Pulling into close out barrel at 0.47! Gutsy move! Bit of size too! Great video Thomye, you seem to have your back foot right over the fins to make these carving turns. :)
Awesome addendum to your previous review. Always good to see another Goofy Footers in the water. I like watching Rob too.. Craig Anderson is another favorite of mine to study.
yeah, growing up, it was hard to find good goofey footers to mimic. Occy was about it. Later on, I think I gravitated to Rob, Kalani, and the Lopez brothers.
hey, thanks for recognizing it's hard work. haha. I never realized how hard it could be especially having a Full Time job and all, one that puts me at about 50/60 hrs a week. dang. I will say though, I keep having to decide, do I want more polish on my videos, and in the end, I decide to keep it more raw and just upload. Otherwise, I don't think I would ever upload. That one guy in Australia, Kales Brock, that guys videos are so nicely polished. I don't have that skill or patience. haha
Totally agree with the statement about never considering a board like this... until you ride it. I got the 7’2 in timbertek and every time I’ve ridden it, I get out of the water amazed. I just can’t wait to surf it on a decent point break, I reckon that’s where it will absolutely shine..
Wonder where this will lead. Someone recently posted that Machado is going to come out with some really cools stuff soon. Can't wait to see what crazy ideas he puts to foam. :)
You should do a comparison on Chilli Midstrength, they have a 6'6 and looks to surf even more like a short board than the S&B and has a shorter version than 6'8?
Sick update ! Just got mine and can’t wait to surf it. I’m 175 6 foot. Hoping the volume is right! I got the 6”8. Already own the 7”2, so wanted to drop down.
Wow, super fun!! If I see another seaside&beyond video, I'm going to end up buying that board. lol. JK. Keep up that videos and get a sponsorship from Firewire.
that would definitely help if I could get a break from FW, just a discount. haha My wallet is pretty darn empty. At least for now, I have 4 boards I currently own that I haven't reviewed so I probably should work on those: GoFish, Seaside, Modern2, and the NeckBeard2. Oh, almost forgot that I do have the 5'8 spitfire, it's an older board but might as well get through my own quiver before dropping more coin.
Cheers for getting back to me mate ..im a similar size 100kg 6ft 1..my seaside is 46 litres and im wanting to go for the seaside and beyond timber tek 610 at 47 litres or the 7 2 at 52 litres just not sure to go for the more or less
@@lukewadham1726 I would go the timbertek as it’s a bit different to what you have already, I was surfing not long ago with a guy that has one and he got way more waves than me,
In the clark foam days, practically everyone was riding bigger boards, because clark foam wasn't nearly as buoyant as foams are today. I'm 6'/160lbs and, back then, my daily driver was a 6'6". Despite it's length, was able to jam it in the pocket... contrary to what people, nowadays, say about anything over 5'9" being too big for a 3 ft wave. You just adapt.
Yeah. I went back to my seaside 5'3 for a day and it felt so weird. I think 5'6 is my minimum length now. Except for my Firewire twice baked. Love my 6'0 Sunday. I used to surf a 6'1 poly back in the days. Considering a happy middle like a 5'10.
as a quad, the S&B holds a bit better, drives better in bigger waves. the wide swallow though doesn't carve as well. Sunday will have much smoother rounded turns. on a big day, if it were punchy, S&B. just for the extra hold. on a soft day, Sunday. Both are good but hard to compare them by length cuz of the volume different. 6'8 S&B is 38L while the sunday is 48L.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks man! I'm looking at the Soloshot to make some surf and skate videos. Seems a little hit or miss but also feels like the only option. Better than nothing I guess right? If you have any thoughts on it besides investing in some bird repellent (lol) let me know!
way different boards, different fins setups, different vol to height ratio, different tail and outline. If you want more performance, go S&B, if you want cruisy and more of a mid length vibe, go Sunday. If you compare the 6'8's in both, the S&B is 38L while the Sunday is 48L. I can't really pick one over the other based on preference but I can pick the Sunday over the S&B due to some of the overlap of my S&B with my uber grovelers. I'm basing it on variety since they shouldn't be compared. They are literally apples and oranges.
How do these boards work in bumpier conditions? Have always rode thrusters and they are mostly fine in chop but unsure about 40L+ quads. I'm about 6' 150 and looking at a 6'8" model.
To be totally honest I've only surfed it in the conditions in the video. I think in moderate the low job it should be fine but heavy chop the board is so long I'm not sure how it would really do. This is a really fun board and I need to get back on mine.
yeah, it makes sense though. the first 3 are very light in volume. They are good for advanced surfers or smaller surfers. The next three seem better for beginner surfers or bigger surfers. But I don't think they will ride too differently. the bottoms are the same, just the width and thickness changed. After having surfed the 6'8 at 40.9L, i wish they had a 6'5 at 35L. I think that would be my ideal board. So often, when I'm looking at boards, I feel the boards are too tall with not enough liters or too short with too many liters. so I think they addressed this pretty well. They can't make too many options. I think it would make it more difficult.
Very well done, comparing the second larger day (with some quicker, possible close-outs) to the first (more "mushy" smaller wave)..my question: Is it inappropriate to utilize a kick-pad with the S&B? It seems you believe that it turns quite easily (as you have clearly demonstrated), and I was wondering if a kick-pad with a "ledge" at the end of it would allow for even more maneuvers?
I have a kick pad on mine. Personally, I like not having to think too much and having the kick pad takes the guess work out of it. I am certain over time I could learn to not use one but the s&b isn't my daily so the kick pad makes the transition quicker.
@@ThomyeSurfs I understand, especially when riding so many different types and size boards within a short span of time for your reviews... seems like you prefer the LFT over the Timbertek for the S&B?
I usually surf Bolsa Chica. Some of these W/SW hits bolsa a tad better in HB in my opinion. I am a creature of habit though so hard to switch things up at times.
For me I like the LFT for this particular board. I think both materials work for this board but if you look at the size range, the TT versions are bigger, wider, relatively speaking. The 6'10 TT is actually more liters than the 7'0 LFT version. since it is bigger (wider and likely thicker) the board will already feel stiffer but the TT will add to that. If you want a board to last longer, get the TT. otherwise, if you want slightly better performance, get the LFT.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks Thomas, I’m more on the beginner side so the extra width might help as I progress. Also a big plus I heard is TT is more durable and long lasting in terms of dings and cracks. Professional repairs where I live takes 5 weeks or more so not trying to get into accidents!
@@anthonymeetsastranger all good reasons for the TT. I love my Twice Baked in the TT. it is holding up well and I figure I'll have it the rest of my life at this point unless something better comes along.
Hey Thomye, I’m pretty similar in size to you and thing about buying the seaside, I’m not quite as experienced as you so do you think I would be better off getting the 5’4 instead of the 5’3
Either of those sizes should work well for you. The better question is what do your waves look like. If your waves are bigger go with a 5'3. If they're the same as mine or smaller then I would say the 5'4 should be fine. I surf my brother's 5'4 quite often and it gets me in earlier and because of the length I find it easier to be in better position on smaller waves.
not sure. I have seen Machado on some big soft waves. Guess it would depend on how steep. I'd imagine it all depends on how you want to surf. just go down the line and get barreled, I bet you can go pretty big.
Hi thomye! Just got a deal on a Seaside and beyond and with your review amond others i jump on it inmediately, Just a question, which tailpad are you using???
Sorry for the late response. I use this pad: catalystshop.com/creatures-fish-traction-gfi9bk/?gclid=CjwKCAiA_omPBhBBEiwAcg7smVRY3-CfvzQ0Hk8xsgTZTShs_47aUqCArg0nGKrJrU-30O5lpSkZcBoCTj8QAvD_BwE But not sure I like it. The pad is great for traction but the kick is very low and after having surfed this board, I realized it wasn't a cruiser, I have had some really good off the lips and turns on it and having a taller kick would allow me to slight my foot back further. My tailpad limits how far back I can step. I can put it way back but then i'm standing on the kick which feels weird. Anyways, I think standard tail pad made for a performance swallow tail is a better option.
How do you think you will surf in 10 or 20 years? Then add an illness like a bad knee. (I don't have a knee problem) Would you expect to still be surfing then?...
I can only hope. I am 51 now and have broken my leg twice surfing, hyperextend my knee badly twice, torn my mcl and slight pulled my ACL. Currently my knees are killing me. I probably have a good 8 years left of progressing and then will likely coast and trim into my 70s. Hope.
@@ThomyeSurfs I'm not trying to be embarrassing or through cold water on your aspirations. I think most people hit a wall at some stage and we all should consider different equipment and standards for ourselves. The embarrassment of age and regressive skills, drives many people away from the pastime. Boards like this verbosely named board, are on the path to prolonged surfing into your old age. Everyone gets a different deal but it's nothing you will avoid.
@@Hotwire_RCTrix Yeah, I don't mind getting old. Some things suck but other things seem much better. I like that Tur-Twin FIN and could get used to that but as I said, I think I have 8 years left of good surfing unless I get hurt, then it might be 4 ;) I do want to pull an air reverse before I turn 55 so that has to happen. I am still looking at the CI Mid too. Although many have said it's more of a good wave board, I checked out the bottom contours and it looks like it will go good anything. I will have to test it to know for sure though. Anyways, cheers to getting old. As they say, like fine wine. :)
That does look very manuverable for a big board...I could see them taking some volume or shape out of this design to make it even better and evolve into another board
that's a tough one. If we did a straight mathematical formula, me at 145 on a 40L board, that would put you on 52L. Basically our weight divided 3.55. Having said that, the 6'10" is better in volume for you than the 7'0 and the height is better as well. Since we are the same height, I think having less length is better. the 6'10 and the 7'0 are about the same width so no difference there. The major difference will be the construction. I like timbertech for my twice baked because I want to keep it for 10+ years. I like the idea of the beyond in timbertech as well but like I said in the video, not a board I would have bought. Since it was bought for me, I got it in LFT. My board as well as my brothers are both showing signs of wear. there are heel marks on the desk and my brothers board has a ton of pressures from him connecting with this board in wipeouts. Anyways, both would work, but the 6'10 i think is better for volume and length.
no, i think the camera angle makes them appear bigger than they really are. Often times, when looking from a higher elevation, you tend to factor in the slope vs the height. The biggest wave in this video, maybe the one I duck dove (2:16), was manybe 7' possibly 8'. With the slope of the waves and angle of the camera, it looked like 10'. But most of the ones I was surfing are in the 5' range. :) I'm not sure I could survive an 18' day to be honest. haha
Great to see boards perform at my local break and NOT trestles, pipeline, etc. Appreciate you posting these.
Machado boards are made for local breaks. He tests them around SD
Pulling into close out barrel at 0.47! Gutsy move! Bit of size too! Great video Thomye, you seem to have your back foot right over the fins to make these carving turns. :)
Awesome addendum to your previous review. Always good to see another Goofy Footers in the water. I like watching Rob too.. Craig Anderson is another favorite of mine to study.
yeah, growing up, it was hard to find good goofey footers to mimic. Occy was about it. Later on, I think I gravitated to Rob, Kalani, and the Lopez brothers.
@@ThomyeSurfs I forgot about Kalani... I was a big Occy fan growing up. He was just a brute.
Great review!!!
Thanx for up loading and the hard work,!
hey, thanks for recognizing it's hard work. haha. I never realized how hard it could be especially having a Full Time job and all, one that puts me at about 50/60 hrs a week. dang. I will say though, I keep having to decide, do I want more polish on my videos, and in the end, I decide to keep it more raw and just upload. Otherwise, I don't think I would ever upload. That one guy in Australia, Kales Brock, that guys videos are so nicely polished. I don't have that skill or patience. haha
Totally agree with the statement about never considering a board like this... until you ride it. I got the 7’2 in timbertek and every time I’ve ridden it, I get out of the water amazed. I just can’t wait to surf it on a decent point break, I reckon that’s where it will absolutely shine..
Wonder where this will lead. Someone recently posted that Machado is going to come out with some really cools stuff soon. Can't wait to see what crazy ideas he puts to foam. :)
ive had a brand new 6'8" cant wait to use it ive been hurt since october
hope you get done healing and get out there. you'll love it.
Great review and surfing!
You should do a comparison on Chilli Midstrength, they have a 6'6 and looks to surf even more like a short board than the S&B and has a shorter version than 6'8?
Looks like this board catches waves nice!
Really sick channel man!! Love all your vids
Thanks Ben, appreciate it.
Sick update ! Just got mine and can’t wait to surf it. I’m 175 6 foot. Hoping the volume is right! I got the 6”8. Already own the 7”2, so wanted to drop down.
You will love it. My brother has the 7' and he likes my 6'8 better. He says it surfs more like a shortboard.
@@ThomyeSurfs sick!
Waves were smokin'!
I think tomorrow is supposed to be bigger. I took the day off just in case.
Wow, super fun!! If I see another seaside&beyond video, I'm going to end up buying that board. lol. JK. Keep up that videos and get a sponsorship from Firewire.
that would definitely help if I could get a break from FW, just a discount. haha
My wallet is pretty darn empty. At least for now, I have 4 boards I currently own that I haven't reviewed so I probably should work on those: GoFish, Seaside, Modern2, and the NeckBeard2. Oh, almost forgot that I do have the 5'8 spitfire, it's an older board but might as well get through my own quiver before dropping more coin.
I have this and the seaside, I’ll use this when it’s bigger and steeper and the seaside in smaller
Hey mate what size volume seaside and seaside and beyond have you got paired ? I have a seaside and considering having sb as a kind of step up too
@@lukewadham1726 i have the 7 foot 46 litre seaside and beyond mate, i weigh about 97 and am 6/1 it paddles well, sort of prefer it over the seaside
Cheers for getting back to me mate ..im a similar size 100kg 6ft 1..my seaside is 46 litres and im wanting to go for the seaside and beyond timber tek 610 at 47 litres or the 7 2 at 52 litres just not sure to go for the more or less
@@lukewadham1726 I would go the timbertek as it’s a bit different to what you have already, I was surfing not long ago with a guy that has one and he got way more waves than me,
Good stuff 👌
In the clark foam days, practically everyone was riding bigger boards, because clark foam wasn't nearly as buoyant as foams are today. I'm 6'/160lbs and, back then, my daily driver was a 6'6". Despite it's length, was able to jam it in the pocket... contrary to what people, nowadays, say about anything over 5'9" being too big for a 3 ft wave. You just adapt.
Yeah. I went back to my seaside 5'3 for a day and it felt so weird. I think 5'6 is my minimum length now. Except for my Firewire twice baked. Love my 6'0 Sunday. I used to surf a 6'1 poly back in the days. Considering a happy middle like a 5'10.
Awesome video thanks for sharing. How do you think it goes compared to the Sunday in bigger waves like this day.
as a quad, the S&B holds a bit better, drives better in bigger waves. the wide swallow though doesn't carve as well. Sunday will have much smoother rounded turns. on a big day, if it were punchy, S&B. just for the extra hold. on a soft day, Sunday. Both are good but hard to compare them by length cuz of the volume different. 6'8 S&B is 38L while the sunday is 48L.
Love these reviews, thanks for sharing. Got the 7’0 coming, stoked!
yeeewww! post some vids. Just checked out your channel, pretty cool.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks man! I'm looking at the Soloshot to make some surf and skate videos. Seems a little hit or miss but also feels like the only option. Better than nothing I guess right? If you have any thoughts on it besides investing in some bird repellent (lol) let me know!
@@BenConley definitely better than nothing. I'd do it again if I had to.
Awesome!
I enjoy using a bigger board like this for my second session of the day when my arms are already pretty toast.
that is a sound strategy. I should start doing that.
Hi Tommy how does this compare to the Sunday and what do you like better?
way different boards, different fins setups, different vol to height ratio, different tail and outline. If you want more performance, go S&B, if you want cruisy and more of a mid length vibe, go Sunday. If you compare the 6'8's in both, the S&B is 38L while the Sunday is 48L. I can't really pick one over the other based on preference but I can pick the Sunday over the S&B due to some of the overlap of my S&B with my uber grovelers. I'm basing it on variety since they shouldn't be compared. They are literally apples and oranges.
How do these boards work in bumpier conditions? Have always rode thrusters and they are mostly fine in chop but unsure about 40L+ quads. I'm about 6' 150 and looking at a 6'8" model.
To be totally honest I've only surfed it in the conditions in the video. I think in moderate the low job it should be fine but heavy chop the board is so long I'm not sure how it would really do. This is a really fun board and I need to get back on mine.
Wheres the thiiiird
It just came out in different dm's in timbertek, I wonder why and how the changes affect the ride?
yeah, it makes sense though. the first 3 are very light in volume. They are good for advanced surfers or smaller surfers. The next three seem better for beginner surfers or bigger surfers. But I don't think they will ride too differently. the bottoms are the same, just the width and thickness changed.
After having surfed the 6'8 at 40.9L, i wish they had a 6'5 at 35L. I think that would be my ideal board. So often, when I'm looking at boards, I feel the boards are too tall with not enough liters or too short with too many liters. so I think they addressed this pretty well. They can't make too many options. I think it would make it more difficult.
Very well done, comparing the second larger day (with some quicker, possible close-outs) to the first (more "mushy" smaller wave)..my question: Is it inappropriate to utilize a kick-pad with the S&B? It seems you believe that it turns quite easily (as you have clearly demonstrated), and I was wondering if a kick-pad with a "ledge" at the end of it would allow for even more maneuvers?
I have a kick pad on mine. Personally, I like not having to think too much and having the kick pad takes the guess work out of it. I am certain over time I could learn to not use one but the s&b isn't my daily so the kick pad makes the transition quicker.
@@ThomyeSurfs I understand, especially when riding so many different types and size boards within a short span of time for your reviews... seems like you prefer the LFT over the Timbertek for the S&B?
@@dannyfeldman2286 yes. I have seen some really cool timber tech versions floating around. They almost look like the old rapid fires.
@@ThomyeSurfs Exactly! Again, great two detailed video reviews of the S@B, I’m convinced!...and now saving up for a 7’4” (I’m 6’3”). 🤙
Which beach do you usually surf at?
I usually surf Bolsa Chica. Some of these W/SW hits bolsa a tad better in HB in my opinion. I am a creature of habit though so hard to switch things up at times.
Thomye Surfs thank you. I am a follower from france using seaside and beyond and go fish
What do you think of LFT vs Timbertek? Thinking of the 6’10 TT as a 6’1 165 lbs
For me I like the LFT for this particular board. I think both materials work for this board but if you look at the size range, the TT versions are bigger, wider, relatively speaking.
The 6'10 TT is actually more liters than the 7'0 LFT version. since it is bigger (wider and likely thicker) the board will already feel stiffer but the TT will add to that. If you want a board to last longer, get the TT. otherwise, if you want slightly better performance, get the LFT.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks Thomas, I’m more on the beginner side so the extra width might help as I progress.
Also a big plus I heard is TT is more durable and long lasting in terms of dings and cracks. Professional repairs where I live takes 5 weeks or more so not trying to get into accidents!
@@anthonymeetsastranger all good reasons for the TT. I love my Twice Baked in the TT. it is holding up well and I figure I'll have it the rest of my life at this point unless something better comes along.
Hey Thomye, I’m pretty similar in size to you and thing about buying the seaside, I’m not quite as experienced as you so do you think I would be better off getting the 5’4 instead of the 5’3
Either of those sizes should work well for you. The better question is what do your waves look like. If your waves are bigger go with a 5'3. If they're the same as mine or smaller then I would say the 5'4 should be fine. I surf my brother's 5'4 quite often and it gets me in earlier and because of the length I find it easier to be in better position on smaller waves.
@@ThomyeSurfs Yeah I surf in pretty similar size waves, is it a noticeable difference in manoeuvrability between the two?
@@bendezelak8203 in smaller waves no diff in maneuverability but the bigger the waves get, the 5'4 gets stiffer and harder to handle.
@@ThomyeSurfs Alright, thanks mate 🙌
Up to how big can you surf this what do you think?
not sure. I have seen Machado on some big soft waves. Guess it would depend on how steep. I'd imagine it all depends on how you want to surf. just go down the line and get barreled, I bet you can go pretty big.
Hi thomye! Just got a deal on a Seaside and beyond and with your review amond others i jump on it inmediately, Just a question, which tailpad are you using???
Sorry for the late response. I use this pad:
catalystshop.com/creatures-fish-traction-gfi9bk/?gclid=CjwKCAiA_omPBhBBEiwAcg7smVRY3-CfvzQ0Hk8xsgTZTShs_47aUqCArg0nGKrJrU-30O5lpSkZcBoCTj8QAvD_BwE
But not sure I like it. The pad is great for traction but the kick is very low and after having surfed this board, I realized it wasn't a cruiser, I have had some really good off the lips and turns on it and having a taller kick would allow me to slight my foot back further. My tailpad limits how far back I can step. I can put it way back but then i'm standing on the kick which feels weird.
Anyways, I think standard tail pad made for a performance swallow tail is a better option.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks!
Do you a have traction pad on that 6'8?
Yes. For me, it is so hard to surf without one.
How do you think you will surf in 10 or 20 years?
Then add an illness like a bad knee. (I don't have a knee problem) Would you expect to still be surfing then?...
I can only hope. I am 51 now and have broken my leg twice surfing, hyperextend my knee badly twice, torn my mcl and slight pulled my ACL. Currently my knees are killing me. I probably have a good 8 years left of progressing and then will likely coast and trim into my 70s. Hope.
@@ThomyeSurfs I'm not trying to be embarrassing or through cold water on your aspirations. I think most people hit a wall at some stage and we all should consider different equipment and standards for ourselves.
The embarrassment of age and regressive skills, drives many people away from the pastime. Boards like this verbosely named board, are on the path to prolonged surfing into your old age.
Everyone gets a different deal but it's nothing you will avoid.
@@Hotwire_RCTrix Yeah, I don't mind getting old. Some things suck but other things seem much better. I like that Tur-Twin FIN and could get used to that but as I said, I think I have 8 years left of good surfing unless I get hurt, then it might be 4 ;) I do want to pull an air reverse before I turn 55 so that has to happen.
I am still looking at the CI Mid too. Although many have said it's more of a good wave board, I checked out the bottom contours and it looks like it will go good anything. I will have to test it to know for sure though. Anyways, cheers to getting old. As they say, like fine wine. :)
what time did you go out to surf? All I could find were close outs.
Today I paddled out around 9 and was out by 11. I surfed just south of seasalt. Very few people out.
That does look very manuverable for a big board...I could see them taking some volume or shape out of this design to make it even better and evolve into another board
I hope so.
I’m 5’8 185. About the same skill level as you. I mostly surf in the South Bay Area. Recommend 7’0?
that's a tough one. If we did a straight mathematical formula, me at 145 on a 40L board, that would put you on 52L. Basically our weight divided 3.55. Having said that, the 6'10" is better in volume for you than the 7'0 and the height is better as well. Since we are the same height, I think having less length is better. the 6'10 and the 7'0 are about the same width so no difference there.
The major difference will be the construction. I like timbertech for my twice baked because I want to keep it for 10+ years. I like the idea of the beyond in timbertech as well but like I said in the video, not a board I would have bought. Since it was bought for me, I got it in LFT. My board as well as my brothers are both showing signs of wear. there are heel marks on the desk and my brothers board has a ton of pressures from him connecting with this board in wipeouts.
Anyways, both would work, but the 6'10 i think is better for volume and length.
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i would say these waves r 10-18 ft idk watchyu mean by 5
no, i think the camera angle makes them appear bigger than they really are. Often times, when looking from a higher elevation, you tend to factor in the slope vs the height. The biggest wave in this video, maybe the one I duck dove (2:16), was manybe 7' possibly 8'. With the slope of the waves and angle of the camera, it looked like 10'. But most of the ones I was surfing are in the 5' range. :) I'm not sure I could survive an 18' day to be honest. haha
@@ThomyeSurfs hahahah alright thanks for clearing it ip