I just love the depth of the conversation and it is amazing how we are capable to be so obsessed with how we work and there is much more than physical beings.
Reason and Grace, baby. No contradictions there. The temporal and the transcendent are only in conflict in the simplest of minds. Bring in the science and behold the power of its revelations of truth. Bring in the grace and bask in its whispers of meaning. This panel proves that every once in a while humanity can be brilliant and fearless. Bravo!
Hmmmm. So ridicule his appearance? I thought this channel was about the search for something deeper than high school taunts. I found his perspective evocative.
I must admit, I had a difficult time following his long sentences. I tried very hard, but after so many "ands" , I had to wonder if he was able to follow himself.
He got set up.. This is sad. There are 2 people that have spent a lot of time studying and working within this field and the guy in the middle doesn't have close to the same knowledge about the subject. And the subject they picked didnt leave enough room for his side of knowledge and so on. They basically bullied him.
I thought this was a wonderful opportunity for people like myself to listen in, and enjoy interesting back and forth conversation from very impressive minds. I'm looking forward to more of the same.
What a tremendous setting and debate!! And the ending, so beautiful and so fitting honoring us as humans. Damn!! Comments below on "beardless santa", Leon Wieseltier are so far away from my experience it amazes me how it can be so far apart. I think Leon Wieseltier is so thoroughly discussing naturalist reductionism and is willing to go to the core of the issue. It is a beautiful respectful debate on such a detailed level that I loved every minute of it. And maybe because he seems more right brain dominant which resonates more with me, he has a more holistic view beyond the reductionist view which requires more of an acceptance of uncertainty than in science (even though I know that not to be so absolute)
brian greeñe and others, thank you beyond añything consequences on self doesnt matter, i appreciate not being alone. that the truth is there,and known my heart,my life is full of gratitude. still reaching and climbing . God bless the truth the light and hope
Also, Leon is completely arrogant in his absolute belief that he is right, to the point that he doesn't listen to anything that's even said. All he wants to do is get in the last word, this guy is insufferable.
Towards the end of this video I started to just skip whenever the white-haired guy was speaking. He is annoying in his dominating the conversation without giving any valuable information!
Wow, great episode... haven't heard a better discussion in a while, thanks for this. Both Wieseltier and Nicolelis described their points of view in a very articulate and coherent manner. Brain food!
Can before I make a probably overly self important statement I'd like to say thank you for the informative and entertaining content and all the amazing people. As I laid in bed half asleep listening a notion dawned on me. It seems both the physical and metaphysical are valid and right. I think our personal realities are Based on 2 major pillars discovery and reaction. So what 1 fundamentally discovers about themselves or the world around them can often have common concepts easily relatable to another. The reactionary portion is the seemingly chaotic Aspect that makes all the flavors Of life. So I propose the achievements and limitations There are often relatable on scale, Are also the mechanisms the bring us the highest highs and lowest lows of humanity.
You know what the world needs now? Ripe for the intellectual picking would be a debate between a man and a woman as to, "just what the hell do you want?" And no, you can't answer, "money!" Soon, whether AI superintelligence, nuclear war, sun eruption, or asteroid impact, we will all need to ask why we are here and where are we going. Let, where we came from die its pitiful death. We know now that we are in the here and now. Burn that dogma crap and let's put our thinking caps on.
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thinks that the guy in the middle has no clue what he’s talking about and shouldn’t have been invited to this conversation.
My word, what a lovely talk they held on the 53d anniversary of Doctor Who! Also, to me as both a scientist and a religious person this talk was so relatable!
I would be very interested in a Scientific discussion with Dean Radin and some quantum physicists. Dean has some very interesting experiments which show an influence of consciousness on quantum behaviour.
Say this was great but could you guys have gotten a social psychologist or a philosopher of self instead of Leon Wieseltier? i think he made the conversation advance in an unnecessarily slow peace.
The subjective appreciation of Art is based on the experiences that a particular brain has had. Once we simulate an actual brain, we will be able to create gross categories of behavior responses based on different experience sets. But it may be impossible to predict with 100% accuracy any particular brain's response. Like predicting the weather too far in advance. Too many variables.
Just two words I'd like to ponder: context and self-grasping. What is the context of the physiology, physics, chemistry, and biology of an experience? What does it mean to self-grasp, that is to understand what it means to understand?
1:13:28 محاضرة العالم المصرى الكبير الاستاذ محمد النشائى بامريكا The Universe as a Golden Supercomputer Scorpion300100 346 views 3 weeks ago 1:03:05 Steven Weinberg: To Explain the World World Science Festival 150K views 2 years ago 21:50 كيف تصبح مصر دولة عظمى؟ 23-7-2017 sabahelkheirofficial 1.3K views 3 months ago 46:16 الدكتور محمد النشائى وبرنامج أبناء نهر النيل Scorpion300100 219 views 5 years ago 1:13:28 The Universe as a Golden Supercomputer Claregate Metaphysics Group 339 views 1 month ago
What they're really talking about is the emergent property we call "consciousness". That is to say, we can clearly and scientifically define the brain and all it's multiple systems, (neurons, chemical, electrical, etc.), and as science progresses, our instruments and models will become even more accurate and complete, but it does not explain the "experience" we all have as individuals. It does not explain the emergent property of "consciousness" and the perception that we, and other individuals around us, are more than the sum of our parts. The real question is whether this is just an illusion created by complex information processing, or if there is something deeper and more random to our experience, that cannot be quantified by mere numbers.
47:46 classic argument from ignorance. Because you can't answer my question and do not have all the explanations, my mumbo-jumbo (by default) makes sense.
This was great. The only thing we need to take away, which I've learned not to long ago, is that our intentions can and do effect the physical, the biological, and the spiritual parts of life, which pretty much covers everything(extra dimensions, or life at the quantum level)
I love Brian's World science Festival and I enjoyed (for the most part) this discussion. However, there should have been a psychologist in this panel, and preferably a specialist in social psychology. (P.S. There are few hosts as intelligent, gracious, and nice as Dr. Brian Greene).
Leon is a typical philosopher in my humble opinion. Contemporary philosophers often exhibit a sense of over zealous grasping for relevance in a world once dominated by their breed. But now, with the invention of neuro science and other advancements in our understanding, they are being relegated to the margins and no longer hold much relevance in modern debate about the subject at hand. Leon seems to be no exception and leaves a bitter after taste by the end of the discussion.
I guess the only question remaining is whether the neuroscientists will shed any light on our inevitable destruction of the planet before it is uninhabitable.
Brian is getting to a very interesting point (around 36:00): "I want to believe that and I want you to convince me of that. ... I live in a tension between my scientific knowledge and that 0.1 percent. Charles Darwin held that humans are not the only self-aware beings. I agree and we can show many experiments that prove it, but humans are the only species that show self preponderance - a higher value of themselves - compared to other species. Darwin asserted that the differences among species come in degree rather than kind (Marc Bekoff, Colorado). I agree again. Brian is simply asking for help: I want to be convinced of some transcendental meaning of life, despite my scientific background knowledge. I believe that all human beings want that and need that, because they don't like "uncertainty". But when Neils Bohr says: If you think you understand particle physics then you don't understand particle physics - He states that "we do not and will most likely never know the 0.1 %, because if we did, we would not be human. I think Brian has carefully pointed to the problem via self-analysis. I think Brian is right to say "like everybody else", but he is the first person I have ever heard express this: Science cannot give us 100% certainty, it can only guide our thoughts. But "conclusions" depend on our very personal "information processing". If there is a hidden reality and science would be able to detect it - it would no linger be a hidden reality. The best example that "we all" are searching to find that hidden particle is probably this: We called the Higgs Boson the "god particle" and since god is supposedly everywhere - we invented the Higgs Field.
mary's room, illustrates that experience is knowledge, but it is only knowledge of experience. she doesnt learn anything new about tomato's or the color red. she only learns how it feels to experience it.
I think both kinds of knowledge are valuable in their own. I wouldn't care much of the structure and biology of a tomato if I am not able to experience it in any way.
1:06:30 Brian Green really shows his scientistism, an ideology. His perspective escapes the spoke of science in the wheel that makes the human experience and understanding. 1:16:00 there may be nothing else required for understanding says Green. Again, scientism. Going too far away from the center is to lose your humanity. 1:58 Ignorance is bliss. A bag of particles governed by math... You are matter and consciousness not just matter. Science studies the category. The human being identifies the category for the scientists to study. Science identies facts within the categories. Those facts in themselves cannot tell you which is more valuable than the other. We will get back to discovering the logos, that is the center with which we experience the world and chose to aim to the source of the logos.
Leon did a great job of defending the humanistic perspective, what it means to be human. He was debating two scientists who are moderate and rational and likeable. There were no rabid reductionists here. But they do exist. Whether the nature of reality can be known through reason; a function of intelligence is debatable and time will tell.
Isn’t Brian Green the best educator ever! He’s incredible erudite, articulate and moreover, so interesting in everything he says!.. If our kids had lecturers like him in our schools and Universities, we would be a nation of geniuses. Love him! He could teach chimpanzees quantum physics! America brace him and acknowledge his talent! And I’m English😀
I think if you think of the chemicals comprising the painting as by necessity being inclusive, sustainable and coexistent there is a deeper beauty than the beauty that is visible to our senses, both levels of perceiving are beautiful and are both enforcing.
Prof BGreene, I agree w the Neuroscientist saying that even if we are 99.9%, we may be 0.01% Human, in my opinion meaning the limit of Mind when it knows its own self, that the rest of the information is in another Dimension, above the say 11TH Dimension. I completely agree with you that had say, if Newton allocated understanding to non scientific, we would not be where we are now. The discussion is not to break the back of science, but admire it, it is through Newton, Bohr, Einstein, Quantum Physics, Quarks, String Theory, etc., that Mind will, say may, realize that it had its limit, and limit is not a shame, if limits were a shame, those Function whose limit is, Fixed Constant, would be Shameful Functions, I call “SF”. Your Pupil , Mike Saghai.
If that happened you would then have a sophisticated population...No one would be dumb enough to shine the shoes but just bright enough to operate the drudge jobs in such a world...The powers would never allow it.
7Earthsky... the robots could shine shoes haha. The idea is for people to live life, not work to live. Developing skills takes time. With an autonomous labor industry and free education, there could potentially be more physicist, neurosurgeons, artist, etc. we're already seeing a glimpse. Just watch a people are awesome video. People are gaining ridiculous skills because they have the time to do it, but most importantly they enjoy doing it and in general, their skill enriches the lives of others. I understand though. The fact that high unemployment takes on negative connotation implies that the powers that be would find some other way to keep people's minds enslaved. #thehumancondition
kuntamdc I know that..I agree with that...But look how all countries are run in the world...Governments will never allow such freedom for people...There would be no need for government if people didn't need to be freed from something. A world where robots are doing everything is a world without government.
7Earthsky I agree, however, to me it seems politicians are scapegoats for some individuals and corporations. The worst case is, robots take over labor and poverty increases. I like to think, generally speaking, if robots took over labor, everyone's quality of life would increase. I'm an optimist and an advocate of the latter.
kuntamdc Yes, the whole technology, including robots taking over the world bullshit has been said for a very long time now...They're mostly manginas with families that are scared of change and having to adapt..People to like to blame the world for everything. Including improvements.
Well, even if we are just biological machines but we can think, create, appreciate beauty, explore the universe, being unique from each other and not duplicable (no-cloning theorem), than do we really need "something more", a "soul"? This form of existence itself is enough to be defined as soulful for me.
Now that was top. Will have to review at least 3 times for the parts I missed while I was reflecting on the others. So rich. The science part was mindblowing and went near the out of orbit to religion but did not make it. The part on religion was decieving. Splash in the water with parachutes. Not easy for a scientist to leave objectivity and to look the subject, as a painter does, as it tells you it is instead of what you have been thaught it is. Dogmas and myths are powerfull on both sides.
The fear of being just a regular speck of this reality have rendered that illusion of divinity in the first place, I reckon. Came from dust, turned to dust.
Well, then you should just think of something that will guarantee you that there is something after this life. Not reality, but hope. Welcome to Christianity
brock hamper You like my point of view, don't you? You just can't admit it in public :). I never knew christians are suicide advocates. You've got a pretty messed up religion guys, I must say.
I think one of the reasons so many people posit that consciousness of an illusion reducible to causes and effects in the brain, and that we therefore lack true free will, is a combination of the fact that (A) we don't see any other systems that can ignore cause and effect in the world around us and (B) to accept that somehow the brain/mind alone can "self-cause" a certain behavior is for some a hard pill to swallow. What are the limits of this? A slime mold lacks a brain, but it can creatively solve problems despite that (in effect it has a non-neuronal version of an organ granting it a kind of intelligence). Does it have the ability to "choose" to violate cause and effect too and therefore have free will? If not, could a slime mold evolve free will without a brain? If so, what else might have that power? Could a "non-living" (whatever that means) complex system do it? It is a simpler world if we all are equally bound by cause and effect, and there is some comfort in that that is attractive to certain people.
44:47 You cant throw the burden of proof on the machinists due to what you feel is your experience. People create false memories and beliefs all the time, the burden of proof would be on the humanist as well. If you can have a brain scan show that nothing is changing in the brain while your thoughts and experience changes, the humanist has proof.. which to me means the burden of proof is heavier on the humanist. The answer is in the middle. Yeah, humans have special experiences, but those experiences can be explained in a scientific way. Even the love for the wife. Maybe she reminds you of a woman you met as a child that made an impression on you, maybe she compliments something in your brain and it causes you to produce serotonin more than other women. The guy on the right sees both sides and is the winner of the debate in my opinion. The guy in the middle refuses to see that just because theres an explanation doesnt mean it ain't special.
As annoying as he is, he's being honest about how he feels about it. I'm guessing this is exactly why they chose him to be there. He represents a large group of people out there. Most people who are anti-science, don't feel that they need to defend their position.
Are memories part of biology? Memories can be inaccurate with witness reports usually differing. There are many instances people love a personal ideal of a certain person rather than the actual person. Does love really feel any different whether it's a metaphysical bond or just an operation of biology on inaccurate memory, projections, and copying?
1:13:28 محاضرة العالم المصرى الكبير الاستاذ محمد النشائى بامريكا The Universe as a Golden Supercomputer Scorpion300100 324 views 3 weeks ago 21:50 كيف تصبح مصر دولة عظمى؟ 23-7-2017 sabahelkheirofficial 1.3K views 3 months ago
At 12:00, but we can analyse it from the mathematical point (geometry) and look for patterns among most well received pictures as it probably follows the normal distribution among the population's perception of the painting. The reason for why people like those pictures is a different story, but probably also stems from the fact that human brain always seeks to discover and understand the pattern it can observe. At 57:00 it seems that his objective is not the prevention of the collapsing of the human horizon understanding human beings being unique and not a collection of atoms. Rather he preaches the bliss of ignorance and tries to caress humans as children who are not ready for this information.
Due to being brought up in the military style home and a Christian believe that anything that I do is simple I will go to hell is the reason that I became terrified of doing anything simple and thinking I was going to go to hell and having so many phobias. Do you do the experiment I am not scared of anything now I can see the difference from what you guys have made but I still think it’s absolutely gorgeous and I still appreciate the earth for what it is. Especially the day that I got to see string theory little strings in the sky dancing is absolutely beautiful. I honestly do not think that you should bring your children up in a Christian home scaring them thinking that if they do anything that they will go to hell keeping them from growing or exploring. I still like to believe that there is a guard something bigger than me but I understand every single thing that you guys have said and I put all of it together and still like to believe that there is still about it and have that part of the imagination. Do you to all the chaos is the reason that made me so confused already knew what I wanted but when you have a partner who will not communicate with you or even tell you what they want and everybody telling you different things become to the point that you feel like you’re doing something wrong or maybe they just are not into you anymore. It is what it is I know we are up and put on this earth to live and die. And whatever things that we are good at you’re supposed to do love people do good things for others be there for our friends and family and help each other out and unfortunately I’m a hopeless romantic with a very big ♥️. I found out I was more spiritual and that way I can use spirituality with science.
Honestly, I think the guy with the white hair would be able to understand this stuff better if he did some drugs. Nothing says more about what motivates human behavior than experiencing your own neurochemical processes being disrupted.
"Are we nothing but the physical processes that make us up." I think the problem there is not the statement, it is instead the 'nothing but'. If you really take time to think about it, the fact that we are this rather queer system of physically processes which goes on with all the other physical processes is quite exquisite! I love science, and the insight it provides, but I don't think science will ever get to the fundamental nature of the world, for the simple reason that the knower can never be the object of it's own knowledge.
why was the word ethos not mentioned... they struggled to describe exactly what ethos is, the unique experience that each brain goes thru! ...including anything inherited.
Dr. Greene's argument [39:10 - 39:29] is acceptable if it can also be used that: ONCE the brain of humans in about 1000 years from now are able to mathematically and richly write better Quantum Laws of Physics & beautiful mathematics that may explain why a man loves a particular woman meaning his wife, ALL humans later realize from Quantum laws' revelations as to why that man who REASONS NOT to LOVE the CAUSE of him to possess the capability to love at all; alongside NOT loving his wife is an unintelligent human...Worst case scenario divorces his wife! Afterall marrying a woman he doesn't love once he's able to have a better knowledge or wisdom of love via experience described by Quantum Physics would be considered FOOLISHNESS... LOVE ❤️ this kind of fair arguments 👏
John Ferguson 1st he only made one remark. 2nd, I watch almost all British TV shows (love all things British) but you aren’t fooling anyone. Britain does care about our politics. The british make fun of Trump and our politics more than we do. One comment should not have sent a British person to the comment section to say what you did.
Almost. More random and surreal. Codding enough for cellular automata to bounce about a more probabilistically apt inference. Esoteric inscrutable critical periods, in so far as a formal transactional account can attempt.
I feel so lucky for finding this channel....and I must confess, I am in love with Brian Greene..
Bianca Voda you're not the only one.
👌😎🍄
Thats because of the Rainbow subject
@Gus Erland what? We know each other?
TYSVM❤😉🖤
I fall asleep to this channel and end up dreaming about what the guests are saying and wake up smarter
I do exactly the same thing. Not sure I wake up smarter though
I just love the depth of the conversation and it is amazing how we are capable to be so obsessed with how we work and there is much more than physical beings.
Love the way Brian conducts his speeches with his hands:)
The best talk in this channel this year.
Reason and Grace, baby. No contradictions there. The temporal and the transcendent are only in conflict in the simplest of minds. Bring in the science and behold the power of its revelations of truth. Bring in the grace and bask in its whispers of meaning. This panel proves that every once in a while humanity can be brilliant and fearless. Bravo!
The beardless Santa sitting in the middle is so intolerable with his arrogance. He was having a conversation with himself the entire time.
Hmmmm. So ridicule his appearance? I thought this channel was about the search for something deeper than high school taunts. I found his perspective evocative.
I must admit, I had a difficult time following his long sentences. I tried very hard, but after so many "ands" , I had to wonder if he was able to follow himself.
He got set up.. This is sad. There are 2 people that have spent a lot of time studying and working within this field and the guy in the middle doesn't have close to the same knowledge about the subject. And the subject they picked didnt leave enough room for his side of knowledge and so on. They basically bullied him.
Thanks jethro
The unattributed piece of music is the first movement of the Schumann Sonata No. 1 Op 105.
I thought this was a wonderful opportunity for people like myself to listen in, and enjoy interesting back and forth conversation from very impressive minds. I'm looking forward to more of the same.
Such a wonderful episode! Love to sit and watch intellectuals have a conversation.
What a tremendous setting and debate!! And the ending, so beautiful and so fitting honoring us as humans. Damn!!
Comments below on "beardless santa", Leon Wieseltier are so far away from my experience it amazes me how it can be so far apart. I think Leon Wieseltier is so thoroughly discussing naturalist reductionism and is willing to go to the core of the issue. It is a beautiful respectful debate on such a detailed level that I loved every minute of it. And maybe because he seems more right brain dominant which resonates more with me, he has a more holistic view beyond the reductionist view which requires more of an acceptance of uncertainty than in science (even though I know that not to be so absolute)
thank you very much! many inspiring, thoughtful, and philosophical possibilities! and the ending was beautiful ;)
brian greeñe and others, thank you beyond añything consequences on self doesnt matter, i appreciate not being alone. that the truth is there,and known my heart,my life is full of gratitude. still reaching and climbing . God bless the truth the light and hope
Also, Leon is completely arrogant in his absolute belief that he is right, to the point that he doesn't listen to anything that's even said. All he wants to do is get in the last word, this guy is insufferable.
They disgrace the art of war.
Towards the end of this video I started to just skip whenever the white-haired guy was speaking. He is annoying in his dominating the conversation without giving any valuable information!
Thanks Ellie May.
Wow, great episode... haven't heard a better discussion in a while, thanks for this. Both Wieseltier and Nicolelis described their points of view in a very articulate and coherent manner. Brain food!
Completely fascinating. I love the WSF debates ,discussions.
Can before I make a probably overly self important statement I'd like to say thank you for the informative and entertaining content and all the amazing people. As I laid in bed half asleep listening a notion dawned on me. It seems both the physical and metaphysical are valid and right. I think our personal realities are Based on 2 major pillars discovery and reaction. So what 1 fundamentally discovers about themselves or the world around them can often have common concepts easily relatable to another. The reactionary portion is the seemingly chaotic Aspect that makes all the flavors Of life. So I propose the achievements and limitations There are often relatable on scale, Are also the mechanisms the bring us the highest highs and lowest lows of humanity.
I love all of these videos. This one was spectacular, one of the best without doubt.
agreed
You know what the world needs now? Ripe for the intellectual picking would be a debate between a man and a woman as to, "just what the hell do you want?" And no, you can't answer, "money!" Soon, whether AI superintelligence, nuclear war, sun eruption, or asteroid impact, we will all need to ask why we are here and where are we going. Let, where we came from die its pitiful death. We know now that we are in the here and now. Burn that dogma crap and let's put our thinking caps on.
@@CandidDate hahah man, he is just saying he liked the episode, that's all. Are you ok, my friend?
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thinks that the guy in the middle has no clue what he’s talking about and shouldn’t have been invited to this conversation.
Oh yeah, it's always better when we all agree. Thanks Jethro.
My word, what a lovely talk they held on the 53d anniversary of Doctor Who!
Also, to me as both a scientist and a religious person this talk was so relatable!
I'm still fascinated in 2022!
I love him as a host !!!
hes arrogant
Does anyone know the work performed at the end? Late Romantic - its title was not announced. A Brian bad.
Brian Greene is simply awesome!
what did brian greene discover?...oh ya...not a damn thing
i can read a book too...that make me awesome?
@@gerryb7859 maybe you should read one of Brian's books.
I would be very interested in a Scientific discussion with Dean Radin and some quantum physicists. Dean has some very interesting experiments which show an influence of consciousness on quantum behaviour.
Wonderful discussion. The word condescending was mentioned more than once. The only taint to it all.
What is the white hair guy talking about? Is he trying to prove that random words have a meaning also?
Lmao
He doesn’t like that possibility that science may be all there is. He wants to make a case for religion
Say this was great but could you guys have gotten a social psychologist or a philosopher of self instead of Leon Wieseltier? i think he made the conversation advance in an unnecessarily slow peace.
it all comes together
The person that this discussion should have had on the panel is Robert Sapolsky
The subjective appreciation of Art is based on the experiences that a particular brain has had. Once we simulate an actual brain, we will be able to create gross categories of behavior responses based on different experience sets. But it may be impossible to predict with 100% accuracy any particular brain's response. Like predicting the weather too far in advance. Too many variables.
FlyingMonkey Why should we even simulate a brain. Once we have a machine strong enough to do that our brains will be irrelevant.
Just two words I'd like to ponder: context and self-grasping.
What is the context of the physiology, physics, chemistry, and biology of an experience?
What does it mean to self-grasp, that is to understand what it means to understand?
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What they're really talking about is the emergent property we call "consciousness".
That is to say, we can clearly and scientifically define the brain and all it's multiple systems, (neurons, chemical, electrical, etc.), and as science progresses, our instruments and models will become even more accurate and complete, but it does not explain the "experience" we all have as individuals. It does not explain the emergent property of "consciousness" and the perception that we, and other individuals around us, are more than the sum of our parts.
The real question is whether this is just an illusion created by complex information processing, or if there is something deeper and more random to our experience, that cannot be quantified by mere numbers.
It’s almost like I want part 2
47:46 classic argument from ignorance. Because you can't answer my question and do not have all the explanations, my mumbo-jumbo (by default) makes sense.
Why was Brain speaking with the cadence of William Shatner in his introduction?
This was great. The only thing we need to take away, which I've learned not to long ago, is that our intentions can and do effect the physical, the biological, and the spiritual parts of life, which pretty much covers everything(extra dimensions, or life at the quantum level)
(there are deep limitations to our "theories" and "understanding". we are limited to know it all.)
Brian is a superb host.
Pashyanti the greatest
the ending music made me cry
What's the piece they are playing at the end?
I also want to know. That was beautiful! It made me tear up a bit.
It’s the first movement of the Schumann Sonata No. 1 Op 105.
Missing behavioural science, it would blow up this talk! There is a scientific reason a flower is beautiful or horrific depending on who you ask.
? You mean environmental development right ..?
Have you played the album
“Hemispheres” by Rush?
I love Brian's World science Festival and I enjoyed (for the most part) this discussion. However, there should have been a psychologist in this panel, and preferably a specialist in social psychology. (P.S. There are few hosts as intelligent, gracious, and nice as Dr. Brian Greene).
This sounds like a similar approach comparing the behaviorist in "The Ghost in The Machine" like the physicalist.
Leon is a typical philosopher in my humble opinion. Contemporary philosophers often exhibit a sense of over zealous grasping for relevance in a world once dominated by their breed. But now, with the invention of neuro science and other advancements in our understanding, they are being relegated to the margins and no longer hold much relevance in modern debate about the subject at hand. Leon seems to be no exception and leaves a bitter after taste by the end of the discussion.
I guess the only question remaining is whether the neuroscientists will shed any light on our inevitable destruction of the planet before it is uninhabitable.
🧠🏆An oscar for my brain : EXTRAORDINARY CONVERSATION , 🙏THANK'S MR.GREENE.
9:47 he is keep on looking down to his notes.
Brian is getting to a very interesting point (around 36:00): "I want to believe that and I want you to convince me of that. ... I live in a tension between my scientific knowledge and that 0.1 percent. Charles Darwin held that humans are not the only self-aware beings. I agree and we can show many experiments that prove it, but humans are the only species that show self preponderance - a higher value of themselves - compared to other species. Darwin asserted that the differences among species come in degree rather than kind (Marc Bekoff, Colorado). I agree again. Brian is simply asking for help: I want to be convinced of some transcendental meaning of life, despite my scientific background knowledge. I believe that all human beings want that and need that, because they don't like "uncertainty". But when Neils Bohr says: If you think you understand particle physics then you don't understand particle physics - He states that "we do not and will most likely never know the 0.1 %, because if we did, we would not be human.
I think Brian has carefully pointed to the problem via self-analysis. I think Brian is right to say "like everybody else", but he is the first person I have ever heard express this:
Science cannot give us 100% certainty, it can only guide our thoughts. But "conclusions" depend on our very personal "information processing". If there is a hidden reality and science would be able to detect it - it would no linger be a hidden reality. The best example that "we all" are searching to find that hidden particle is probably this: We called the Higgs Boson the "god particle" and since god is supposedly everywhere - we invented the Higgs Field.
mary's room, illustrates that experience is knowledge, but it is only knowledge of experience. she doesnt learn anything new about tomato's or the color red. she only learns how it feels to experience it.
I think both kinds of knowledge are valuable in their own. I wouldn't care much of the structure and biology of a tomato if I am not able to experience it in any way.
1:06:30 Brian Green really shows his scientistism, an ideology. His perspective escapes the spoke of science in the wheel that makes the human experience and understanding.
1:16:00 there may be nothing else required for understanding says Green. Again, scientism.
Going too far away from the center is to lose your humanity.
1:58 Ignorance is bliss. A bag of particles governed by math...
You are matter and consciousness not just matter.
Science studies the category.
The human being identifies the category for the scientists to study.
Science identies facts within the categories.
Those facts in themselves cannot tell you which is more valuable than the other.
We will get back to discovering the logos, that is the center with which we experience the world and chose to aim to the source of the logos.
Leon did a great job of defending the humanistic perspective, what it means to be human. He was debating two scientists who are moderate and rational and likeable. There were no rabid reductionists here. But they do exist. Whether the nature of reality can be known through reason; a function of intelligence is debatable and time will tell.
Isn’t Brian Green the best educator ever! He’s incredible erudite, articulate and moreover, so interesting in everything he says!.. If our kids had lecturers like him in our schools and Universities, we would be a nation of geniuses. Love him! He could teach chimpanzees quantum physics! America brace him and acknowledge his talent! And I’m English😀
I think if you think of the chemicals comprising the painting as by necessity being inclusive, sustainable and coexistent there is a deeper beauty than the beauty that is visible to our senses, both levels of perceiving are beautiful and are both enforcing.
Prof BGreene, I agree w the Neuroscientist saying that even if we are 99.9%, we may be 0.01% Human, in my opinion meaning the limit of Mind when it knows its own self, that the rest of the information is in another Dimension, above the say 11TH Dimension. I completely agree with you that had say, if Newton allocated understanding to non scientific, we would not be where we are now. The discussion is not to break the back of science, but admire it, it is through Newton, Bohr, Einstein, Quantum Physics, Quarks, String Theory, etc., that Mind will, say may, realize that it had its limit, and limit is not a shame, if limits were a shame, those Function whose limit is, Fixed Constant, would be Shameful Functions, I call “SF”. Your Pupil , Mike Saghai.
Higher unemployment should equal free education and more art, or creativity.
If that happened you would then have a sophisticated population...No one would be dumb enough to shine the shoes but just bright enough to operate the drudge jobs in such a world...The powers would never allow it.
7Earthsky... the robots could shine shoes haha. The idea is for people to live life, not work to live. Developing skills takes time. With an autonomous labor industry and free education, there could potentially be more physicist, neurosurgeons, artist, etc. we're already seeing a glimpse. Just watch a people are awesome video. People are gaining ridiculous skills because they have the time to do it, but most importantly they enjoy doing it and in general, their skill enriches the lives of others. I understand though. The fact that high unemployment takes on negative connotation implies that the powers that be would find some other way to keep people's minds enslaved. #thehumancondition
kuntamdc I know that..I agree with that...But look how all countries are run in the world...Governments will never allow such freedom for people...There would be no need for government if people didn't need to be freed from something.
A world where robots are doing everything is a world without government.
7Earthsky I agree, however, to me it seems politicians are scapegoats for some individuals and corporations. The worst case is, robots take over labor and poverty increases. I like to think, generally speaking, if robots took over labor, everyone's quality of life would increase. I'm an optimist and an advocate of the latter.
kuntamdc Yes, the whole technology, including robots taking over the world bullshit has been said for a very long time now...They're mostly manginas with families that are scared of change and having to adapt..People to like to blame the world for everything. Including improvements.
Well, even if we are just biological machines but we can think, create, appreciate beauty, explore the universe, being unique from each other and not duplicable (no-cloning theorem), than do we really need "something more", a "soul"? This form of existence itself is enough to be defined as soulful for me.
It's like arguing with homer Simpson for an hour and half
Now that was top. Will have to review at least 3 times for the parts I missed while I was reflecting on the others. So rich. The science part was mindblowing and went near the out of orbit to religion but did not make it. The part on religion was decieving. Splash in the water with parachutes. Not easy for a scientist to leave objectivity and to look the subject, as a painter does, as it tells you it is instead of what you have been thaught it is. Dogmas and myths are powerfull on both sides.
That middle guy made me miss Heidegger lmao.
Perfect
could only go two minutes without getting politics involved. God I wanna like you but cut the ignorance
Ptown Derek There is a lot of that going around in science docs. It is a turn off and a shame.
The fear of being just a regular speck of this reality have rendered that illusion of divinity in the first place, I reckon. Came from dust, turned to dust.
Well, then you should just think of something that will guarantee you that there is something after this life. Not reality, but hope. Welcome to Christianity
nathaN Fuck afterlife, hope and christianity.
brock hamper You like my point of view, don't you? You just can't admit it in public :). I never knew christians are suicide advocates. You've got a pretty messed up religion guys, I must say.
I think one of the reasons so many people posit that consciousness of an illusion reducible to causes and effects in the brain, and that we therefore lack true free will, is a combination of the fact that (A) we don't see any other systems that can ignore cause and effect in the world around us and (B) to accept that somehow the brain/mind alone can "self-cause" a certain behavior is for some a hard pill to swallow. What are the limits of this? A slime mold lacks a brain, but it can creatively solve problems despite that (in effect it has a non-neuronal version of an organ granting it a kind of intelligence). Does it have the ability to "choose" to violate cause and effect too and therefore have free will? If not, could a slime mold evolve free will without a brain? If so, what else might have that power? Could a "non-living" (whatever that means) complex system do it?
It is a simpler world if we all are equally bound by cause and effect, and there is some comfort in that that is attractive to certain people.
Wow, i cried how it finished :_)
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You cant throw the burden of proof on the machinists due to what you feel is your experience. People create false memories and beliefs all the time, the burden of proof would be on the humanist as well.
If you can have a brain scan show that nothing is changing in the brain while your thoughts and experience changes, the humanist has proof.. which to me means the burden of proof is heavier on the humanist.
The answer is in the middle. Yeah, humans have special experiences, but those experiences can be explained in a scientific way. Even the love for the wife. Maybe she reminds you of a woman you met as a child that made an impression on you, maybe she compliments something in your brain and it causes you to produce serotonin more than other women.
The guy on the right sees both sides and is the winner of the debate in my opinion. The guy in the middle refuses to see that just because theres an explanation doesnt mean it ain't special.
As annoying as he is, he's being honest about how he feels about it.
I'm guessing this is exactly why they chose him to be there.
He represents a large group of people out there.
Most people who are anti-science, don't feel that they need to defend their position.
Are memories part of biology? Memories can be inaccurate with witness reports usually differing. There are many instances people love a personal ideal of a certain person rather than the actual person. Does love really feel any different whether it's a metaphysical bond or just an operation of biology on inaccurate memory, projections, and copying?
sole boot, soul,heart
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محاضرة العالم المصرى الكبير الاستاذ محمد النشائى بامريكا The Universe as a Golden Supercomputer
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كيف تصبح مصر دولة عظمى؟ 23-7-2017
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At 12:00, but we can analyse it from the mathematical point (geometry) and look for patterns among most well received pictures as it probably follows the normal distribution among the population's perception of the painting.
The reason for why people like those pictures is a different story, but probably also stems from the fact that human brain always seeks to discover and understand the pattern it can observe.
At 57:00 it seems that his objective is not the prevention of the collapsing of the human horizon understanding human beings being unique and not a collection of atoms. Rather he preaches the bliss of ignorance and tries to caress humans as children who are not ready for this information.
That writer ruined the discussion with his nonsense and by not letting the scientists speak and by interrupting them. He was so annoying damn!
Mr. Kirk0 True
oh he wasn't bad. I liked his analogies and how he described how we aren't all just data.
If it ain't broke, do research ---- y'all need God.
@@CandidDate Your premise is way off, there probably isn't one.
@@siwilson1437 Does the moon exist when you're not looking at it? Persistence of reality, always pursued, never caught.
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Thanks 🙏
when you are picking teams, these are the guys you pick first.
Due to being brought up in the military style home and a Christian believe that anything that I do is simple I will go to hell is the reason that I became terrified of doing anything simple and thinking I was going to go to hell and having so many phobias. Do you do the experiment I am not scared of anything now I can see the difference from what you guys have made but I still think it’s absolutely gorgeous and I still appreciate the earth for what it is. Especially the day that I got to see string theory little strings in the sky dancing is absolutely beautiful. I honestly do not think that you should bring your children up in a Christian home scaring them thinking that if they do anything that they will go to hell keeping them from growing or exploring. I still like to believe that there is a guard something bigger than me but I understand every single thing that you guys have said and I put all of it together and still like to believe that there is still about it and have that part of the imagination. Do you to all the chaos is the reason that made me so confused already knew what I wanted but when you have a partner who will not communicate with you or even tell you what they want and everybody telling you different things become to the point that you feel like you’re doing something wrong or maybe they just are not into you anymore. It is what it is I know we are up and put on this earth to live and die. And whatever things that we are good at you’re supposed to do love people do good things for others be there for our friends and family and help each other out and unfortunately I’m a hopeless romantic with a very big ♥️. I found out I was more spiritual and that way I can use spirituality with science.
Honestly, I think the guy with the white hair would be able to understand this stuff better if he did some drugs. Nothing says more about what motivates human behavior than experiencing your own neurochemical processes being disrupted.
White haired guy is so closed minded and the sad part is he has little world knowledge to be basing his opinions on. I would not want to know him
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"Are we nothing but the physical processes that make us up." I think the problem there is not the statement, it is instead the 'nothing but'. If you really take time to think about it, the fact that we are this rather queer system of physically processes which goes on with all the other physical processes is quite exquisite! I love science, and the insight it provides, but I don't think science will ever get to the fundamental nature of the world, for the simple reason that the knower can never be the object of it's own knowledge.
Lost me at about 2:00. See ya.
35:46 wubba lubba dub dub?
thanks you for : never forget art !
that's is question also, for what we need the art ?
i love how miguel is rockin those nikes' lol
why was the word ethos not mentioned... they struggled to describe exactly what ethos is, the unique experience that each brain goes thru! ...including anything inherited.
I hate it when they say ‘in other words...’ when they’ve already described it perfectly adequately.....get on with your point!
middle guy is one of the most eloquent frauds
@1:19 no Double-spending Eisenstein
Dr. Greene's argument [39:10 - 39:29] is acceptable if it can also be used that: ONCE the brain of humans in about 1000 years from now are able to mathematically and richly write better Quantum Laws of Physics & beautiful mathematics that may explain why a man loves a particular woman meaning his wife, ALL humans later realize from Quantum laws' revelations as to why that man who REASONS NOT to LOVE the CAUSE of him to possess the capability to love at all; alongside NOT loving his wife is an unintelligent human...Worst case scenario divorces his wife! Afterall marrying a woman he doesn't love once he's able to have a better knowledge or wisdom of love via experience described by Quantum Physics would be considered FOOLISHNESS... LOVE ❤️ this kind of fair arguments 👏
It would have been great if these guys put their egos aside to allow for a more constructive convo to take place.
Brian looked pissed with the cotton hair dude
Our Science can explain somethings, but not all things
afraditiss is that what lets you sleep at night?
Does he or does he not speak the same cadence as Capt. James T. Kirk?
All this while one cannot even pin point where an electron will be next...
Look at work on emotions and asthetic in architecture
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love the channel, but far too much politics. keep it to yourself please. By the way I'm British, couldn't give a toss about your politics.
Enjoy Brexit...
John Ferguson 1st he only made one remark. 2nd, I watch almost all British TV shows (love all things British) but you aren’t fooling anyone. Britain does care about our politics. The british make fun of Trump and our politics more than we do. One comment should not have sent a British person to the comment section to say what you did.
Fractals.
the unending impossible possible infinit one sided universe
Almost. More random and surreal. Codding enough for cellular automata to bounce about a more probabilistically apt inference.
Esoteric inscrutable critical periods, in so far as a formal transactional account can attempt.
An over-excited host, Brian Greene, drops an F-BOMB at 11:39
think he's on drugs.
The middle guy is the one who doesnt accept other dimensions.
He think he does tho.
He is acctually doing the spliting up.
He talks in a blame way.