Does it work? Winching Backwards with a Front Mounted Winch!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2019
- I have never done this before! I drove into a ditch/rut to test this reverse winching a 4x4 idea to see how it works. Lets see how it goes!!!
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Very nice demonstration of reverse winching, along with the associated reference to the risk involved. Thank You.
pleasure
Very helpful. I'm new to off roading and wondered about this. Thanks!
Glad to help. There are heaps of other videos on the channel to help you.
I'm glad you did this. I always figured it was a viable option.
Thanks. It's interesting to see ay.
Thanks for the video. This is the first time I've encountered this method.
My new favourite 4wdriver! Great vids, fun, educational and nice guy. Keep it up
Happy new subscriber
Well you are now my most favourite sub. Cheers :)
best 4wd personalty in Australia! thanks madmatt
Well aren't you my new most favourite fan. :) Thanks mate I do appreciate the support it means a lot.
I had to do that once in an emergency...now I have front and rear winches...my rear winch have saved my bacon multiple times!
Ultimate setup
The next best thing is having a hitch receiver mounted winch and have front and rear receivers.
This way, you'll only need one winch. 😁
@@FILIPINOTUNER unless your winch is wedged in front like this one I thought of your idea myself.
Been there done that matt , we used short cut logs with chainsaw under the jeep so cable runs along the wood !!!! Woot..
smashing idea
I alway wondered if that would work and you just prooved it,thanks Mate❤
Great demo, Matt. you covered and raised relevant issues with this winch in reverse
usage. Steel cable versus synthetic rope , very good point!! well done.
Thanks mate! Appreciate that.
I have a steel cable and a roller fairlead. But it's on a 5ton Iveco van so the cable wouldn't go underneath anyway. Great videos.
I’ve always wondered about that method and have never seen it tried before, thanks for taking that one on, thanks for sharing!
No problem 👍
Never even thought about this, great video and i love the bundera
Thanks
Great channel. Been wheeling my whole life. Built a few rigs myself. This is wonderful information whether your a pro or a novice. Thanks
Thanks mate
Seen your videos a few time and always like them, just subscribed as well.
Thanks heaps
Wheel well! I love it!!
Nice
Great video. I know a roller fairlead is rarely seen with rope, but I think it would be a huge advantage here.
Yes it certainly would have
This video idea came after I STUFFED UP in the SAME RUT in a previous video . Here is that link th-cam.com/video/agTzSANI3JY/w-d-xo.html and another idea was Sideways Winching th-cam.com/video/Z3ChEkSsxpE/w-d-xo.html
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I saw this ONCE and the cable (steel) was pretty much toast after- You made this look easy
This is not something I’d do unless it was my only option.
This is the first time I’ve actually seen someone do this. Quite interesting. I hope I never have to do this, but it’s good to know if I do.
I would also consider using a snatch block at the tree to get more rope off the spool for added strength.
The angle of the initial pull was quite severe. Thanks for sharing this idea/configuration.
Yeah for me it was a curiosity rather than something I want to have to use.
Excellent content! Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Good stuff mate. Cheers for sharing
Thanks! I appreciate you commenting.
Great video, thank you so very much from Ohio, USA ...
Pleasure
I too always wondered .. now I know Thanks
Very nice we learn new things
Mad Matt 👌🏼honestly at the start of the video as you were talking about it I was thinking how 🤔
You ripper cheers
I was think winch to front tree with a pulley block to a tree behind blew me away
Ha ha. Rippa
I actually learn more from you and your Bundy than hundreds of four wheel drive shows. I want to start applying your techniques with my bj73 iv just restored but A) I don't want to trash the old girl and B) the main lesson iv learned is diff locks make wheeling 100 times easier and safer. Cool videos mate keep them coming 👍
Thanks heaps for the kind words. I’m glad I’m helping you.
That Bundy is mint! I am so jealous!
Thanks mate. many hours of work and it's not finished yet.
4WDs are never finished!
Always wondered if this would work. Thanks!
It's cool ay
Thanks, man you added more experience by this trick :)
Pleasure
I’m amazed that u do the winching without flipping over your vehicle mate. great job.
😁
Nice one Matt
Its called the "Reach Around Pull"......
Pretty popular in the Sydney 4WD scene
And Melbourne
Ive heard blokes from Sydney are quite fond of a "reach around" 😂😂
Its default recovery position for them craig :)
I have 2 4wds and both don't have a winch but I do have a hand winch, which I could easily use in both front and rear, plus I've got all the other recovery gears. New subbie here thanks for the tip...👍😁
Thanks for sharing
Great video thank you!
Pleasure
Excellent. Was wondering about this today.
Ha ha how cool
Awesome!
Yess...we also has tried this method before on our friend Feroza,after ended up with no anchor point at the front,so we decided to use this method,and its workd at least for an emergency case....
That’s cool.
"kinda sketchy" - love it!
Great stuff. I have often wondered how that type of recovery would work.
You and me both!
Excellent thank you 👍👍
Lake Havasu, Az. USA
Thank you too!
@@MadMatt4WD well crap ya replied so now I have to sub.. Lol...
Great vids mate👍👍...
Matt. I would have thought you'd be avoiding that hole by now. Isn't that the third time? ;-) hahahaha!!!
LOL. When your on a good thing stick to it. It's a hole that just keeps on giving.
@@MadMatt4WD ;-)
Any hole is a goal they reckon
Great info
Cheers! I appreciate you commenting
Love the commentary - "protect the bush, you love the bush don't yah?"
LOL I do what I can. :)
I had to do this exact thing in Utah one year with my quad while on the deer hunt to get out of a bad situation that frankly was dumb to have gotten myself into in the first place. That said, it worked great, however there was a little twist in my case. The only tree available to me was off at approximately least a 30 degree angle instead of relatively straight behind the quad and the quad was up against a pretty decent hill on that side. I was concerned that the cable would slice into my tire as it rubbed along on the one side. I didn't have a snatch block or even a pully. The only thing I had to work with was a padlock, so i put it around the cable and locked it to the rear receiver on the quad and it acted as enough of a pully to divert the cable and still pull the quad relatively straight back without rubbing the tire. Maybe someone will find this helpful. Thanks for the video!
That’s cool it worked. It also sounds like you looked for ways to overcome the challenges in as safe a manner of you could. Many recoveries are not ideal.
Great video, have thought of Plenty of times this could be useful but wssnt sure how it would work in practice
I actually had an occasion to need to do that. It was my last option with a Ram 2500 CTD and a camper on it buried in some deep mud. Forward was a no go. I ran my cable as you did under the truck to a good solid tree behind me. A 12000 pound Mile Marker with steel cable. The theory was good. The application suffered from friction loss, very hard cable turns, and the extreme suction of the clay like mud. I had minimal movement. The cable length needed to make the hookup ruled out using a snatch block. I did bend the lower roller on the fairlead a touch as well and the winch plate. No catastrophic failures occurred but I was extremely cautious. When another rig happened along to help, the combination of his kinetic rope AND the reverse winch is what got me out. So although reverse winching didn't do it alone, it WAS an aide in the operation.
This experience led me to a conclusion in doing this. I think a simpler "stuck" with the ability to roll, this technique will work better like in your video. For my heavy rig, a rear winch will be added. Reverse winching may be an option when one is in dire straights, but will probably come with consequence in a bad stuck. Just my observation from experience. .
Wow. What a story
Thanks! Liked the video, hope I never have to do it.
Creative winching!!!!
Yep
Great video thanks
Pleasure
That's great....
Great video Matt
Glad you enjoyed it
"Ya get your wife to do it"... good laugh!
I no stupid
And if you have to do it in a river foul of crocks get your mother in law down there!!!
I have used bow shackle from the rear tow bar to help keep cable up and rear of the car down and tracking straight. Especially in muddy clay
The only issue I have with that idea is a bow shackle doesn’t really have a good surface to drag a cable or rope across. Also it’s bend radius is very tight.
Very cool vid, well done!! I've done this a few times living in Northern Canada lol If concerned about cable wearing on critical components underneath, we lay down wood logs width wise so winch line doesn't touch vehicle or the ground if need be! Just a tip we've learned!! 🤔👍😎
Yeah ok thanks.
I think for a single winch, you could rig some sort of post-mounted pulley to flip down and push the cable below running gear, mufflers and stuff.
We’ll all be under our rigs now looking for where we’d run that winch line. Wonder if a snatchblock at the rear would’ve helped as well. In that instance though, if the unit was also in reverse gear, low range, with lockers engaged, it would almost levitate out of that ditch. lol
Yeah. It’s good to know it can work but I’d be looking at other ways to do it. 😁
thanks for the video i was like i wonder how you'd winch yourself out if you'd nosed in somewhere you shouldn't have. In my mind i was like might need this for a mud hole or a snow bank been stuck in situations like that a few times but no winch back then. Thanks for the video
Yeah I thought along the same lines. So did this to explore if this could it be done in an emergency.
You can also winch backward if you have three anchor points and three snatch blocks. There are some video's on this method as well.
I did that in a previous video. Called winching sideways.
My first recovery was a backwards recovery. It ruined my rope from all the force from it going around the bottom of my bumper but it got me free.
Yeah it’s a harsh method
I've actually done this in reverse. Have a 1 ton oilfield winch truck with the winch on the bed of the truck. Had to run the line over the tailboard then under the truck out the front. Hooked to a tree and pulled myself out of the mud hole. Unfortunately didn't have the wife with me as he suggested so I had to get muddy myself.
You need to have a wife with you at all times. 😂😂
To compensate for friction loss, would it make sense to try a double line pull? Great video! This is a new tool for all of us!
Maybe that would work or maybe add more friction???? I think this is a last resort option.
Late to the game myself, I've done that several times with the old Warn MX10k, going into a swampy spot with no trees in front of me, low confidence. Hooked the hook on the trailer hitch. got 50 feet and sunk out of sight, hooked up and winched backwards, mangled the license plate a bit.
I have a winch with carrier that goes in my rear hitch with an extend cable from the battery to pull from the rear. Works as well as the front winch.
Yes that can work and saves carrying the winch when you don’t need it.
I like the hook and snatch
Didn't see a comment about using an actual roller fairlead. Would be much better for a metal cable. Also like the idea of using the rear reciever as a guide for the cable, if you have a way to do it.
Yeah I didn't think of that. I suppose most run a hawse and synthetic rope these days.
Another great vid. Love the reverse pull.
You should have told those Nissan drivers NOT to throw the cable over the roof. 😁 keep up the good work Matt.
All good fun. It’s all about getting home safe. 😁
😂 well said👍
Ha Ha Ha You mean this video. th-cam.com/video/VtZxLGFNV3A/w-d-xo.html
LOL cracka :)
Jack yes it is all about getting home safe and recovering Nissans. :)
Always wondered about this
Wonder no more
For my Steel Cable it has a Roller Fairlead so as long as it didn’t get caught in the corner of it, it would likely have a nice radius to come around for a reverse winch! :D
Your fairlead only rolls the Cable over 90 degrees and the diameter is way too small for wire rope. Maybe you’re joking but people think TH-cam comments like this are gospel.
@@Suntzur so you’re tell me if you were stuck somewhere you wouldn’t try this with a cable line?
@@no0channel0at0all not at all. I’ve done a lot of things that I wouldn’t recommend other people do and in this case, IIRC, the post I replied to made it sound like this is a good use of a winch system and it is not. Emergency, yup, planned back-up? No way.
Nice
Thanks
Thank you for another great video! I've got to ask, what year is this beast? Doubt we can get them in the states, but it's a lot like my 2 door Sidekick.
Cheers!
Thanks. 1988 rj70
Cool
Hm this gives me an idea. Weld some sort of small roller shackle somewhere out of the way on your axels, so if you ever have to reverse winch you have a nice guide to keep your cable in an safe! Might have to give it a shot on my Hilux
You could certainly do that. For the few number of times you may use this I wouldn’t bother.
As an owner of 4 1st gen 4runners, I've never seen one of these and I want one
ha ha ha. Just letting you know you can't have mine.
Great video, do they make a roller for skid plate and rear receiver hitch , something to think about👍🏻🇺🇸
you wold have to make your own thing i think.
Nice little video, tbh most of us can do with some practical practice. I always believe have at least twice your winch capacity to your weight and i will still use snatch blocks if i can
Nice
Wow, never heard of that before.
Nor had I lol
Great video and great explanations. I am also wondering if using a snatch block at the tree and hooking up the end of the winch to the rear bumper tow point would help reduce the force needed by the winch to pull you out.
Not really. The winch rope going over the fair lead is the real problem. To solve that you need to do a proper reverse winch setup
It would reduce the line pull.
We once used a winch to straighten the vehicles tie rod. I watched in horror as the steel winch cable cut through the bumper tube, it went through very easily with so much pressure. The same could happen to other tubes under the vehicle. Using a winch rope, as shown here, would tend to avoid this problem.
Yes. I don’t touch steel any more
He's got a little Captain in him.
I like it as a last resort, personally I would probably use a snatch block and hook the cable onto the rear of the car, especially a short wheelbase like the bundy. Purely just to remove any risk of the vehicle "nose-diving"
Yes. It’s not my go to solution for sure.
A good argument for using rollers.
I had an idea to put a Reece-type receiver on the front of my truck so that I could mount a winch on a bar and make it portable for front or rear, and can be stored when not in use. I already have Anderson connectors with 1-gauge wire on the front and rear of my truck for using with 30-ft. jumper cables, so it would be a quick and easy install when needed. Just plug-n-play!
That’s been done before
@@MadMatt4WD I am having trouble finding direct-fit listings for a front receiver hitch. I knew I wasn't the only person who would have had this idea, so I am curious why it is so hard to find parts and kits.
I’d have to do the search. Look for winch cradle.
This is why I use a winch on a portable mount. 90% of the time its easier to winch yourself from the direction you came from.
Yes it is.
I had to do this the other day, to get back onto a track after ending up on slippery clay. This video was in my head when i was doing it, first time ever using a winch too, and solo haha
Hey Matt, Awesome. glad it worked out. Probably the only time you'll need to do it though. :)
I've seen people reverse winch, but I think they used like three snatch blocks, but it still didn't make sense but it did work.
Yes that’s the proper procedure. This was more trying something to see if it would work.
How bad ass!!!
Lol. Gotta have a go
Just wondering if the vehicle was at a steeper angle would it possibly tip rear over front, maybe run the winch rope through a snatch block off a rear recovery point to help prevent tip over
At some point that could happen. This was no where near steep enough.
Cool how did you Dow at
Hello Matt
on the german YT-channel Explorer Magazin they showed a reverse winching from the side of the car.
For this reverse winching they needed 3 pulley.
One went to the side of the car, one was on the side behind the car, the winch hook was attached to a tree safer on the other side of the back from the car and the third pulley was attached to the back (mountingpoint, tow bar) of the car, so that there was an open triangle behind the car.
With rolling in the winch cable the car where taken backwards til the triangle was a straight line.
Did you ever heard or tried this winching method?
Kind regards from Cologne/Germany
BlackCat
Hey. I’ve done the reverse winch before but not a reverse winch setup to pull sideways. That’s interesting. This is one i did.
th-cam.com/video/Z3ChEkSsxpE/w-d-xo.html
You could maybe put a snatch block on your receiver hitch for some extra angle, to stop the rope rubbing on the ground.
I thought about that but felt it would increase the pressure on the underside of the vehicle. The rope doesn't actually move that much on the ground because I'm not pulling it "through" the dirt.
😳 I wonder if it will flip it over to the other side of the ditch. Luckily I would be fine because I have an 8k winch on the front of my 2000 k Dakota as well as a 6k tucked behind my rear bumper it comes in really handy .👍🏻
A rear winch is a good idea.
The older roller fairleads would decrease you friction loss and also lessen the damage potential on the cable. Also girders work well straight to the rear of you vehicle ( just more manual effort)
Totally agree.
Could you use a snatch block on the tree and run the thimble back to a rear recovery hitch on the vehicle?
Yes you could.
Good demo .. If you were running steel would that not be a roller not a Hauser 🤔? I know mine is . .
Yes a steel rope would destroy the hawse. I don’t use steel anymore.
Put a solid steel tube roller at the base of the fair lead
That would help
maybe put a roller under the cable guide to have less friction. nice job
I could do that but probably not worth it given I've never used this technique in anger.
I've always wondered why they don't make mounted pulleys for this purpose.
I think most vehicles wouldn't cope with a winch rope underneath. I might make one for the Bundera at some point.
THANK YOU, watched it AGAIN. (watched about a year ago)
WHAT Model Toyota is that PLEASE ?
Regards.
It's called a Bundera. This was an RJ70 but it's had an engine conversion. Theres a few videos with it on the channel.
@@MadMatt4WD
THANK YOU Matt.
Very Much APPRECIATED. Very Much.
Thanks again mate.
Running 2 winch front and rear... And fast pto winch for the win on the front.
Yeah yeah
Are your tyres 33" or 35s" they look huge.
How do they effect the Bundy, softer ride? Also do they effect the life of the bearings?
33" they're fine no issues.