POWER UP your HIPS the right way
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Slingshot Discgolf should be called Bursitis Discgolf. That stuff will ruin your knees. That guy is rated like 932 with zero PDGA wins as well.
So am I, and I think that is the worst argument against any coach.
Disc golf might be the only sport in the world, where coaches are expected to be professional tournament winners. I hear this maybe not daily but weekly, that I simply can't be right because I have a shitty rating.
I think it tells more about the community than me. Disc Golfers in general haven't gone to universities or taken courses, or practiced any sports in their lives. They haven't met teachers or coaches who had a great impact on their lives even if they weren't Nobel prize winners or world record holders. My piano teacher was (is, she's over 90 now) one the most appreciated pedagogues in her field, yet hardly anyone has ever heard her perform.
That said, being a coach is not at all about wins and ratings of the coach. It's about inspiring others to learn, to teach others to be better. Hell, to be better than you in the best case scenario! Coaches' job is to make themselves redundant.
As a coach, I think it's all about YOUR game, not mine. My job is to teach YOU, not to brag about my skills or wins. It's really hard for me to even imagine studying under a teacher who cares about himself more than me. I firmly believe it's impossible to tap into students' mindset, their form and needs, to help them while fully concentrating on improving your own game. You simply can't.
For example, my playing career has been full of performance anxiety, panic attacks, pain in the muscles and general life, like university studies, part-time and full-time jobs, other hobbies and life wrecking break-ups and recoveries from them. I work on my home course, coach, study and read a dozen of dm's daily and try to reply too. While disc golf has been an important part of my life, I value other things even higher and spread my concentration outside of it, too. That makes winning even harder than it already is.
This is what bothers me. That the coaches ability to teach and inspire is judged by their merits and wins, not by their effect on his students. Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus and thousands of sportsmen and women had coaches nobody even knows about, with zero wins. I think they did a good job. They could help others be better than they ever were. At least this is my aim.
I think you're a good coach.
Thanks!
How many coaches in all sports were actually amazing at what they coach? How many of the best players in any sport are great coaches (most super talented athletes actually make the worst coaches as it just comes natural to them). Who coached Tiger Woods, who coached the William sisters? Tiger Woods dad was a good AM golfer but he taught arguably the best golfer of all time. Disc golf more than any other sport seems stuck on a coaches rating/wins than their ability to coach. Someone with no legs or arms could actually be the best damn disc golf coach ever.
@@dgspindoctor Honestly, the best coaches in sports in history were mediocre platers. (Not saying you are mediocre...lol) But they were the ones that had to study and work their butts off to compete. So they know the game better than the superstars who just had pure natural ability. I think you are one of the best on YT btw. ;)
Don't think I have seen a bad video by you. Appreciate the great insight to both of you, will follow Leon as well!
Awesome, thank you!
Chris Taylor made a very good point on the DGCR forums - “The trail leg’s main function is to maintain momentum (not increase or decrease unless possibly doing a standstill). If there is adequate momentum there is no need for additional trail leg push and it is just not seen in any advanced players with good plants.”
Exactly. You can't make your arm or the body faster with the trail leg, but you sure can make it slower.
I like this point. I have a bad left knee from trying to be back leg dominant in the first few years I started playing. It resulted in me pushing and spinning off the back leg before my front leg planted. I'll be dealing with this injury perhaps forever now. Developing a consistently paced and repeatable x step is so important, otherwise you make up for it with extra hip movement, front leg stomping, etc. Anywho, I say all this to say, great point! The walk up should be fluid and consistent.
The Chuck Norris reference was the best part of the video (and the info was great too!!!)
Glad you liked it!
FINALLY. A certified pro, a certified bomber, who actually has an understanding of bio mechanically what is happening in the throw
Leon is a rare gem.
@@bobbob453 Stealing is a bit exaggerated word here, since I've known Leon for years and asked his permission to do this. Also I made a similar video about the hips last winter...
Dave Feldburg ?
I struggle with this 100%, both rotating before the plant but also a loose hip discussed at the 10:30 mark. On the rare occasions that I get it right, the disc literally rockets out of my hand. Unfortunately it is a very engrained habit to correct. I'll have to work on some drills to ensure I plant and rotate into the plant, vs. rotating the hips for power. ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO!
Leon's channel: www.youtube.com/@LeonSonnleitner
you're the man 🙌
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Yessssss
Leon and DG Spin Dr are my 2 favorite channels rn. By a lot!!
I just saw his video yesterday and it's the best explanation I've ever heard of how to brace. Finally, someone was able to explain it properly. It's kind of amazing nobody has mentioned the right hip before. At least, I've never seen anyone mention it. It's kind of assumed that we understand. It's almost as bad as when you're starting out and you ask how to throw properly and you're told... oh, it's just "timing".... eh, thanks, that really helps.
I have to say, that even though my How to rotate the hips video has the same exact info, Leon is more thorough and can also back it up showing how he does it.
i see more on just foot placement and then upper body timing. this is the first video ive watched that has a breakdown of what everyone else passes over. seems to me to be a huge key.
I'm glad for you!
Wow perfect timing lol. Just commented on another video about the brace knee being bent. I think the queue of pushing the front hip back to get the knee straighter is just what I needed. Awesome video as always. I like the style of going over another players/ content creators form advice.
Perfect!
I found this video extremely insightful especially as it relates to the cues for the left leg "following through" as a sign of improper rotation; and later in the video the cue to focus on the right hip to help trigger rotation after the brace.
Thank you for your commentary on this form video. You continue to deliver poignant guidance and instruction that really resonates with me in a way that helps me understand the biomechanics of technique.
Cool, thanks for watching.
Great advice. Now there is only one thing to fix: the winter. Hoping for a video for that.
Maybe the climate change will take care of it.
this one I think is gonna help me a lot. I've been confused about planting and the whole philosophy of letting your body go where it wants to. I hurt my shoulder recently trying to practice, and knew I was doing something wrong. Just by following these steps and trying to follow exactly what was being shown here, I could throw with no more pain! Part of it is definitely a lack of exercise, as getting into disc golf has been some of the most exercise I've gotten in ages, but also I can tell now my form was not just harming my distance, but my body too
Good points, excellent observations!
I just saw his video yesterday. Thanks for confirming his technique and breaking it down. Love how you want us to do it right and unleash our potential.
The "wrong" way feels so comfortable and smooth as you "open the door" and come around, but it's wrong. I've been doing it wrong for years. No brace when you swing the hip around.
I have to undo these bad habits this winter.
You two are so insightful and to the point with every lesson. You are bringing a lot of us frustrated disc golfer out of the mire of bad teaching.
Thank you so much Jaani!
Thanks for sharing!
I love smooth form like this, looks so good and effortless.
It really is!
Very helpful, Nice piece of the puzzle.
Explaining the difference between coming from above and having a more of a sideways slide is a big difference.
Ty
Glad it was helpful! I'm trying to say, that in order to make use of the ground, you HAVE to push up, always. The ground is beneath you, and you want to stop. So you'll have to push up, too. If there is a wall infront, yes, you could only push back. Wheather you push more back or up is up to you, but you always push up because it's the ground you are pushing from.
Just to state the obvious, I guess.
Kind of like playing eighth notes on a symbol or snare drum. You're not whacking on it. You're letting it do the work. Big takeaways for me are much faster hip rotation, better timing, and not stalling out.
Yeah, Discgolf Austria 🇦🇹 ❤ thx Jaani
I watched the original video about an hour ago; luckily I found the missing piece of my "backhand-puzzle"! 😊
Love you in the new Goosebumps show! ;) :)
Thanks alot buddy. I tried to keep it secret...
What timing! I had just watched this other video lol
Yeah 100%. I go over this on my channel as well. Pushing the hip back instead of really "rotating" the hips since they don't actually rotate. :) This is great info.
And I already see you getting it.
Nice! Yeah, I started following Leon a couple weeks ago. He's a smart kid, and talented! I had his video in my lineup to watch right after this
Very cool!
I liked leons new videos, and this one. Good stuff thank you
Glad you like them!
Crazy how this is the opposite of slingshot disc golf
There is nothing crazy about it. Slingshot is the opposite to every sport study, method and move in every sport. I think he himself says that he's the only one teaching the back leg thing, and that pretty much sums it up.
Thanks for all your videos brother!
Glad you like them!
First off, I love your videos and Leon’s too. It’s refreshing to see this level of content and not just x-step and grip to throw far.
I want to know more about pushing the front hip back covered about 4:00-4:30 in this video. Maybe I’m just confused, and I’m also being coached by other pros, but my understanding was to drive up and slightly back through the front leg by extending upwards, which straightens the leg and knee and pushes the front hip back. However, you and Leon mention that it’s not about straightening the leg, but pushing the hip back. So my question is, am I pushing through my front heel or am I needing to do something else?
I’m thinking back to Will Schusterick’s video of a basically stand still, shown in one of Leon’s videos recently, and I notice his front leg is kept very bent with no extension through the throw. I’m very confused because I’m not sure how he can push his front hip back without extending his brace leg (and extending his knee). I chalked this throw up as him not needing so much power so him not needing to push his front hip back, but now I’m not sure. Practicing this now, the only way I can replicate Will’s throw would be to manually push my hip back with no pushing through my legs, which I’ve been told is incorrect by a couple coaches now.
I just want to know how to throw correctly and build my own timing to throwing further, but there’s so much uncertainty in what I’m hearing from various coaches that it’s becoming frustrating. I hope you’ll clarify more about what it means to push the front hip back, while not (actively) extending (through?) the knee. I’ve injured my front knee a few times now trying to figure it out, but I’ve found it’s because my knee was being pushed forward of my foot, which I’ve corrected by extending my brace leg faster to push my front hip back before my knee has a chance to move over or forward of my foot.
Anyways, this is a long post, but I look forward to hearing back and I love what you and Leon are doing.
Long question, short reply: you can push back and up without straigthening the knee. It's totally doable, but can feel strange at first because you need to use muscles that are new to you. I think Will does it in the video, but when he throws real hard, he extends more... probably not knowingly. The key here is to push the front butt back, not to straitghten the leg.
Great video again as always. Keep up the great vids
Thanks, will do!
Really great video! And great comments from you!
I'm really intrested in hearing your comments about his newer video: HOW TO FIX YOUR THROWING ARM (AND
YOUR NOSE ANGLE).
Do you have the same philosophy about the throwing arm? Could you do a video about that?
Thanks!
I do actually. But Leon has played since 7 years of age, and naturally, everything is natural for him. Normal people will have to teach the muscles their movement patterns before they can relax. I use the term "gently guide the disc" which means not to force anything or use the muscles, but merely visualize the path of the hand and otherwise relax as much as you can.
Calvin Heimburg seems like a good pro that uses the side wards brace. Sometimes you can here his right foot dragging just slightly off the ground before he stops his momentum with a powerful brace.
True. And yea, Calvin seems good to say the least! ☺️
Do you mean his left foot?(His back foot given he is right handed)
@@markhumphrey8894 no, I mean his right foot stepping right after the cross step into his brace. The last step he makes. His right foot is so low to the ground that I can sometimes hear it dragging on the edge of his shoe.
@@eder8507123 Oh. Thanks for clarifying.
I'm on board with all of the input here. The one thing I don't understand is the discussed concept of "pushing the right hip back" while not straightening your brace leg. The only way I understand its mechanically possible to push on the ground and independently push the right hip back is by specifically going from a bent knee to a straight leg. If you aren't in the act of straightening a bent knee how do you "push" down and "push" the right hip back? Thanks for any clarification.
You definitely can push the hip back with a bent leg. Try it.
And then again, what me and Leon try to say is that, the straightening is not the thing. You can also straighten the knee without getting the hip back, and that's what many people do.
Point is to get the hip back, with bent or straight leg.
Thanks Jaani.
Thanks for watching.
Jaani,
Great follow up to the Tattar analysis. Definately something to evaluate in my own form. Now, can you do anything about teaching her metal game? 😉
I wish.
Just a suggestion, would there be a point analyzing some javelineers on how they use the brace for some comparison to disc golf?
Maybe, but I find it not so similar to DiscGolf Backhand. I mean, Javelin is done over the shoulder with the rear arm.
Maybe it would be more about the importance of bracing rather than how to. Maybe a short one with a couple of different throwing sports and how bracing is essential in all of them?
Does the front elbow stay with the front hip turning? In other words, do you let the arm turn with the front hip and NOT actively pull it seperately when you are turning?
Does the arm just stay motionless and connected to the core. Not sure if I describing it right.
I'm wondering if you don't actively "start the lawn mower", just spin the hips and lock the arm with the core. It seems more accurate.
Great question, and hard to answer. I think you do "actively" use the arm, but because it starts to move with the whole body first, you don't feel it move... kind of. The arm has to be faster than the body for sure, and if you hold the shoulder in place, that means you are tensing it and restricting the movement.
So... start the move with the body, but as the body stops, let the arm continue. It may feel like "doing nothing" with the arm, but if you actually do nothing, the disc won't fly anywhere.
@@dgspindoctor I think the arm gets faster as the hip is turning and the forearm opens at the elbow. So don't lock the elbow, just let it open.
This way is so much more compact and faster than letting the back leg come around with the hips.
I'm looking at my videos and my form is so bad. When I thought I was bracing, I was not and just riding around the the front leg. I now have the thought of pulling the front hip back and feeling like a "pole through the spinal column". Thanks
What I want to know is the secret to timing the peak reach back to get the rubber-band effect as shown at 5:31. I've completely lost all of my rubber-band effect because I'm reaching back too early and pulling but I cannot seem to correct it. 😂Timing is so challenging!
Wait with the arm a bit too long, and you might be on time.
More money 💰. That's good.
Loads of it, actually.
Huikeeta videota tulee DG Spin Doctorilta 🐐 taas, niinku aina, näistä voi aina oppia jotain uutta.
Am I the only one who tapped on the link for Leon’s page and it says that it doesn’t exist?
Interesting. It did work before, but the link changed. Now it should be working again.
Subbed thx
His actual timing when he throws seems great but the way he describes it seems to suggest you should start this hip rotation right at the end of the reach-back. Isn't this a little early? For instance the OT disc golf channel recommends not doing this shift until right about the time you start throwing out from the pocket. Genuinely not trying to be contrary. Just trying to understand better.
If I took a shot every time that guy blows into his hand I'd be pretty, pretty...pretty drunk.
Winter is hard.
Newbie here. I've watched the wonder kint videos. You and him are my goto form doctors. The rest? none of it made sense and only confused me.
Thanks! Leg down and swing the arm, that's all you need. 💪
2:00 I’m not trying to cause any drama, but is this not the exact opposite of what sling shot disc golf promotes? Such conflicting viewpoints 😐
This is the exact opposite.
There are different ways of throwing, there is a back leg internal rotation style (McBeth, Gibson, Pierce) where the power comes from the legs and a front leg shoulder rotation that a lot more Europeans do (Antilla, this guy).
but McBeth, Gibson, and Pierce do not throw off the back leg either , they are also front leg. @@tonyriedel4421
Just because someone says it's all back leg style, doesn't mean they throw off the back leg. This a very new and bizarre concept that no one actually follows.
But who am I to say...
Jaani i love your videos but this seems like a bit of content cannibalism, I know you mean well and provide fantastic content, but on this video i think you only state redundancy. I'm open to being wrong but i think this video could have been more informative than reactionary. Hopefully this is productive, appreciate everything you do!
My apologies for making the video.
No Apology necessary, its a great video! Just trying to provide some feedback. After watching it again you do provide useful elaboration.@@dgspindoctor
Cool, that's what thought too.
Apart from that, I really want to help young and aspiring disc golfers with their channels, and Leon deserves all the subs.