The Bad Batch FINALLY lived up to its potential
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Today i want to take a look at Episodes 7 and 8 of The Bad Batch Season 2… the show has started to really hit Its stride.
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A shout out to Chuchi’s last guard against the sniper. I wish he had a name to honor along the likes of Hevy or Thorn.
Yes
Nah, him being nameless is way better, it just shows that the guard were honory people without some background or a name. Dedicated people who dont talk about themself but just do their duty with pride. We have seen that many times in star wars, nameless character doing their job.
Straight faxs
his name was Chad
It’s so good to see guards actually do something. More often, the guards are instantly killed and the protagonist’s plot armor protects them. That one guard was a legend
Senator Chuchi's guards were the real MVPs in these episodes
Guard duty for a senator really be the shit, as in "in the shit" lol. Definitely not a cushy gig
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy it to be one of those jobs, but someone's gotta do it
@@gunterthekaiser6190 I realize they both have blue people but I just want to point out that Chuchi's planet is Pantora lol
They kept her alive in spite of her constant attempts to get murdered.
I’m annoyed that Rex could’ve definitely saved the remaining guard left, but hey dramatic entrances right
Rampart wasn't looking for Omega, he was looking for the bad batch . The higher Kaminoans were looking for her.
I think most of us knew that Crosshair wasn’t the sniper due to one thing: he doesn’t miss.
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Chuchi would be dead if it was Crossair.
First Clone gets shoot.
Me: was that crosshair?
Second clone doesn't get hit.
Me: definitely not...
Exactly. Crosshairs would not have missed
He probably would have even got both clones in one shot in his Crosshair ways.
Ian McDiarmid nailed it when voicing Palpatine in his Stormtrooper Plan Speech before the Galactic Senate after the scapegoating of Rampart.
Totally. When I was listening to that, I was thinking "wow, Sam Witwer has REALLY nailed the Ian McDiarmid voice" and then laughed out loud when I watched the credits.
@@dsmiley53 Sam Witwer might be good, but how can you not recognize Ian's voice? It's so unique and much better than anything Sam could possibly do.
Sam Witwer does a brilliant job playing Emperor Palpatine: The Firm, smooth, yet menacing voice of an all powerful politician.
Ian McDiarmid, by contrast, is Darth Sidious: His voice is raspy, growling, intimidating, (a lot of this come from his age) as if capable of fury and rage at the slightest inconvenience. And yet, also authoritative and unquestionably in control.
Sam Witwer gives us more of the Emperor we see in Episode 6. The calm, collected leader of the Empire.
Ian gives us more of the Emperor we see in Episode 3: The Dark Lord of the Sth.
He went all Stalin. It was great.
@@zddxddyddw That's what I'm saying, I was like "wow that's REALLY good, I can't believe he's doing it so well" :D
I like how shocked the clones looked when the senator told them that they wouldn’t be able to fight forever. It was like kids being told that they’re gonna have to be adults someday.
To be honest, their retirement plans were probably not more complicated than to die in combat.
They'd never been given a reason, let alone the option, to consider any other life. The idea that they'd be retired while still alive was never an outcome they'd imagined.
Going through the separations process for the military, it was weird to hear someone say to me that everybody is going to get out eventually. And then I thought about it.
@@-MCMLXXII- in Legend’s (specifically the republic commando books) they covered this. Senators working for the betterment of clones.
Clones didn’t have shore leave in between combat rotations, clones didn’t have a retirement plan, clones didn’t have healthcare (if you were wounded past a certain point you were killed) and so much more.
I’m glad their finally getting to those stories.
Well remember the oldest clones in that room were only 13 to 14 years old.
For a second I thought they were going to steal the Star Destroyer and that would be their new base or something.
I adored it. The way Palpatine swept in means the legislation can pass without the concessions Rampart had given, particularly with the Othering of the Clones as different to normal people because they would destroy their homes if ordered. That showed the brilliance of Palpatine, either Rampart got it through the Senate or the data would have gotten released to show Clones destroying Kamino. Either way, the Emperor wins and gets what he wants. The funny thing is if they hadn't tried to steal the data and show the Senate, things probably would have been better for the Clones rather than how they're going to be now. They're now going to be treated as a potential threat, less than human, etc, etc.
It showed how you can do the right thing, and do everything right, and make everything worse by doing so.
That reminds me of a Picard quote:
"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life"
They need to show Victory Class and Dreadnoughts at long last.
Dreadnoughts we’re in rebels
I agree I want to see a victory class use it's concussion missiles
@@EckhartsLadder another reason as to why rebels slaps.
@EckhartsLadder True, but a blink and you miss it amount.
@@EckhartsLadder were*
I love Ramparts face when he sees hes been scapegoated. He knows that more or less however this goes, there is no situation where he lives.
He failed by being exposed. Palpatine's Empire has little tolerance for failure.
In the empire everyone is replaceable except palpatine.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 Even Tarkin
@@reader7098 except for Tarkin.
Palpatine wanted someone who could run things while he studied the force to achieve immortality.
Notice how it all started to fall apart after Tarkin and all the top brass on the Death Star went poof.
@@forrestpenrod2294 Frankly, I'd argue giving Tarkin the power he ultimately had was the beginning of the end. Something about an authoritarian sadist commanding capital ships and just casually massacring civilians didn't sit well with the galaxy for some reason. So it gave existing rebel cells a recruitment boost and probably created more than a few new ones.
And then there was the fallout from him blowing up Alderaan...
4:54 Rampart wasn’t looking for Omega. He was looking for Crosshair’s 4 friends. Hunter, Tech, Echo, and Wrecker.
I guess he didnt even know Omega 😂😂😂
@@mamad7244he probably didn’t care for Omega
@@davidvasquez08 Rampart didn't know about Omega. Llama Su and Nala Se kept her a secret and he didn't arrive to Kamino until after Omega left with the BB.
Another cool thing people found was that if you take into account the mentioned CT number of the clone: 0409. It is a reference of Season 4, episode 9, a episode of the Umbara arc where the clones also follow questionable orders without question.
Has anyone noticed the detail that the bad batch armor is slowly being painted by omega behind the scenes. Almost as if the more freedom they get, the more color added to their armor.
I thought they were painting it themselves
I'm not gonna lie, I legitimately almost got emotional when Omega had to say goodbye to Echo. I think the inevitability of Echo wanting to return to Rex, Omega's desire to stay as a 'team' (or family), and her tumultuous stay as a member of the team really set up something sad towards the end there. Although Echo likely won't be gone forever, it really does still hit a little hard.
I sobbed
I read this and was so confused, like what are you talking about that never happened then I checked real quick and there was another episode out that I didn’t see I thought it was just the one fat rip
I freaking cried.
@@chowboychumkins3114 oof
Echo be like, "Sorry kid! But I need to get on a better show!"
These two episodes were the best in the series and really give us a lot of insight into what life is like after the Republic.
yeah thiss and the one episode with crosshair was my favorite
Yeah I really loved how Palpatine played that one. He wasn't even wrong either, which was the best part.
Also yeah echo was never fully integrated into the bad batch, and it felt right for him to join Rex. Even just from a moral standpoint they're more aligned I would say.
Totally agree. Loved the episodes. Went back and rewatched Palps get the upper hand and play savior of the Empire while also getting his Stormtrooper program. Genius.
Loved the returning characters and the fact that these two episodes are actually serious and not just “good guys win and have fun.”
Too little too late. Already checked out.
You mean garbage filling screen time chapters? Yeah, pretty much it was like that for the last month or so until yesterday.
you haters make me sick. I bet you loved the sequels.
@@muldoone6920 lmao no, the sequels were garbage as well.
The 2 episodes were really interesting.
I was pleasantly surprised by many aspects of these episodes. There were a lot of times where it wasn’t really obvious how the situation would be resolved, yet there was never some deus ex machina to save the day. I also loved how palpatine rolled up and corrupted a win into a huge loss for the heros. If this is how the rest of the season will be, I’m all here for it.
Rebells and Bad Batch give us so much we just NEEDED so badly! Step by Step all the missing links between Episode 3 and 4... after Clone Wars closed the gab between 2 and 3.. it makes the whole universe feel more conected and more than just pew pew action.
Pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew
@@davidvasquez08 some is a fan of pew pew pew hahahah
I'm really loving the Clones getting so much love and attention in this show. It's really great seeing the "good guys win, but not really" Senate scene. That was a very great scene, especially when Palpatine came in the boss he is.
Theory: That assassin is part of an elite imperial clone kill squad who beyond loyal to the empire, tasked with eliminating deserters/traitors. The assassin who died at the end of episode 7 was this teams sniper so now they have an opening and who better to fill that opening than Crosshair.
I think the assassin was a Phase 1 Darktrooper. In Mando, Doctor Pershing reveals that the final step of the Darktrooper program was to remove the human component. That was the phase 3 variant.
In the republic commando novels they had black ops clones specifically tasked to assassinate deserters
I think it's more of a Mix between Phase 1 dark trooper and the Clone Assassin's platoon which every other squad/ Legion hated. But it's also again a great link to the future/ Mando then
A quick Wookiepedia search shows that in Legends, Covert Ops clone troopers were mainly assigned to perform "dirty work" that most clones would find questionable and unethical, mainly finding and eliminating clone troopers who've deserted the army.
This trooper might be the Canon appearance for the Covert Ops
He could also be from the same batch that the original Purge Troopers came from.
We know they were among the last to be produced and would have been fiercely loyal to the Empire.
This is going to possibly lead to Crosshair getting a redemption arc - now that he'll see his fellow clones not getting a choice in their fates regardless of personal choice he might feel different about "good soldiers following orders".
That was my conclusion too. The only thing he knows how to do is kill, so retiring him won't go over well, what else would he do?
In fact the clones are literally in trouble for doing just that, following orders
Honestly Rampart seems like the sort of person who would dismiss Omega as just some kid who looked like her. Especially since Kamino's cloning facilities are gone, and his legislation is soon to be passed.
The senatorial building would be the last place he'd expect to find Omega. She could have easily been the child of some rich family sent on a private educational tour.
04:46 Omega splitting from the batch give Chuchi some to explain her ideology to the audience. Not a bad move at all I think
I really enjoyed the segments with Rampart. He’s clearly the stand-in or cronie of Tarkin, and him getting replaced means that it gives more room for a menacing authority figure. I think the close assassins were a great reintroduction from its EU counterpart and hope they establish that the Republic ALWAYS had these clones, they were just used by Palpatine alone
Yeah I recall the concept from the republic commando novels with those black ops assassin clones
I love the dynamic between Omega and Chuchi. It reminds me of episodes with Ashoka and Padmee.
I was so happy when the clone wars theme played fully. It really drove home the clone wars vibe
I liked that chuchies guards were mostly competent and helpful not just the average guts that dies instantly I loved what they did with them
Is it kinda ironic that the bad batches best episodes are the ones that basically dont have them in it?
They take after BoBF in that sense
Yeah, and now with Echo gone I'm afraid that will only be more the case.
Because it actually has them in an overarching narrative with many characters that they are also participating in.
Hopefully the rest of the Bad Batch continues to have this overarching narrative with clones surviving against the empire.
I would love to later find out that much of the early rebellion’s ground force troops is actually all the surviving clone soldiers!! Even cooler is learning the bad batch is going to be the rebels go to special forces type team!! And maybe by episode IV Omega is one of the top commando trainers!! Though part of me still wishes she will meet up with Boba Fett and earn her own armor!!
Had the same nagging about Rampart noticing Omega but I realized that Rampart never saw the Bad Batch face to face
I absolutely loved these episodes. It’s sad to see Echo go, but I have a feeling he will be back with the Bad Batch before the Season 2 finale. Also, Echo is not interchangeable with tech. Echo is an arc trooper, not a tech specialist. He does almost as much leading and strategizing as Hunter, plus he does everything scomp link related. I’d really like to see him get a more advanced hand though. Maybe just steal one from a KX droid. They have hands and scomp links on the same arm. It’s just ridiculous how much climbing the batch does when one team member has a usb cable for a hand.
I was going to say something similar. Plus, Echo always struck me as more of a communications specialist than a tech specialist.
I mostly agree with your analysis of the end of episode 8. I agree it could have landed better. That said, the score right then was probably the best of the season so far. Kinnear had obviously held off on using the clone theme, and clearly had been waiting for just that moment to finally hit us with it. It worked and I got all sad.
If that scene had been music-less, I'd probably have walked away with a totally different impression. But man, Star Wars shows once again that the right music at the right time can be a game changer.
There's a weird, but interesting contrast between Chuchi and Mothma, where the former seems genuinely oblivious to the fact that she's living in a dictatorship, whereas Mothma is just playing the part of an oblivious, idealistic Senator who is actually aware of her circumstances and manages to covertly (and effectively) undermine the Empire.
Gotta remember we were given a view port into the clones being more or less neglected and left to fend for themselves by the Kenobi Series few good moments. If there had been anything like a purge, you would think either people would be weary of one sitting out in the open as well as the clone being so exposed if he was like "open season" hunted or had been 🤔
It's frustrating the amount of filler they put when they clealy have this well written episodes in store.
I wondered if Bail's Astromech could be R2-D2 with a paint job to disguise him
I loved the scene of the Venator breaking free from the dock and crashing. Big cool thing with good sound design pleases my monkey brain.
I hope we get to see the growing Rebel cell of unchipped Clones led by Captain Rex rising up against the Galactic Empire even though it would lead to the forgone conclusion of their defeat and the retirement of Rex, Wolffe and Gregor at some desert planet in Star Wars Rebels
I really enjoyed these two episodes!! They gave me strong Clone Wars vibes which I loved!! I ultimately did not expect Echo to leave clone force 99, and that was kind of a tear jerker for me.
The fact that Palpatine of all people is criticising the clones for following orders no matter what XD man he's such a bastard you just love to see it
“Clones are willing to commit war crimes if ordered, we need to replace them with stormtroopers (who don’t even need to be ordered to do so)” to quote The Senate: “ironic”
Great episodes, and Palps' return was awesome. Only Ian McDiamid can do Palpatine so perfectly.
I think episode 8 showed us what Echo is really capable of. He's able to access the Venator's systems and both control the point-defense guns and start the engines
Eck, I cannot understate just how much I love your Outro. The Doggo, The Music, The Synchronicity of the Music to the Doggo Headpats. Its just *chef's kiss*
I especially love seeing Disney delve deeper into the origins of the Rebellion. First we had the ghost crew in SW Rebels showing the coming together of all the rebel cells (the actual formation of the rebellion). Then came Andor, on that show we saw just a small circle of a few people act against the Empire at first. And now we see probably the earliest sources of a riotous rebellion in the military sector, where at times only a single person heard of the Empire's atrocities. This is literally the spark that will ignite the fires of rebellion, an inferno that will annihilate the Empire and its minions across the galaxy.
Really glad we saw the return of Chuchi in these episodes. I guess with the amount of Pantorans in the show it was just a matter of time.
2:22 Tarkin: "The Imperial Senate is no longer of concern to us. I received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnant of the Old Republic has been swept away!"
I loved that grandpapa palpatine set up a Xanatos Gambit. if rampart succeds the the bill passes, Palpatine wins. if Rampart fails and is exposed that palpatine throws him under the bus and uses it to get the bill passed. all paths lead to victory for palpatine
THESE are the kind of episodes we want and need! Not that the 3 episodes before this were really bad. They were good but not nearly as good as episodes 7 and 8. Seeing senator chuchi again was a pleasant surprise and it's really good to see Rex again. Hope next week's episode continues where these episodes left off.
The writers just really need to find a way to do those fun little filler stories they want but to also tie them into the main storyline.
The other two were bad but I like the one with gungi
Such a great episode! We need more plot like this in the season.
I also liked that the sniper, eluded to a more sinister plot that has been quietly tucked away, which is comes from the Republic Commando books (Centax-2) clones, where suddenly these new clones are popping up but are completely different then the Kamino Clones, which these clones are setup back in Season 1 of Bad Batch.
Eh, I still prefer Legends over canon. Leagues better, if you ask me. And I may be the only one that thinks this, but I don’t care because I’m probably the only person who cares about real Star Wars.
I kinda figured it wasn't crosshair, because the sniper was missing shots.
Crosshair does not miss.
There’s so much evil happening in the Galaxy right then. I would be so depressed if I knew about everything that happened. Almost like Frodo going to the Greylands
These two episodes had the balls to do what most modern media don't, make the bad guy an actual threat. It leaves a sour taste in your mouth to see Palpatine easily undo the entire heroic achievement, but it shows what he has always been, an incredibly smart manipulator that combines absolute power with The Force to win at every turn, even if he needs to play the long-run. It makes his defeat in episode 6 even more gratifying.
Landos droid: " Droid rights! Droid rights!"
The bad batch: *actual living humans lose there rights.*
The uprising is about to begin Clones Vs Stormtroopers
I’ve been binging the show over the past week or so, just got caught up and I’m now extremely pleased to hear that season 2 isn’t over yet. That was a scare
I was definitely simping for senator Chuchis new design
Two magnificent episodes.
The secret clone , the one who died saying he believes. We still don't know whether his brain was given an order from a pre-installed chip or he just believes in the cause. The theories further are dangerous beyond words. Corruption deep to its core.
Was it just me or were the Venators in orbit gradually getting closer throughout the episodes’ duration?
Now I gotta watch the episodes again
@@davidvasquez08 fuck same
Just finished watching Andor, and these episodes were like an added bonus to that. Some of the best storytelling so far this season!
Wake up babe, new EckhartsLadder vid just dropped
3:40 The Clone Assassins from EU Legends has been made canon I see.
The thing I noticed about Episode 7 is that apparently Clones have a thing for Twi’leks.
Most humanoids have a thing for Twi'Leks
Who doesn’t lol
@@ImTheReverse I mean ask Cut lol
Holy crap! And I thought Episode 3 went hard!
7 and 8 had me on the edge of my seat the whole time!
I mean, it's not Andor level, but it's still pretty hardcore. I'm loving it!
These two episodes were among the best of the series. I agree with what you said about Echo. It seemed to come mostly out of nowhere. I makes me think they are looking to make a spin-off that bridges between The Bad Batch and Star Wars Rebels.
2:41 speaking of Andor, where is Mon Mothma in these Senate scenes? Canonically Mothma should be in the Senate at this time.
Even though it wasn't buried, I immediately thought "This is like a Lusankya moment" when the Venator was activated.
I want Disney to give me a Star Wars show. I will dig into some corner of the 60 years of continuity that these things all take place in, and I will start introducing things as though they had always been there: teleportation, time travel, zero-gravity flight belts, do-anything-the-plot-requires nanites, and replicators. I will destroy continuity and narrative cohesion from the inside! I will absorb the anguish and hatred of the fandom, and grow ever stronger!
Day 2 of asking, Halo, Starcraft, Starwars and Massefect government comparison
Why did the Batch send Omega with a Senator who's accompanied constantly by armed guards into one of the most secure buildings in the galaxy instead of bringing her along on a commando raid of a Star Destroyer where they were going to be surrounded by thousands of hostile troops and possibly pinned down by starfighters if anything went wrong (which it did)?
The question kind of answers itself.
I have a theory that rampart's clone operative is part of his own personal force he's probably had specifically made for himself, likely with kaminoan equipment and scientists he got before they destroyed the cities. He's probably doing it because he's impressed with crosshair but wants that kind of competence loyal to himself rather than the empire (or to some extent his old squadmates)
Can you go back to your vs series and do the Death Star vs the Phalanx from 40k
I wonder if it suggests that Crosshair isn't trusted by Rampart anymore, that is why they got another Clone to do it?
So R2-C4 is definitely R2-D2 but with a paint job right?
I like how Palpatine saying "a new era ushered in by the Imperial Stormtrooper" is reminiscent of his declaring of the Empire.
I agree, Omega going to the senate just casually strolling around the political heart of the Empire that's hunting you is at least questionable. Especially no one noticing, and the kaminoan reacting so chill about Omega revealing she's a clone seemed a bit strange
see, this is a perfect use of The Bad Batch show
Venators over Coruscant during the Clone Wars had their engines parallel to the planet showing they were orbiting and patrolling for threats of enemy fleets coming in
The Venators here had their guns pointed at the planet, showing what exactly the Imperial military thought of the Senate, and the planet in general
I think that the clone assassin is a covert operations clone trooper
The only thing I find weird is the setup is that STORMTROOPERS are like the SOLE replacement for the Clone Troopers, instead of just a normal human filled military. Stormtroopers are the successor to clones role wise, but the imperial military was more diverse than just that- Pilots, Naval Crewman, Army Troopers etc. It just seems cartoonish, akin to announcing a bill to replace all of entire US military with Marines.
they were probably also part of that defense recruitment bill thing, but the stormtroopers are the main thing which sound cooler than all those other basic troops
This episode was some of the best star wars storyline writing. It tied all the dots and the bigger picture of the story without being wishy-washy, condescending, or filler. Compared to most of star wars rebels, this is a good direction. I didn't enjoy some aspects of Rebels that didn't show the emperor or coruscaunt on screen when they should've been on screen. The emperor's speech at the end was pure genius and showed the true cost of revelations and truth.
I liked the reveal that it wasn't crosshair as the sniper but also shows how incompetent Rampart is. Cause the sniper missed shots that crosshair would have hit. If Admiral Rampart had deployed Crosshair and new the value of his military units he would have not had to worry the senator or rouge clones since Crosshair is far better at eliminating targets.
I think (and hope) that now as Echo joins Rex we'll see Cody again too. There's just too much potential for a reunion of those three.
I wonder if they made a nod to the dark trooper program with the sniper clone.
Bro Ep. 7&8 really DID hit different
I was really getting those old school Clone Wars vibes
Man I hope the rest of the season is gonna be just as good
Why send Omega with Senator Chuchi? Uhh ... because the Senator and her guards might actually stand a chance of locking her down for more than two minutes? They did a heck of a lot better job keeping Omega out of trouble than ... like ... ANYONE ELSE EVER.
It would have been great to see just a couple moments of Echo providing the training he alluded to in his goodbye to Omega. When she called him sir at the end it could have been a good tie in if she had started doing that sarcastically during these training sessions. As it stands it did kinda fall flat. Not wholly devoid of emotion, but not as much as it could have had.
Palpatine pulled the ultimate Uno reverse card... again
We got a “Padme episode” except they went and used Senator Chuchi
These episodes were fantastic
Am i the only one who just realized that the empire has thought the bad batch are dead the whole season so far
On the star wars website the clone sniper is labeled clone X, I wonder where this will go.
Honestly I was happy echo is is with Rex again
When the assassin first showed up I think they definitely hinted at the fact that it wasn't crosshair. There's no way crosshair would have missed the second shot on slip, the shots are way too sloppy
It only took, what, 8 episodes to get to one that actually advanced the plot?
And Ian McDirman voiced Palpy!
As good as the new episodes are I was really hoping that it would show the Batch leaving Kashyk and finding Sev or at the least signs he was alive.