getting spawncamped by the warden
dude i felt so bad for him
God gave you the gift of bold truth telling. It's so ingrained in you I don't even think you can help it!
4:00 on your last video I pointed this out about the anathemas of Nicea II
And all the orthobros said "it isn't like that tho"
So I posted the anathemas and I didn't get any more responses lol
Lol
And you’re happy being a heretic? 😂
@@WordOfYah heretic to man, saint to God
My “heresy” is scriptural orthodoxy, so yeah I’m pretty happy
Predestined to be based.
Growing up Protestant I've never hated Catholics. I've hated different aspects of catholicism and I am still highly suspicious of the pope. but I've never thought that they weren't Christian. But I know that my knowledge of God is imperfect and that I have made error's of judgment myself. So I pray that Christ might grant them the same grace that I pray he gives me. I never understood trying to find the "right denomination" I suspect that each of the major non-heretical denominations have aspects or puzzle pieces of the truth, but that none of them have the full picture.
1 Corinthians 12:12 "The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ"
I'm protestant too, and speaking from how we see it here in Brazil, Catholic hatred for Protestantism is due to overperformatic neopentecostals whose services are basically freestyle revelation experiences with what they claim to be the Holy Spirit but are like just some people spinning around with shallow preaching at best (i'm not joking that's plainly it). On the other hand, the american non-denom megachurch culture is present but is despised mainly by non-Christians who see it as a way to get money from people. Nobody hates traditional denominations with smaller congregations. The thing here is that Evangelical means Protestant so every analysis about denomination issues comes with this.
Nobody is perfect but the Catholic Church is the closest thing you’ll ever find to the perfect church full of imperfect people. What is it that you hate about the Catholic Church?
Salvation is a process, not a one and done event. You’ll get there brother, as long as you stay on fire for Christ ☦️☦️☦️❤️
I really like your 7th argument the most. The freedom to appreciate Catholics, orthodox. All the traditions that aren't mind and see the good in them are refreshing.
So why are you Christian instead of a deist?
As a deist you can appreciate the good in not just Catholicism, but in paganism, judaism, islam, the list is truly endless.
Could it be that you are Christian because you believe Christ to be true? So isn't that how you should choose what to believe: Truth
Instead of the feeling a argument gives you?
@@peterubbels2385 because different denominations of christendom share the same core ideas of how things work but ir would be contradictive of christian belief if you see other religions as truth.
I'm Catholic and I'm free to appreciate other denominations
@jvogesYou cannot view them as full participants in Christ’s church. Which I as a Protestant can do, I can look at your church and even though many interpret its teachings as I am damned to hell can say there is a great deal of beauty and glorification of God and that they are full participants in Christs church but you cannot do the same for me
@@antonryelund723 thats not true. Just because you dumb down Christianity to the lowest common denominator of *i believe Jesus is real.
I pray that one day you go to a real church
4:52 I would love to meet a protestant in real life who had such respect for saints post-33AD. In my experience, protestants tend to write off anything not found in the Bible as "Catholic" (which it is, but they say that word pejoratively).
Have you talked to Lutherans and Anglicans? Genuine question. I’m a Presbyterian but as those two came out of the more conservative branch of the reformation, I think it’s more likely there.
But I would also just take your point as a valid one and say that this is a place we can reform ourselves.
Saying that covenant theology disproves Catholicism or orthodoxy is laughable. We consider there to be a radical shift when Jesus died, but not that that’s when the Church started. Consider how the Church became the bride of Christ in the NT, or how Isaiah 1:26-27 says that the leaders will be restored back to as they were at the beginning, which is applied to the early church about itself. Laughable argument lol
Here’s some insights I have about your various reasonings
1. Makes Gods kingdom bigger
Your notion of disregarding the modern Catholic opinion of Christians outside of the church being saved because it goes against the “historical” view is absurd because historically Protestants were the same, historically they largely believed anyone who didn’t hold to the 5 solas was Christian, some Protestants still say this as well.
This also undermines your claim that Protestantism is rooted in tradition, since “historically” Christian’s have been apostolic before Protestants veered from that.
Also Protestant church were historically just nationalized churches, formed to be state religions rather than a universal faith.
Moreover you basically are just living in the past when you disregard reformed understandings in favor of past ones, especially when the reformed understandings have a much more evolved understanding than the past ones.
Whatever happened to the spirit of reform?
I’m Catholic and I appreciate other Christian’s, just because past church leaders had a poorer understanding of their faith does not mean I or you have to.
Lastly I want to point out that Catholicism literally constitutes about half of Christianity in terms of population, this probably doesn’t mean much to you but it should have you keep in mind that Catholicism isn’t just another part of Christianity, it’s about half.
2. Different churches different cultures
I can largely see your point, especially since this is absolutely true with the Orthodox and Assyrian churches of the East, the Oriental church is literally divided along cultural lines (Armenian, Syrian, Egyptian, and Ethiopian) and the eastern literally also are divided into numerous autocephalous churches that correspond to a real world nation (they made an American Orthodox Church a while back)
However Catholicism atleast is the only church where this doesn’t really apply since unlike the Assyrian and many Protestant churches it isn’t limited to a single culture and seems to transcend culture, and unlike the orthodox and Lutherans it’s constituent parts weren’t rendered into national churches (not to say Catholicism wasn’t made a state religions rather, but its church authority was bound to a single point in Rome and not just located within the country and independent from the rest of the church)
Also your whole Catholic corresponding to the Roman Empire thing does fall short when considering the Poles and Irish remained fervent Catholics, also England and the Lutheran states, only really became Protestant, not because the local people “resisted the might of Rome” but because Protestants took control, sacked all the religious authorities that remained Catholic, and compelled their entire populations to ditch Catholicism.
So rather than resisting imperial rule, the populations there were submitting to it when they became Protestant.
Only 13% of Catholics actually genuinely remained Protestant
3. Leftover state religions rather of Empires
I can definitely see where you’re coming from in this, but there is a huge hole with this argument that completely causes this idea that the “one true church” was just an invention of imperial Christianity.
Well specifically two holes, Armenia and Ethiopia.
If the true church was just an invention of the Roman Empire in order to establish a state religion, then why does history show that the one true church also encompasses the churches in Ethiopia and Armenia.
Historically the leader of the Ethiopian church was appointed by the patriarch of Alexandria, and the first head of the Armenian church was consecrated in Caesarea.
The fact that the Ethiopian and Armenian churches were considered to be apart of the same church as those in the Roman Empire really does throw this whole idea of imperial Christianity into pickle since these areas became Christian states long before Rome did, and it seems very weird that they would just confirm to some church the Roman Empire established, it makes more sense if we assume that the church wasn’t a product of Rome wanting a state religion but truly a single body that goes back to the apostles.
4.Assyrian church is less ecclesialist
I think the belief held by the Assyrian church that they are the true church but not the only Christian’s has less to do with them being less ecclesialist, and more to do with the fact that they believe that the schism that arose from the council of Ephesus was more political then religious in nature.
Also this completely undermines your whole argument that Catholicism and the orthodox “historically” teach that salvation is only through the church since this would mean historically they didn’t, atleast as far as the 500s are concerned.
Also again, Current Catholic understanding shows that salvation is not limited to the church.
5. Church history is messy
Yah it is, no argument here
Except for when you claim that Ecclesialists can’t argue this because they believe in the one true church.
This actually might be the most insane thing you have argued because you can just as easily make the same argument about Christianity in general.
Christianity has a messy history, if you believe Christianity is true you can’t acknowledge the messiness, cause you constantly dividing good guys and bad guys.
It now seems like your just strawmanning Catholicism and the two orthodoxies at this point and basing your objection how fundamentalists within both these circles behave.
There’s not a single Catholic who doesn’t acknowledge that some church fathers got some things wrong
6. Covenant theology
Church “infallibility” does not mean its individuals and leaders are sinless and can do no wrong, it also doesn’t mean they are right all the time, it just means it has the power to interpret scripture and lead the church
Also yes while it is unfortunate that the Old Testament saints are not given as much attention there are still Catholics who pray to Old Testament saints, the issue here is that Catholic and orthodox need to be reminded, it’s not an issue with Catholic or orthodox teachings.
Also Catholics also believe the truth was revealed gradually over time, that’s literally how we got the assumption of Mary doctrine and Purgatory
Catholicism has always changed and this is not an issue for Catholics
7. Protestant culture is best
Ok this is very much debatable
Guilt based morality is not unique to Protestantism, it’s actually found amongst all Christians to varying degrees, the variations are due to how communalistic or individualistic the local cultures, are with the more communalistic being less guilt based and the individualistic more so, a lot of Protestant societies are predominantly Germanic, a culture that has typically espoused very much individualistic character, this goes back to before they adopted Christianity so this is not a fruit of Protestantism.
You see this as well with the Irish and the Quebecois who came from a very individualistic part of France, Catholic Swiss, and so on.
I would say you’re confusing the fruits of Germanic culture mixed with Christianity with the fruits of Protestantism.
Also a lot of benefits of Protestantism actually have to do with literacy, so there’s no real connection between Protestantism and the wests success, it’s Christianity, literacy, and Germanic/celtic individualistic culture
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Best protestant apologists:
Gavin Ortlund
Jordan B Cooper
The other Paul
Anglican esthetics
Martin Chemnitz
But the best protestant apologist, John, the independent fundamentalist baptist junior
Gavin Ortlund is a W ngl.
Do you have a link to Chemnitz’s YT?
@@VarynDEE33t In case this is serious, Chemnitz lived 400 years ago.
@@JoWilliams-ud4euYou're forgetting about Bob the Bible Bashing Big Eva Baptist Bro
24:45 eight year old boy awesomeness epistemology goes hard🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
I’m Justino in the Minecraft chat!!!! I got a cameo XD
Sweet
I am a Baptist but I’ve never thought about it this way, this makes so much sense. Thank you RZ, God bless you
As a Pole (Lutheran btw) I really appreciate that you mentioned Maximilian Kolbe
Actually it’s one of the Best apologetic Protestant I’ve seen
Started going to church when I was 16. I attended St. Sylvester (Roman Catholic) church in Chicago, IL for a couple of years but the church was facing issues and a bit of turmoil and felt I could not really grow and learn about my faith toward the end of my time there. Then moved to Covenant Presbyterian of Chicago (PCA) for 3 years. Left IL for my current state (will not reveal that), met a girl who invited me to a Pentecostal church and explored that for a while but then found myself craving the emphasis on God's sovereignty from a reformed perceptive that I was getting at Covenant and recently found a nice Presbyterian church (RPCNA) in my new town. I'm excited about the faith again and have been trying to be a part of what God is doing in my new town. We hand out bibles and talk to people a couple times a quarter. I try to help out at the church workdays. I don't say this to brag as I believe it is God working in me because I would rather just veg out on the couch and scroll Insta all afternoon, but I appreciated what RZ brought out in this video about God's Kingdom being expansive. I appreciate all the churches that have tried to help me on this pilgrims progress.
RZ, when are you going to make a video about the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus?
Good arguments my biggest critique would be the cultural one. Protestant culture has led to modern day liberalism and Marxism which is literally causing our countries to collapse. The very roots of Marxist ideas and liberalism are linked to Protestantism so I’d say that’s a huge issue.
Loves our Christian brother and sister ✝️☦️✝️ as a catholic ❤❤❤ we need be United to be ecumenical ❤ we need to be strong together brothers and sisters ❤❤ god loves us ❤
Hey Zoomer I am sure this will get lost in the comments, but you helped me come to Protestantism and Presbyterianism from Roman Catholicism. God bless!
He’s also the reason I became Presbyterian. I think it’s important RZ knows some of his viewers became Presbyterian, I think he feels like a failure because so many of his viewers became Catholic.
What was it that made you decide to leave the Church?
@@brittoncain5090 I am still a member of the church catholic.
@@learningmoreandmore1 Respectfully, you know what I mean.
@marfason It’s not red at and, but I still prefer them becoming Presbyterian(because I believe they are right 😂).
I watched your video on church history in 2023. And i got baptised orthodox on Christmas. Thank you RZ
Prots: me me me, my my my theology, my interpretation, every other 39000+ prot sect is wrong except me/Calvin
Catholics: let's submit to the Church Christ founded, because Christ is Lord and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it because He says so.
No? Protestnats don't say that and it's the very first thing he points out.
In my experience most of your points (Reason 1 and 5) are also shared by Novus Ordo Catholics. In fact in my (catholic) church parish an annual workshop in iconography is organized, even though it's deemed an Orthodox practice.
I honestly get all the points you make, being nosedeep in Christian lore isn't easy
I am a Catholic who frequently prays to Gideon. I almost chose him as my confirmation saint.
The ben shapiro zoomer of protestantism
(derogatory)
Faith doesnt care about your works - Zoomerino
@@newme1589lmao😂
Ben Shapiro is an evil zionist
The best protestant apologist is Pastor Billy Bob from Billy Bob's bible church
I didnt find any channel about him :(
Based video. But you need to mew in a livestream and get a low taper fade since you're Gen Z. If you don't your a boomer who listens to Elvis Presley.
Watch the live streams. He is a total boomer
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu fr bro. also thanks for supporting my channel. I might drop my new video tonight or tomorrow!
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@@JoWilliams-ud4euyeah he’s definitely a boomer haha
@@d4v1do fr bro
Vivaldi, Corelli, and Chopin were Catholic. and Mozart.
Another interesting Orthodox saint is st. Moses the strong. He converted to Christianity from a life of robbery after hiding in a monastery and seeing the monks and has some good quotes, like "You fast, but satan does not eat. You labor earnestly, but satan never sleeps. The only dimension with which we can outperform satan is by acquiring humility, for satan has no humility."
The Orthodox Church has always been invited to the councils of the Catholic Church, so it's not like everyone who isn't Catholic goes to hell.
Read Vatican I bro please. Or Una Sanctum. It clearly states any outside of the Church are doomed to hell.
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Matthew 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
'Will build' is future tense. Otherwise, great video
12:46 "Who [were] the two biggest countries that resist[ed] the Roman Catholic Church? Scotland and Germany," he said as if the English weren't distributing Bibles and tracts in the Scottish Lowlands while the nobles were marrying off their six-year-old queen to the dauphin of France, as if Protestant England had never gone to war with Catholic Scotland, as if the Rhineland and Bavaria weren't still "Catholic Germany" to this very day.
One day you can become a Baptist. We have the best Sunday dinners. Especially in the south
What if im cutting and i want amazing abs ? 😭
@ it’s a tough choice between abs and the chicken and dumplings from an 80 year old grandma .
Three ordinances: Baptism, the Lord's Supper, and Everybody Else's Supper.
@ for sure
Real. Also the smaller independent churches full of sweet old ladies who are called Church of Christ or Calvary or anything like that are the same way. Grew up in one full of sweet old Protestant ladies.
Well, the greatest scientist in history (Sir Isaac Newton) was a heretic by every christian standard (Denied the Trinity, and was most likely an Arian)
From this, it doesn't hurt me to say that great music composers were heretics or had the wrong belief, even though I'm not saying they all are.
I would highly recommend Jordan B Copper’s stuff on Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide
Excellent video🎉
Only the Catholic Church has the Motives of Credibility. Miracles affirm the Catholic Church and reject the Protestant denominations . Just as miracles affirm divine revelation (I am not saying that we get doctrine from miracles, doctrine doesn’t come from private revelation, I am saying that things like miracles prove something is from God, and that the Catholic Church alone has the Motives of Credibility).
You're the reason why I went Protestant as opposed to Eastern Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism after leaving Islam :-)
Good but stay away from calvinist it a dangerous doctrine
Why do so many Orthodox excommunicate each other? Even I as one becoming Catholic venerate people as saints, even if they aren't Catholic, if they are Christian.
14:00 Is that a Monsieur Z collab reference ???
Yes
Are you watching in times 2 speed?
Zoomer, I heard that the way to get into the server is through your subreddit. I checked there and I couldn’t find an IP address or anything. I’m a bit late to comment this, but I’m hoping you see this and you help me. God bless.
its in the discord
Please bring back John the independent fundamental baptist junior
We need him back🙏
John is the best protestant apologist
I remember what you once said and i still love it.
"Catholicism and Orthodoxy is peer pressure from dead Roman emperors"
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Is it fair to say that Presbyterianism is peer pressure from John Calvin? Lutheranism peer preasure from Luther? Methodism from Wesley? Et cetera?
@33legion they weren't states enforcing with a sword strictly speaking under government decrees. The three persons you mentioned, Wesley, Luther and Calvin, weren't building ecumenical empires.
They were writing theology.
And only John Calvin directly killed someone, while hesitantly, it was for being a false prophet *(Severetus) if I got the name right*
Peer pressure goes way beyond just to off someone, especially nowadays in the west. Its a funny comment not gonna lie, but its just that, funny.
Nowadays everyone feels pressure to be this or that, and you're just trying to find the best path
Excellent video !
God loves each and every one of you🙏🏾
Jesus: peter go lead my flock
Zoomer: there was no central authority🤡
You need to give your head a serious wobble if you believe God wants his believers to be divided in theology.
ahh yes I famously remember Peter commanding the apostles in the scriptures. “Paul, submit to Rome or im excommunicating you!” Oh wait, none of that happened ever in the scriptures. The apostles worked in a concilliar manner.
Imagine of Redeemed Zoomer had a Luther Taper Fade.
8:00 We're going to have to excommunicate you from the one true church for spouting this utter heresy. Clearly Beethoven was the best composer.
Anyone else feel that Redeemed Zoomer aka Big Zoomz aka Lil Zoomi Vert is very comforting? He makes me feel like everything's gonna be ok (even before his video about that) just because of his whole vibe and voice and how his very existence is inherently funny. His Jewish side making him a nerd, his Italian side making him a cool nerd, his love of Scotland, the fact that he's a tall and handsome nerd. It's such a great mish-mosh to the point that he has fictional main character energy.
@@MarkVendy this is a weirdly relatable comment
But why does it seem you align yourself more with Catholics and orthodoxs then a large group of Protestant Christians, including evangelicals and non denominationals
Cuz Evangelicals aren’t Protestant
He just explained in the last video that they are not protestant
@@JoWilliams-ud4euthey are….
@@redeemedzoomer6053lol
Many of your points seem to revolve around the question, “does doctrine matter?”
… and the answer being “no” to support a case for Protestantism
Simply put I'm a Protestant because "A relationship with God the Father isn't based on Grace plus whatever.".
Faith is dead without works. (James 2:14-26). You could speak the words "I love you" to your wife all you want, but if you never actually show your love by spending time with her, doing things for her, etc. then what is that relationship worth? In the same way us Catholics get our Sacraments, go to Mass, and do works for those in need all out of our love for Christ and to strengthen our relationship with Him.
@@Daniel-eu6gt James 2:14-26 is not a salvation issue. It’s just about one’s faith being profitable to others, in other words discipleship. Works, Mass etc are good but they don’t merit God’s grace
Well thats precisely the whole issue, interpretation. Catholics say "ah see, you need faith + works", Protestants say "ah see, you need faith, and because you have it, you will do good works".
I personally dont care because in the end, its the same, you have people with faith, who do good works. I dont care whether i get to heaven with faith, faith + works, faith + kfc life time card, i will try to have faith and hope Christ guides me after
@@newme1589 I guess I understand how James can be argued through different interpretations, but when you take James in context of the gospels it’s really quite clear. Jesus himself said he will say “depart from me for i never knew you” to people who call him “Lord, Lord”. In those 3 verses Jesus easily explains how works are necessary, how works are not affective for grace if they are not of the will of the Father, and most obviously the fact that belief is explicitly not enough. If belief were enough then the ones saying “Lord, Lord” would not be sent to hell for their works.
All of this destroys Protestantism and doesn’t even get into the fact that the Bible shows that faith is an act of the will, and therefore a “work” in itself
The first and principal objection raised by them is borrowed from the Epistle of James, but they do not understand him correctly. They twist his words to serve their stubborn and prideful purposes. They argue that it is not by faith alone, but also by works, and so on. It is very easy and straightforward to provide an answer to this objection if one understands James correctly. In this passage, James refers to faith as the historical knowledge of Christ. He says, 'Even the demons believe' (James 2:19) On the other hand, Paul speaks of faith in a different sense, which is the certain confidence and trust in the mercy promised to us for Christ's sake. Therefore, James
reproves and rebukes the error of those who consider themselves righteous simply because they possess the knowledge of the historical events and life of Christ. While such knowledge is indeed necessary, it does not constitute the trust and confidence by which we receive the forgiveness of sins, as is evident. When
Bro said "demystify" like 20 times in this video.
can you make a video on penal substitution or whatever it is called
To support your reason 1, Mark 9 : 38-41
"And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
For he that is not against us is on our part.
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward."
Ngl I was doubting my Protestantism but this just strengthened it a lot
Look up truth unites, By Gavin Ortlund
On point 7, I personally find economic, and subsequently socio-political, to be more convincing for some of the circumstances in the world that you mentioned. I don’t find the “good men -> easy times -> weak men, etc.” argument as compelling.
Economic conditions do ultimately have effects on our ideals, I wouldn’t say this is reductionist, such as the cases you mentioned of ppl saying you’re just discriminating off GDP.
If I become Roman or Easterner, I have to regard every other trinitarian, creed reciting, Bible reading and Jesus loving Christian as a heretic. That just seems to misunderstand the Gospel.
An LDS/JW/Oneness Pentecostal could say:
"If I became a Trinitarian Christian, I'd have to regard every other creed reciting, Bible-reading, Jesus-loving Christian as a heretic. That just seems to misundertand the Gospel."
Yes, Rome and the East are more exclusive, but Protestants can be exclusive, too. I think this means that exclusivism isn't necessarily bad, as I assume we both agree some lines must be drawn. It's just a matter of knowing where to draw the lines.
Hard disagree, that seems like an emotional argument, because if you're a Christian, you have to call, for example, M*sl*ms heretics, and J**s etc. So if someone is professing a false Christian message, thats a heretic, according to the Bible.
Even for Protestants, if i come along, and say "i believe in the Nicene Creed, but Christ told me to off vegans, so here i goooo", im a heretic, im perverting God's message.
So please for the love of Christ, dont be Protestant because "its more inclusive", not only its not, this type of "inclusivity" doesnt matter, its either the real Christ, or nothing
@ They are worshiping a different God. The Mormons even believe God used to be a man. They love a created, human called Jesus.
Protestants believe in exactly the same triune God as the Romans and Easterners.
It would be cool to see you do a debate with Alex O’connor
This video finna ruffle some feathers… and I’m all for it
Does anyone know the ip of this server? I would love to join it.
I feel like any knowledgeable Catholic can answer all of these easily. It’s too much to type it all out now, one of the best apologists is Scott Hahn. He’s perfect for you, huge intellectual, used to be presbyterian. I feel like if you talk to him a couple of hours you’d be Catholic in no time.
Give it a shot
Man, when he said "Handle" I cringed so much. It's pronounced "Haandel"
I'm protestant because of this - I have protestant values I am not allowed to have in ecclesialist denominations but if I ever concede to a Ecclesialist doctrine like Mary dogmas or purgatory or tradition high emphasis I'll remain protestant whilst holding to a Ecclesialist concession I would maintain while being protestant.
I know this, because I uphold to perpetual virgin of Mary, but I'm a Protestant. Why would I drop the five SOLAS, or the theologies of S.P.A.C.E. (made by redeemed Zoomer here) simply for think Mary is ever-virgin.
I uphold protestant theology. If I find compatible I could uphold a Ecclesialist idea but generally I uphold protestant ones. Look at the 2nd Helvetic confession written by Heinrich Bullinger. It affirms perpetual virginity.
Upholding protestant beliefs which I do respecting the protestant reformers, I look at the protestant reformers of the 1500s-1600s the same way I look at the patrisic fathers of the 500s-600s.
Wise church fathers as a whole with spiritual wisdom and learned theology.
I'll never convert to Ecclesial Christianity but if i do it'll be Assyrian church of the east. C'mon a lot of their theologians surprisingly sound like Calvinist and Lutherans. Even two ethnic Assyrians who weren't affiliated with this church sounded proto-protestant.
Having our classical protestant theology having ancient forerunners who sound like us,
Babai the Great, 551-628
Patriarch Timothy 1st
9th century Isho'dad of Merv
Abdisho Bar Brikha 12th century
And Tatian and Ephrem the Assyrians were 300s and they weren't even associated with the "Nestorian" denomination,
And lastly Narsai of Nisibis (339-502)
I've read a little of their theology that was available to me,
They all sounded like Protestants, definitive differences exist and it's possible I misunderstood their interpretation do to vocabulary difference, but they sound like Protestant Vindication of ancient beliefs.
Why in the hell would I be Catholic or Orthodox when if im Ecclesialist I'd join the Assyrians?
Assyrians are just eastern Anglicans
@@redeemedzoomer6053 the listed theologians absolutely sound like Anglicans yes hahaha 🤣
Timothy the 1st sounds like a ancient John Calvin lol
*Quotes and Citations*
1. *Predestination*: "God has predestined us to be conformed to the image of His Son... He has chosen us before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him." (From "The Book of the Questions", Question 10)
2. *Sola Scriptura*: "The Holy Scriptures are the foundation of our faith... We must not add to or take away from the Scriptures, but must interpret them according to their plain meaning." (From "The Book of the Answers", Answer 25)
3. *Justification by Faith*: "We are justified by faith, not by works... Our works are not the cause of our justification, but rather the fruit of our faith." (From "The Book of the Questions", Question 20)
4. *The Sovereignty of God*: "God is the Creator of all things, and He governs all things according to His will... He is the One who hardens the hearts of some and softens the hearts of others." (From "The Book of the Answers", Answer 30)
*Book Citations*
- "The Book of the Questions" ( Kitab al-As'ilah ): This book is a collection of questions and answers on various theological topics.
- "The Book of the Answers" ( Kitab al-Ajwibah ): This book is a collection of answers to theological questions, similar to "The Book of the Questions".
- "The Apology for the Faith" ( Al-Radd 'ala al-Din ): This book is an apologetic work defending Christianity against Islamic criticisms.
As an ex anti theist now Christian, dont say "never" haha
24:52, that's literally how you can win any argument
Hey zoomer, could you make a video debunking Buddhism or other religions?
11:21 "different religions in humanity, these different beliefs, are honestly mostly the product of cultural differences"
Then why has Christianity reached every culture
@@redeemedzoomer6053Then why has the Catholic Church reached every culture
@@JaRoD73 Catholicism is part of Christianity
@@reeper1210The point is that he says Christian denominations are the product of cultural differences but then claims Christianity isn’t, because it has reached many cultures. But Catholicism has also reached many cultures, so by his logic, it shouldn't be formed by cultural differences either, which contradicts his own argument.
If you include "minority Christians" as "reaching every culture" sure, but that would be irresponsible in my opinion. If Islam is the majority, whether Christianity is 20% or 0.1%, it hasnt actually reached that culture (and especially with the internet, you can find people everywhere that have heard of the most popular religions".
I’m sure I’ll make another comment or add to this but the first reason is wrong/inadequate/has incorrect information
30:37 very true. I never noticed this before
I’m well acquainted with Catholic and Jewish guilt, but never in my life have I heard of Protestant guilt. Most of the Protestants I’ve known have been gallingly free of guilt.
Have you talked to, listened to, or read Joe Heschmeyer?
8:54 Don't destroy our propaganda, Mozart was catholic hahahaha didn't he convert later on?
31:00 What is the substantive difference between progressive revelation and doctrinal development?
nothing
@@redeemedzoomer6053 So, Protestants and Catholics hold to the same doctrine, but have different ideas of how it works?
Really interesting video I usually just say I’m non denominational solely going off of what the Bible teaches me but I do trust Protestantism more than any other denomination and I feel they are most closely assigned with the Bible with less traditions added into the teachings
Before I watch the video, i hope #1 is doctrine of justification
As a German Lutheran, I'd add a bit more nuance to the German (and Scottish, as well as Scandinavian) affinity towards Protestantism.
I wouldn't see the Reformation as "resisting Rome" specifically, but rather as participating in Roman Christianity on their own terms. Being outside the Roman Empire, the Christianity that was brought to those areas was, in great parts, differentiated from mainstream Christianity, with many folk elements included, which separated it from the more established scholastic Catholicism. I suspect that unscriptural practices like indulgences were also helped by such characteristics.
As I understand it, the Reformers simply engaged in thinking about Christianity in a way that was unprecedented in their regions (though indeed inspired by local philosophical traditions).
The 2nd reason is such a mind blown moment to be honest. It's obvious now that i think about it but I never thought of it before.
It really puts into perspective how we are all Christians, just in different cultures.
To a certain extent, this could be true, but it could be over-extended. For example, I'm not so sure that the Puritans were so culturally different from the Anglicans, and yet they parted ways. I'm not so sure that Presbyterians in the U.S. were so culturally different, and yet they parted ways.
Can culture be a factor? Sure, but I would also say different theology is, and I'd say it's the more important factor, at least most of the time. You could say theology is affected by culture, but not always. There are many different cultures in the Catholic Church, in the orthodox church, Orientals, and Protestant churches.
Yes it is true to a certain extent, and it can be seen more in how the the orthodox and Catholics had a lack of fluid communication, that probably produced the schism with the anathemas. One language was greek other roman which could have misunderstandings due to mistranslations.
Please add Emmanuel Lutheran church in Middleburg PA to the map
I believe that as long as you believe in Jesus as God and accept him as your lord and savior you will go to heaven so I don't care as long as you believe in Jesus and are going to join tbe father in heaven
What about the Hindus that believe Jesus is God and believe in the Father, but have more than a trinity?
Dude, you gave several reasons citing the different churches, and focused on the differences between Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Assyrian church of the East and other Eastern Churches, etc.
But you forgot to see what Christ's promise was: He said that he would found a single Church, that it would be founded on Peter, that he would give Peter the Keys to Heaven, that everything that Peter would bind or loose on earth would be the same in heaven, and that the Gates of Hell would never prevail over this Church.
Now you just have to look for which of these Churches came directly from Peter. The one that follows Peter's succession carries with it the promise of Christ.
And this is the best part:
There are several Churches that claim to be the Original Church founded by Christ (which is contradictory, as each of them claims to be unique, while the others are wrong). They don't even mention Peter, they just say that they were founded by “Christ” or “God” or “Holy Spirit” in the case of Evangelical-Pentecostals.
But there is only one that says it was founded by Christ upon Peter. It's not difficult to find.