It's Tywin's way of showing him who's really in charge. Joffrey may be king, but the fact that Tywin can approach the king without any fear or hesitation shows that he can control Joffrey as he pleases. Not to mention that just before this, Joffrey was complaining about having to walk to the king's council, and this is way of showing that unlike Joffrey, Tywin's actually putting effort into ruling.
One thing I love about this scene is how Joffrey starts out extremely arrogant talking about how long it would take him to attend the meetings and then once Tywin is in front of him, he shrinks away and the dialogue changes to "don't you think". Two great actors, great writing, great source material. Gods but the writing was strong then
The scene was meant to show that Joffrey never had any power. He was merely a place holder and that Tywin was the true power in King's Landing at the time.
He was definitely right. However they already had a war on their hands and it may not have went their way if Tywin hadn’t been scheming with the Frey’s.
In all fairness, Tywin’s just going by what’s been reported to him at this time. Once he realizes Daenerys is an actual threat he quickly began to make moves against her.
@@Laurentus I think literally everyone in Westeros underestimated Dany. Robert was maybe the only one who didn't underestimate her, and that had a double irony- one, that he was right for the wrong reason (rage rather than wisdom), and two, that his attempt to rectify the situation was actually what hastened it coming about.
The physical acting is so good. The moment Tywin steps in, it’s clear he commands the situation. He pauses momentarily and the Kingsguard immediately know to stay back.
Notice how the first line Geoffrey says after Tywin climbs the steps and subtly threatens him, he chokes up a bit and stutters. He's absolutely pissing himself and I think for the first time truly understands what Tywin meant when he said "any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king" Fantastic acting all around
Those thinking that Tywin was ignoring the threat forget that a few scenes later he's consulting Oberyn to try and bury the hatchet and make an alliance with them, because they were the only ones to resist the dragons of the Targaryans. It goes to show that Tywin WAS taking them seriously, but he didn't want to share any of that with his idiot grandson.
Yup this was basically him just being annoyed and swatting Joffrey's pathetic attempt to appear competent away (because he knows there's no genuine interest in ruling behind it).
I know this scene is lauded for its dialogue and the power moves but this is one of the funniest scenes in the show. Especially Joffrey's reaction after Tywin says "Whenever necessary". Brilliant!
the way he walks with the kingsguards pursuing him, pauses, making them stop and then continues again, signalling to them not to continue following him
charles dance is obviously one hell of an actor but man jack gleeson is also a god damn powerhouse. not only holding his own in a scene with a veteran like CD but matching him i’d say. the fact that he’s an irish kid who is able to pull of a flawless RP accent, with what sounds like it could be improvised vocabulary from the (fictional) time period at around 2:30 when he pauses in weird places like just before the word “beasts” and i could be wrong but this sounds like improv / forgetting a line or something and the fact that he’s able to still pull off the delivery and make non contemporary language sound so natural, especially as a kid, is seriously so impressive. dude has some acting chops.
Joffrey was written not only as a psychopathic monster, but also as an insufferable little shit, and Jack Gleeson managed to make the character even MORE hateable than in the books. Every time this dude was on screen I was like "if they summoned a train out of thin air to hit this guy right now, I would not be mad. Might even throw a party". That's an amazing feat for an actor.
Heel as he was during the show, Charles Dance played Tywin Lannister immaculately. He always provided such a strong presence when he was in a scene. Jack Gleeson also did a fantastic job keeping everyone hating the boy king while also exposing his extreme cowardice (which added to the disdain).
joffrey was actually pretty clever in his own way. there's few other times he discusses strategy with his family and makes some good points. it's sad really. he COULD have grown up to be a brilliant tactician like his grandfather or a fighter like his father (real or fake) but because Cersei babied him and taught him that whatever he did was "right" and therefore should do whatever he wanted, he grew up rotten like her.
@@MrHandss A brilliant tactician? Of course the king who had abandoned the siege of his capital and had his uncle come up with the defense plans certainly would’ve been a wonderful commander. He would’ve grew up to have the wrath of Maegor Targaryen and the cowardly, frail bearing of Aenys Targaryen. He’s lucky poison is what killed him otherwise he’d be shamefully crushed by a rebellious usurper in the future
@@paytondelaney8316Even in the show there's a strong case to be made that he could have ended up being one of the "best" Lannisters if he was raised by literally anyone other than Cersei.
@@generalbutterscotch4887 well his inbred genes would of probably made him crazy no matter what. When the targeryeon inbreed they went half mad. So Joffrey my of been doomed from the beginning
Ironic how the only time Joffrey was actually thinking straight and awared of the danger of the enemy, was just another of the many times tywin would just ignore him for his own opinion sake.
"I will see to it that you are appropriately consulted on important matters....whenever necessary." Of course, it will never be necessary, and the appropriate consultation will be practically none at all.
Its been said before but man, the writing was strong back then... In this one scene, if you never watched the show, you get so much character and world building delivered so naturally. You know the relationships between characters that arent even present, like how Tywin was Hand for both Joffery and the Mad King but the two arent connected. That the Mad King was a Targaryen with the mention of the dragons and so on. Im convinced you can show someone who had never seen the series this scene and they would have a pretty solid idea of the state of the world.
The line, "I've been very busy. Many important matters require the Kings attention," makes me face palm so hard. The council meetings can arguably be the most important matters a King could possibly have. I know it's Joffrey so there's no surprise he'd bitch even though he hardly attends them but still. He realizes he needs to know certain things so why not just go?
He's...not underrated? Just because he's never been a leading man doesn't mean critics and audiences have always ignored him. Pretty much every movie he's been in, people agree that he steals the scenes.
Compare this (hell compare any conversation he has with anyone) to the convo/banter he has with Arya (youtube search it). Its staggering how much respect he has for her vs anyone else. Love Charles Dance
Game of Thrones has such excellent cinematography and blocking & staging that it makes the subtext rich and revelatory. The camera angles and positioning, all so well done. When Joffrey asks why the small meetings are held in the Hand's tower, we see Joffrey seated on the throne, from below the steps which naturally puts Joffrey on an elevated position, on a higher place. Then he argues that he would now have to climb the steps of the Hand's Tower all the way to his chamber to attend the meetings. Then Tywin comes closer and starts climbing the steps and that's when I love watching how the camera is placed behind Tywin as we see him climbing and as he climbs each step, the whole length or height of his figure is revealed. To heighten the dramatic effect we do not just see him walking towards the throne and climbing the steps, we also hear the sound of his footsteps, strong, firm and controlled. They could have composed some tense music for this scene but instead there is no background score because the sound of Tywin's footsteps is enough to heighten that dramatic effect which is a credit to the sound design. When Tywin is finally at the top and close to Joffrey's throne, there is something of a top shot wherein Joffrey is still seen seated on the throne and Tywin is still seen standing but the top shot creates that beautiful illusion of Joffrey looking smaller before Tywin's intimidating and authoritative presence and his tall towering figure which very interesting because even in the scene they were just talking small meetings held at the Hand's tower and Tywin offering to have Joffrey carried if he finds it troublesome to climb the steps. 😂😂😂 Great work by the GoT team to create such wonderful cinematic moments!!!!
If Joffrey were smarter and in better control of himself, he might've counseled Tywin, instead of the other way around. "Today you believe they're curiosities. Yesterday you believed they were gone entirely. Tomorrow you may see yourself consumed by fire because you failed to act."
@Anjelica Snorcket🎭 Varys told him and the entire small council in the books but no one took it nearly as seriously. So TV Tywin is doing the exact same thing he did in the books, taking it lightly.
@Anjelica Snorcket🎭 Ah but even then he doesn’t necessarily have a point to care. They’re all the across the narrow sea, presumably just born, and under the control of someone who likely may not have an interest in returning to Westeros. These stories of existing dragons in the books came more from sailors rather than spies. It’d be years before they became a actual threat anyhow and the WoTFK was still being cleaned up, if anything another claimant-usurper popping up was more of a concern. If Joffrey was any sort of king he’d have taken initiative and collaborated with the one person (Varys) who could’ve had Dany’s dragons killed while they were still very young.
this among many scenes just shows that titles and crowns don't really mean anything when one person is doing all of the work and has loads of experience
To respond to "Am I meant to walk up all those stairs" with the absolute fucking power move of walking up the stairs, as an old man, directly to the kings throne and then looking down upon your impudent grandson to respond with "We could arrange to have you carried." keeps me up at night
Thing about Joffrey is that at times he actually shows competence, but between Cersei's indulgence and protectiveness and Tywin's dismissiveness he was never taken seriously or allowed to actually take responsibility. Had he been sent to be warded at Winterfell like Robert wanted, he might've actually grown up to be a good ruler.
I love it when Tywin just walked up the stairs to Joffrey sitting on the throne. Joffrey complaining about having to climb the stairs to the Tower of the Hand to attend meetings, and here's Tywin walking up to him as if he's trying to say "I can do it and I'm only 60-something years old. What's your excuse?". At least Tywin was attending them
Joffrey: "I should be consulted about such matter." Tywin: "From now on I will see to it you are consulted about such matters..." Joffrey: 😀 Tywin: "Whenever necessary." Joffrey: 😐
I cannot tell if it is the character of Tywin Lannister or the tremendous presence of Charles Dance that sends shivers down the spine. Each utterance delivered with equal calm and malice alike, the grin he displays as he coyly walks down the steps of the throne - he was the ultimate shot caller. If it were a cell block he always had the keys. "your grace, " = fuck you
2:14 that line has always got me Cause in season one Viserys explains to doreah when he was a boy he remembered that the throne room was lined with the skulls of the dragons and that the closer you got to the Iron Throne the bigger they got. Yet Tywin says here that the dragon skull close to the throne was the " size of an apple " Now real world me always just figure it was a continuity error. But in universe I always wondered who was telling the truth about the dragon skulls Viserys was only a boy, while Tywin was a younger man. But they both spent time in the Red Keep and both saw the throne room with the skulls Idk just a scene that can be seen so many ways.
Tywin is calm because Daenerys was unmarried at the moment. In Tywin's mind, all issues could be resolved with another colorful wedding event and he would be the one end the Targeryen dynasty in the end...
I love Tywin the actor did such a good job showing everyone in the house who act like idiots and he’s the only one with power and a head on his shoulders. It’s funny how the king is scared of him and in another scene where he told the king to go to sleep your tired 😂 😂😂
Had Tyrion not murdered Tywin I do wonder how the series would have played out. We have to assume that the night king would still have killed one of the dragons and that the Battle of Winterfell would have occurred. The Sept would not have been blown up though. Tommen would have still been alive leaving Tywin in control. I have to assume a united Lannister and Tyrell army (plus the Tyrell vassal houses who were actually good fighters) would have been stronger than the Lannister army alone.
@@isaaccerna1022I see this kind of statement thrown around a lot about Tywin’s possible survival. I don’t see how him keeping around would have made Tommen’s reign any better. He was smart sure, but his only solution to virtually every problem was mass murder. Sure, the Faith Militant wouldn’t have arose, but the continued reign of terror by Proxy King Tywin wouldn’t have been any better.
@@Jmetclaf7053 Tywin was FAR from a one trick pony. He put Olena Tyrell, a formidable player of the game herself in her place with a simple loophole, he got Tommen onside with the gentlest of prodding knowing he was a much softer person, and he saw straight through Pycell and used that to stack the Kings council in his favor. In the books it was well mentioned that when Tywin was hand of the king under King Aerys III the realm enjoyed an unprecedented 20 years of peace and prosperity until the mad king made life so difficult for him he had no choice but to step down. Also in the books, Tywin's famous "Any man who says 'I am the king' is no true king" quote also included the line "When people bend the knee, you must raise them up once more, or no man will ever bend the knee to you again". And rather than just going straight to mass murder, Tywin will often simply send a bard to whoever was troubling him to play "Rains of Castamere" as a gentle reminder of the consequences of getting on Tywin's bad side and it was usually enough. If Tywin had remained alive the situation would have been much greater.
Tywin was right. At that moment, juvenile dragons across the sea were no threat. He was monitoring Daenerys rise thru his network of spies. And making what moves he could, but there was nothing whatsoever he could do about dragons outside of his realm. His immediate threats were where his attention and forces were focused, and as long as he was alive, he defeated, kept them at bay or undermined them successfully. His one failing was letting his revulsion for Tyrion being a dwarf and killing his wife in being born get the better of his judgement. Tyrion was the smartest and most capable of his children, and had he respected that and given him the recognition he craved Tyrion would have been his loyal and reliable ally and the future of his line. But in hating him, and failing to acknowledge the brilliance of his defense of the King’s landing, he ended up being undone by the one decent and capable man he sired.
Even before he speaks, Tywin makes his authority clear. He arrives flanked by guards. He stops. He walks *slowly* toward the throne. He stops. He gives the barest of nearly-imperceptible bows. His whole demeanor is communicating: "I'm the one with the power here and the only reason I'm standing in front of you right now, you brainless little shit, is because appearances demand it."
Tywin also decided to end the conversation and leave when he felt it was done, instead of waiting to be dismissed. He doesn't have any air of submission to the king.
Joffrey was going through all the motions of Kingship while both he and Tywin knew who truly held the power in this exchange. Joffrey always though that his crown gave him power, Tywin showed him just how folly that idea was
The worst part of all of this, is Tywin may have been right if he didn't hate Tyrion so much. Dany would not have been as big of a threat without Tyrion becoming her hand.
Tywin clearly intimidated Joffrey. Despite his bravado, the young king would shrink away from real men like his grandfather or Ser Barristan Selmy. But such is typical of cowards.
If Tywin lannister was put inside the body of Viserys in House of the Dragon, I'm fairly sure he would take one look at all the antics and issues in the family, and the actions of Rhaenyra and Daemon and instantly solve the dance before it ever comes. "You have shamed the targaryen name by siring those three bastards and daring to pass them off as heirs to our family and my throne, the throne our esteemed ancestor built. If you weren't my daughter I would have you sent to the silent sisters and the bastards to the wall, but as you are, you shall publicly give up all claims of theirs to the iron throne and driftmark, while your marriage with Daemon will be annuled. Why? Because you have further shamed and disgraced our name and house by marrying your uncle mere days after your husbands death, I made you heir to stop your feckless, mad, and violent uncle from being on the throne, a decision I regret every day a bit more, as all you have done since then is shame yourself, our family, me, draw our house into scandals that have almost ruined our proud legacy and proved yourself utterly unsuitable to be my heir, let alone anyone's heir. Either you annul your marriage and I shall marry you to someone of my choosing, or you may keep Daemon but you shall do it without lands or titles and neither gods or men will make me undo my decision to strip you of your place in sucession."
Tywin only died because the gravity from his balls pulled those crossbow bolts toward him. Credit to Joffrey here, though; he was right about the dragons.
Part of me wishes that Tywin and Joffrey had lived long enough to see Dany's dragons wreak havoc on Westeros just so Joffrey could tell Tywin "I told you so."
I feel bad for Joffrey. The kid wasn't raised properly and had to go through life severely ill equipped and ill taught, thinking he could have whatever he wanted without question.
Joffery actively leaning back and shrinking as Tywin climbs the steps is such good acting.
shrinking isn't possible if you measured the volume the king took up before and after tywin ascended the stairs it should end up the same!
@@dunsdonjone1537Tywin has a special ability "shrink gaze"
It's Tywin's way of showing him who's really in charge. Joffrey may be king, but the fact that Tywin can approach the king without any fear or hesitation shows that he can control Joffrey as he pleases. Not to mention that just before this, Joffrey was complaining about having to walk to the king's council, and this is way of showing that unlike Joffrey, Tywin's actually putting effort into ruling.
good direction is what you mean
@@dunsdonjone1537 💀
1:52 Everyone bear witness to Joffrey's single moment of logical thinking!
He also was right in a previous episode about criticizing the vassal system for raising armies rather than having a centralized army.
@@VisibleNoises True although his proposed implementation of a standing army would have gone well for him.
@@VisibleNoises not while you're in debt...
Threat of the north, royal army, and the danger of rumors
He had a second one - dying before season 7.
when tywin climbs the steps looming over joffrey, god good! what a character
Such a power move. "Let me just remind you who's in charge around here, you little shit!"
One thing I love about this scene is how Joffrey starts out extremely arrogant talking about how long it would take him to attend the meetings and then once Tywin is in front of him, he shrinks away and the dialogue changes to "don't you think". Two great actors, great writing, great source material. Gods but the writing was strong then
@@JacksonNomadespecially because it also serves as a response to Joffrey saying he'd have to climb all the stairs.
I know we're all loving Tywin in this scene but I think we've all got to grudgingly admit that Joffrey was right in this instance.
The scene was meant to show that Joffrey never had any power. He was merely a place holder and that Tywin was the true power in King's Landing at the time.
Nullveer just like with Aerys.
He was definitely right. However they already had a war on their hands and it may not have went their way if Tywin hadn’t been scheming with the Frey’s.
Even a busted clock is right twice a day
Yup
charles dance had by far the strongest screen presence of all the deceased characters. god i miss him
He even had it while sitting on the toilet.
He's like that in everything he's ever done. Bloody awesome. Seen The Last Action Hero? What a villain!
"We could arrange to have you carried" might be the best line in the entirety of GoT
Thanks for not saying it's "under rated"
Every line in every episode in every show is the best line. Lmao just stfu. I'm sick of reading comments like these
@@downup-fx7wr do you go to every comment section and do that ? It’s Yt man not everyone has seen the entire show
You forget "leave one wolf alive and the sheep are never safe"
@@downup-fx7wrnobody forces you to read comments 😢 if it’s so much of a burden to you why would do you continue to burden yourself
Joffrey's only contribution was the concern of dragons LOL
and killing people lol.
Royal army was a good idea too. The crown was dependent on high lords instead of its own army.
Not true. He was right to execute Ned, or we wouldn't have this great show to watch, up until season 7 anyway. 😂
that one moment Tywin was actualy being ignorant....and Joffrey was wise to doubt the fact Daenery's dragons may not be unreal or very small...
Tywin was prone to underestimating his enemies.
@@Laurentus until the most little person in the realm killed him
In all fairness, Tywin’s just going by what’s been reported to him at this time. Once he realizes Daenerys is an actual threat he quickly began to make moves against her.
To be fair, he then began making alliances with Dorne quickly afterwards
@@Laurentus I think literally everyone in Westeros underestimated Dany. Robert was maybe the only one who didn't underestimate her, and that had a double irony- one, that he was right for the wrong reason (rage rather than wisdom), and two, that his attempt to rectify the situation was actually what hastened it coming about.
"You are being counselled at this very moment" hahaha
B, but I've never been owned...
You are being owned at this very moment
The physical acting is so good. The moment Tywin steps in, it’s clear he commands the situation. He pauses momentarily and the Kingsguard immediately know to stay back.
Notice how the first line Geoffrey says after Tywin climbs the steps and subtly threatens him, he chokes up a bit and stutters. He's absolutely pissing himself and I think for the first time truly understands what Tywin meant when he said "any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king"
Fantastic acting all around
Tywin’s smile at the end walking down the stairs is priceless
Those thinking that Tywin was ignoring the threat forget that a few scenes later he's consulting Oberyn to try and bury the hatchet and make an alliance with them, because they were the only ones to resist the dragons of the Targaryans.
It goes to show that Tywin WAS taking them seriously, but he didn't want to share any of that with his idiot grandson.
Yup this was basically him just being annoyed and swatting Joffrey's pathetic attempt to appear competent away (because he knows there's no genuine interest in ruling behind it).
I know this scene is lauded for its dialogue and the power moves but this is one of the funniest scenes in the show. Especially Joffrey's reaction after Tywin says "Whenever necessary". Brilliant!
The meeting scene in S3 is way funnier imo. Joffrey was on everyone's last nerve. 😂😂😂
~~your grace~~
I think I can see Tywin grin a little as he walks away, as if he's thinking "Gods, I love putting that little shit in his place!"
"Better than just slapping the ___t out of him him."
I love how his footsteps echo here. That man's footsteps are bigger than this boy's whole life.
the way he walks with the kingsguards pursuing him, pauses, making them stop and then continues again, signalling to them not to continue following him
I noticed that part for the first time today
Typing has spent the last 17 years stocking the Kingsguard with men specifically loyal to him, not the crown.
The utter FEAR in Joffrey's eyes as Tywin walks up the stairs is too good.
Those kingsguard definitely knew who was ruling kingslanding 😂
I'll give the writers this, they used stairs as symbolism for power dynamics between two speakers quite well and often.
charles dance is obviously one hell of an actor but man jack gleeson is also a god damn powerhouse. not only holding his own in a scene with a veteran like CD but matching him i’d say. the fact that he’s an irish kid who is able to pull of a flawless RP accent, with what sounds like it could be improvised vocabulary from the (fictional) time period at around 2:30 when he pauses in weird places like just before the word “beasts” and i could be wrong but this sounds like improv / forgetting a line or something and the fact that he’s able to still pull off the delivery and make non contemporary language sound so natural, especially as a kid, is seriously so impressive. dude has some acting chops.
Joffrey was written not only as a psychopathic monster, but also as an insufferable little shit, and Jack Gleeson managed to make the character even MORE hateable than in the books. Every time this dude was on screen I was like "if they summoned a train out of thin air to hit this guy right now, I would not be mad. Might even throw a party". That's an amazing feat for an actor.
I love the over the shoulder camera as Tywin approaches the throne. If you enter a room like that you will command the attention of everyone present.
"whenever necessary". Lol.
The fact that he actually attends the council meetings shows that he can withhold information from Joffrey as he pleases
I also just noticed this. Like it completely invalidated everything Joffrey was asking for without making it obvious. He truly was the Lion King.
Heel as he was during the show, Charles Dance played Tywin Lannister immaculately. He always provided such a strong presence when he was in a scene. Jack Gleeson also did a fantastic job keeping everyone hating the boy king while also exposing his extreme cowardice (which added to the disdain).
"You are being schooled at this very moment"
Never gets old. Owned.
Just like lannister children
One of the few instances in which Joffrey was actually right. I tend to find myself rooting for him slightly in his conversations with tywin.
joffrey was actually pretty clever in his own way. there's few other times he discusses strategy with his family and makes some good points. it's sad really. he COULD have grown up to be a brilliant tactician like his grandfather or a fighter like his father (real or fake) but because Cersei babied him and taught him that whatever he did was "right" and therefore should do whatever he wanted, he grew up rotten like her.
@@MrHandss A brilliant tactician? Of course the king who had abandoned the siege of his capital and had his uncle come up with the defense plans certainly would’ve been a wonderful commander. He would’ve grew up to have the wrath of Maegor Targaryen and the cowardly, frail bearing of Aenys Targaryen. He’s lucky poison is what killed him otherwise he’d be shamefully crushed by a rebellious usurper in the future
@@whinecooler his talking about the Joffrey in the books and not the show.
@@paytondelaney8316Even in the show there's a strong case to be made that he could have ended up being one of the "best" Lannisters if he was raised by literally anyone other than Cersei.
@@generalbutterscotch4887 well his inbred genes would of probably made him crazy no matter what. When the targeryeon inbreed they went half mad. So Joffrey my of been doomed from the beginning
Ironic how the only time Joffrey was actually thinking straight and awared of the danger of the enemy, was just another of the many times tywin would just ignore him for his own opinion sake.
"I will see to it that you are appropriately consulted on important matters....whenever necessary." Of course, it will never be necessary, and the appropriate consultation will be practically none at all.
Bloody love the subtle smirk on Tywin's face as he calmly strolls away 😆😅
Charles Dance excudes greatness...the cadence in his speech is amazing
The only time Tywin was wrong and Joffrey was right.
AWESOME! I've been dying to see this scene again. Tywin being a boss and Joffrey's just a pampered brat being yanked around.
Its been said before but man, the writing was strong back then...
In this one scene, if you never watched the show, you get so much character and world building delivered so naturally. You know the relationships between characters that arent even present, like how Tywin was Hand for both Joffery and the Mad King but the two arent connected. That the Mad King was a Targaryen with the mention of the dragons and so on.
Im convinced you can show someone who had never seen the series this scene and they would have a pretty solid idea of the state of the world.
The line, "I've been very busy. Many important matters require the Kings attention," makes me face palm so hard. The council meetings can arguably be the most important matters a King could possibly have. I know it's Joffrey so there's no surprise he'd bitch even though he hardly attends them but still. He realizes he needs to know certain things so why not just go?
If he goes to the meetings he’ll get owned like he did here but in front of others. He’d rather plot his own plans independently
Robert didn't attend council meetings Joffrey doesn't understand what he's doing wrong.
Still the most epic stair climb in the history of everything.
This was the most civil conversation Joffrey ever had.
Charles Dance is such a magnificent actor. He's so underrated.
I loved him in Dracula untold and underworld!
He's...not underrated? Just because he's never been a leading man doesn't mean critics and audiences have always ignored him. Pretty much every movie he's been in, people agree that he steals the scenes.
🤔… Here’s a throwback back for you… he was the bad guy in “The Golden Child.” Sardo Numspa 😈
"We could arrange to have you carried" perfect response to humiliate him without defying him.
Love this scene. I am rewatching the show once again. The early seasons are spectacular.
The way he climbs the stairs before answering him speaks volumes lol
Compare this (hell compare any conversation he has with anyone) to the convo/banter he has with Arya (youtube search it). Its staggering how much respect he has for her vs anyone else.
Love Charles Dance
Game of Thrones has such excellent cinematography and blocking & staging that it makes the subtext rich and revelatory. The camera angles and positioning, all so well done. When Joffrey asks why the small meetings are held in the Hand's tower, we see Joffrey seated on the throne, from below the steps which naturally puts Joffrey on an elevated position, on a higher place. Then he argues that he would now have to climb the steps of the Hand's Tower all the way to his chamber to attend the meetings. Then Tywin comes closer and starts climbing the steps and that's when I love watching how the camera is placed behind Tywin as we see him climbing and as he climbs each step, the whole length or height of his figure is revealed. To heighten the dramatic effect we do not just see him walking towards the throne and climbing the steps, we also hear the sound of his footsteps, strong, firm and controlled. They could have composed some tense music for this scene but instead there is no background score because the sound of Tywin's footsteps is enough to heighten that dramatic effect which is a credit to the sound design. When Tywin is finally at the top and close to Joffrey's throne, there is something of a top shot wherein Joffrey is still seen seated on the throne and Tywin is still seen standing but the top shot creates that beautiful illusion of Joffrey looking smaller before Tywin's intimidating and authoritative presence and his tall towering figure which very interesting because even in the scene they were just talking small meetings held at the Hand's tower and Tywin offering to have Joffrey carried if he finds it troublesome to climb the steps. 😂😂😂
Great work by the GoT team to create such wonderful cinematic moments!!!!
If Joffrey were smarter and in better control of himself, he might've counseled Tywin, instead of the other way around. "Today you believe they're curiosities. Yesterday you believed they were gone entirely. Tomorrow you may see yourself consumed by fire because you failed to act."
Nice
@Anjelica Snorcket🎭 Varys told him and the entire small council in the books but no one took it nearly as seriously. So TV Tywin is doing the exact same thing he did in the books, taking it lightly.
@Anjelica Snorcket🎭 Ah but even then he doesn’t necessarily have a point to care. They’re all the across the narrow sea, presumably just born, and under the control of someone who likely may not have an interest in returning to Westeros. These stories of existing dragons in the books came more from sailors rather than spies. It’d be years before they became a actual threat anyhow and the WoTFK was still being cleaned up, if anything another claimant-usurper popping up was more of a concern.
If Joffrey was any sort of king he’d have taken initiative and collaborated with the one person (Varys) who could’ve had Dany’s dragons killed while they were still very young.
this among many scenes just shows that titles and crowns don't really mean anything when one person is doing all of the work and has loads of experience
To respond to "Am I meant to walk up all those stairs" with the absolute fucking power move of walking up the stairs, as an old man, directly to the kings throne and then looking down upon your impudent grandson to respond with "We could arrange to have you carried." keeps me up at night
Thing about Joffrey is that at times he actually shows competence, but between Cersei's indulgence and protectiveness and Tywin's dismissiveness he was never taken seriously or allowed to actually take responsibility.
Had he been sent to be warded at Winterfell like Robert wanted, he might've actually grown up to be a good ruler.
He was actually intelligent. Spoiled, monstrous, and unwise, but intelligent.
“Whenever necessary” lol Tywin was the actual king.
I love it when Tywin just walked up the stairs to Joffrey sitting on the throne. Joffrey complaining about having to climb the stairs to the Tower of the Hand to attend meetings, and here's Tywin walking up to him as if he's trying to say "I can do it and I'm only 60-something years old. What's your excuse?". At least Tywin was attending them
Both of these actors are powerhouses ngl
I love that Tywin was trying to teach him to trust those that are wiser. He refused, and thus, a bad king.
Tywins smile while he’s leaving. PRICELESS😂😂
Tywin commands respect. The true king behind the scenes..
Power moves to approach the king and to leave when he pleases
Joffrey: "I should be consulted about such matter."
Tywin: "From now on I will see to it you are consulted about such matters..."
Joffrey: 😀
Tywin: "Whenever necessary."
Joffrey: 😐
“whenever necessary”
So, in other words, never.
@@steven-el3sw”appropriately”
Gods this show was strong then.
Says "Your Grace" at the end like a courtesy rather than a duty. Savage.
I cannot tell if it is the character of Tywin Lannister or the tremendous presence of Charles Dance that sends shivers down the spine. Each utterance delivered with equal calm and malice alike, the grin he displays as he coyly walks down the steps of the throne - he was the ultimate shot caller. If it were a cell block he always had the keys.
"your grace, " = fuck you
This is the best scene in Game of Thrones, maybe together with "the king is tired, see him to his chambers"
Joffrey’s cloak here actually is one of the best I’ve seen on this show
2:14 that line has always got me
Cause in season one Viserys explains to doreah when he was a boy he remembered that the throne room was lined with the skulls of the dragons and that the closer you got to the Iron Throne the bigger they got.
Yet Tywin says here that the dragon skull close to the throne was the " size of an apple " Now real world me always just figure it was a continuity error.
But in universe I always wondered who was telling the truth about the dragon skulls
Viserys was only a boy, while Tywin was a younger man. But they both spent time in the Red Keep and both saw the throne room with the skulls
Idk just a scene that can be seen so many ways.
The way he walked up the steps 😮
Tywin is calm because Daenerys was unmarried at the moment. In Tywin's mind, all issues could be resolved with another colorful wedding event and he would be the one end the Targeryen dynasty in the end...
The guards all stay back from a dude who might easily murder Joffrey. Because they know who is the real boss.
I love Tywin the actor did such a good job showing everyone in the house who act like idiots and he’s the only one with power and a head on his shoulders. It’s funny how the king is scared of him and in another scene where he told the king to go to sleep your tired 😂 😂😂
Had Tyrion not murdered Tywin I do wonder how the series would have played out. We have to assume that the night king would still have killed one of the dragons and that the Battle of Winterfell would have occurred. The Sept would not have been blown up though. Tommen would have still been alive leaving Tywin in control. I have to assume a united Lannister and Tyrell army (plus the Tyrell vassal houses who were actually good fighters) would have been stronger than the Lannister army alone.
I don't think Tywin would have let the High Sparrow get as much power as he did.
With Tywin still alive, Tommen would have been a better, if not the best king of Westeros in a lifetime
@@isaaccerna1022I see this kind of statement thrown around a lot about Tywin’s possible survival. I don’t see how him keeping around would have made Tommen’s reign any better. He was smart sure, but his only solution to virtually every problem was mass murder. Sure, the Faith Militant wouldn’t have arose, but the continued reign of terror by Proxy King Tywin wouldn’t have been any better.
@@Jmetclaf7053 Tywin was FAR from a one trick pony. He put Olena Tyrell, a formidable player of the game herself in her place with a simple loophole, he got Tommen onside with the gentlest of prodding knowing he was a much softer person, and he saw straight through Pycell and used that to stack the Kings council in his favor. In the books it was well mentioned that when Tywin was hand of the king under King Aerys III the realm enjoyed an unprecedented 20 years of peace and prosperity until the mad king made life so difficult for him he had no choice but to step down. Also in the books, Tywin's famous "Any man who says 'I am the king' is no true king" quote also included the line "When people bend the knee, you must raise them up once more, or no man will ever bend the knee to you again". And rather than just going straight to mass murder, Tywin will often simply send a bard to whoever was troubling him to play "Rains of Castamere" as a gentle reminder of the consequences of getting on Tywin's bad side and it was usually enough. If Tywin had remained alive the situation would have been much greater.
I think Joffrey just got the Pimp Hand of the King
EVERY ABOUT TYWIN IS BOSS MATERIAL!
Tywin was right. At that moment, juvenile dragons across the sea were no threat. He was monitoring Daenerys rise thru his network of spies. And making what moves he could, but there was nothing whatsoever he could do about dragons outside of his realm. His immediate threats were where his attention and forces were focused, and as long as he was alive, he defeated, kept them at bay or undermined them successfully.
His one failing was letting his revulsion for Tyrion being a dwarf and killing his wife in being born get the better of his judgement. Tyrion was the smartest and most capable of his children, and had he respected that and given him the recognition he craved Tyrion would have been his loyal and reliable ally and the future of his line. But in hating him, and failing to acknowledge the brilliance of his defense of the King’s landing, he ended up being undone by the one decent and capable man he sired.
Cersei: “Perhaps you should try keeping him from doing what he likes.”
Tywin: “I will.”
Tywinn climbing the stairs to say..we could arrange to have you carried..is mire satisfying than geofrys actual murder..
1:26
Joffrey's "Oh shit here he comes" face never ceases to amuse me
2:44 Twitter whenever they threaten to "cancel" you.
That's good
Even before he speaks, Tywin makes his authority clear. He arrives flanked by guards. He stops. He walks *slowly* toward the throne. He stops. He gives the barest of nearly-imperceptible bows. His whole demeanor is communicating: "I'm the one with the power here and the only reason I'm standing in front of you right now, you brainless little shit, is because appearances demand it."
Tywin also decided to end the conversation and leave when he felt it was done, instead of waiting to be dismissed. He doesn't have any air of submission to the king.
He doesn't even need to wear a belt to command.
Joffrey was the most powerful person probably in the world, yet he was so small and scared shitless of Tywin
Joffrey was going through all the motions of Kingship while both he and Tywin knew who truly held the power in this exchange. Joffrey always though that his crown gave him power, Tywin showed him just how folly that idea was
Tywin later said after Joffrey died that he wasn't a wise king yet this scene proves he knew the threat that was coming and eventually happened.
The worst part of all of this, is Tywin may have been right if he didn't hate Tyrion so much. Dany would not have been as big of a threat without Tyrion becoming her hand.
One of the best scenes
Tywin demonstrates the climbing of stairs
Jack Gleeson played this part to absolute perfection.
Tywin clearly intimidated Joffrey. Despite his bravado, the young king would shrink away from real men like his grandfather or Ser Barristan Selmy. But such is typical of cowards.
If Tywin lannister was put inside the body of Viserys in House of the Dragon, I'm fairly sure he would take one look at all the antics and issues in the family, and the actions of Rhaenyra and Daemon and instantly solve the dance before it ever comes.
"You have shamed the targaryen name by siring those three bastards and daring to pass them off as heirs to our family and my throne, the throne our esteemed ancestor built. If you weren't my daughter I would have you sent to the silent sisters and the bastards to the wall, but as you are, you shall publicly give up all claims of theirs to the iron throne and driftmark, while your marriage with Daemon will be annuled.
Why?
Because you have further shamed and disgraced our name and house by marrying your uncle mere days after your husbands death, I made you heir to stop your feckless, mad, and violent uncle from being on the throne, a decision I regret every day a bit more, as all you have done since then is shame yourself, our family, me, draw our house into scandals that have almost ruined our proud legacy and proved yourself utterly unsuitable to be my heir, let alone anyone's heir.
Either you annul your marriage and I shall marry you to someone of my choosing, or you may keep Daemon but you shall do it without lands or titles and neither gods or men will make me undo my decision to strip you of your place in sucession."
You have to love the irony that in this scene it's Joffrey who's being wise and Tywin is being the fool.
Joffrey isn’t even a good bullshitter. Many things need the Kings attention….you mean like the things we discuss at council meetings
"you are being owned at this very moment"
Tywin only died because the gravity from his balls pulled those crossbow bolts toward him. Credit to Joffrey here, though; he was right about the dragons.
*"We could arrange to have you carried there.....(something might happen tho...)"*
Joffrey was 100% right here
Wish Tywin got to see how 'little' a threat those dragons turned out to be.
Part of me wishes that Tywin and Joffrey had lived long enough to see Dany's dragons wreak havoc on Westeros just so Joffrey could tell Tywin "I told you so."
this was one of a couple times where i was like "Joffrey is kinda right here."
King Joffrey owned gramps big time, making him bow multiple times and call him "your grace" 💪🏻😎
It's not an "own" if the subject simply doesn't care and realizes that they are the one with all the cards.
I feel bad for Joffrey. The kid wasn't raised properly and had to go through life severely ill equipped and ill taught, thinking he could have whatever he wanted without question.
Tywin counseled the shit out of him! LOL
> "Curiosities on the far side of the world are no threat to us."
Funny in hindsight
What a fucking boss this man was👌👌👌
Change in the small council room was an insult to the king.
1:26 that lean says it all.