I miss when 'stay woke' was just something the older black family and neighbors would say to kids to stay aware and safe and now all these years later its being misapproppriated and twisted
They don't even know what they mean by "woke" anyway. It's just a buzzword that makes them angry, just like other buzzwords make them feel good without any thinking process.
I still listen to Redbone by Childish Gambino and think of it as a good thing. I can't help but laugh when people are like "this movie cares too much about being inclusive and sensitive" like... yes ... that's why I prefer it over Nolan's exclusively, intentionally straight white stories lmao
Honestly they’re right when they say that you can’t say certain things these days. for example you can’t say a comedian isn’t funny otherwise you’ll be accused of being offended and canceling them.
@@Portal2LabRatThe difference is TH-cam isn't paying commenters millions of dollars and then blasting it out to other people when they log onto TH-cam.
Fr. I really don't get why the very side that can't come up with 2 original jokes about trans ppl act the most defensive about comedy. Like, babe, you have no skin on the game.
I remember when Dave walked away from 50 million dollars once he realized the racists watching his show were laughing AT him, not WITH him. Now, he panders to the same types of bigots that made him leave comedy for years. Back then, he had integrity. Netflix had enough money to make him sell it.
Steven Crowder walked away from a similar amount because he couldn't be as racist or homophobic etc under the new contract. I don't get why people are getting so evil lmao
It's strange they really think people dislike them for "saying the hard truth!". No... people just dislike bitter screeching people who do nothing but rage about others as "jokes".
@@khrowvI always imagine what if guys like this or Matt Rife mocked straight white guys more and think "oh I'd actually watch that" but then they don't
Frankie Boyle absolutely destroying Gervais' standup was hilarious. "I mean, look, we know Ricky Gervais, he's a brilliant actor, he's a brilliant writer, he's not a f---ing stand-up comedian! Just because Ricky Gervais self-identifies as a stand-up comedian, am I supposed to say that he is one? It's f---ing political correctness gone mad!" This was a response to Gervais' lazy if a man can self identify as a woman he could identify as a chimpanzee joke. Real /r/onejoke material.
so happy to hear someone bring up Frankie Boyle. when I hear people compliment rogan/chapelle/gervais etc for being offensive and therefore real, I think if Boyle who typically can be actually grotesquely foul and cancelable but somehow makes, imo, brilliant humour of hypocrites or pain or the futile shittyness of life in a way that makes me admire what is left of humanity, mine and his. the others just remind me of guys who punch down and hide their passive violence behind the excuse of ‘its just a joke’, well why aren’t I laughing then dave?
i am (very much not) gleefully awaiting the further normalization of otherkin because yes, some people may very well ID as chimps and that's valid. comedians and the media and normies are gonna shit on otherkin and therians for decades. CHRIST
A week ago I went to a comedy show where there were 3 stand-ups and they were all women, one bisexual, two lesbians. They made jokes about lesbians, about men, about women, about sa, about trans people. And none of them were offensive, none of them landed badly, all of them were met with laughs in a room filled with lgbtq+ women (they literally asked at one point if there were any straight cis men and only 2 guys put their hands up). I really don't get how "you can't say anything" yet I've been to a place filled with 400 people mostly lgbtq+ laughing at jokes about all of those "sensitive topics"
They're immersed in an alternate reality narrative to the point where it's like they're constantly playing an AR game together. They don't know, nor do they care, what LGBT+ ppl are saying or doing. _In their world,_ Chapelle is correct, because they're in the game not the real world.
Anyone remember that episode of Spongebob? “Squirrel Jokes”? Where Spongebob gets laughs from an audience full of the lowest common denominator by doing impressions of Sandy? Even when she tells him they’re hurtful? Even after she experiences real world consequences from people who think she’s stupid because of those jokes? Dave Chappelle’s special in a nutshell. And you’re right! It’s like he’s not even trying to make a joke anymore. He’s just hitting the buzzword button until laughter falls out.
Chappelle makes me sad. Growing up through the 90's and 00's I was a HUGE fan of him. I'm a Transwoman, and when he first went on a punch-down spree in his stand up I shrugged it off. Figured it was the usual "everybody is fair game" vibe a lot of us 00's brains lived by. But no... over the years since he has just continued targeting us. :( I just can't enjoy him anymore. Not even the things I used to love. His old media has joined Bill Cosby on my shelf of, "I was happy once". Side note, has Ricky ever heard of florists!?
"Has Ricky ever heard of florists!?" Probably not. I doubt he's ever personally bought flowers for anyone, so he wouldn't have a clue about what actually happens in a "flower shop".
i remember laughing at that first trans joke he did because it had a south park sort of fair play to it. he was then understandably criticized by a FEW people on social media. he could have just understood that not everyone will like all his jokes and moved on, but instead he's now spent 5+ years punching down, being bitter, uncreative, unrelatable and mean
I get your point, because I've been hearing these same tired, lame jokes and insults since I was in elementary, Middle, and high school. They don't offend me anymore, they just bore me.
Good for you tbh, I feel like as my internet poisoning progresses I get more and more angry and scared when people think shit like this is funny. @@deaddomain
I watched an old George Carlin interview recently where he talked about the real power of comedy is in attacking and criticizing those who are corrupt and in a position of power, rather than attacking “underdogs” as he put it, essentially punching down, man I miss George Carlin
Once a comedian's ego surmounts their insecurities they lose the ability to tell jokes because they're too busy congratulating themselves on being such a great comedian
the n-word as a pronoun joke is so ironically funny to me. chappelle refers to the character with "she" and "her", just displaying zero idea what a pronoun is, or how its used.
And honestly would have made edgier, funnier comedy if he had that internal consistency, even though most of his crowd would have just been laughing at how many times he said "n*****" in a two-minute time frame.
@@closuitm Again, why is that sad? Every other group in society gets jokes made about them by comedians. Why are men pretending to be women exempt? Do they think they're better than the rest of us, that no one should be able to make fun of them?
There is laughter that comes without humour. One type is the humourless mocking laughter that comes with communal bullying. It's pretty ugly, it looks superficially like comedy because there is a guy on stage talking and people laughing, but is isn't comedy because the people aren't really laughing, just making the noise as an act of mockery. There is another type of laughter without humour which is cringe comedy. Faced with something cringeworthy, people release their pent up emotions using laughter.
I hate how modern standup comedy is basically just a washed-up 50+ man pacing up and down stage on a multi-million dollar comedy special repeatedly saying “You can’t say anything these days!” in different voices whereupon the audience shits themselves with laughter. Standup Comedy has become the joke.
George Carlin (not at all MODERN) LITERALLY had a famous bit about the things you're not allowed to say. Rallying against censorship is not a "modern" concept
@@nigelnyoni8265 George Carlin never punched down. As a matter of fact, you can watch many interviews where he says so and explains why it's not good comedy. And NO ONE is censoring Gervais or Chappelle. On the contrary, the have a platform that reaches millions of people.
"Handicapped" is not the preferred terminology, disabled is better and preferred. Disabled includes all disability, physical or otherwise. Just to let you know the right terminology moving forward because I know your statement was in good faith and not meant as an attack.
@juvenilia_in_hell It's the shifting of language trends. Somebody decided one term was offensive or problematic and the other isn't. The rules will change again in a few decades.
@eemoogee160 Yes, terms change when better terms are found that are more apt, and perhaps sometimes moving away from negative associations and stigma. Terms change with greater understanding. Subtle nuances can make a difference to how something, or someone is perceived and treated, socially and in terms of healthcare and supports. W.H.O. 1980 definitions: Handicap - 'a disadvantage for a given individual that limits or prevents the fulfilment of a role that is normal.' Disability- 'any restriction or lack ...of ability to perform, an activity in the normal manner or within the range considered normal.' The term 'disability' is considered more positive, as a person with a disability can potentially be supported by living aids to be able to do what they otherwise couldn't do. For example, a wheelchair chair and ramps allow access to places an able-bodied person can go. A disability doesn't mean that the person is excluded from doing things that an able-bodied can do. A disabled person can be 'abled' with living aids, systems and supports. 'Handicapped' is a term specifically describing what a person can't do. Personally, I do hope the term disability changes.
@@juvenilia_in_hell I might be off base but I think handicapped generally makes people think of a visible physical disability, and that expectation can be part of why people with invisible disabilities are often not believed. So swapping to a word with less of that connotation can help remind people the full spectrum of issues that should be considered, even though it won't solve the core issues of how society views disability
This was actually really refreshing to see. A review from somebody who actually knows comedy and respects Dave's talents and history. Done in good faith and quite enjoyable to listen to from start to finish.
Lots of the older comedians whole vibe was “I speak the truth and fight the power” thinking they’re disciples of George Carlin or something. But alot of them are now millionaires with large audiences and don’t realize they have power now. Carlin wasn’t as great as he got older but his heart was still at the place of “you the little guy is being screwed over by the world” but Chappelle seems to be in a space of “people I never bothered to understand are gaining a small modicum of power and I don’t like that”
I get the feeling that Ricky Gervais is trying to be the modern George Carlin but what he doesn't realize is that George though he may have offended people never punched down. he understood and talked in interviews several times about how comedy is about punching up at those in power or a position of privilege. that's something all these new anti woke George carling wannabee comedians out there today don't seem to realize. .
Chapelle turned down 30 million dollars and pulled the plug on Chapelles Show because he was worried the show went from sending up negative stereotypes about black people to reinforcing them. I don't see how his jokes about trans people do anything but promote the negatives. Stinks of hyprocrisy imo
@17:06 Ricky's disdain for a school devoted to flower arranging is absolutely bizarre considering that he is a comedian, and there are also similar schools devoted to comedy. Whether it's flower arranging, comedy, dance etc. they are all crafts and arts, and thus they each have a highly developed and storied basis for learning and skill and development. And of course, we live in a much more diverse and globalised world, so a student at a flower arranging school will probably also learn about the art of flower arranging around the world, such as Ikebana from Japan. But this just shows how incredibly low effort Ricky Gervais' material typically is. He's not a great modern philosopher or a truth teller to the powers that be. He's an intellectually lazy curmudgeon who has clearly decided that he aspires to nothing more than harvesting the cheers and whoops from the cheapest seats in the auditorium. A has-been evoted to appeasing the lowest common denominator.
The whole mocking university thing left a bad taste. Ricky clearly has no understanding of what university teaches. Yes, it teaches the subject, but the whole entire point is teaching people how to learn, building networks and encouraging a lifetime of acquiring knowledge. Subjects like 'Taylor Swift' helps to engage people interested in Taylor, in learning critical thinking skills. Which is the bedrock of university learning, and life.
"I'm being actively cancelled and censored!!" - Said on a public stage to paying customers later viewed by millions on one of the biggest streaming platforms on the entire planet.
I went to high school in the early '90s, so we definitely had CRT in schools. They were mounted on top of tall carts, which made them ridiculously top-heavy. One time, the swim coach was showing the swim team a video. He made one wrong move, and the CRT ended up in the pool. He never did live that down. Anyway, I assume that's why people are against CRT in schools. Much less likely to happen with LCD.
Someone smarter than me said it like this; Dark humor is gallows humor. If you’re the one going to the gallows, then you’re using dark humor. If you’re the one kicking the stool out, you’re just trying to get away with being a churlish jerk
I hate when people like this say that others told them "you can't say that!!!" It's like their go to saying. I've literally never heard anyone say that before. The response is usually "wow that's f*cked up screw that person" but that doesn't make them look like a le epic antiwoke HERO fighting for FREE SPEECH
Ricky Gervais thinking that critical race theory is just that "All white people are racist and there's nothing they can do about it" is so on brand with him, because he LOVES being racist without being called racist. It's his dream to live in a world where he can be racist, and no one calls him out on it.
Gervais starting his special by patting himself on the back for saying the things "they" won't let him say is about the most cringe thing to have ever been cringed.
I heard Gervais bitch about “The School of Flower Arranging” and immediately went “I bet that’s tied to a lot of money somehow if there’s a whole school for it”. Sure enough, 5 seconds of googling showed that the wedding industry alone is worth roughly £14 billion in the UK. Funerals are like £3 billion. That’s two industries with what are probably a fair number of contractor/freelance workers who want to pad their credentials and established businesses that have to train new hires to run events. Maybe a school for just flower arranging is a bit extra, but it took me all of 20 seconds to hear that bit and find out exactly why a school like that would exist and be in demand, in a country I’ve never even been too. If that’s all it takes for me, someone bored at work on their phone with minimal emotional investment, to figure out why one of your big moral outrage examples is actually pretty reasonable, you’re probably not actually speaking truth to power.
Their audience doesn’t want to understand, they want to judge. Just like “comedians” keep claiming there are only 2 genders without understanding the nuance of gender vs sex or that gender is a social construct that exists on a spectrum. Just like pandering about CRT without actually knowing what it means. They don’t care, as long as provides any kind of cover for their preconceived judgements.
It's not even a good exaggeration! There's merit to every superficial job currently. Food influencers try it so people don't waste money, flower arrangers make temporary beauty to make memories, gamers create communities or like the foodies test stuff so we don't have to. If anything, a bad comedian is the worst of the lot since they're just stroking their ego for profit lmao.
Neat point! I would also add that his point on a college course on Taylor Swift is a bit odd; it would not be a degree or major but just a semester or half-semester class. You can have a course on any number of things; I know of courses on a single Beethoven symphony, the philosophy of science-fiction, fatherhood, parables in Jewish and Christian traditions, and "the theology of evil". While these types of courses might sound odd or trivial, they are often fun ways to use a central example to explore a hermeneutic or applying skills & normally have few if any prerequisites. I have been in a number of these types of courses and they are a great way to get credits in for different subjects. Folks on political television shows love pulling these course names as evidence of the "decadence of the ivory tower" or whatever, but they are not actually speaking truth to power; indeed, it is a step on the path to eroding investment into education.
"We're getting stupider because we can dedicate a lot of time to identifying the nuances and finer points of very specific crafts" wow Ricky, that certainly is a take to have.
My dad volunteered at a theatre after he retired and he saw a lot of washed up comedians who were repeating the same type of material from the 80s and 90s.
Chappelle actually honed his craft. Gervais stumbled ass backwards into a zeitgeist that was ready for him. It shouldn't be surprising that Chappelle can still actually write a joke, and Gervais can't. Fuck both of them, but you know, I'm choosing to not watch Chappelle. Never even occurred to me to watch Gervais. And adored both of them 20 years ago. Really pisses me off that Chappelle ruined himself. It's increasingly clear that Gervais wasn't ruined. We all just moved on, and he didn't
When I hear that "joke" about a black trans woman it makes me remember him talking about how hurt he was realizing racists just wanted to hear somebody say the n-word on his show. You realize he didn't actually learn a damn thing did he?
I'm so glad to see someone who has my opinions regarding Chappelle. I watched the new special with my boyfriend (who is a big fan of him) and I chuckled once. He says that he makes fun of everyone, but it's pretty clear that he like to make fun of specific groups of people all of the time. I'll say as someone who doesn't like him that he is a great storyteller, and it sucks that it's bogged down by all of his "jokes" toward marginalized people.
The people you are talking about aren’t ‘marginalized’ anymore though. The reason people are joking about them, is because they became these ridiculous online bullies that attack anyone who says anything outside of their rhetoric. Hence, jokes about them are funny, and your politics has clouded your sense of humour.
Dave Chappelle was famous for "tell-it-like-it-is" comedy. A type of comedy built around harsh truths and recognition of social injustices. Back in the 90s and early-00s, when the internet was young and lacked any unified voices, there was a catharsis in seeing people calling out those in power on a public stage. That they could do so while making you laugh is what gave the subgenre it's strength. When mastered, you get George Carlin, who seems to be comrinually rediscovered with every new generation. The problem with Dave Chappelle, is that he told truth to power, until he became powerful. Now all he has are grievances and a lack of introspection. He used to point fingers at the nature of gentrification and the ghettofication of black communities. Now, he shows up at HOA meetings to threaten to pull investments, to stop the construction of affordable housing like a Karen and a NIMBY.
And he also told jokes about drug dealing babies, limo drivers getting into random shootouts and dressed up like a crackhead… why is all of that ok but the recent stuff isn’t?
@@kingjoeblack5 Yeah you're right dude. He should've thought about his words could've been hurtful to all of those drug dealing babies out there, cause Lord knows there's a lot of drug dealing babies out there, I'm pretty sure they're a protected group!
@@nauruball5162 yeah… the sarcasm doesn’t hide the racism, it highlights it. You were perfectly fine laughing at Black people but when he jokes about trans people you’re crying foul? Stop the goofy
@@kingjoeblack5 Way to read into it way too hard pal. Has nothing to do with racism, the fact of the matter is drug dealing babies don't exist. They're not a thing. Babies that distribute drugs in exchange for money to other people demonstrably do not exist because that would be ridiculous. It's absurdist humor. There is nothing absurdist or satirical about how he talks about trans people today, they're played straightly as how he feels.
I started gervais video and turned it off in ten minutes. But I'm willing to suffer with you. I'm curious about them because I want to understand what's happening but don't want to support them. Now we can turn thousands of views into only one on Netflix. Thank you for doing this
I'm shocked I ended up sitting through the whole thing. Honestly the only reason I stuck through more than the first two minutes is just because I'm addicted to seeing how bad this trainwreck would get. But also, I was angry at the trainwreck, because I knew he knew exactly what he was trying to say about himself. So I just kept watching the trainwreck, purely out of wanting to see just how pissed off he would make me by crashing the train in such an overt and deliberate way. I've never been this angry at watching a trainwreck
@@aw3299 I feel you. I did it with Chappelle for the first two or three specials. But after I just got off the outrage rails and stopped paying attention. So thankful I had a nice overview video of these specials. I am trans and just can't stomach Chappelle at all anymore. Glad I've given up. This overview was also too much for me.
@@deaddomainyep, We're on the same page. I'm disappointed at how Chappelle now just punches down and thinks that's good comedy because he's getting laughs from a certain crowd. He's out of touch, completely. When you're out of touch as a comedian your jokes SHOW it. Gervais has never been my type of comedian. He's always done the "old man yells at cloud" shit. That or making fun of people like Karl Pilkington and calling it comedy. Also they're both just very casually transphobic. Because of course they are.
Gervais has always been so fucking cringe. The guy did a self-important aThEiSt photoshoot and made a whole movie about how if you lie enough times it becomes religion.
@@avalokiteshvara113Chapelle is such a disappointment because if you watch his old show, sure some things didn’t age well, but his shit still hit. Black Bush is still my favorite sketch to this day.
The laugh he got on the joke about someone's pronouns being the n word... I am curious about the crowd, because it struck me as sounding like a bunch of white people laughing because he's breaking the taboo against saying the word. Also... the joke about her dying lonely because white liberals don't know how to talk to her? Doesn't even work. People don't use your pronouns when talking TO you, they use them to talk ABOUT you. As a trans person, one of the most awkward things about pronouns is that it's not possible to correct people one on one in the moment. I would prefer they to he, but not enough to correct someone if it requires interjecting it in a group conversation or bringing it up at a later time in private.
can't say I know much about Chappelle's career, but someone else said about how he took a long break from comedy & turned down a large sum of money because he realised that the people in his audience were laughing _at_ him, not with him. And now... he's appealing to those exact same racist audience members.
@@roundhouse2616 Yeah, and I think maybe that story was in the back of my head while I was trying to come up with an explanation for the laughter... At [27:05] there's a shot of the audience and at least in the first rows it's not nearly as white as I was imagining that laugh sounding.
I wonder if Chappelle is aware of the pain, abuse, and death that often faces trans people in the prison system... Stories if fully transitioned women being sent unprotected into men's units and leaving in critical condition for the hospital... A joke in bad taste is such an understatement...
Crazy idea: if you're a woman, don't go to men's prison 🤷🏿♂️ Am I phobic for acknowledging biological realities like the tendency for greater aggression that comes with a Y chromosome? If being male = more testosterone = greater aggression, why would a female go to the place we specifically designed to house the MOST AGGRESSIVE people in society? If I die in a lion's den because I identified as a lion despite the warnings that they'd kill me, should you feel sorry for me? No. You should've made sure I didn't go there
Oh I wish these guys could be banned from comedy until they put together better sets tbh. Both of them COULD turn out all time great specials instead of what they’ve been resorting to.
Honestly, I still do like Ricky's edgy atheist stuff. "If you destroyed every holy book, and waited a thousand years, they wouldn't all come back and be exactly the same. If you destroyed every bit of science we have, and waited a thousand years, it would come back exactly the same."
Antithiest stuff is weird because it borders on 'native cultures like indigenous Americans which are built on religion is inherently worthless and must be destroyed'
Yeah I'm disappointed in him because I thought he understood how ridiculous it is to uphold social norms just for the sake of what is traditional. Honestly, it bums me out.
@@zenleeparadiseit's a good base for a joke. Something about McDonald's in 3015 being a thing but you'd need to go light-years to find another Vatican. There's something there but he's way too lazy to find it lol
@@nailinthefashion haha I mean you hardly thought about it and made me laugh more than his original observation! I think he's really not trying at all. All of his good work was with Karl Pilkington anyway (who is actually effortlessly funny).
Throwback to last month, when I gently defended someone criticising Ricky on tiktok, and one of his fanboys went on my page to call my rabbit fat. I am so sensitive. I have tiktoks WITH my face that he could come at so easily, and I would be hurt if he came at me under them. Why did he choose to attack an animal who can't read
For some reason, a lot of people, when they get older, become more reactionary. Maybe they were rather progressive back in the day, but as new social issues are brought up, for some reason that's one too many and they become essentially conservatives. My parents are like that. Fortunately I seem to be becoming more left-leaning as I grow older. With a bit of luck I'll be able to understand and get behind calls for social change in the future as well.
The more I learn about politics and social issues, the more leftist I become. It makes one wonder if these older reactionaries stop learning (because they're busy or making too much money) and therefore think any kind of societal progress becomes a bad thing. Especially if they quit visiting several news outlets and settle in with what confirms their biases (Fox News).
Speaking as a legit old person (in my 60s), I’ve become more leftist with age -I’m a full on anarchist, socialist, anti-capitalist sjw and everything else that implies (I’m also queer & nb/trans). I make sure to listen to folks younger than me who have important shit to say about the world my generation and those before me have fucked them over by leaving them the mess (my kids and grandkids help a lot with that!). Yeah, I was a lefty in my youth too, but just a reassurance that it’s not as hard as some folks would like you to believe to get more progressive with age. Bravo to you for where you are now on the path, never stop learning and listen to those who come up after you, you’ll be great!
My parents are in their 80s, and they became even more "woke". They went to see Chapelle's stand up back in the day, watched his show and bought the DVDs and the VHS tape of Killing them Softly. They think he dropped off too. They raised me on "edgy comedy", and the only outrage I experience is hearing the same old jokes I heard in the 80s and being accused of being too sensitive because I don't think it's funny.
Gervais has been making the "cancelled/cant say that" joke for years now.... though he literally started as Angry old man yells at skydaddy in the clouds, he just removed the skydaddy.
I remember when Chapelle said in his last special he’s done talking about transpeople until he could establish a better relationship with the transcommunity so to see him immediately open his new special with the most overused trans “joke” in the world is all I needed to see. He’s been so consumed by his own ego.
"Ladies and gentlemen---ahem, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! Metamucil and the AARP are PROUD to present the Klassic Kings and Kweens of Comedy!" ::::::Roseanne Barr's orderly wheels her onto the stage, adjusts her oxygen mask, and shoots her a 'thumbs up' before departing stage left::::::
Before The Closer, Dave Chappelle made a set of "Jokes" about Caitlyn Jenner, but ended on an interesting point: America didn't care until a rich white old man* became a rich white old woman. Instead of interrogating any issues surrounding sex, gender, power, and race, he just decided to go after trans people. It's like he saw Caitlyn Jenner and decided that she was endemic of all trans people. * Caitlyn Jenner isn't a man, but this was the lived understanding of most people in America.
Every time I see Chapelle in his "Chapelle Brand" jump suit, I'm always reminded of the scene in Pink Floyd's "The Wall" when he awakes from a drug-induced near-death coma, shaves off his body hair including his eyebrows, and is reborn again as a proto-fascist who wants to line his audience "Up Against The Wall". He seems to have half-consciously rebranded himself as "New Dave" or something. Like he's this new creature spawned from a fever dream. Like most people with too much money and fame, he'll never be his old self again. Maybe that's why he both identifies and is repulsed by the Trans community. He's himself has gone through a transformation, and he's not emotionally equipped to understand or handle it.
Dave has definitely changed, which is normal as one gets older. But there is more of a sadness and detachment in his demeanor now. While Ricky is just same old Ricky.
What’s frustrating is that Chappelle has shed light on the racism that black people face but can’t extend that empathy to a group that he isn’t part of and attacks them in the laziest way possible
How the mighty have fallen, Dave Chappelle in particular. You created the Dave Chapelle show dude! Once of the most brilliant and thought provoking comedy shows ever! And Ricky, while you've always been kind of an ass, you at least used to be funny, and made some good jabs at religion. You're both just shadows of your former selves, and go for cheap laughs by punching down on people instead of punching up at the establishment. George Carlin would be ashamed of you both. Thank you for watching and summarizing/critiquing their specials, so we didn't have to watch their continuing spirals downward ourselves.
Yeah, the punching down factor for both of them IS a really bad sign of them being out of touch and obsolete. That's the problem with wealth that is rarely considered: it WILL cut you off from "the real world", so to speak. The same has happened to Seinfeld though. They let themselves get ivory towered and boy does it show. Soon they'll only be able to do stand up for fing religious zealots 🤮🙄
Did you watch the same Dave Chappelle show that I did or did you watch it with rose colored lense? He is a brilliant comic and hasn't changed. There is a reason Comedy movies are non existent nowadays, and its because we have a weak ass generation who get offended over everything now. The most brittle, and soft generation. Speak for yourself, he is selling out arenas and doing well. But hey, do the online thing and complain about it to your echo chamber. We will continue laughing and going outside, enjoying life.
@@rickmolina2206You mean comedies like Barbie don’t exist? That’s interesting. And for that matter, most of the Marvel movies are basically comedies. And of course, if wokeness killed comedy, then why did it ONLY affect movies and not TV or online platforms? Sorry but you’re just being tricked by Republicans who are intentionally confusing correlation with causation. The reason we don’t have as many comedies is because Hollywood doesn’t like mid-budget films anymore, which is where most comedies are. They either like blockbusters or low budget films, but most blockbusters aren’t comedies and you don’t notice low budget films. Wokeness didn’t kill film comedies. Capitalism did.
The Dave Chappelle Show wasn’t thought provoking. It was mainly famous for catchphrases, like his Rick James stuff. I mean, I liked the show but it was just goofy skits that only seemed deep to teens and stoners. I think that’s why Chappelle left the show because he realized it was just goofy skits and he wanted to be deeper. But he’s never been deep and his comedy has always relied on people liking him personally, same as most famous comedians. If anyone else repeats Chappelle’s routine, you wouldn’t even know they were trying to be funny.
So making jabs at traditional religion is okay, but challenging the modern church of woke isn't okay? You guys are delusional. You have a problem with your particular interest group being made fun of...that's the truth, but it's disguised as moral outrage LMAOOO
Cannot stress enough how every edgy atheist joke from the 2010s was already done by Dave Allen, but was also done funnier and in Ireland in the 1970s when anyone gave a shit.
I'm not defending these guys by any means, but it seems true that as a comedians venue gets bigger (due to increased amount of fans) the broader their humor gets. It's the same with your favorite metal bands...theyre the best in small clubs, playing their best material. Then when they make it to theaters and stadiums, they gotta go with the more mainstream stuff to appeal to a large group of folks who will mostly be more casual fans.
It's for sure has been brought up before by actual comedians, I don't even remember who it was (maybe one of them was Bill Burr), but the discussion concluded that 1. comedy often derives from tragedy/hardship, so the more poor/unsuccessful they were, the more material they had to make comedy out of (the discussion at the start was about how someone already rich/privileged is less likely to be a funny stand up comedian), and 2. the richer a good comedian becomes, the less need they have to bust their ass and keep honing their craft.
I have watched one Ricky gervais special and I have watched two of Dave Chappelle specials and in all 3 of those specials I concluded that they both were transphobic in some way and that Dave Chappelle was a bit anti semitic. So this is going to be fun. Edit:I have watched a few episodes of Chappelle show
Awe man Dave Chappelle's early stuff is really funny. It's so sad he's ruined his reputation like this. I hope he wakes up and sincerely grows as a person and that this isn't going to be his lasting reputation/final form.
@@PhoenixFireZero Thing is, there never stops being edgy teens to eat his vapid shit up. No incentive for him to move on other than to be a decent person, which he doesn't seem to have an interest in.
@@PhoenixFireZero I never really liked that "I hate every one equally" the people like that I have met aways said some out of pocket things when they noticed I was Jewish or when they found out I am trans.
It can not be understated just how easy and lucrative it is to just keep pandering to these sad, pathetic people. They will and do empty their bank accounts for this. This is about more than bitter old comics. There is much to be said about the willingness of their audience to make this a profitable turn to make.
Matt Rife is discovering that and is genuinely conflicted it because he thinks he's above that which he's currently doing lol. It will only take one more joke at a woman's expense for him to be fully in the club, they're so excited to have newer, more athletic one
There is some truth to "go woke, go broke". There's no money in speaking truth to power. There is, however, a lot of dark money and power in the hands of these con peddlers.
As I've gotten older, it's been interesting seeing how fame and money kind of just...funnel and collapse people (and thus their content) into these same archetypes. As discussed, the things that made them relatable or unique are replaced by stardom and wealth, and everything that comes with them. It takes a lot of integrity to combat that - something we know guys who recyle middle school jokes don't have.
"See? You can't be mad. I called Make-A-Wish kids a slur, too!" Nah, we about to fight at this point. If I ever meet Ricky in person he's going to know what needing a final wish really feels like.
It's weird, it's like they feel as though not including a trans joke in their specials now is a form of backing down. Both comedians are capable of so much better, but their ego's wont let them let it go.
I also think they could probably still include trans Jokes but... Maybe different ones? Like how often can you make the same Joke about pronouns? Yh we get it, the Internet is a bit hyperfocused on language. Youve Made your Point. After several years, could we maybe come Up with at least one OTHER trans Joke? 😅
Spun forward 5 minutes into Gervais just moaning on about “language”. Totally predictable. James Acaster’s “edgy comedian” skit will never not be relevant 😂
I must take issue with the idea that Gervais was once a thought-provoking comedian. He never was a remarkable comedian and he certainly has never been a satirist. He was the face of the Office, but Merchant was the real brains and heart behind it. Really, Merchant could've made it a lot better with a more talented comedian. Gervais has never done or said anything profound. I used to be a massive fan of Gervais, until I actually thought about his jokes; they're not bad, but they're no better than what I'd hear when working on a building site. Gervais is a product of British 90's lad-culture, which was hugely problematic. Gervais would like to think himself to be John Lennon to Stephen Merchant's Paul McCartney, but it's more like Merchant is Paul McCartney and Gervais is a drunk doing kareoke.
Yeah, I definitely get where you're coming from there, Stephen Merchant is so much more talented than Gervais. I wasn't ever a fan of Gervais but I dislike him more with each special as all he seems to do is spew bigoted, harmful crap and then call it 'dark comedy' and complain if people have an issue with it.
These guys think they are George Carlin when they have no understanding of what made his jokes timeless. It's more more sad at least when it comes to Dave Chappelle
Ricky Gervais: my last special got so much backlash Me: you had a special? I think he thinks he’s more center stage than he is 😅. I did watch his last special and don’t remember anything from it. It didn’t make a mark.
I saw Dave’s last special before this one and just wish he would cut out certain parts (like about assaulting women and the trans jokes) and it would be perfect. Even his audience didn’t laugh nearly as much at those parts and you could hear them cringe. He’s not listening to see what jokes he should keep in his special anymore. He also tried to be like Hannah Gadsby but he told someone else’s story for his own benefit instead of telling his own story. I have an issue with that because it comes off as disingenuous and profiting off of someone else’s death. I think their brand has always been to offend but they are now offending people who don’t need more offending (the poor, women, trans people, autistic people). I think people should concentrate on people who have the same rights first.
The worst thing about Ricky Gervais is how aggressively boring and tired his whole act is; it's the same exact stuff we've heard from dozens of other "anti-woke comedians" and on Fox News over the past decade. It's so predictable and cliched. His cocky smugness makes the whole thing even more painfully awkward to listen to because you can tell he's fully convinced that he truly is the modern reincarnation of George Carlin, while being the exact opposite. He also looks like a pudgy potato in that outfit.
Why is he still claiming the cis dude that attacked him was trans? That was some random bigoty Dave said in the moment - it wasn't true. Is Dave remembering his lie as fact now?
"looking forward" to the day Ricky discovers ded baby jokes. The time machine effect on what that guy finds clever is embarrassing to fifth graders anywhere.
A lot of your heroes do despicable things. It's the duality of mankind. If their lives are documented well enough, you'll discover that all of our heroes have skeletons in their closets. But what we admire is their works, not their whole being ... And I'm doubtful Dave hates trans people, part of the point of his repeated trans humour is to rally against this idea that saying anything you don't like = hating you. Not true
I remember Chapelle having the self-awareness and pride to go, "hey, I'm being laughed AT instead of with" and stop the Chapelle Show. It's too bad that his pride seems to be getting the better of him here. That "That's how I feel about trans people" line was just lame. I'm not angry, I just went, "that's it?" Come on, dude, be better than that.
Last time we watched a Ricky Gervais special with my husband, we were like... why is he just doing boring boomer humor? We thought that maybe our sense of humor had changed, because the audience was certainly cracking up. Glad to know it's not just us.
The more stuff Ricky Gervais does without Stephen Merchant, the more obvious it is that Stephen Merchant was the one with the real talent in that comedy duo. The Office was beyond genius, David Brent: Life On The Road was beyond tiresome.
Marc Marons last special includes a joke about the time he visited his dying girlfriend in the hospital. That’s how you do dark humour, not “cripples eh? What’s the deal with them?”
I got through the Dave Chappelle special but man I was ten minutes through the Gervais one before I watched cartel beheading videos to watch something less upsetting
Gervais' specials always have the feel that they were hastily written in the days before filming, lazily rehashing jokes he's basically made before just so he has something to say when he walks onto the stage. It feels like he really can't be bothered anymore but the money and attention are just to irresistible for him to call it a day. It's just all so lazy and tired. At least with Chappelle you can see the craft and time he puts into his jokes. He genuinely wants to give the audience a great show....he cares. It's just so sad and strange that he's happy to settle into the role of 'the guy who tells trans jokes'. Yeah we get it Dave, you think trans people are hilarious, awful, gross and far too sensitive. It's literally pathetic.
The real offensive joke here is how people paid some pretty hard-earned cash just to hear "attack helicopter" jokes, jokes that can be found on the internet for free.
Dave is just like the comedians in the 50s and 60s. He punches down with transphopia. They punched down with rascism. Way to perpetuate the cycle, Dave!
Uhm are we seeing the same? 31 from the "critics" and 91 audience score. Also for Dave 20 critics and 82 adience. Nobody gives a flying fuck about "critics", they are, like gaming "journalistst" just a waste of oxygen.
Dave's jokes don't offend me, im not offended, like.... its not that Im angry and bothered, they just make me sad. I just want to feel okay and normal, and not be treated like a fucking freak because of how i want to look or act.... You know?... I put on eyeliner and tight jeans and now I'm fkin radioactive. After his last special where he said he'd quit fucking with us, i assumed I was good to watch this, but no. I got offered to go see him and its like I have a panic attack pissing in a public bathroom, and I cant even feel safe going to see one of my most favorite comedians perform live because im like this. Im not offended, I just dont know where i belong in the world and it makes me sad.
You have to put on eyeliner and tight jeans before you become “radioactive”? Imagine that but like all the time because you’re Black… and people still laugh at and tell jokes about you.
Why are you assuming the poster isn't aware of racism? They likely are. People should not have to disguise themselves to be accepted or at least left alone.
@@celloafterdark4173 Because the poster never had a problem with Dave’s jokes about Black people. It was funny up until he started joking about the transes. Now he’s an out of touch dangerous black man.
If I didn’t know better I’d think Gervais is doing some kind of Tim Heidecker style intentionally dated and off putting persona as a bit. It’s so wild that he’s like 60 and his whole thing is going “does that…shock you?” after making fairly tame observations.
jimmy carr got mocked for prefacing some fairly tame and stale dark jokes with how apparently edgy and shocking they were. maybe comedians who were cutting edge 20 years ago and haven't changed their material since then talk about how risqué they still are as a way to deal with feeling passé
I find it very funny that the British host the most prestigious flower show on earth, the product of a thousand year long tradition of using complex bouquet arrangements to send social ques, where misplacing a daisy could lead to a century long feud between feudal houses and he thinks having an institute of flower arrangement is "woke". My dude this is literally the "European Culture" you're so desperately clinging to. The Victorians built hothouses just to grow flowers for their bouquets. Also obviously yes many other cultures have many ancient traditions of flower arrrangment and gifting. People seem to generally like pretty colors and before dyes, before printing, before even farming, Gug could go out to the meadow and find some beautiful colors to make Ugg a bracelet.
Somewhat off topic, but I recently watched a Tom Scott video about a flower market in The Netherlands which is larger than the entire country of Monaco.
The thing is Jim Carey nearly lost his mind playing Andy Kaufman. So a better observation would be that pretending to be Andy Kaufman is what trans people have to do before they transition
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They think being an environmentalist is woke, but also love recycling jokes.
This made me say Eyyyyy out loud
Ouch
Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
This actually got a lil snort outta me, unlike most of their jokes
Permission to use this?😂❤
I miss when 'stay woke' was just something the older black family and neighbors would say to kids to stay aware and safe and now all these years later its being misapproppriated and twisted
This this this this!
They don't even know what they mean by "woke" anyway. It's just a buzzword that makes them angry, just like other buzzwords make them feel good without any thinking process.
I still listen to Redbone by Childish Gambino and think of it as a good thing. I can't help but laugh when people are like "this movie cares too much about being inclusive and sensitive" like... yes ... that's why I prefer it over Nolan's exclusively, intentionally straight white stories lmao
Let's use "Asleep" as an insult
yeah seriously.!
Honestly they’re right when they say that you can’t say certain things these days. for example you can’t say a comedian isn’t funny otherwise you’ll be accused of being offended and canceling them.
Lol. This is a good illustration of how cheap their material is now. You can hold it up to a mirror and nothing is different.
sort by newest and you can see that happening right here in this very comment section!
@@Portal2LabRatThe difference is TH-cam isn't paying commenters millions of dollars and then blasting it out to other people when they log onto TH-cam.
Fr. I really don't get why the very side that can't come up with 2 original jokes about trans ppl act the most defensive about comedy. Like, babe, you have no skin on the game.
You also can't say [string of slurs against Black people] or [stereotypes against Black people].
But for some reason Dave is ok with that... hmmmmmm
I remember when Dave walked away from 50 million dollars once he realized the racists watching his show were laughing AT him, not WITH him. Now, he panders to the same types of bigots that made him leave comedy for years. Back then, he had integrity. Netflix had enough money to make him sell it.
Steven Crowder walked away from a similar amount because he couldn't be as racist or homophobic etc under the new contract. I don't get why people are getting so evil lmao
His legacy has certainly been tarnished. I thought of him as maybe one of the only comedians with outright and publicly displayed integrity.
That's not why he walked away from 50 million dollars he walked away because of ownership
@@marteza654 He said it out of his own mouth! Gayle King interview, January 2018. Thank you.
Seriously. Dude had some steel in him at one point, now he's... This.
It's strange they really think people dislike them for "saying the hard truth!". No... people just dislike bitter screeching people who do nothing but rage about others as "jokes".
Exactly. Almost anything can make for a funny joke.
@@deaddomain No no, only making fun of minorities for no reason counts as a joke, obviously
Ain't it crazy how people would rather laugh at lighthearted humor than absorb someone's negativity for two hours
@@ND-nr6mx ikr
@@khrowvI always imagine what if guys like this or Matt Rife mocked straight white guys more and think "oh I'd actually watch that" but then they don't
Frankie Boyle absolutely destroying Gervais' standup was hilarious.
"I mean, look, we know Ricky Gervais, he's a brilliant actor, he's a brilliant writer, he's not a f---ing stand-up comedian! Just because Ricky Gervais self-identifies as a stand-up comedian, am I supposed to say that he is one? It's f---ing political correctness gone mad!"
This was a response to Gervais' lazy if a man can self identify as a woman he could identify as a chimpanzee joke. Real /r/onejoke material.
Frankie Boyle proving you can be as woke as you want while remaining edgy AF. He didn't even slow down.
That was priceless. Can't even remember where I saw it but it made me feel good, the way comedy should.
so happy to hear someone bring up Frankie Boyle. when I hear people compliment rogan/chapelle/gervais etc for being offensive and therefore real, I think if Boyle who typically can be actually grotesquely foul and cancelable but somehow makes, imo, brilliant humour of hypocrites or pain or the futile shittyness of life in a way that makes me admire what is left of humanity, mine and his. the others just remind me of guys who punch down and hide their passive violence behind the excuse of ‘its just a joke’, well why aren’t I laughing then dave?
Boyle is a wicked, wicked man. But he really gets past my defences.
i am (very much not) gleefully awaiting the further normalization of otherkin because yes, some people may very well ID as chimps and that's valid.
comedians and the media and normies are gonna shit on otherkin and therians for decades. CHRIST
A week ago I went to a comedy show where there were 3 stand-ups and they were all women, one bisexual, two lesbians. They made jokes about lesbians, about men, about women, about sa, about trans people. And none of them were offensive, none of them landed badly, all of them were met with laughs in a room filled with lgbtq+ women (they literally asked at one point if there were any straight cis men and only 2 guys put their hands up).
I really don't get how "you can't say anything" yet I've been to a place filled with 400 people mostly lgbtq+ laughing at jokes about all of those "sensitive topics"
Because people like Ricky and Dave are pandering to certain crowd
Lol so what??? The jokes are still just jokes that people found funny.
It's called an echo chamber & I bet there wasn't a sincere, legitimate chuckle the whole time. A show like that is a virtue signaling fest.
@@mermaidmomma3696 "people" is a bit of a stretch...
They're immersed in an alternate reality narrative to the point where it's like they're constantly playing an AR game together.
They don't know, nor do they care, what LGBT+ ppl are saying or doing. _In their world,_ Chapelle is correct, because they're in the game not the real world.
Anyone remember that episode of Spongebob? “Squirrel Jokes”? Where Spongebob gets laughs from an audience full of the lowest common denominator by doing impressions of Sandy? Even when she tells him they’re hurtful? Even after she experiences real world consequences from people who think she’s stupid because of those jokes? Dave Chappelle’s special in a nutshell. And you’re right! It’s like he’s not even trying to make a joke anymore. He’s just hitting the buzzword button until laughter falls out.
Chappelle makes me sad. Growing up through the 90's and 00's I was a HUGE fan of him. I'm a Transwoman, and when he first went on a punch-down spree in his stand up I shrugged it off. Figured it was the usual "everybody is fair game" vibe a lot of us 00's brains lived by.
But no... over the years since he has just continued targeting us. :( I just can't enjoy him anymore. Not even the things I used to love. His old media has joined Bill Cosby on my shelf of, "I was happy once".
Side note, has Ricky ever heard of florists!?
"Has Ricky ever heard of florists!?" Probably not. I doubt he's ever personally bought flowers for anyone, so he wouldn't have a clue about what actually happens in a "flower shop".
I’m agree with you 100% then he acts like he doesn’t know what punching down means. I really have lost all respect for him.
i remember laughing at that first trans joke he did because it had a south park sort of fair play to it. he was then understandably criticized by a FEW people on social media. he could have just understood that not everyone will like all his jokes and moved on, but instead he's now spent 5+ years punching down, being bitter, uncreative, unrelatable and mean
@@metrodonkey8093 Well put.
If you shouldn’t punch down as a comedian then who over than straight white men can you joke about? Everyone else is so called victims of oppression
I get your point, because I've been hearing these same tired, lame jokes and insults since I was in elementary, Middle, and high school. They don't offend me anymore, they just bore me.
Yep. Maybe I’m just too internet poisoned but very little legitimately offends me anymore.
Good for you tbh, I feel like as my internet poisoning progresses I get more and more angry and scared when people think shit like this is funny. @@deaddomain
@@Emma-Mazekeep the anger. It's a secret tool we'll use later.
@@brookejon3695 Agreed.
I watched an old George Carlin interview recently where he talked about the real power of comedy is in attacking and criticizing those who are corrupt and in a position of power, rather than attacking “underdogs” as he put it, essentially punching down, man I miss George Carlin
George Carlin would rip so many comedians apart today. Wish he was still here.
I am a old white guy, we used to just call people who would now be offended by "woke" assholes,
Once a comedian's ego surmounts their insecurities they lose the ability to tell jokes because they're too busy congratulating themselves on being such a great comedian
When a Jester becomes the King, should we laugh?
the n-word as a pronoun joke is so ironically funny to me. chappelle refers to the character with "she" and "her", just displaying zero idea what a pronoun is, or how its used.
He also said he referred to Jim as Andy the entire time he was there. So it's not like he can't call people what they ask to be called.
And honestly would have made edgier, funnier comedy if he had that internal consistency, even though most of his crowd would have just been laughing at how many times he said "n*****" in a two-minute time frame.
It has the potential to be a great joke...his hatred ruins it
I like how he couldn't even stick to the "black trans women n-word pronouns" bit long enough, that he still uses she/her in the punchline
It’s almost a setup for a whole Chappelle show sketch but it just seems to slip through his fingers
These rich comics can't punch up because they would punch themselves in the face
Ah yes, jokes at the expense of black trans women. Truly, Dave speaks truth to power. 🙄
Y’all trans goblins are funny though, dead ass think your females trapped in mens bodies 😂
Why can't black men pretending to be women be made fun of?
What western government, corporation or NGO doesn't pander to the transgender lobby?
that’s what i’m saying. 😩
@@closuitm Again, why is that sad? Every other group in society gets jokes made about them by comedians. Why are men pretending to be women exempt? Do they think they're better than the rest of us, that no one should be able to make fun of them?
There is laughter that comes without humour. One type is the humourless mocking laughter that comes with communal bullying. It's pretty ugly, it looks superficially like comedy because there is a guy on stage talking and people laughing, but is isn't comedy because the people aren't really laughing, just making the noise as an act of mockery. There is another type of laughter without humour which is cringe comedy. Faced with something cringeworthy, people release their pent up emotions using laughter.
I hate how modern standup comedy is basically just a washed-up 50+ man pacing up and down stage on a multi-million dollar comedy special repeatedly saying “You can’t say anything these days!” in different voices whereupon the audience shits themselves with laughter.
Standup Comedy has become the joke.
Matt Rife. Andrew Schultz. Not 50 plus.
George Carlin (not at all MODERN) LITERALLY had a famous bit about the things you're not allowed to say.
Rallying against censorship is not a "modern" concept
@@nigelnyoni8265 George Carlin never punched down. As a matter of fact, you can watch many interviews where he says so and explains why it's not good comedy. And NO ONE is censoring Gervais or Chappelle. On the contrary, the have a platform that reaches millions of people.
It’s a depressing joke.
Ironic.
"Handicapped" is not the preferred terminology, disabled is better and preferred. Disabled includes all disability, physical or otherwise. Just to let you know the right terminology moving forward because I know your statement was in good faith and not meant as an attack.
Thank you, I do appreciate it.
Why is that? Just genuinely curious. Thought they both meant the same thing...
@juvenilia_in_hell It's the shifting of language trends. Somebody decided one term was offensive or problematic and the other isn't. The rules will change again in a few decades.
@eemoogee160 Yes, terms change when better terms are found that are more apt, and perhaps sometimes moving away from negative associations and stigma. Terms change with greater understanding. Subtle nuances can make a difference to how something, or someone is perceived and treated, socially and in terms of healthcare and supports.
W.H.O. 1980 definitions:
Handicap - 'a disadvantage for a given individual that limits or prevents the fulfilment of a role that is normal.'
Disability- 'any restriction or lack ...of ability to perform, an activity in the normal manner or within the range considered normal.'
The term 'disability' is considered more positive, as a person with a disability can potentially be supported by living aids to be able to do what they otherwise couldn't do. For example, a wheelchair chair and ramps allow access to places an able-bodied person can go.
A disability doesn't mean that the person is excluded from doing things that an able-bodied can do. A disabled person can be 'abled' with living aids, systems and supports.
'Handicapped' is a term specifically describing what a person can't do.
Personally, I do hope the term disability changes.
@@juvenilia_in_hell I might be off base but I think handicapped generally makes people think of a visible physical disability, and that expectation can be part of why people with invisible disabilities are often not believed. So swapping to a word with less of that connotation can help remind people the full spectrum of issues that should be considered, even though it won't solve the core issues of how society views disability
This was actually really refreshing to see. A review from somebody who actually knows comedy and respects Dave's talents and history. Done in good faith and quite enjoyable to listen to from start to finish.
Thank you! I appreciate it.
Lots of the older comedians whole vibe was “I speak the truth and fight the power” thinking they’re disciples of George Carlin or something. But alot of them are now millionaires with large audiences and don’t realize they have power now. Carlin wasn’t as great as he got older but his heart was still at the place of “you the little guy is being screwed over by the world” but Chappelle seems to be in a space of “people I never bothered to understand are gaining a small modicum of power and I don’t like that”
Well put
I get the feeling that Ricky Gervais is trying to be the modern George Carlin but what he doesn't realize is that George though he may have offended people never punched down. he understood and talked in interviews several times about how comedy is about punching up at those in power or a position of privilege. that's something all these new anti woke George carling wannabee comedians out there today don't seem to realize. .
Chapelle turned down 30 million dollars and pulled the plug on Chapelles Show because he was worried the show went from sending up negative stereotypes about black people to reinforcing them. I don't see how his jokes about trans people do anything but promote the negatives. Stinks of hyprocrisy imo
That's not why he turned them down.
@@Fungamingrobo that's the reason that donnell rawlings and charlie Murphey gave on the lost episodes dvd
@17:06 Ricky's disdain for a school devoted to flower arranging is absolutely bizarre considering that he is a comedian, and there are also similar schools devoted to comedy. Whether it's flower arranging, comedy, dance etc. they are all crafts and arts, and thus they each have a highly developed and storied basis for learning and skill and development.
And of course, we live in a much more diverse and globalised world, so a student at a flower arranging school will probably also learn about the art of flower arranging around the world, such as Ikebana from Japan.
But this just shows how incredibly low effort Ricky Gervais' material typically is. He's not a great modern philosopher or a truth teller to the powers that be. He's an intellectually lazy curmudgeon who has clearly decided that he aspires to nothing more than harvesting the cheers and whoops from the cheapest seats in the auditorium. A has-been evoted to appeasing the lowest common denominator.
The whole mocking university thing left a bad taste. Ricky clearly has no understanding of what university teaches. Yes, it teaches the subject, but the whole entire point is teaching people how to learn, building networks and encouraging a lifetime of acquiring knowledge. Subjects like 'Taylor Swift' helps to engage people interested in Taylor, in learning critical thinking skills. Which is the bedrock of university learning, and life.
"I'm being actively cancelled and censored!!" - Said on a public stage to paying customers later viewed by millions on one of the biggest streaming platforms on the entire planet.
If being an environmentalist is woke, why do they love recycling jokes?
So trueeeee tho
Bro recycled this joke from a comment an hour older
@@crypt5129 hell, i remember seeing this on a charlie kirk image macro
Ironically the 11th time I've seen this exact comment. Isn't that interesting?
Stolen
I'm glad Ricky Gervais is talking about Cathode Ray Tubes in our children's schools
My audio engineering background takes me to vacuum tubes everytime chuds make a dog whistle
This comment contains more humor than Gervais' entire set. (And Gervais just autocorrected to Garbage on my device) 😂
I went to high school in the early '90s, so we definitely had CRT in schools. They were mounted on top of tall carts, which made them ridiculously top-heavy.
One time, the swim coach was showing the swim team a video. He made one wrong move, and the CRT ended up in the pool. He never did live that down.
Anyway, I assume that's why people are against CRT in schools. Much less likely to happen with LCD.
Someone smarter than me said it like this;
Dark humor is gallows humor. If you’re the one going to the gallows, then you’re using dark humor.
If you’re the one kicking the stool out, you’re just trying to get away with being a churlish jerk
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Loving your user name too.
I hate when people like this say that others told them "you can't say that!!!" It's like their go to saying. I've literally never heard anyone say that before.
The response is usually "wow that's f*cked up screw that person" but that doesn't make them look like a le epic antiwoke HERO fighting for FREE SPEECH
You bring up a really good point actually
Ricky Gervais thinking that critical race theory is just that "All white people are racist and there's nothing they can do about it" is so on brand with him, because he LOVES being racist without being called racist. It's his dream to live in a world where he can be racist, and no one calls him out on it.
Gervais starting his special by patting himself on the back for saying the things "they" won't let him say is about the most cringe thing to have ever been cringed.
It’s really rough stuff
It’s reaching for a narrative he won’t even explain, because it doesn’t exist.
They're not letting him say things so hard that they're letting him say them lmao
"They" won't let me say this, says the man on a stage with a microphone, shooting a Netflix special. For which he will receive an Emmy.
It really makes me sad because i really loved Ricky. Dave too, at one point...
Cosby was my childhood idol 😢
I heard Gervais bitch about “The School of Flower Arranging” and immediately went “I bet that’s tied to a lot of money somehow if there’s a whole school for it”. Sure enough, 5 seconds of googling showed that the wedding industry alone is worth roughly £14 billion in the UK. Funerals are like £3 billion. That’s two industries with what are probably a fair number of contractor/freelance workers who want to pad their credentials and established businesses that have to train new hires to run events. Maybe a school for just flower arranging is a bit extra, but it took me all of 20 seconds to hear that bit and find out exactly why a school like that would exist and be in demand, in a country I’ve never even been too.
If that’s all it takes for me, someone bored at work on their phone with minimal emotional investment, to figure out why one of your big moral outrage examples is actually pretty reasonable, you’re probably not actually speaking truth to power.
Their audience doesn’t want to understand, they want to judge. Just like “comedians” keep claiming there are only 2 genders without understanding the nuance of gender vs sex or that gender is a social construct that exists on a spectrum. Just like pandering about CRT without actually knowing what it means. They don’t care, as long as provides any kind of cover for their preconceived judgements.
It's not even a good exaggeration! There's merit to every superficial job currently. Food influencers try it so people don't waste money, flower arrangers make temporary beauty to make memories, gamers create communities or like the foodies test stuff so we don't have to. If anything, a bad comedian is the worst of the lot since they're just stroking their ego for profit lmao.
Neat point! I would also add that his point on a college course on Taylor Swift is a bit odd; it would not be a degree or major but just a semester or half-semester class. You can have a course on any number of things; I know of courses on a single Beethoven symphony, the philosophy of science-fiction, fatherhood, parables in Jewish and Christian traditions, and "the theology of evil". While these types of courses might sound odd or trivial, they are often fun ways to use a central example to explore a hermeneutic or applying skills & normally have few if any prerequisites. I have been in a number of these types of courses and they are a great way to get credits in for different subjects. Folks on political television shows love pulling these course names as evidence of the "decadence of the ivory tower" or whatever, but they are not actually speaking truth to power; indeed, it is a step on the path to eroding investment into education.
My grandma made her living doing flower arrangements. Literally went to school for it way back in the day. Lol.
"We're getting stupider because we can dedicate a lot of time to identifying the nuances and finer points of very specific crafts" wow Ricky, that certainly is a take to have.
My dad volunteered at a theatre after he retired and he saw a lot of washed up comedians who were repeating the same type of material from the 80s and 90s.
Chappelle actually honed his craft. Gervais stumbled ass backwards into a zeitgeist that was ready for him. It shouldn't be surprising that Chappelle can still actually write a joke, and Gervais can't. Fuck both of them, but you know, I'm choosing to not watch Chappelle. Never even occurred to me to watch Gervais. And adored both of them 20 years ago. Really pisses me off that Chappelle ruined himself. It's increasingly clear that Gervais wasn't ruined. We all just moved on, and he didn't
When I hear that "joke" about a black trans woman it makes me remember him talking about how hurt he was realizing racists just wanted to hear somebody say the n-word on his show. You realize he didn't actually learn a damn thing did he?
I'm so glad to see someone who has my opinions regarding Chappelle. I watched the new special with my boyfriend (who is a big fan of him) and I chuckled once. He says that he makes fun of everyone, but it's pretty clear that he like to make fun of specific groups of people all of the time. I'll say as someone who doesn't like him that he is a great storyteller, and it sucks that it's bogged down by all of his "jokes" toward marginalized people.
The people you are talking about aren’t ‘marginalized’ anymore though. The reason people are joking about them, is because they became these ridiculous online bullies that attack anyone who says anything outside of their rhetoric. Hence, jokes about them are funny, and your politics has clouded your sense of humour.
Dave Chappelle was famous for "tell-it-like-it-is" comedy. A type of comedy built around harsh truths and recognition of social injustices. Back in the 90s and early-00s, when the internet was young and lacked any unified voices, there was a catharsis in seeing people calling out those in power on a public stage. That they could do so while making you laugh is what gave the subgenre it's strength. When mastered, you get George Carlin, who seems to be comrinually rediscovered with every new generation.
The problem with Dave Chappelle, is that he told truth to power, until he became powerful. Now all he has are grievances and a lack of introspection.
He used to point fingers at the nature of gentrification and the ghettofication of black communities.
Now, he shows up at HOA meetings to threaten to pull investments, to stop the construction of affordable housing like a Karen and a NIMBY.
And he also told jokes about drug dealing babies, limo drivers getting into random shootouts and dressed up like a crackhead… why is all of that ok but the recent stuff isn’t?
@@kingjoeblack5 Yeah you're right dude. He should've thought about his words could've been hurtful to all of those drug dealing babies out there, cause Lord knows there's a lot of drug dealing babies out there, I'm pretty sure they're a protected group!
@@nauruball5162 yeah… the sarcasm doesn’t hide the racism, it highlights it. You were perfectly fine laughing at Black people but when he jokes about trans people you’re crying foul? Stop the goofy
PREACH!!!@@kingjoeblack5
@@kingjoeblack5 Way to read into it way too hard pal. Has nothing to do with racism, the fact of the matter is drug dealing babies don't exist. They're not a thing. Babies that distribute drugs in exchange for money to other people demonstrably do not exist because that would be ridiculous. It's absurdist humor. There is nothing absurdist or satirical about how he talks about trans people today, they're played straightly as how he feels.
I started gervais video and turned it off in ten minutes. But I'm willing to suffer with you. I'm curious about them because I want to understand what's happening but don't want to support them. Now we can turn thousands of views into only one on Netflix. Thank you for doing this
🙏🙏🙏 glad to be of service
Same. I could sit through Chapelle but Gervais was too much 😂😂😂.
I'm shocked I ended up sitting through the whole thing. Honestly the only reason I stuck through more than the first two minutes is just because I'm addicted to seeing how bad this trainwreck would get. But also, I was angry at the trainwreck, because I knew he knew exactly what he was trying to say about himself. So I just kept watching the trainwreck, purely out of wanting to see just how pissed off he would make me by crashing the train in such an overt and deliberate way.
I've never been this angry at watching a trainwreck
@@aw3299 I feel you. I did it with Chappelle for the first two or three specials. But after I just got off the outrage rails and stopped paying attention. So thankful I had a nice overview video of these specials. I am trans and just can't stomach Chappelle at all anymore. Glad I've given up. This overview was also too much for me.
Those are my thoughts exactly!
A dead domain video today, unexpected but incredibly delightful to see. I loathe Gervais and mourn Chappelle, but im excited to see the analysis
I feel we probably would land somewhere about the same on these specials then.
@@deaddomainyep, We're on the same page. I'm disappointed at how Chappelle now just punches down and thinks that's good comedy because he's getting laughs from a certain crowd. He's out of touch, completely. When you're out of touch as a comedian your jokes SHOW it.
Gervais has never been my type of comedian. He's always done the "old man yells at cloud" shit. That or making fun of people like Karl Pilkington and calling it comedy.
Also they're both just very casually transphobic. Because of course they are.
Gervais has always been so fucking cringe. The guy did a self-important aThEiSt photoshoot and made a whole movie about how if you lie enough times it becomes religion.
@@avalokiteshvara113Chapelle is such a disappointment because if you watch his old show, sure some things didn’t age well, but his shit still hit.
Black Bush is still my favorite sketch to this day.
@@ND-nr6mxand there's a certain truth to that.
The laugh he got on the joke about someone's pronouns being the n word...
I am curious about the crowd, because it struck me as sounding like a bunch of white people laughing because he's breaking the taboo against saying the word.
Also... the joke about her dying lonely because white liberals don't know how to talk to her? Doesn't even work. People don't use your pronouns when talking TO you, they use them to talk ABOUT you.
As a trans person, one of the most awkward things about pronouns is that it's not possible to correct people one on one in the moment.
I would prefer they to he, but not enough to correct someone if it requires interjecting it in a group conversation or bringing it up at a later time in private.
can't say I know much about Chappelle's career, but someone else said about how he took a long break from comedy & turned down a large sum of money because he realised that the people in his audience were laughing _at_ him, not with him. And now... he's appealing to those exact same racist audience members.
@@roundhouse2616 Yeah, and I think maybe that story was in the back of my head while I was trying to come up with an explanation for the laughter...
At [27:05] there's a shot of the audience and at least in the first rows it's not nearly as white as I was imagining that laugh sounding.
It was funny and I'm black.
@@jordanthompson8268 that’s great
@@roundhouse2616 Sure is.
I wonder if Chappelle is aware of the pain, abuse, and death that often faces trans people in the prison system... Stories if fully transitioned women being sent unprotected into men's units and leaving in critical condition for the hospital... A joke in bad taste is such an understatement...
He knows; he just doesn't care.
Crazy idea: if you're a woman, don't go to men's prison 🤷🏿♂️
Am I phobic for acknowledging biological realities like the tendency for greater aggression that comes with a Y chromosome?
If being male = more testosterone = greater aggression, why would a female go to the place we specifically designed to house the MOST AGGRESSIVE people in society?
If I die in a lion's den because I identified as a lion despite the warnings that they'd kill me, should you feel sorry for me? No. You should've made sure I didn't go there
No Comedy for Bitter Old Men
Oh I wish these guys could be banned from comedy until they put together better sets tbh. Both of them COULD turn out all time great specials instead of what they’ve been resorting to.
;)
Honestly the fact that I know they're capable of better shit is the most offensive thing about it 😂
@@deaddomainbut picking on trans ppl is so easy and gets clicks. 🙄🙄🙄.
@@JoshieMadhattRight!!! Because they just choose it to be lazy!!!
Honestly, I still do like Ricky's edgy atheist stuff. "If you destroyed every holy book, and waited a thousand years, they wouldn't all come back and be exactly the same. If you destroyed every bit of science we have, and waited a thousand years, it would come back exactly the same."
It's a fine observation, worded well, but it isn't funny, is it?
Antithiest stuff is weird because it borders on 'native cultures like indigenous Americans which are built on religion is inherently worthless and must be destroyed'
Yeah I'm disappointed in him because I thought he understood how ridiculous it is to uphold social norms just for the sake of what is traditional. Honestly, it bums me out.
@@zenleeparadiseit's a good base for a joke. Something about McDonald's in 3015 being a thing but you'd need to go light-years to find another Vatican. There's something there but he's way too lazy to find it lol
@@nailinthefashion haha I mean you hardly thought about it and made me laugh more than his original observation! I think he's really not trying at all. All of his good work was with Karl Pilkington anyway (who is actually effortlessly funny).
Great analysis their comedy has become the things that scare them on the news.
Thank you! I appreciate it ❤️
It’s interesting he says the guy who attacked him was trans cause he actually wasn’t. It was a cis dude
Throwback to last month, when I gently defended someone criticising Ricky on tiktok, and one of his fanboys went on my page to call my rabbit fat.
I am so sensitive. I have tiktoks WITH my face that he could come at so easily, and I would be hurt if he came at me under them. Why did he choose to attack an animal who can't read
Probably checked out yr page, saw you had a rabbit, felt sad they dont have a rabbit and so insulted yr rabbit
For some reason, a lot of people, when they get older, become more reactionary. Maybe they were rather progressive back in the day, but as new social issues are brought up, for some reason that's one too many and they become essentially conservatives. My parents are like that.
Fortunately I seem to be becoming more left-leaning as I grow older. With a bit of luck I'll be able to understand and get behind calls for social change in the future as well.
The more I learn about politics and social issues, the more leftist I become. It makes one wonder if these older reactionaries stop learning (because they're busy or making too much money) and therefore think any kind of societal progress becomes a bad thing. Especially if they quit visiting several news outlets and settle in with what confirms their biases (Fox News).
Speaking as a legit old person (in my 60s), I’ve become more leftist with age -I’m a full on anarchist, socialist, anti-capitalist sjw and everything else that implies (I’m also queer & nb/trans). I make sure to listen to folks younger than me who have important shit to say about the world my generation and those before me have fucked them over by leaving them the mess (my kids and grandkids help a lot with that!). Yeah, I was a lefty in my youth too, but just a reassurance that it’s not as hard as some folks would like you to believe to get more progressive with age. Bravo to you for where you are now on the path, never stop learning and listen to those who come up after you, you’ll be great!
It comes from a lack of perspective. They are not the ones directly dealing with the problems of today so they don't view those problems as "genuine."
@@literaterose6731 I'm slowly turning into an anarcho-syndicalist, myself!
My parents are in their 80s, and they became even more "woke". They went to see Chapelle's stand up back in the day, watched his show and bought the DVDs and the VHS tape of Killing them Softly. They think he dropped off too. They raised me on "edgy comedy", and the only outrage I experience is hearing the same old jokes I heard in the 80s and being accused of being too sensitive because I don't think it's funny.
Gervais has been making the "cancelled/cant say that" joke for years now.... though he literally started as Angry old man yells at skydaddy in the clouds, he just removed the skydaddy.
I remember when Chapelle said in his last special he’s done talking about transpeople until he could establish a better relationship with the transcommunity so to see him immediately open his new special with the most overused trans “joke” in the world is all I needed to see. He’s been so consumed by his own ego.
I think he realized that you can't reason with lunatics who k!ll Christian kids for fun.
@MagicBus-ct7fe I can't imagine being this stupid but okay. Wahhhh much Christian persecution
It feels like watching a loved one sowly succumb to dementia
Oof you’re not wrong
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Before The Closer, Dave Chappelle made a set of "Jokes" about Caitlyn Jenner, but ended on an interesting point: America didn't care until a rich white old man* became a rich white old woman. Instead of interrogating any issues surrounding sex, gender, power, and race, he just decided to go after trans people. It's like he saw Caitlyn Jenner and decided that she was endemic of all trans people.
* Caitlyn Jenner isn't a man, but this was the lived understanding of most people in America.
You cannot pretend to be a woman at 50 people been watching Bruce for years
@@marteza654do all woman just despawn when they turn 50? Where do they go? What happens to them?
Every time I see Chapelle in his "Chapelle Brand" jump suit, I'm always reminded of the scene in Pink Floyd's "The Wall" when he awakes from a drug-induced near-death coma, shaves off his body hair including his eyebrows, and is reborn again as a proto-fascist who wants to line his audience "Up Against The Wall". He seems to have half-consciously rebranded himself as "New Dave" or something. Like he's this new creature spawned from a fever dream.
Like most people with too much money and fame, he'll never be his old self again.
Maybe that's why he both identifies and is repulsed by the Trans community. He's himself has gone through a transformation, and he's not emotionally equipped to understand or handle it.
Dave has definitely changed, which is normal as one gets older. But there is more of a sadness and detachment in his demeanor now. While Ricky is just same old Ricky.
Repulsed by the Trans Community?
@@foolkiller65z56 Yeah, that’s how his trans joke usually come off as.
What’s frustrating is that Chappelle has shed light on the racism that black people face but can’t extend that empathy to a group that he isn’t part of and attacks them in the laziest way possible
If being woke means your eyes are open to the bs then I'd hate to be the opposite.
How the mighty have fallen, Dave Chappelle in particular. You created the Dave Chapelle show dude! Once of the most brilliant and thought provoking comedy shows ever! And Ricky, while you've always been kind of an ass, you at least used to be funny, and made some good jabs at religion. You're both just shadows of your former selves, and go for cheap laughs by punching down on people instead of punching up at the establishment. George Carlin would be ashamed of you both.
Thank you for watching and summarizing/critiquing their specials, so we didn't have to watch their continuing spirals downward ourselves.
Yeah, the punching down factor for both of them IS a really bad sign of them being out of touch and obsolete. That's the problem with wealth that is rarely considered: it WILL cut you off from "the real world", so to speak. The same has happened to Seinfeld though. They let themselves get ivory towered and boy does it show. Soon they'll only be able to do stand up for fing religious zealots 🤮🙄
Did you watch the same Dave Chappelle show that I did or did you watch it with rose colored lense? He is a brilliant comic and hasn't changed. There is a reason Comedy movies are non existent nowadays, and its because we have a weak ass generation who get offended over everything now. The most brittle, and soft generation. Speak for yourself, he is selling out arenas and doing well. But hey, do the online thing and complain about it to your echo chamber. We will continue laughing and going outside, enjoying life.
@@rickmolina2206You mean comedies like Barbie don’t exist? That’s interesting. And for that matter, most of the Marvel movies are basically comedies. And of course, if wokeness killed comedy, then why did it ONLY affect movies and not TV or online platforms?
Sorry but you’re just being tricked by Republicans who are intentionally confusing correlation with causation. The reason we don’t have as many comedies is because Hollywood doesn’t like mid-budget films anymore, which is where most comedies are. They either like blockbusters or low budget films, but most blockbusters aren’t comedies and you don’t notice low budget films. Wokeness didn’t kill film comedies. Capitalism did.
The Dave Chappelle Show wasn’t thought provoking. It was mainly famous for catchphrases, like his Rick James stuff. I mean, I liked the show but it was just goofy skits that only seemed deep to teens and stoners. I think that’s why Chappelle left the show because he realized it was just goofy skits and he wanted to be deeper.
But he’s never been deep and his comedy has always relied on people liking him personally, same as most famous comedians. If anyone else repeats Chappelle’s routine, you wouldn’t even know they were trying to be funny.
So making jabs at traditional religion is okay, but challenging the modern church of woke isn't okay? You guys are delusional. You have a problem with your particular interest group being made fun of...that's the truth, but it's disguised as moral outrage LMAOOO
Cannot stress enough how every edgy atheist joke from the 2010s was already done by Dave Allen, but was also done funnier and in Ireland in the 1970s when anyone gave a shit.
I think we should make a scientific theory that is : The more money the comedians have the less funny you are becoming.
It really does seem like there’s a correlation
This, to make truly good comedy, ppl need to relate to the comedian. Ppl with money generally have a harder time with that.
I'm not defending these guys by any means, but it seems true that as a comedians venue gets bigger (due to increased amount of fans) the broader their humor gets. It's the same with your favorite metal bands...theyre the best in small clubs, playing their best material. Then when they make it to theaters and stadiums, they gotta go with the more mainstream stuff to appeal to a large group of folks who will mostly be more casual fans.
I does feel like Dave burned out on comedy and developed rich people poisoning.
It's for sure has been brought up before by actual comedians, I don't even remember who it was (maybe one of them was Bill Burr), but the discussion concluded that 1. comedy often derives from tragedy/hardship, so the more poor/unsuccessful they were, the more material they had to make comedy out of (the discussion at the start was about how someone already rich/privileged is less likely to be a funny stand up comedian), and 2. the richer a good comedian becomes, the less need they have to bust their ass and keep honing their craft.
I have watched one Ricky gervais special and I have watched two of Dave Chappelle specials and in all 3 of those specials I concluded that they both were transphobic in some way and that Dave Chappelle was a bit anti semitic. So this is going to be fun. Edit:I have watched a few episodes of Chappelle show
Awe man Dave Chappelle's early stuff is really funny. It's so sad he's ruined his reputation like this. I hope he wakes up and sincerely grows as a person and that this isn't going to be his lasting reputation/final form.
Why don't you cry a little more
Ricky Gervais seems to think "I hate everyone equally" is an interesting bit. Most of us outgrew that when we stopped being edgy teenagers.
@@PhoenixFireZero Thing is, there never stops being edgy teens to eat his vapid shit up. No incentive for him to move on other than to be a decent person, which he doesn't seem to have an interest in.
@@PhoenixFireZero I never really liked that "I hate every one equally" the people like that I have met aways said some out of pocket things when they noticed I was Jewish or when they found out I am trans.
Honestly, I've always found Gervais about as funny as a stage 4 cancer diagnosis and about as welcome as a fart on the ISS.
It can not be understated just how easy and lucrative it is to just keep pandering to these sad, pathetic people. They will and do empty their bank accounts for this. This is about more than bitter old comics. There is much to be said about the willingness of their audience to make this a profitable turn to make.
Matt Rife is discovering that and is genuinely conflicted it because he thinks he's above that which he's currently doing lol. It will only take one more joke at a woman's expense for him to be fully in the club, they're so excited to have newer, more athletic one
They've fallen victim to the disposable nature of our consumerist culture. They've literally sold out. They are the Nickelbacks of stand up comedy.
Cope harder.
@@matthewatwood8641harder than you? Impossible
There is some truth to "go woke, go broke". There's no money in speaking truth to power. There is, however, a lot of dark money and power in the hands of these con peddlers.
As I've gotten older, it's been interesting seeing how fame and money kind of just...funnel and collapse people (and thus their content) into these same archetypes. As discussed, the things that made them relatable or unique are replaced by stardom and wealth, and everything that comes with them. It takes a lot of integrity to combat that - something we know guys who recyle middle school jokes don't have.
To be fair to Gervais, I bet that CRT joke is a real legitimate knee-slapper if you're in, like, the Klan?
Oh yeah, you can licherally just say "black people am I right" and they'll clap their flippers together like good trained seals
Being an old man who has become more progressive with age, I am saddened and frustrated by people who get more socially regressive with age.
What is it with comedians getting older and just like... angry at everyone who isn't just like them?
Dave is turning into Bill Maher, a bitter, clueless, old man.
"See? You can't be mad. I called Make-A-Wish kids a slur, too!"
Nah, we about to fight at this point. If I ever meet Ricky in person he's going to know what needing a final wish really feels like.
It's weird, it's like they feel as though not including a trans joke in their specials now is a form of backing down.
Both comedians are capable of so much better, but their ego's wont let them let it go.
I also think they could probably still include trans Jokes but... Maybe different ones? Like how often can you make the same Joke about pronouns? Yh we get it, the Internet is a bit hyperfocused on language. Youve Made your Point. After several years, could we maybe come Up with at least one OTHER trans Joke? 😅
Their egos won’t let them evolve , it’s truly sad
Spun forward 5 minutes into Gervais just moaning on about “language”. Totally predictable. James Acaster’s “edgy comedian” skit will never not be relevant 😂
Frankie Boyle’s jokes about Gervais’ transphobia are also great.
Alasdair Beckett-King has a sketch about edgy comedians too
The James Acaster bit is essentially made specifically for Ricky
Yes, kept thinking about what a “brave little cis boi” Gervais is all through watching this
Man, that Jim Carrey story felt like old Chapelle. But twisting it to a degrading trans joke was lazy as fuck.
My thoughts exactly.
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Thank you for watching!
I must take issue with the idea that Gervais was once a thought-provoking comedian. He never was a remarkable comedian and he certainly has never been a satirist. He was the face of the Office, but Merchant was the real brains and heart behind it. Really, Merchant could've made it a lot better with a more talented comedian. Gervais has never done or said anything profound. I used to be a massive fan of Gervais, until I actually thought about his jokes; they're not bad, but they're no better than what I'd hear when working on a building site. Gervais is a product of British 90's lad-culture, which was hugely problematic. Gervais would like to think himself to be John Lennon to Stephen Merchant's Paul McCartney, but it's more like Merchant is Paul McCartney and Gervais is a drunk doing kareoke.
Yeah, I definitely get where you're coming from there, Stephen Merchant is so much more talented than Gervais. I wasn't ever a fan of Gervais but I dislike him more with each special as all he seems to do is spew bigoted, harmful crap and then call it 'dark comedy' and complain if people have an issue with it.
That was the most even-handed critique I've ever heard of either one of these two comics (speaking as a former fan of both, for different reasons) 💜
These guys think they are George Carlin when they have no understanding of what made his jokes timeless. It's more more sad at least when it comes to Dave Chappelle
Ricky Gervais: my last special got so much backlash
Me: you had a special?
I think he thinks he’s more center stage than he is 😅. I did watch his last special and don’t remember anything from it. It didn’t make a mark.
I saw Dave’s last special before this one and just wish he would cut out certain parts (like about assaulting women and the trans jokes) and it would be perfect. Even his audience didn’t laugh nearly as much at those parts and you could hear them cringe. He’s not listening to see what jokes he should keep in his special anymore. He also tried to be like Hannah Gadsby but he told someone else’s story for his own benefit instead of telling his own story. I have an issue with that because it comes off as disingenuous and profiting off of someone else’s death. I think their brand has always been to offend but they are now offending people who don’t need more offending (the poor, women, trans people, autistic people). I think people should concentrate on people who have the same rights first.
The worst thing about Ricky Gervais is how aggressively boring and tired his whole act is; it's the same exact stuff we've heard from dozens of other "anti-woke comedians" and on Fox News over the past decade. It's so predictable and cliched. His cocky smugness makes the whole thing even more painfully awkward to listen to because you can tell he's fully convinced that he truly is the modern reincarnation of George Carlin, while being the exact opposite.
He also looks like a pudgy potato in that outfit.
Why is he still claiming the cis dude that attacked him was trans? That was some random bigoty Dave said in the moment - it wasn't true. Is Dave remembering his lie as fact now?
What's a sis dude 😂
I'm pretty sure the "can you believe what they're teaching in college now" joke is from the 90's. At least I've heard dozens of versions of this.
👁👄👁 cishet people please be funny challenge
omg it's Caelan Conrad
"looking forward" to the day Ricky discovers ded baby jokes. The time machine effect on what that guy finds clever is embarrassing to fifth graders anywhere.
Honestly that would be a step up from his current repertoire
If it came out that one of my heroes hated me for just existing, I would be devastated.
A lot of your heroes do despicable things. It's the duality of mankind. If their lives are documented well enough, you'll discover that all of our heroes have skeletons in their closets. But what we admire is their works, not their whole being ...
And I'm doubtful Dave hates trans people, part of the point of his repeated trans humour is to rally against this idea that saying anything you don't like = hating you. Not true
I remember Chapelle having the self-awareness and pride to go, "hey, I'm being laughed AT instead of with" and stop the Chapelle Show.
It's too bad that his pride seems to be getting the better of him here.
That "That's how I feel about trans people" line was just lame. I'm not angry, I just went, "that's it?" Come on, dude, be better than that.
All of that recollection and feeling for a story and that’s the punchline. So disappointing.
Last time we watched a Ricky Gervais special with my husband, we were like... why is he just doing boring boomer humor? We thought that maybe our sense of humor had changed, because the audience was certainly cracking up. Glad to know it's not just us.
The more stuff Ricky Gervais does without Stephen Merchant, the more obvious it is that Stephen Merchant was the one with the real talent in that comedy duo. The Office was beyond genius, David Brent: Life On The Road was beyond tiresome.
Marc Marons last special includes a joke about the time he visited his dying girlfriend in the hospital. That’s how you do dark humour, not “cripples eh? What’s the deal with them?”
I appreciate the commentary from someone who’s actually worked in comedy, it adds a lot
Awh thank you. 💕
Calling this ho “comedy” is really fn funny.
I got through the Dave Chappelle special but man I was ten minutes through the Gervais one before I watched cartel beheading videos to watch something less upsetting
I could hear the quotes around "comedians" at the beginning
Gervais' specials always have the feel that they were hastily written in the days before filming, lazily rehashing jokes he's basically made before just so he has something to say when he walks onto the stage. It feels like he really can't be bothered anymore but the money and attention are just to irresistible for him to call it a day. It's just all so lazy and tired. At least with Chappelle you can see the craft and time he puts into his jokes. He genuinely wants to give the audience a great show....he cares. It's just so sad and strange that he's happy to settle into the role of 'the guy who tells trans jokes'. Yeah we get it Dave, you think trans people are hilarious, awful, gross and far too sensitive. It's literally pathetic.
I 100% agree with the point of repeating the same decades old jokes, that require zero thought or creativity, being repeated by aging millionaires...
The real offensive joke here is how people paid some pretty hard-earned cash just to hear "attack helicopter" jokes, jokes that can be found on the internet for free.
Dave is just like the comedians in the 50s and 60s. He punches down with transphopia. They punched down with rascism. Way to perpetuate the cycle, Dave!
Dave's special has a 20% score on Rotten Tomatoes and Ricky's has a 50%. These guys are past their prime.
OOOOF. I didn't even realize.
Uhm are we seeing the same? 31 from the "critics" and 91 audience score. Also for Dave 20 critics and 82 adience. Nobody gives a flying fuck about "critics", they are, like gaming "journalistst" just a waste of oxygen.
You sound like a cultist lol
Dave's jokes don't offend me, im not offended, like.... its not that Im angry and bothered, they just make me sad. I just want to feel okay and normal, and not be treated like a fucking freak because of how i want to look or act.... You know?... I put on eyeliner and tight jeans and now I'm fkin radioactive. After his last special where he said he'd quit fucking with us, i assumed I was good to watch this, but no. I got offered to go see him and its like I have a panic attack pissing in a public bathroom, and I cant even feel safe going to see one of my most favorite comedians perform live because im like this. Im not offended, I just dont know where i belong in the world and it makes me sad.
You have to put on eyeliner and tight jeans before you become “radioactive”? Imagine that but like all the time because you’re Black… and people still laugh at and tell jokes about you.
Why are you assuming the poster isn't aware of racism? They likely are. People should not have to disguise themselves to be accepted or at least left alone.
@@celloafterdark4173 Because the poster never had a problem with Dave’s jokes about Black people. It was funny up until he started joking about the transes. Now he’s an out of touch dangerous black man.
Ricky especially just wields this whole wounded ego thing constantly
The most offensive thing about Ricky Gervais is how lazy his set is.
Ricky Gervais Special: The most offensive jokes from 2012.
And the golden globe goes to....
Cry harder
If I didn’t know better I’d think Gervais is doing some kind of Tim Heidecker style intentionally dated and off putting persona as a bit. It’s so wild that he’s like 60 and his whole thing is going “does that…shock you?” after making fairly tame observations.
It could be SO GOOD if he was self aware enough to pull it off. I really don’t think he is.
NO MORE BULLSHIT! 😅
jimmy carr got mocked for prefacing some fairly tame and stale dark jokes with how apparently edgy and shocking they were. maybe comedians who were cutting edge 20 years ago and haven't changed their material since then talk about how risqué they still are as a way to deal with feeling passé
I find it very funny that the British host the most prestigious flower show on earth, the product of a thousand year long tradition of using complex bouquet arrangements to send social ques, where misplacing a daisy could lead to a century long feud between feudal houses and he thinks having an institute of flower arrangement is "woke". My dude this is literally the "European Culture" you're so desperately clinging to. The Victorians built hothouses just to grow flowers for their bouquets.
Also obviously yes many other cultures have many ancient traditions of flower arrrangment and gifting. People seem to generally like pretty colors and before dyes, before printing, before even farming, Gug could go out to the meadow and find some beautiful colors to make Ugg a bracelet.
Somewhat off topic, but I recently watched a Tom Scott video about a flower market in The Netherlands which is larger than the entire country of Monaco.
The thing is Jim Carey nearly lost his mind playing Andy Kaufman. So a better observation would be that pretending to be Andy Kaufman is what trans people have to do before they transition
Maybe he did he's an anti vaxxer that's some serious brain worms right there.