The First Order's Internal Struggle | Will It Destroy Them?

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  • There is an underlying problem that threatens to destroy the First Order from within. And that has to do with the growing disconnect between the Old Guard (Former Imperials) and the New Guard (Post Imperial Era) in the First Order.
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  • @Imperius254
    @Imperius254 5 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    50 credits says the majority of the new ship designs the FO came up with were designed by members of the Old Guard because they learned the failings of their own ships and equipment the hard way. Also willing to bet the Old Guard was opposed to Starkiller base and instead wanted to use the resources put into that base into additional ships and infrastructure

    • @welkingunther5417
      @welkingunther5417 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I bet 50 credits on that as well.

    • @Imperius254
      @Imperius254 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lolmeme69_ I said probably most of the FO ship designs were designed by the Old Guard, not all designs

    • @makswais3012
      @makswais3012 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      But guarded. This dreadnought could be great asset. But Hux is a terrible commander.

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      And whoever designed the new dreadnought was likely learning kindergarten lessons...

    • @user-Jay178
      @user-Jay178 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@chrissonofpear3657 yep the bridge is right in the open for a a wing to crash into it.

  • @randomguy4055
    @randomguy4055 5 ปีที่แล้ว +480

    I side at the Old Guard. They have more experience than the New Guard, and they have gone through serious crap from the past. Have a nice day/evening to anyone who is watching😃

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Yea and they kind of were hand selected by palpatine

    • @foresta-2684
      @foresta-2684 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Neat Will's Show
      I agree

    • @user-Jay178
      @user-Jay178 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Agree they had more experience

    • @shade419
      @shade419 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Tons more experience, and they'd been willing to learn from their mistakes in doctrines and recognition of threats.

    • @rippetoe38
      @rippetoe38 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me too. They weren't created by Disney.

  • @spiderxand
    @spiderxand 5 ปีที่แล้ว +338

    I have to give it to the Old Guard. They got shit done like a boss. Sure there were a few tontos, but they were few & far between. Piett. Viers. Callus. They don't have guys like those anymore.

    • @akessel92train
      @akessel92train 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Joshua Preston nor Thrawn

    • @mateocano8326
      @mateocano8326 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Callus the traitor???

    • @spiderxand
      @spiderxand 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@akessel92train Him too.

    • @wolfofthewest1
      @wolfofthewest1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      akessel92train Preston Garvey. Dammit he can move between universes

    • @spiderxand
      @spiderxand 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mateocano8326 Yes. Him.

  • @noblewolfe891
    @noblewolfe891 5 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    Despite the bad the old guard had they still had experienced war. Unlike the new guard... as a famous clone captain once said:experience out ranks everything

    • @Gameguy-gk8lx
      @Gameguy-gk8lx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Baron Wolfe Who said that, Captain Phasma?
      Jk I know u mean my boi CT-7567.

    • @hi-to6sk
      @hi-to6sk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Gameguy-gk8lx when I first read you thought it was captain phasma that said it you almost had me triggered then I saw the rest.

    • @Gameguy-gk8lx
      @Gameguy-gk8lx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      grand admiral thrawn 😂🤣😁

    • @Gameguy-gk8lx
      @Gameguy-gk8lx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      grand admiral thrawn You may not have liked my joke, but...it was so artistically done.
      Thrawn looking at my cringey jokes like “What kind of Jedi devilry is this?”

    • @darthtroller
      @darthtroller 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Gameguy-gk8lx LMAO 😂😂😂

  • @justafaniv1097
    @justafaniv1097 5 ปีที่แล้ว +396

    I agree. The new guard has no appreciation for what did and didn't work in the old empire.
    This is why Cannady wanted to scramble the fighters, and Hux couldn't comprehend that Poe was disrespecting his authority and that his position was vulnerable.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Yea and peavey totally knew what was going on too he was shaking his head and dying a bit inside

    • @makswais3012
      @makswais3012 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      R.I.P Cannady

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Dying a bit? Lucky Peavey. Not so good for Cannady...

    • @user-Jay178
      @user-Jay178 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah they should have fired on space ships.

    • @t65bx25
      @t65bx25 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Cannady is the older brother doing his homework and chores while caring about his appearance, reputation, and grades, while Hux is the little brother doing fortnite dances and dabbing, all the while not realizing he was getting laughed at and being set up for various pranks from the neighbors.

  • @aymen_2124
    @aymen_2124 5 ปีที่แล้ว +294

    The 1st Disorder

  • @alexander9703
    @alexander9703 5 ปีที่แล้ว +220

    "Captain Canady, why aren't you blasting that puny ship?" -
    "That 'puny ship' is too small and at close range. We need to scramble our fighters! Five bloody minutes ago."
    For one of the only decent characters in the Last Jedi. RIP sweet prince.

    • @adambielen8996
      @adambielen8996 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      F

    • @koraegi
      @koraegi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Hur durr let's fire turbolasers at a starfighter

    • @viperson9818
      @viperson9818 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well tbh he could've scrambled his own fighters. Unless he's not in charge of fighter deployment of his own ship.

    • @adambielen8996
      @adambielen8996 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@viperson9818 I believe that Hux had ordered that no fighters be launched in order to show force and superiority.

    • @darthtroller
      @darthtroller 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Poe was a good character too, he tried to rebel against the toxic Feminazi superiority, he didn't go beta male mode like Finn

  • @TKinfinity01
    @TKinfinity01 5 ปีที่แล้ว +395

    Reminds me of the struggle between Disney and Lucasfilm.

  • @Reyma777
    @Reyma777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    The First Order has more concerns than just infighting, they can't destroy a single Mon Calamari cruiser, despite having a mega star destroyer supported by numerous capital ships and a fleet of fighters.

    • @nemdenemam9753
      @nemdenemam9753 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      or just...you know...checking the the surroundings of said ships to see whether they are dispatching easily visible transport ships. Thank god they had a codebreaker from the jail cells of a backhand casino world to help them out...

    • @Inky_Inc
      @Inky_Inc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Instead of firing at the resistance base they should’ve fired at the raddus first so the evacuating shuttles have no where to go

    • @timmywoo3572
      @timmywoo3572 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Inky_Incthe don’t have a smart Tarkington guy so the won’t do that

  • @AlvorReal
    @AlvorReal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +169

    Frankly the New Order is nonsensical. They’re so over the top and dystopian that it’s frankly dysfunctional.

    • @yarpen26
      @yarpen26 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      And there's absolutely nothing cool about them. Just lots of yelling and baffling incompetence. That's why nobody gives a fuck about these new movies.

    • @Supersurfer12
      @Supersurfer12 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I know that the Empire was suppose to be an example of the Nazis, but I have no clue what the First Order is suppose to be an example to ?

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Supersurfer12 First Order is also supposed to be an example of the Nazis, but more... Neo-Nazis, than oldschool Nazis.

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @OrangeManBad Well, old Empire was pretty clearly set up to be an analogy to Nazis visually and even has them blowing up planets, and was expanded further in the EU lore by making them racist against aliens too with a number of genocides and such. You're right though about how hamfisted the First Order is. It would be far more interesting to have them the underdogs as an even better analogy to Neo-Nazis if they really wanted to go with that. I will say though, Hux's speech when the New Republic gets wiped out is amazing.

    • @gumdeo
      @gumdeo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @OrangeManBad I see some Japanese influence in the old Empire as well, particularly the caps that the officers wear and Darth Vader's Samurai-style mask.

  • @leighrichardson4491
    @leighrichardson4491 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I’m really happy to hear that the money is going to a good place. As a veteran myself, I know of many friends of mine who have struggled in the past or are currently struggling now to make ends meet. I think that this is a great program with excellent goals

  • @silvercrescent1264
    @silvercrescent1264 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I love how the end of the 8th movie everyone is treating the first order as this fearsome enemy, when they would be lagistically, economically, and militaristically broken and screwed from the events of movies 7 and 8

    • @cattraknoff
      @cattraknoff 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Don't worry, the new Star Wars doesn't rely on out-dated concepts like logic and rational storytelling.

    • @danielshmitka8119
      @danielshmitka8119 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      +cattraknoff your right otherwise the first order would be completely broke. A planet sized super weapon, a dreadnaught destroyed while one massive fleet is destroyed and or crippled. Who needs logic when they got agendas to shove down our throats?

    • @silvercrescent1264
      @silvercrescent1264 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      True, so true

    • @danielshmitka8119
      @danielshmitka8119 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joelfredericks15 yet they are constantly shown as a joke and to correct the location they were in the unknown space but no casual fan would know you need a book to know that. Kind of defeats the purpose of the books if the movies treat the first order as a joke and no explanation in the movies why they have all the resources including a giant planet death star. Kind of makes the books as homework not fun

    • @Lawor00
      @Lawor00 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joelfredericks15 If you maded deals with big companies so republic should known about you. You cannot hide such a big fleet and so many resources and money it is no possible.

  • @marcbartuschka6372
    @marcbartuschka6372 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I highly feel for the old guard and still hope they (together with Imperial Remnants in the Core Worlds etc and maybe the Chiss) will get rid of this rabid dogs like Hux and Kylo. Men like Pellaeon and Women like Sloane and allies like Thrawn represent the best of the Empire - with them a lasting Empire could be build. The New Republic and the new ranks of the FO are both similar incompetent.

  • @theminisimmer
    @theminisimmer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I love the Empire for its cold ambition. They were focused and had clear goals. I also love the First Order for its inner struggle and the fact that it's so volatile that it could destroy itself from the inside out. Hux needs to prove himself a force to be reckoned with in episode 9, and I feel like he might just do that. He's probably sick of being thrown around and abused. The question is, will he ever be as great as Grand Admiral Thrawn...? Doubt it.

  • @tempest_0722
    @tempest_0722 5 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Cap. Kennedy took the defeat like a boss, standing tall on his bridge. Hux on the other hand...

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Yea but totally unnecessary! I mean poe dameron is awesome but one fighter shouldn’t be able to fly around Unharassed for that long

    • @tempest_0722
      @tempest_0722 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      ​@@GenerationTech This is why I was so angry about his death after leaving cinema... Cap. Kennedy could have been made into a truly terrific character but was wasted for "story" purpose. Such a sad waste... Seeing him going down with his ship made him the most likeble charachter for me in the whole movie, dedicated to his belives to the end.

    • @tempest_0722
      @tempest_0722 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@GenerationTech Btw. what about his bridge crew... If i remember corectly I haven't seen any of them try to run for the escape pods, instead all of them stayed on the bridge... Can we assume that ultimatly they were loyal to the Captain of the ship?

    • @danielgavilan6387
      @danielgavilan6387 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well, perhaps I am playing the devil's advocate to much with Hux, but the guy isn't exactly someone who appear to give up easily. His Starkiller base was destroyed. He had a Dreadnought. The Dreadnought was destroyed, his fleet was equipped with hyperspace tracker system. Part of the fleet was destroyed and the enemy take refuge in a unbreakable base, he had a battering ram cannon. Even when Snoke take him down against the floor, the guy declined to submit his gaze, being totally secure of overcome his failure. Hux is a jackal, and a short-tempered psychopath. But also a persistent one, with a unique skill to survive to his own and others mess. While Kylo Ren is heading to his own destruction, I would be cautious to not understimate that Hux moron. He probably it's the most dangerous First Order's guy at this moment

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Canady...

  • @lisbon1492
    @lisbon1492 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    The First Order's biggest internal struggle will be between Hux and Kylo Ren. While Kylo is nominally the new supreme leader, he will be challenged by Hux and the other officers. This creates a very dangerous schism for the First Order. While he was incredibly evil, Snoke was a unifying figure in the First Order. Snoke clearly possessed certain political skills that allowed him to lead the First Order effectively. Kylo Ren does not have any leadership skills, and he is incredibly impulsive, as seen at the end of The Last Jedi. Hux and the other First Order officers don't really respect Kylo, and they will probably try to assassinate Kylo as quickly as possible. This situation reminds me of South Vietnam after Diem's assassination. After Diem's death, the South Vietnamese government was never able to unify around another leader, and the government descended into political chaos with coups and counter-coups.

    • @saltysnowflake5832
      @saltysnowflake5832 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lisbon1492 I'm willing to bet that Kylo and Hux are gonna fight, and Kylo's gonna kill him and eventually destroy the FO from lack of restraint.

    • @scouthux9470
      @scouthux9470 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saltysnowflake5832 eat shit

  • @patrickstewart3446
    @patrickstewart3446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Q: How long would it take for Thrawn to defeat Hux?
    A: For as long as it takes for Thrawn to study Hux's grade school drawings (which, apparently, were drawn only 5 years ago.) :)

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Lol thrawn would take one look and be like this is the work of a psychopath

    • @scouthux9470
      @scouthux9470 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok me vs you who whould win?

    • @patrickstewart3446
      @patrickstewart3446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hux vs Captain Picard? Sounds interesting. ;)

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Psychopaths can actually be COMPETENT at times. Hux - not so often.

    • @sugdolomar
      @sugdolomar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thrawn wins simply by making an appearance. Hux would piss himself.

  • @dyllanalford5276
    @dyllanalford5276 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    From how things are going i think the old guard are just going to end up getting killed due to plot or new guard incompetence

    • @justaknight4719
      @justaknight4719 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It was definitely due to new guard incompetence. :p

  • @butteredtoast6510
    @butteredtoast6510 5 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    This won't destroy them, but a "nobody" from Jakku will!

  • @danielgavilan6387
    @danielgavilan6387 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I agree with almost everything, but also think Armitage deserve some credit. Starkiller base was destroyed, yes. But it was by a impossible maneuver performed by Han Solo, Chewbacca and Finn, getting inside the orbital shield by jumping to hyperspace, and being incredibly lucky, by finding one of the few people with athority to disengage the shields. Plus, the base served its purpose, destroying the entire Hosninan Prime System and New Republic's army. Without Starkiller base, First Order would have had to face a neverending Clone Wars type conflict to take New Republic's capital. Having time to make a single shot, they perform a perfect blitzkrieg, leaving only some dozens of Leia ragtag rebels as opposition

    • @christopherbravo1813
      @christopherbravo1813 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And then he threw away his fancy dreadnought almost immediately after Starkiller's destruction.

    • @danielshmitka8119
      @danielshmitka8119 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree with Christopher. The first order does a blitzkrieg against a pacifist fleet and capital instead attacking the known threat then throwing away yet another powerful weapon that was destroyed by these meger few resistance then Holdo pulls an old classic move performed by the Japanese imperial fighters during ww2 by suicide rushing the enemy destroying half of the fleet and the largest capital ship ever built. Strategy is not in their skill set.

    • @danielgavilan6387
      @danielgavilan6387 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Daniel Shmitka They do better with theoretical strategies and with the development of an powerfull war machine, than in the field. Yes, they lose the Starkiller Base, and then the Dreadnought, the Supremacy and twenty capital ships more. But unlike the Empire and the Deathstar fiasco, the First Order was ready to go through with their lose, and keep going with the siege. If the Empire would have done the same thing, the Rebel Alliance wouldn't have survive Yavin 4. Sometimes you win by having better soldiers, sometimes you win by not doing the attack, until you know you have the biggest and more advanced army. Plus, New Republic is not "pacifist" like "vegan Hippies from the sixties pacifists", but like "NATO pacifists"

    • @christopherbravo1813
      @christopherbravo1813 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That doesn't excuse the idiotic tactics of Herr Starscream, if you know what I mean.

    • @danielshmitka8119
      @danielshmitka8119 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Daniel Gavilán ok ok....not pacifist? They called for total disarmament of all warships. Self defense only kind of weapons. They didn't listen to Liea and no offense but even those who were in the empire like Captain Candy completely hates that his superior wouldn't send out fighters to destroy the resistance fighter or just plain out defend the dreadnaught. That's the problem with saying they are good at theoretical strategy is even in theory it's flawed because their loss is about 100,000 times more than the resistance not to mention no one take Kylo serious anymore. I do see your point though but even a half assed blitzkrieg would do more damage than what they did. They only killed the bombers and fighter craft of the resistance and one admiral. They failed to kill Leia (plot armor) and they failed to kill the resistance when they out gunned, out numbered and cornered them on Crait

  • @calvinmatthews1527
    @calvinmatthews1527 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Kind of like J.J Abbrams and Rian Johnson in directing

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I would argue JJ is too old guard hence the carbon copy that was force awkens and Rj is new guard which is why the last Jedi was all about his artistic view and not Star Wars

  • @daniels7907
    @daniels7907 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The First Order is a joke now that Kylo Ren is in charge. Rian Johnson justified killing off Snoke with the excuse that it was to allow Kylo to take center stage as the main villain. But, he never actually demonstrates that Kylo is *qualified* to be the main villain. He has no self-control, throws tantrums and makes strategically unsound decisions based on his emotions. Only the fact that the New Republic was also a joke built on Mon Mothma's nostalgia for the weak and ineffectual Republic of Chancellor Valorum opens even the possibility that the First Order can win now. If the heroes win, it is only because the villains are even more incompetent than they are!

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yea rian johnson doesn’t think about the trilogy he’s looking for things to work in his movie and the smoke thing was unexpected but really ties up the next director

    • @justaknight4719
      @justaknight4719 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Imagine Darth Plagueis is Snoke's master. That would turn some head, he successfully resurrected him self though Sith science.

    • @daniels7907
      @daniels7907 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They may have to actually play the Essence Transfer card. In the OT, you could imagine Darth Vader ruling the Empire as early as ANH. But we are two movies into the sequel trilogy and Kylo Ren has yet to demonstrate that he is anything more than a temperamental man-child who acts solely on impulse rather than strategy. The only thing he has going for him is that apparently the New Republic was basically a failed state and dissolved into chaos when Hosnian Prime was destroyed. But that introduces the problem of why we should root for the New Republic when it was obviously not worth saving. This trilogy needed an outline that encompassed all three movies from the beginning, rather than leaving it up to each individual director to pursue their "vision".

    • @christopherbravo1813
      @christopherbravo1813 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well said.

  • @imperialistopinions2276
    @imperialistopinions2276 5 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    I care very little about the First Order - especially since I have to compare them to the Imperial Remnant/Fel Empire of Legends, which are far more sympathetic, and have simply shown far more character. Moden Canady was a great example of everything the Old Empire stood for, similarly to the likes of Pellaeon. Hux, Phasma, Kylo - none of them are worth following. I personally welcome any struggle between the First Order and the Empire's Old Guard, and I pray that the right people come away from it as the victors for the sake of my own interest in Star Wars content set after the new sequel trilogy.

    • @thanghoang3198
      @thanghoang3198 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Well, the New Guard resembles the Waffen SS you know. Both are loud-mouth, incompetent mugs.

    • @imperialistopinions2276
      @imperialistopinions2276 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thang Hoang Knowing that doesn't make me like the First Order any more though

    • @hi-to6sk
      @hi-to6sk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pellaeon is the man with that God damn plan.

  • @DerAnanasKing
    @DerAnanasKing 5 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    how exactly did such a badly lead and unprofessional army defeat the new republic? I´m still really pissed off, that they decidet, to skip, what would objectively have been a much better movie.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Just started watching the resistance we finally get to see a glimpse of the new republic once I get enough info I’ll probably do a vid

    • @flatheadgg2443
      @flatheadgg2443 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Sure but remember it’s only a Star wars movie if the good guys are the underdogs good empires fighting evil uprisings isn’t the way things get done here

    • @ascendantfiction7220
      @ascendantfiction7220 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Probably because the New Republic was even more incompetent.

    • @DerAnanasKing
      @DerAnanasKing 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I for my part think, they just should have made the thrawn trilogy into a mivie, or use any of the post Endor material.

    • @dyllanalford5276
      @dyllanalford5276 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@flatheadgg2443 i wouldn't say the clone wars had the republic as the underdogs

  • @maryellencook9528
    @maryellencook9528 5 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    Age and cunning will out do youth and exhuberance every time, Allen, my dear. Don't piss off an old person as we have more ways than one to retaliate.🙄☺😀

    • @casbot71
      @casbot71 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      But a young person can always just wait you out.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      That’s cold casbott respect your elders or they’ll get you from the great beyond

    • @artonline01
      @artonline01 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Stop being so old and bastdardly

    • @maryellencook9528
      @maryellencook9528 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@GenerationTech Thank you. My goal is to grow up and be a poltergeist.😆👽😈

    • @Steamrunner
      @Steamrunner 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @casbott only until it's dinner time. Then it's shuffling feet lost in the kitchen, unable to figure out the controls on the oven or microwave.

  • @Phantom6.6.6
    @Phantom6.6.6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    I support the old guard

  • @warfighter3128
    @warfighter3128 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The old guard has learned (finally) and adapted to the mistakes of the Empire. They will be the deciding factor in this struggle. On another note I agree with you end statement about older and younger generations 110%

  • @user-Jay178
    @user-Jay178 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great video I have to side with the old guard they seem smarter and learn their mistakes from the empire.

  • @wubster7932
    @wubster7932 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    How did Snoke become supreme leader of the new order? Like was he set up as that by the empire before the end or did he just say hey, make me your leader?

    • @keiths81ca
      @keiths81ca 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Now we may never know

  • @darthvader4594
    @darthvader4594 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    first order is better than the new republic imo,they just completely ignored what the empire had done to the Galaxy.

  • @paulcontos5965
    @paulcontos5965 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a fascinating video. It makes me see the new movies a different light. Thanks for making this Generation Tech!

  • @HANSE658
    @HANSE658 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Wow a balanced and logical opinion on the US military, impressive

  • @markchang2964
    @markchang2964 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    4:42 from the phasma book! I have that!

  • @tamasaii
    @tamasaii 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My 18 yr old and I have been clashing a lot. This video especially what you said at the end actually does seem to apply with what's been going on in my relationship. I will try harder to respect him and be patient with him. Hopefully he will recognize that I still have something to contribute. Thank you.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The fact that you are trying says a lot if he doesn’t appreciate it now he will one day

  • @robertmiller9023
    @robertmiller9023 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The way the rebellion won against the Empire one word
    LUCK

    • @kellysunserenity4068
      @kellysunserenity4068 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yet in Obi-wan's view there's no such thing as luck...
      (Sorry, couldn't help it. Lol)

  • @oliviabean8264
    @oliviabean8264 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very insightful, you make a lot of amazing points here. It's easy to lose hope but as long we keep our heads together and learn from our mistakes we can do this. Also Dolphins aside I found the rest of your video where your talking about the first order very interesting.

  • @Gabrong
    @Gabrong 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    probably my biggest problem with SW that it's main medium, the movies are... especially the new ones, when you hop in and watch, you will not understand a big chunk of it. and not only because for ex you didn't see the old ones, but because the films are just a small part of the story. the films do not tell you the wast majority of the story and characters and then the impression is that half of the crew is either an idiot or a pathetic ball made out of arrogance and bullcrap. if you want to understand it and them, you either read every book and comic or watch every TH-cam videos about it. this is... I couldn'tt show an SW movie to my gf without constantly telling her the little pieces. and if she would hate the movie, I would totally understand her. they are like a hollow slideshow if you ask me. short clips of something big. it is just somehow a thing in SW movies at least for me, can't enjoy them and the SW universe without deep searching for these informations. but it shouldn't be the case.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Haha yeah exactly, luckily I have the time to absorb everything ;)

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Visual storytelling and the open crawl is supposedly mean't to shortcut that, but you often loose a sense of scope in the process.

    • @Nathan-pq9wj
      @Nathan-pq9wj 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GenerationTech I am afraid that Star Wars has gone a dark path. Help us Clone Wars Season 8, you're are only hope.

    • @michalk.9174
      @michalk.9174 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was like this since the prequels, but of course now everybody ignores that and puts the blame on Disney.

    • @DeShawnMcDonald
      @DeShawnMcDonald 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was like that for the original trilogy and prequels too, let's be honest the "fight" scenes in the originals made everyone look like fucking idiots or old men who looked like they needed some Aleve. And I like kylo rens tantrums more then lukes constant whiny ass voice "but I wanna go to toshi station," And then precedes to pour. I'm not disagreeing with you at all by the way im just saying it's always been like that. Unless you read the comics and books back in the day to Palpatine looks like the biggest pussy ever he has no feats until some light force lightning at the end which even Vader suit that was specifically made to lose to that withstood it long enough to pick Palpatine up one handed and toss him down and endless shaft he didn't even do a little wiggle to try and break free he just let Vader do it like he threw out his back just prior and couldn't move. It wasn't until the books and comics that you saw what he really was capable of, same with every single main character actually in star wars anakins a whiny emotional bitch who appears to be in a relationship with a woman so much older then him it will make you feel uncomfortable until you read the comics or watch clone Wars and find out their ages are pretty close together her planet is just fucking stupid and they have queens that are possibly elected that also don't have the power of a Senator? Not sure what type of feudalism that s supposed to be but something went terribly wrong lol. Even Vader had the most embarrassing fight scenes other the rots until rouge one and in order to see how powerful he was you either read comics or watched rebels or thought he was a chump who could barely move around but just had space magic so he strong enough.

  • @drmcfurryballs
    @drmcfurryballs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dolphins : **exist**
    Allen : *ANGER*

  • @sheevone4359
    @sheevone4359 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    That's actually my theory. The first order will crumble from the inside and not because of the resistance

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You would sheev lol

    • @makswais3012
      @makswais3012 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some kind of "Game of Thrones?"

    • @chrissonofpear3657
      @chrissonofpear3657 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      There was a rumour Hux would defect - although I think it did come from Thor Skywalker...

  • @dylanlewis3038
    @dylanlewis3038 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What happened to the Imperial Guardsmen (Red Guards)? Did any join the First Order, or did they all commit suicide for failing to protect the Emperor?

    • @mill2712
      @mill2712 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably a mix of both.

  • @randomcoyote8807
    @randomcoyote8807 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Seems like the new generation among the First Order is of the mindset that "the old guys had the right ideas, they just didn't do them right/hard enough" so they try to repeat some of the strategic mistakes (ie, the Death Star/Starkiller Base) while fixing some of the tactical errors (shielded TIEs). They have to reinvent the wheel or they won't learn...

  • @foxhoundr3364
    @foxhoundr3364 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great charity mate! As a former Veteran In the Australian Army. I salute you 😉🇦🇺🇺🇸🍻

  • @abrakadabra6364
    @abrakadabra6364 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "All you old bastards out there, stop being so old and bastardly" Put that out in a shirt!

  • @MUMSUniverse
    @MUMSUniverse 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good video & I really liked your parting words of wisdom to the young & old.
    Also, "Down with dolphin! 'Support Bears & Squirrels!" 🚫🐬⬇️, ♥️🐻&🐿☮

  • @realistic.optimist
    @realistic.optimist 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The hats the fleet officers wear look like something Dr Seuss would have drawn up. LOL every time I see them.

  • @Alex_Ander_
    @Alex_Ander_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice video. The struggle between the Old and New Guard. Will the new Supreme Leader Kylo Ren have the authority to hold these forces together? I can imagine a scenario in which the Old Guard tries to outsted Kylo Ren and Hux by force. This fails and the New Guard purges the officer corps from the Old Guard causing the military effictiveness and stability to drop.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I actually think Kylo is a much more competent leader than hux, hux was a great administrator and did a pretty good job with the stormtroopers. Kylo is a bit emotionally balanced though so who knows, that is the big question going into the next movie. I feel like there has to be someone else at the top. Smoke died way to easily

  • @P4Tri0t420
    @P4Tri0t420 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Pls more Videos about Captain Kennedy and the Officer besides Hux. (I dont know their Name Correctly, sry)

  • @Mr-b-ryce
    @Mr-b-ryce 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like how you have Brendan Gleeson as papa hux in the thumbnail😂

  • @carblakaman
    @carblakaman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like your t-shirt because it give the "prime directive" more meaning.

  • @dovahfett5919
    @dovahfett5919 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Am I the only one dying when that Bill Cosby joke was dropped??

  • @vadandrumist1670
    @vadandrumist1670 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you make a video going over what you would consider your ideal ship & crew for bounty hunting using Star Wars tech. This could include multiple ships (example: the bounty hunting ship and crew of Cowboy Bebop).

  • @t65bx25
    @t65bx25 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I got BFII yesterday! Took me long enough. Almost a year late. But I’m happy.

    • @t65bx25
      @t65bx25 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ben Harre Just finished the main campaign actually. Wasn’t great, wasn’t terrible. But the fighters in multiplayer are SO MUCH BETTER!!!😍

    • @obiwaankenobi4460
      @obiwaankenobi4460 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@benzoh2090 Multiplayer is very fun. Although the progression system isn't the best. But hey, at least there's no more loot boxes. Overall, the game is very fun.

  • @ganykaliya7811
    @ganykaliya7811 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "Those who don't learn from history are oft doomed to repeat it." Don't know who said that. It's funny but the First Order New Guard seems a lot like JJ, Rian, and the other lucasfilm/bad robot gang.

  • @rps1276
    @rps1276 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well a bigger conflict between those two groups would have been more interesting than Episode 9

  • @brodymclaughlin
    @brodymclaughlin 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video!

  • @Lordinvdious
    @Lordinvdious 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is going to go down as one of my favorite videos yet.......
    But all you young whipper snapper remember this......
    I'm old but fight me if you will but remember I am old
    for a reason......

  • @mediadunce653
    @mediadunce653 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:13 Geez GT! My favorite actress swam with dolphins once!

  • @PakornThaipituk
    @PakornThaipituk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Then, would you explore the possibility that the Old guard helps the Resietance to fight the New counterpart to bring galaxtic peace?

  • @lawrencemiller7442
    @lawrencemiller7442 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What they need is more officers like Captain Needa a officer who when faced with failure own up to it and doesn't try and weasel his way out of it like so many of his fellow Imperial officers shifting blam to subordinates and colleagues. Unfortunately his failure and apology was unacceptable by Darth Vadars high standards and unapologetic view on incompetence.
    Great job again ladies and gentlemen. I always look forward to your uploads. Until next time. A loyal viewer.

  • @alexmaurice4274
    @alexmaurice4274 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Woah the charity thing ur doing is really cool!

  • @cameronburke8002
    @cameronburke8002 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would be cool to see the First Order split into Kylo's First Order and the Old Guard in episode 9.

  • @redbepis4600
    @redbepis4600 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    old guard: you're weak
    new guard: ok boomer

  • @danielbalder
    @danielbalder 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Was there ever a humanity first v1 V-neck? Because I'd like to pick one up in that style, but I don't see it on the website.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We do have one but just for the anti dolphins

    • @danielbalder
      @danielbalder 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GenerationTech gotcha. My hatred is mostly focused on the Xeno scum. Dolphins seem too tasty to really hate completely.

  • @user-ei5sv3pb5g
    @user-ei5sv3pb5g 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great vid, really interesting

  • @hac3359
    @hac3359 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Honestly the Sequels would've been so much better if they didn't reveal kylo's face and make him an edgy kid

    • @matrimalviarin5043
      @matrimalviarin5043 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So it would be better if they left him as an edgy faceless force user using a crucible Lightsword?

    • @GreaterGrievobeast55
      @GreaterGrievobeast55 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Matrim Alviarin I mean it be funnier seeing him wreck more stuff in his dark side angst I guess...

    • @hac3359
      @hac3359 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Matrim Alviarin Oh, forgot to say 'also remove the teen angst'.

    • @theminisimmer
      @theminisimmer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ooooh, I'm sorry that Kylo isn't a generic masked villain. 😂

    • @ouroborosi
      @ouroborosi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      it's better then being a generic twilight character

  • @Galen55
    @Galen55 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's disgusting to see how far the Empire has fallen...

  • @murdostuart6609
    @murdostuart6609 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So Palpatine initiated a scorched earth tactic (asset denial) like what the Soviets did in ww2. The Soviets used this tactic in their retreat as did the galactic empire.
    Star wars really does have real life counter parts.

  • @flare9757
    @flare9757 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if we will ever see First Order Shocktroopers...

  • @noodledogs
    @noodledogs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    on one hand, their imbalance in authority and disagreements definitely poses them as weaker than their predecessor, but on the other hand, from an audience point of view, i like the contrast. the empire was well organized and most everybody had a common goal. the first order having internal struggles sets them apart from that and fortunately doesnt just make them a copycat.

  • @aaravtulsyan
    @aaravtulsyan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey just a question, are the humanity first shirts eligible for delivery in India?

  • @FionnMacCool
    @FionnMacCool 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The creation of the first order against the new republic would be a much better trilogy than what we got

  • @FellSkyhawk
    @FellSkyhawk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They upgraded the interior of the TIE fighters but they went backwards in design.

  • @selfloathinggameing
    @selfloathinggameing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is actually pretty interesting, the old imperials like Pryde stayed loyal to the Emperor while both their Supreme Leader and General Hux both betrayed the FO

  • @DeShawnMcDonald
    @DeShawnMcDonald 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    With versus and comparisons id love to see something like what if humanity had a jedi council pre war, would the find diplomatic ways to stop the insurgency before the Spartan program could get the green light or vice versa what if some senator didn't trust the clones and stated a massive Spartan project just in case would the empire ever even form?

  • @darthderp8066
    @darthderp8066 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They could take a snow speeder and tie a big bolder and walker tip it from the top

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    @GenerationTech  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

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    • @pyeitme508
      @pyeitme508 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When will we see more Earth in Star Wars videos?! Also please make how deadly & destructive will Earth based anti tank weapons if they are facing Star Wars heavily armored targets?

  • @LuceoX30
    @LuceoX30 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do a video on something about Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds Saga. An RTS game that was pretty good.

  • @pluto9
    @pluto9 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m buying your entire stock of shirts now

  • @JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.
    @JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We should've scrambled our fighters five bloody minutes ago!
    One of the only good lines in The Last Jedi.

    • @jonathanmarcus1096
      @jonathanmarcus1096 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Completely agree! I liked that officer and the actor who played him.

  • @matthewleto1180
    @matthewleto1180 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The gorilla walkers have cable cutting blades on the front legs

  • @iamagoose8074
    @iamagoose8074 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good morning great video

  • @deadknight1402
    @deadknight1402 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me and my brother did some for-funsies speculation about the future of the Galaxy, and we came upon a narrative that would be fucking awesome.
    What if the First Order were to experience its own great schism? With leaders like Hux and Phasma leading those who still had deep loyalty and respect for Supreme Leader Snoke, and chose to mourn him, meanwhile Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren would lead the other half of those who wish to "Let the past die." And as the Resistance is a fractured, minuscule force at the moment, then they can't reestablish a democracy into the Galaxy, and thus results a power vacuum, with various factions arising to claim the Galactic scene.

  • @TheGrandTurk
    @TheGrandTurk 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm totally willing to suspend any disbelief if they establish that Captain Canady survives the destruction of the Fulminatrix so he can come back in Episode 9 as one of those Old Guard determined to get the First Order back on track. That character was awesome.

  • @datastorm75
    @datastorm75 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still think that Starkiller base was a useful idea, that fulfilled its purpose well.

  • @seanosullivan9230
    @seanosullivan9230 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here in Ireland we have a defence force which after the siege of jeadeville In the republic of the Congo in
    1961 decided to never lend soildiers to the UN again but only supplies and the only reason we're going to have to use the defence force is if anyone decides to invade us

  • @somecoolassassin6779
    @somecoolassassin6779 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You know what would be so cool if the sith troopers in episode 9 turn out to be the last remnants of 501st legion

  • @ArmouredProductions
    @ArmouredProductions 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Felt bad for captain Canady, they should have listened to him, he knew what he was doing.

  • @Inky_Inc
    @Inky_Inc 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cannady was right to try an scramble fighters cause he knows that even 1 lone x-wing can’t be underestimated or else something like the Death Star happens again

  • @IMPERIALPTY210
    @IMPERIALPTY210 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The rank insignia of the first order is almost indecipherable. I want my Empire back.

  • @psn.malgus
    @psn.malgus 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:07 This guy gets it😊

  • @neofulcrum5013
    @neofulcrum5013 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope so

  • @TimeForBreak
    @TimeForBreak 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Disney has to make a spin-off about Captain Canady

  • @christophermills7693
    @christophermills7693 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But... what about those people who just have to do it the hard way???

  • @NjK601
    @NjK601 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I discussed this once with a history teacher who agreed with me, Disney is basically following many an alt WW2 timeline, Nazis rise to power form a weak Republic, go on to expand then are slowly driven back and finally exit the stage after a grand battle (Berlin/Jakku) only to return years later from The Unknown Regions in full force (Antarctica/Argentina/Space) so we have to figure out how Snoke and Kylo work into that, is Kylo like.. space Hitlers grandson who took back the reigns of power?

  • @DeathBYDesign666
    @DeathBYDesign666 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah like Hux decision to attack the resistance base first instead of the most obvious target like the fleeing ships. Strategy is obviously not a strong suit of the new guard.

  • @jamoecw
    @jamoecw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    yes their ships are so much better that now they can be taken out with a standard hyperdrive. how awesome are those improvements, eh?

    • @mylesmcarthur642
      @mylesmcarthur642 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      A hyperdrive jump attack is basically like the firing of the death star super-laser, it has low accuracy, but high power.

    • @jamoecw
      @jamoecw 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      well if you look at the original movies they slow down or even stop before jumping to hyperspace. this is indicative of jumping into a different 'plane of existence' called hyperspace which is connected gravitationally. this means that jumping to hyperspace requires extreme close proximity to your target in order to use the hyperdrive to crash into them. and so it would most likely be very low power, low accuracy.
      well a lot of legends and other references has the hyperdrive get the ship up to light speed before entering hyperspace. so if we operate of of this instead, then yes it would be high power, though not so much low accuarcy as you can point your ship exactly where you want to hit. of course this means that the original movie is pointless, as the power of the death star is weaker than a cheap freighter filled with dirt going kamikaze. a single fighter could kamikaze the death star and take it out. both of these strategies could be done with autopilot, and thus you don't even need to sacrifice a droid. so the whole plot of the original movie becomes very silly. of course if we look at the space battle over the moon of endor (episode 6) we can see that when shields are up kamikaze fighters do essentially zero damage. drop the shields and you have the damage you'd expect (the A-Wing into the bridge).
      so at the very least this sort of thing makes the first movie pointless, unless there is a good reason as to why it doesn't work. the last jedi shows us that there is no reason as to why this shouldn't be the standard way to take out big slow targets. this makes the whole space fight thing silly even in the same movie, especially for a fanatical regime that cares little for its pilots like the first order (or empire, or CIS).

  • @RubyMVmistress
    @RubyMVmistress 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We saw the Old Guard did get the last words in Rise of Skywalker. So Old Guard way cooler. If only Tarkin was Alive to show the New guard whats up.

  • @KrypticElement
    @KrypticElement 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    FOR THE REPUBLIC

    • @The_Boomer_
      @The_Boomer_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      FOR THE CHANCELLOR

    • @MR-wh6ji
      @MR-wh6ji 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      For our unfailable Führer Angela Merkel

    • @scouthux9470
      @scouthux9470 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fack youre house and youre country!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @abrandenburg10
      @abrandenburg10 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They've sent in the supers

    • @MichaelM28
      @MichaelM28 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      FUCK THE REPUBLIC!

  • @360bandman
    @360bandman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would have been cool if the 1st order solider in the middle was half 1st order half storm trooper

  • @FJDurex
    @FJDurex 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still can't look at Peavey without seeing Eddie from Bottom