Kawasaki KZ1300 | Does The Big Z Sounds Better Than CBX?
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- The Kawasaki KZ1300 is one of few production motorcycles to feature an inline-six engine. This motorcycle is often overshadowed by the Honda CBX. But is it a better motorcycle than CBX?
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I once walked into a garage and saw an old Z.. I said I want to buy it. The owner said "you wish". That was the bike of his youth, he was just gonna keep it forever.
With a 6 into 1 exhaust the CBX sounds better at higher revs than anything else I can think of on the road
After listening to numerous videos and comparing to my 79 CBX with DG 6 into 1 I have to agree. Would still like to have a KZ1300 to go with it though.
I’m a Kawasaki guy, but, with 12 more valves, the CBX makes a more pleasing song at full throttle.
The CBX simply had the "X" factor. Not a better bike, but did you ever hear the exhaust note of a high speed pass from a CBX!?
Yep, it sounds like a V8 F1 car.
@@RevvingHeart more like V12
@@MrChevrolet94 Yep , and the Kwakka sounds like a Maserati V6
Honda had a far superior sound to it . Especially with aftermarket exhaust pipes. It truly sounded like an F1 racing car . Plus the Honda was a better built bike.
There's something very satisfying when riding your CBX on an interstate, and the guy in the car next to you rolls his window down just to listen. Honda developed an exhaust for the CBX that captured the sound of the F-4 phantom....I wish I could hear THAT!! Other motorcycles are manufactured...Hondas are ENGINEERED!
I rode a Z1300 in the UK back in 1982, at the time I had a Kawsaki Z1000J, it was a fun experience to ride one and I'm for ever grateful to the person who generously let me ride it for some distance, but I can't say beyond the fact it was a 6 cylinder motorcycle and therefore by it's very nature exciting to try, that it really did anything for me, it was a very smooth ride and you could feel the weight, but lacked anything to create excitement. I went away thinking how much more I liked my Z1000J, much tauter handling and a better power delivery for me.
Back in the early 80's when I lived in Dallas I went on a ride with 3 others, one of whom was the Honda dealer from the north side of town. His CBX had a 6 into 1. What a glorious sound, as good as any Ferrari. I've never heard a KZ1300 with a 6 into 1. I guess I'll have to reserve judgement until I hear one in person.
Nicely presented mini-doc on these two iconic machines. I had a CBX, a GPZ1100 and a GS850G - and was tempted to get the 1300 just because it looked so mean. Too old to ride these machines, I now enjoy watching well-made videos - and yours is one of the better ones!
Thanks for watching..
@Bruno Smith hi Bruno, well as you knew both, which one do you prefer and why?
Appreciate your comments
Cheers
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@@ricardojuricic9027 I liked both bikes - for different reasons. The 850 being shaft-driven gave a smoother ride over long distances and we would often do journeys of 1000 miles. The Kawa was more macho and great for shorter, fast runs - particularly around winding country roads. Both bikes are icons in their own right and I do miss those days quite a lot.
My father owned the touring version with full fairings, saddle bags, and a top case. It was the heaviest bike I've ever ridden. Years later, I owned a naked KZ1300 with a great sounding 6-into-1 exhaust system. With lower bars and a GPZ style cafe fairing it looked good too. The weight wasn't terrible once you were rolling but just pushing it out of the garage was tricky because it was so tall and carried it's weight so high up on the bike. I miss the sound but that's about it!
I think the 2 compliment each other. Both having uncorked 6-1 pipes, together they would sing a magnificent song. Unfortunately I cant find that duet on YT.
I owned a 1986 Z-1300-6 with EFI !!
Was one of only a few in Australia
Bought it for $4400 Sold it for $9500
Wow... That turned out to be a great investment.
OMF.!!! Love those big green buggers with a 6-1 header.!!!! Spin to a stop
They sound so good!!!! Kawasaki & Honda’s!! 6 cylinder bikes oh my!!!!
I bought a 1979 KZ1300 A model in the same dark green colour in the spring of 1980 it was slightly used from the BMW dealer. I was living on the west coast in Vancouver BC and the previous owner had bought it new from Abbotsford Kawasaki. Apparently this first owner had a job on Vancouver Island with a 40 mile gravel stretch which the KZ1300 did not do well on. He had traded it in on a Russian copy of a WWII BMW with a sidecar for the gravel. The big KZ seat height was 32 inches standing. You needed to be tall with long legs so you could stop with both feet on the ground (I'm 6 foot 3 inches). There were a few of these 'A' models around on the west coast and all the riders were tall. The Canadian model had no emission equipment compared to American model but all ratings were the same. A wonderful bike in the mountains, didn't like city driving particularly on a hot day and was best on the highway over 70 mph.
Was the guys name Art that you bought it from?
Had the CBX in the late 70s . What a bike it was then.
The Kawi sounds muffled and under cammed compared to the Honda
Personally an H2 Kawasaki two stroke with some nice chambers , blows both of them out of the water 💥
What a beautiful sounding bike, it sounds more like a 6 cylinder car ,probably down to the longer stroke, actually sounds very like a nissan skyline r32.
Keeping in mind that back when these were new, neither was aimed at being either manufacturer's sport bike or race replica. They were big, fast, capable sport touring models.
But they both were intended and loosely hyped to be the fastest thing on two wheels you could buy off the showroom floor in late 1978. The CBX in particular massively upstaged the poor, un-loved workhorse XS11.
@@scottb8175 The big Yamaha was a good bike. I was under age to legally ride on the road back then, but the smaller triple cylinder Yamahas were a nice bike to ride that I liked quite a bit. Good power, with a nice sound, smooth and shaft drive. An older friend stored one in our garage, and when I was 14, I used to ride the thing everywhere! An 850 Midnight Special in the black and gold. Let me tell you, I felt like King S**t riding that around town! It was new at the time. The good old days!
@@hugejohnson5011 I always liked the look and sound of the XS triples, especially the Midnights, but I have to say mechanically they weren't very good or well designed. Ever had a clutch or final drive apart on one? What an ass-backward, weird and awkward design. The whole engine was like that, too. Complexity for no good reason, with many more and strange parts than needed to get the job done, IMO. Even more so than the infamous Honda CBX or Kawasaki z1300. Kawasaki and Suzuki's 750 4's had way fewer, simpler, and better engineered parts than the XS 3's. And, even for the era, the triples were definitely on the overweight and slow side. I recently had a mint (appearing) candy red 78 XS750 Special in my shop. Unfortunately, it had overheated and spun a rod bearing. With both new and used-but-useable spare parts being practically non-existent for the XS750, 850, and even the 1100 (the 1100 was in production until at least 1985), the owner had no real economical alternative but to part it out and scrap what was left over......
Beautiful bike and sounds great! 🔥
sounds like a supra and for good reason(both inline 6)...i love it!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing 👍
Remember when these bikes both came out ,great times indeed for bike enthusiasts.
The sound of an engine revving when a vehicle is parked gets old for me after about 10 seconds. The real sound of interest is heard when ripping through gears under a load such as wheels on the road or on a dynamometer.
Agreed. The engine note changes dramatically when it's under load. Revving in neutral is so ho-hum yawn.
I once had a wicked Z1300 , because this one was bad to the bone ... and I had enough brains in my youth to sell it and make a profit , this one was bored out to 1498 cc and had a cam along with a hair dryer attached for good measure too , yep a Russ Collins turbo . Had an APW fork brace , which helped but , with stock brakes and std frame , It went like stink , wheelied for no reason at all apart from because it could , had no brakes and , with all that power , even less handling , but man it was fun , I jumped off the merry go round before I fell off , thats why I am still alive today !
Allen Millyard could make a Kawasaki KZ1950 8 cylinder with a hacksaw and metal lathe.
Both bikes sound amazing! I would love to own one, just for the sound experience!
I had a KZ 1300, and I bought it mainly because of that 6 pot sound, mine had 6 into 1 exhaust, sounded great!
The Kwakka sounds like a Maserati V6 but the Honda sounds like a Ferrari Dino. Give me the Ferrari scream any time
I had A red 82 CBX. The sound is awesome. Handling, not. The looks, Stunning. I have an 82 Suzuki GSX 750 E now.. It handles far better than the CBX or any other Honda I've owned. The 400 supersport I won't include. But comparing Any other 750 I've owned, Yamaha, Kawasaki, or Honda. This bike was overlooked by me in 82. But I'm grateful I came across it. I was looking for a Honda, then the Suzuki appeared. I'm still impressed at how smooth it is. My hands don't fall asleep, requiring an unwanted stop. It's underated by most reviewers now, & it's price. . Then again they've never ridden one.
4:05 that tone sounds so similar to the 1990's Renault F1 motors.
Loved my old z1300 21 yrs old and riding a big zed, had to be a gymnast to get it to handle but if you were brave and put the work in you could raise a few eyebrows, spinning the tyre out of corners. It was incredibly stable at high speed. You could sit at near top speed in top gear and be nowhere near the red line up hill it didn't matter.
That Kawasaki sounds killer!
To each their own, but I think the CBX has a slightly better sounding exhaust because it revs thousands higher than the z1300. I've revved a CBX to 14,000 rpm (accidentally - long explanation, but I was distracted) and it lived on. I very much doubt any stock z1300 could survive over 11,000. My pick of best sounding multi-cylinder bikes is probably a tie between the CBX, the Aprilia V-4, and the cross plain R1. Of course, this is coming from someone who likes the sound of Honda's early V-4's, too.
EXCELLENT post. Certain older motoGP soundz mebby tops. Personal best Yamaha dragster on NitroMethaen
Beautiful sound
Damn that kwaka sounds amazing
Awesome sound
Music to my ears!
Back in days çops wood try keep up 😊
It should be noted that the Kawasaki’s three carburetors were a disaster. They employed cast in passages inside the carburetor that became clogged with fuel deposits and impacted the control of idle and slow speed jetting causing the bike to be near unridable in some cases. The older the bike became the worse the condition became. I spent many long weekends trying to get it right for one owner and just couldn’t solve the problems. Finally letting the carb bodies sit in a parts ultrasonic cleaning bath with diesel fuel partially fixed the issue temporarily. Eventually Kawasaki solved the issue with later models using fuel injection. This was in the touring model with full fairing.
Beast of a machine
I recall seeing one of these Kawasaki's visibly bending the front forks under breaking.
Ouch...
i had both back in the day i had one of the first z1300 with poor oil control rings blasted it down to the bol-dor the way to ride it on big roads was to once it top get down low over the tank with your feet on the rear pegs same on the cbx neither handled well on there cross ply tyres.
How about Kawasaki KZ1000 police bikes four stroke cylinder ?
I did not like the shaft drive on the KZ 1300. It was nice and clean and easy to deal with on a day-to-day basis but I did not like the handling characteristics of the shaft. Lots of fork flex in the fast sweepers
I had a gpz1100 with a kerker header. Another amazing sounding machine with baffle out but handling was zero.
I had both . The Kawa KZ1300 in every aspect was a much better bike than the Honda CBX
I think quality is an aspect you did not evaluate.
Is the in-line-6 motor in the ZN1300A Voyager the same as in the KZ1300?
Yes it has the same engine with a bit more power; 130bhp I guess..
From the days when more cylinders = more better
When You talk about more technically advanced, the CBX was light-years ahead of the BIG TURD Kawi, it, for the most part, was a Touring machine, the CBX has a race bred engine derived from a real life race bred motorcycle, the CBX would run circles around that 1300 Kawi any way ya wanted to race. To say because the Kawi was water cooled made it more advanced, is like saying so is a GoldWing!!
The 1300s were a very weak build, not standing up to race like abuse, and quite often, the engines had lower end breaking issues. I was well into Motorcycling during this heyday of Beautiful Bikes, the Kawasaki was not even in the same realm as the Honda CBX..
That said, all of the manufacturers built some beautiful great performing bikes, but none were, and most likely ever will be the Advanced Masterpiece that the Honda CBX was in its day...
Compare both with standard pipes, and the Z1300 sounds better than the CBX.
But.. with six into ones fitted the Z1300 still sounds better ! More cc's and more hp's are the deal, right ?
O cara botou uma baú numa moto 1200cc, é muito tiozão mesmo.
Both sounded good as well as the kz1100 but the cbx had a far superior sound I think.
definitely
z1. .900 and 1000 mad max model 4 cylinder sounds great. But CB1000F 1981/82 HOnda orgasmic.
And CBX is wonderfully but sounds as a car.not as a motorcylcle.
@@raymundogt2634 True.
No contest.. CBX
KZ sounds like a Triumph triple.
I’ve rode a CBX and it nice but I got the V65 it was faster. That was the early 2000s.
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Better looking too
It definitely sounds like a 2JZ
and i thought i was the only one😃😃
@@JB-zp5fb I would definitely choose this as a daily driver not that the cbx is horrible but i would choose this one
A time when japan said how big of a engine can we put in and they did.
Where was the CBX? Thought this was a comparison.
is this an kwak commercial?
CBX ever, no doubt!
The Yamaha XS 1100 was the first 100 hp motor from Japan.
Quoted 95hp (at the crank) so nowhere near 100hp
@@ekspatriat But the XS11 had way more off-idle torque than either the CBX or the z1300. Put all three side by side in top gear at 40 mph and nail the throttles, and the CBX would be last, the z1300 only a bike length or so ahead of it, and the XS11 would be 4 or 5 bike lengths ahead of the z1300 in the first 5 seconds...Yes, real world results back in the day....(Then the GS1150E, 1100 Sabre, and V-Max showed up and torque-kicked all our asses to Mars).
@@scottb8175 Yes roll-ons in top are useless as a real life situation...no on does it in real life (on the road)....that is why gear levers and clutches exist!...knock it down a couple and off you go!
@@ekspatriat Well, I've been on dozens of 1000+ cc bikes since 83, and that might be fine if you are the one to get the low gear drop on the unsuspecting whoever you are trying to leave in the dust. Or if you always ride around only in first or second gear like the imbeciles on 600 sport bikes constantly bouncing off the rev limiters and getting pulled over by police.
But time spent with the clutch pulled in, throttle backed off, or the transmission slopping between gears - is time wasted slowing down, not accelerating. A quick shifter would help a bit, maybe, but is out of character for an old Cogger 80's superbike, IMO.....
I know as fact - I've been caught many times on fast top end power biased bikes with pitiful mid-range and low end (like the CBX, GPz1100 DFI Uni-Trak, YZR600, etc.) relaxing one or two gears too tall when someone else on a less powerful but higher torque bike (like the early VF750 V-4 and KZ750L3) nails the gas the same or one gear lower than me and leaves me for dead. Then I'm stomping down on the shifter two or three times before I can get on the throttle. By the time I've fanned the clutch, dropped down the gears, and got on the gas, it's already over and they are gone....
With old bikes that have mountains of torque anytime the tach is above 900 rpm (like my big FJ and GS1150E - from idle to redline the GS positively stomps the sixes and all inline fours of the era except the 86 FJ1200 ), even casually slogging along in top gear, just twist the right grip and hang on....
No-way no-how is anything like a DFI GPz1100 or CBX going to catch up no matter how fast they stomp down gears.
Then there were the V-Max, Magna, and Sabre (yes, I've ridden all three). The GS and FJ pulled hard in a roll-on. The V-Max, Magna, and Sabre were another level above them. Opening the throttle stretched your arms, flattened your eyeballs, and left traffic looking like it was going backwards in the mirrors - any rpm, any gear.
@@scottb8175 Mate you are dreaming in the past.......stretched your arms flattened your eyeballes ...those power and torques dreams are long gone. The bikes you quote are pussies now...SO now you may be terrified by what is available. AND why is an 600 an imbecile when you are just doing the same with lower revs and gears?
Well... Yes!
Cbx is like a 600 and the 1300 is like a modern 1000
Lástima que no se traduzca al español. Yo tuve esa moto y tengo excelentes recuerdos. 2:22
Compare a Benelli Sei, CBX and KZ1300, they all have different firing orders and different exhaust notes. The Benelli at 16,000 RPM is BY FAR the sexiest as the CBX nor KZ will reach 11,000, but not one person in ten thousand has HEARD a Benelli while CBX and KZ13's are common as rats! I had the great fortune to ride all of these bikes, as well as a Mike Hailwood Edition Ducati and many other of their contemporaries. Being short of leg, some were a challenge, but for a great SPORT bike, the MH Ducati and a twisty road are great! I prefered a Guzzi to a BMW R-90, and two-up the 1200 Aspencade was the best way to cover Interstate on two wheels made! The late '70's early '80's was great time for cycles and less for poseurs!
A Benelli sei revving to 16,000....lol
So what did it make for power??? All I saw were the words "so", and "oh", as the rear wheel did its best Barney impersonation of "The wheel of the bike goes round and round!!" Let's see the NUMBERS!!!!
It made 125 bhp @ 8000 rpm and 117.2 Nm @ 6500 rpm. I think I mentioned these figures at 1:43.
My triumph speed triple had more power and only three cylinders 😅
And sounded fantastic also it was made in England 😅😅😅
have you still got it, 150 or 160, i always fancied the hurricane
@@twmlloyd5257 naa but it was 150 😁
Had a 1300.
well, the Z sounds more like a trumpet. Not bad with this exhaust. But compared to the CBX, clearly less exciting. Sorry, Kawa-Guys
The cbx sounds like an F1 car the kz sounds like a ferrari F40
All those old bikes handled badly and had poor brakes, some better than others but nothing near what came in the next decades. But... the looks, engines and sound was just better then (that's objective of course).
You mention one is a copy, they both are a copy Benelli had the 900 Sei already on the road in 1973 with proper brakes..
only Honda bro❤
I have a 79 CBX with 6 into 1 pipe. Someone donate a KZ 1300 and I'll do a comparison.
CBx sound is unique
Cbx best sounding bike ever case closed !
J'ai hu une kawasaki sait quelle heure chose
CBX sounds better and looks better. Hands down!
Could someone please translate the narration into English?
min 4...it does sounds better than the cbx
no it doesnt sounds better but is a better and more durable machine ...obviously both with a 6 to 1 exhaust pipe
I once had a fool on Z1300 Kaw say that his bike was faster than my CBR 1100 XX Blackbird.... I said to him that I would give him a 10-bike-length headstart over a mile run.. I overtook him by the time I hit 3rd gear 😂😂😂😂
So , you gave him a 25 metre head start & it took you all the way to 3rd gear to catch the Z1300 with your 160 HP Race Bike passing at a 100 Mph ; nothing to brag about. If the two were in a 1,000 Mile Endurance race - my money would be on the Z1300...
@@1arritechno LMAO 🤣 You obviously don't ride bike calling a blackbird a race bike 😂 Its always fun putting someone down who's bragging about his bike being faster than someone else's bike when in reality It isn't.. It's funny you mentioned you choosing the reliability of the Kawasaki over the Honda… I did a 5,000 Europe tour with a friend who rode a Kawasaki ZZR 1100 and that thing broke down more times than Zsa Zsa Gabor's marriages 😂
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No. The Big Z does not sound better than the CBX. I reckon Honda's CBX is more stylish. The Z1300 looks like a tank without its shrowd...still awesome though!
The ZX sounds better in my opinion.
Not a comparison biased toward kawie.
CBX everytime..
Cbx sound is superior in my opinion
Kawasaki hands down 100% better sounding than the Honda CBX
lebih bagus ini dari pada CBX , anda nglawak
The 1300....the only motorcycle to hold 6 quarts of oil.😂😂
The cbx with a 6 into 1 Yoshi you will not get a better sounding bike ever
Close but no cigar ...as i lived it ..unlike all of you who can only dream it
I have trouble understanding what this person is saying!
The proof is in the pudding...see how many Zeds are still running nowadays compared to the under powered and hopelessly over rated cbx...sorry honda boys...the Big Zed was always king...salute to Kawasaki engineering...
IMO - Nah, running z1300's and Voyager 1300's are even more rare than the CBX now. I'm sure Kawasaki produced fewer z1300's than Honda built CBX's. But neither sold very well. The big four cylinder z's (900, 1000, 1100) are the longest lived and most numerous of the 70's - 80's superbike era still in running condition, IMO. They were in production from 1973 to about 2003 in one form or another - many more of those were made for way many more years than either the CBX or z1300. Another problem is parts for thez1300 and CBX are mostly discontinued. Keeping either running is just getting extremely difficult and expensive with every passing year.
@@scottb8175 I don't think any of the six cylinder models sold particularly well, but would agree the Z1300 is probably the most rare based on how many I've ever seen in person, or for sale. Sales were limited mainly because they weren't that good, for all the extra expense compared to the 4 cylinder offerings of the time. Looking back 40+ years later the rarity and novelty value combine to make them much more appealing. They are a much different proposition too as a "toy" for a collector in 2022 than they were as something used for regular transport, as they were in their time. As you state the parts situation is now a problem when compared to other bikes of the era. I have a 78 Kawasaki Z1000A2 and could easily buy every part needed to build another one, between all the NOS parts available, used parts and the huge market in pattern parts.
1300 120hp/314kg wet = 0.382hp/kg cbx 105hp/272kg wet = 0.386hp/kg slight advantage to Honda so 'underpowered'?????? Also the CBX is beautiful...the Kawa is just slabby pig ugly!
@@ekspatriat Thats distespectful kind sir...the Zed 13 range also outlasted the cbx til '89...and how couls a 1000 cc ever compare to a 1300...like a Gti to a V8...happy dreamland my china...
@@Teacher-lj6in Well I did make a valid point to 'underpowered' and 99% will agree the CBX looks far better. As for a longer production life. the Trabant was produced for 33 years and that was always a croc of crap.
Nothing past or present sounds like a CBX
Certanly NO ! CBX best Forever and Ever
CBX ist symphony. Z is Heavy Metal 🎉❤
Forever and Ever..what are you 6?😂
CBX sounds far away better than this.
No. CBX wins with 6-1 exhaust. Sounds like a 80ies F1 V12.
Honda sounds better..
Answer: No, it doesn't.