Nope, he would never. I recall him saying. He Wana keep his regular job to keep discipline. Otherwise he would unleash on TH-cam in ways he don't Want to. Lol
Would like to see a Performance/Quality - Cost chart for all the wheels and frames you have experience with. A standalone video if you can find the time. A little more in depth on the non-standard bearing for this wheel would be great too. Size, brand, cost and availability. Wouldn't want a wheel with bearings impossible to source. Thanks!!! Great channel.
What a coincidence… just got the Exar DB58 mounted yesterday morning and here you are posting a review! Just made my purchase validated! Thanks for that
I reviewed the EXAR DB58 Pro Disc Brake wheels on my channel. Can confirm the freehub is on the quiet side (which is a nice change of pace) and very smooth. Great value overall for the price. One negative however is apparently I must have been one of their "beta testers" because I was initially sent a set a pre-production end caps that cause severe brake rub. The end caps were out of spec/tolerance. Thankfully Magene sorted me out very quickly and shipped me the new "production" end caps overnight. For an everyday wheel, I give them a thumbs up.
Just got in a set of these Magene Exar wheels, the 58mm "Pro" version as suggested. Northern Florida terrain, so relatively flat. The bigger 58mm depth comes in Non-Asymmetric. These are my 1st set of carbon wheels and replaced some old alloy 2002 Mavic Ksyrium Elites that were bought second hand. The Mavic's could not accept a tire size bigger than 25mm since they only had a 13mm internal width. Mounting 28mm GP5000's was no easy task on these Exar wheels and I did have to adjust the brakes to accommodate both a wider rim and tire (105 rim brakes). Time to put some miles on them and see what all the hype if about. Thanks for reviewing all of these rim variants.
As far as I know, the main purpose for the asymetric rim design in the rear is (if only in part) to compensate for spoke tension imbalance due to the flange offset.
Thanks for these reviews and the chart. Partially on your Drive 40v review I put a set of Drive 50v ultralights on my ‘13 Allez Race rebuild, mainly because they were one of the few rim sets that would follow the 105 rule (as little as it may matter) with 28 tubeless. Conti 5k’s at 64psi and my 89kg self feel like a 78 Cadillac over the lumpy costal roads and sand washouts where I’m at. Crosswind sailing is a thing but so far hasn’t proved difficult to easily counter. Ultegra 6800 brakes just barely fit without having to shave down the supplied pads.
The asymmetric rear rim is known by Ritchey and DTSwiss already, and possibly some others. As I understood it, the reason is not aerodynamic, but rather to try and get a more similar spoke angle on both hub sides, as the cassette takes up a lot of space on the drive side. Hub manufacturers try to counteract this by raising the drive side flange, and the off-set or asymmetric rim will help a bit more. Only with the same spoke angle left and right, the spoke tension left and right can be the same, resulting in a stiffer wheel overall.
Great review! Score 1 for proper/affordable deep section wheels! The 15267 bearings are the same ones that Easton uses in the R4SL hubs. Did I just replace mine? Yup! Readily available. Love the brake track, I had seen that same design on the ELiteWheels.
@Hambini , top work on the wheels , my danger area concern is with the cockpit . It would be great to see a Chinese carbon handlebar range review, I know if it’s too cheap it’s probably gonna be shite , or are the Chinese on top . 😅
1:12 - assymetrical wheel build - in these wheels - twice as many spokes drive side - is to compensate for spoke tension differential and thus make a structurally sounder wheel. It is a good thing.
I think you missed the lacing of the rear wheel. This means the spoke on each side of the wheel are close to equal. For more phically endowed heavier riders this produces a reliable wheel. Plus it looks like a two to one spoking. 11 speed hub normally has a 2.5 time spoke tension difference from drive to no drive. Breaking no drive for more gifted bodies.
Aside of lateral stiffness, a very big advantage of assymetric rim is much better spoke tension balance of the two sides! Most symetric rimmed rear (rim brake) wheels have around 50% tension for the non drive side while properly dished. Since most alloy rims have a maximum static spoke tension limit of 120kfg and carbon ones usually 130kgf, this makes the NDS to 60-65kfg. When i build wheels, i consider 60kgf too low since the wheel will face many issues in that domain (most obvious is spoke aging on J bends or spoke turning for straight pull).
I've ridden the Hyper 50 and 65. Local terrain around here is flat to rolling, wind is relatively low. I'd say the guys weighing under 150 lbs will like the Hyper 50, bigger guys over 180 lbs will like Hyper 65. However, when it comes to wind stability at when traveling at speed above 25 mph, I'd say the Reynolds 65 Aero (rim brake) is even more stable than the Hyper 50. Something about the Reynolds 65 rim shape (NACA?) that gives is great stability whe the speed is high.
@@adamweb I am not a mechanical engineer, so I don't understand why more teeth would produce a louder sound. I would think it would be quite the opposite. My uneducated guess is that noise would be more related to pawl size and number, and the strength of the springs.
Love the idea of this company, that they are built (thus far) on having high tolerances. Cant wait to see when they diversify their product line. I like when you can order to match your bike. Black wheels, black hubs, black nipples are limiting in life. I elected for colour. Ideally red nipples would be amazing (they look nice but red anodized aluminium kind of fails the longevity test). Hopefully styling is a possibility down the road, even just the simple choices in life.
i love the magene products and i saw this a few months ago and was thinking buying this or the elite drive. guess ill go with this. i already got most of my computer components from them, im excited to buy this wheel.
Thanks. I bought the winspace 2020 50mm on your recommendation. I note you say best at 23mm tyre, which lets be honest most people don't use these days. I'd love to know the difference at 25mm and if it's worth getting the 2023 model if you do run 25mm
You are not racing, probably not at a high level.. Go with comfort.. Also bigger tyre has less rolling resistance at lower pressure and more comfort. My wheels are aero designed around 25mm but I ride 28mm as the RR will have a bigger Gain in W than a little more Aero would.
Excellent video as always! I would add a comment about the Bontrager wheels. More expensive?-yes, better?-I’m not so convinced. I have an admittedly cheaper grade of Aeolus wheels, Comp 5 which are aluminum wheels with carbon covers to 50mm, but the back wheel has been a disaster. I have replaced half of the spokes, and now most recently the rim literally split in the aluminum along the spoke nipple hole longitudinally along the wheel with very minimal tension. These are from a 2018 Madone. Of course the shop writes off broken spokes as crap happens but to me when they all break at the j-bend and it’s half or more of the spokes, I think it’s a quality issue. Front wheel, however, has been perfect. Maybe I got a dud. When they work, they are good but heavy.
Ok, so here's the real-world question. We get by now that these new 'Chinese' brands are great value for money. However, if the more established brands were priced roughly the same, which option is better? The reason I ask is as I see it, I have the choice between buying a 'western' brand of wheels at a discount from full RRP through the Cycle to Work scheme OR paying roughly full retail (albeit lower to begin with, and many with a 10% discount code easily available) from companies like Winspace, FarSports, Magene or Elite for whom the Cycle Scheme doesn't apply.
I would love for you to tear apart some HED wheels. I've always had good experiences with mine but would love to know where they stack up. Im talking HED Jets
Wasn’t clear if just the freehub had the odd sized bearing or the axle bearings too ? My friend bought some handmade Zed wheels from Barnsley (55s ?) with rim braking, first outing on a very hot day the front rim warped coming down a long steep hairpin road in North Wales, once it started pressing the pads the heat just kept building up. He’s hoping they will put on a new rim for him….
The arrival of these companies with products offering more bang for the buck explains why so many traditional manufacturers are going for the higher end market and are abandoning the lower end of it. This also explains the increasing concentration i.e. why so many of these brand name manufacturers now belongs to a single company. Otherwise, they won't be able to compete ! In the next decade, these changes will accelerate and many smaller companies will cease to exist or will be bought. We may even see price wars at some point in some markets or on some items. Don't believe me ? It has already started. Look at the Zwift trainer for example or Magene's Radar. Some companies that are not agile or rely on past accomplishments or establish brand recognition will suffer. Garmin might be one of the victims at some point with dropping market share.
When I heard of Bryton and I thought why should I spend $300 USD for a bike computer with relatively short battery life when the other one runs a lot longer and half the price of Garmin.
@@Reanimator999 are you really going to buy the magine radar over Garmin when they are the same price in the shops (not RRP). I'm tempted because USBC but if anything goes wrong, Garmin are established. Not to forget eBay resale values
Can you actually Perform a Breaktest in the Rain VS Discbreaks? I love Rimbreaks but had very very bad expirience with the during wet/snow/dirt. I use my Bike to commute under every weather condition. There must be a way to finally proof the quality of rimbreaks under harsh weather conditions! I see the Problems with Discbrakes, but they always stopped me when I really needed them to. Rimbreaks don't. I want to be PROOVEN wrong because I'm not ready to risk my live out on the street, whilst cars cross my way.
Slightly unrelated, but watching the UCI world championships from Australia, I'm surprised how few TT riders are using rim brakes - I only spotted a few in the men's under 23 category. If disks cause an additional power loss of 20W, surely that would be enough to make everyone use rim brakes? Are the commercial pressures that high that riders would have to suffer the disk drag penalty?
In one word, sponsors. WT riders (even if riding for their country) will be contracted to ride certain bikes/specs in public events. If the manufacturer is pushing a disc TT bike (and most are, because you can't possibly stop with rim brakes anymore...), then that's what you're riding. Don't look at the equipment the pros choose, because they don't. Go to a Cat 1/A race and look at what those guys are choosing.
@@jdh895 I think you're right, because there was a much higher prevalence of rim brakes in both the womens' and mens' junior TT's. In fact I'd say the majority rode rim brakes.
@Hambini what are your thoughts about Borg DX hubs by TheCycleClinic? I've been thinking for some time about pairing them with LightBicycle 45mm or 55mm rims (32h front&rear, disc brakes).
I thought that there was a wheel brand missing off the graph but the Zipps could have been off the scale and couldn't fit. The graph and analysis could be a standalone series with wheels, hubs, tyres, bottom brackets all getting their own video.
Asymmetric rim design is used to compensate spoke tension balance between drive and no drive side. The holes are drilled with an offset towards the non drive side so that the spoke angle difference between the two sides is not too dissimilar and hence the tensions are closer. When you have too dissimilar tensions on the two sides you can put the wheel out of dish just by inflating the tire. You will probably not notice this because the amount is less than the tolerance of the frame, but it’s there. However any of this wheelset is worth nothing if the nipples are aluminium. No wheel builder worth a penny would ever use alu nipples with carbon rims
Sapim claimed their alu nip has super duper corrosion resistant coating. They have tests that support the claim, and it's believable by most people. However, that test doesn't consider that coating can be scratch off and expose the more vulnerable aluminum just by building the wheel normally.
Hiya. In the graph at the end you rubbish the KPS - presumably because the carbon spokes they used to use broke (& were recalled and replaced). But your review of the KPS said they were really good? On the basis of current product offering, where does KPS actually stand?
Choosing between Zipp NSW 454 or 858 what you would choose for a fast group riding in a flat area (given constraints that disc brakes are must, and cost not considered)?
more deep more aerodynamic, all else equal. Be careful of crosswinds. The ribbed profile provides negligible benefit, if any at all. Swissside wheels will likely perform better overall for a given depth.
Hi. I'm a big guy. Most wheels, frames, etc. are designed for a max. system wheight of 110/120kg. Do you think it's a problem to ride these components with a system wheight of 130/140kg? On steel frames and alloy wheels i never had a problem but I wonder if carbon parts can handle this additional wheight. Thanks
Some are rated for the weight, others are not. Manufacturer will likely give you the spec if asked. But reasonably you have to think why you'd want carbon parts that maybe save you 1-2 kg over the weight of the entire bicycle but then have less resistance to wear over cheaper/heavier/sturdier parts.
Their power metres got good reviews from accounts on here, I have a cadence sensor from that is just as good as my polar one, and I can change the battery
I'm curious how most of these new companies are using their wheels as flag ship products. They are breaking into the space and coming in with a low price and they will not be able to maintain this quality for this price as time increases. Eventually the price goes up or the quality gives. In that today, they are built to high standard for a low price point yet tomorrow, outside of inflation, this price will become impossible. I do want Magene Technology / Qingdao Magene Intelligence Technology Co to succeed and have market share. Yet how long is this model going to be sustainable for?
I watch every video, in hope of learning something new and I did. Came to know about the importance of assymeterical wheel and oh boy that 6 inch joke came out of nowhere and I had the same laugh as yours. Gladly mine is exacy 6 inch deep. Perhaps your scale would measure it more 🤪
I’ve got a mountain bike with all Shimano XT stuff how come my free wheel is absolutely silent when I hear some race bikes that noisier than a V8 Mustang
Loud road hub sounds like a gimmick. Just like how Harley Davidson motorcycles have that loud throttle noise which has nothing to do with overall performance.
Sounds to me grooved brake tracks are the new black (tech) Better sell all your disc brake bikes and buy rim to get grooved wheels that are 20% more compliant, 10% faster and 200% more stiffer, like 6 inch puddles. I am not providing tech to support this, I am the bicycle industry, just trust me! 👍🤣
Some companies have realized that there is a residual but easy to conquer market that will provide them with a better brand recognition. The hurdles are far less difficult to overcome considering the point where the technologies now are. What were the two major objections to the carbon rim brake wheels ? Overheating and awful braking in the rain. I don't know about overheating but it seems like the braking issue is solved.
Bought a set of power meter cranks from Magene. They never worked, they would not pay for shipping and would not accept just the left side and fix it. And it took literally months of going back and forth with their customer service to get to that point. I kept sending them pictures that that said weren’t clear enough even though they were much clearer than the examples they had sent me. They required me to ship both. Figuring the cost of shipping then back to China, I just decided to not deal with it. Would never buy from them again.
The hubs are definitely impressive and makes me think that not even the big dog in the business - Nova Tech - would have made them. I think, based on what you said in the video, is that Magene either developed and manufactured the hubs on their own, or they just did all the development and spec then had an outside vendor - not necessarily Nova Tech or another hub/wheel maker - to do the actual manufacturing. Because those hubs look much better than the regular shite that the usual players squirt out their anuses. Otherwise, it looks like a quality product that I'd be interested in - if I woke up drunk and decided that carbon wheels were worth anything. Keep up the good work! :)
All these Chinese brands are smashing it because of DTC marketing. Selling directly to the consumer cuts out the expensive retailing markup and inefficiencies of bike shops holding on to expensive inventory at a risk of not being able to sell it fast enough. Pro sponsorship is no longer that effective for marketing bikes because someone who is spending over $5k for a bike is able to watch channels like these. They understand that this riders are paid to ride those big brands which are it of better quality.
This bike was really easy to assemble th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
it actually (on slo-mo vid) looked more like she slipped from big ring to small, lost control and smashed the front wheel to smithereens when she hit the curb.
well a few days ago in china a guy bought disc brake version of these wheelset, pumped the tyres to 120psi, and after a few mins of riding rear rim exploded. its on china version tiktok
Hambini, r u going full time YT? ;)
I don't think so. I do it for the engineering. I don't care so much for the bikes.
@@Hambini keep'em comin ;)
Nope, he would never. I recall him saying. He Wana keep his regular job to keep discipline. Otherwise he would unleash on TH-cam in ways he don't Want to. Lol
@@Hambini You care about the bikes HAMBONI.
Why bikes ?
I like how you continue to review rim brake wheel sets!
Rim grinder brake, Hahaha what a joke
Yes and me and it makes sense, disc brakes are not required on a road bike, just marketing bulls*t and inferior in many ways.
Would like to see a Performance/Quality - Cost chart for all the wheels and frames you have experience with. A standalone video if you can find the time. A little more in depth on the non-standard bearing for this wheel would be great too. Size, brand, cost and availability. Wouldn't want a wheel with bearings impossible to source. Thanks!!! Great channel.
Only 6" deep!!! 😁
Nice to see more wheel manufacturers taking notice of experts and making some quality products at affordable prices... 👍
What a coincidence… just got the Exar DB58 mounted yesterday morning and here you are posting a review! Just made my purchase validated! Thanks for that
I reviewed the EXAR DB58 Pro Disc Brake wheels on my channel. Can confirm the freehub is on the quiet side (which is a nice change of pace) and very smooth. Great value overall for the price. One negative however is apparently I must have been one of their "beta testers" because I was initially sent a set a pre-production end caps that cause severe brake rub. The end caps were out of spec/tolerance. Thankfully Magene sorted me out very quickly and shipped me the new "production" end caps overnight. For an everyday wheel, I give them a thumbs up.
Just got in a set of these Magene Exar wheels, the 58mm "Pro" version as suggested. Northern Florida terrain, so relatively flat. The bigger 58mm depth comes in Non-Asymmetric. These are my 1st set of carbon wheels and replaced some old alloy 2002 Mavic Ksyrium Elites that were bought second hand. The Mavic's could not accept a tire size bigger than 25mm since they only had a 13mm internal width. Mounting 28mm GP5000's was no easy task on these Exar wheels and I did have to adjust the brakes to accommodate both a wider rim and tire (105 rim brakes). Time to put some miles on them and see what all the hype if about. Thanks for reviewing all of these rim variants.
As far as I know, the main purpose for the asymetric rim design in the rear is (if only in part) to compensate for spoke tension imbalance due to the flange offset.
Yes! This is what I want. Technical but easy to understand. GREAT VIDEO!!!
Thanks for another great video. Nice to see another reason why we don’t need disc brakes thanks to simple relief on the rim.
Congratz on your sponsorships:) The 5yo is growing up
Thanks for these reviews and the chart. Partially on your Drive 40v review I put a set of Drive 50v ultralights on my ‘13 Allez Race rebuild, mainly because they were one of the few rim sets that would follow the 105 rule (as little as it may matter) with 28 tubeless. Conti 5k’s at 64psi and my 89kg self feel like a 78 Cadillac over the lumpy costal roads and sand washouts where I’m at. Crosswind sailing is a thing but so far hasn’t proved difficult to easily counter. Ultegra 6800 brakes just barely fit without having to shave down the supplied pads.
The asymmetric rear rim is known by Ritchey and DTSwiss already, and possibly some others.
As I understood it, the reason is not aerodynamic, but rather to try and get a more similar spoke angle on both hub sides, as the cassette takes up a lot of space on the drive side.
Hub manufacturers try to counteract this by raising the drive side flange, and the off-set or asymmetric rim will help a bit more.
Only with the same spoke angle left and right, the spoke tension left and right can be the same, resulting in a stiffer wheel overall.
Only interested in the hairdresser
As usual, you're the man Hambini!
Have you gotten your hands on a set of Winspace HYPER 2023 for testing? I’m interested in how these compare to the 2020 model
They are on the pipeline
Great review! Score 1 for proper/affordable deep section wheels! The 15267 bearings are the same ones that Easton uses in the R4SL hubs. Did I just replace mine? Yup! Readily available. Love the brake track, I had seen that same design on the ELiteWheels.
@Hambini , top work on the wheels , my danger area concern is with the cockpit . It would be great to see a Chinese carbon handlebar range review, I know if it’s too cheap it’s probably gonna be shite , or are the Chinese on top . 😅
My Cockpit is A Chinese exact copy of Enve SES. Perfectly fine and the Pen Is Working.
i love that show thanks Dr Hambini
I really like freehub noise. My fulcrum wheels have a very nice sound
1:12 - assymetrical wheel build - in these wheels - twice as many spokes drive side - is to compensate for spoke tension differential and thus make a structurally sounder wheel. It is a good thing.
I think you missed the lacing of the rear wheel. This means the spoke on each side of the wheel are close to equal. For more phically endowed heavier riders this produces a reliable wheel. Plus it looks like a two to one spoking. 11 speed hub normally has a 2.5 time spoke tension difference from drive to no drive. Breaking no drive for more gifted bodies.
4:15 "I cleaned it"... you did WHAT?!?
Aside of lateral stiffness, a very big advantage of assymetric rim is much better spoke tension balance of the two sides!
Most symetric rimmed rear (rim brake) wheels have around 50% tension for the non drive side while properly dished. Since most alloy rims have a maximum static spoke tension limit of 120kfg and carbon ones usually 130kgf, this makes the NDS to 60-65kfg.
When i build wheels, i consider 60kgf too low since the wheel will face many issues in that domain (most obvious is spoke aging on J bends or spoke turning for straight pull).
A little Surprised to see these are clincher. I've never been able to afford a very nice wheel set like these. Maybe some day. Thanks.
I've ridden the Hyper 50 and 65. Local terrain around here is flat to rolling, wind is relatively low. I'd say the guys weighing under 150 lbs will like the Hyper 50, bigger guys over 180 lbs will like Hyper 65. However, when it comes to wind stability at when traveling at speed above 25 mph, I'd say the Reynolds 65 Aero (rim brake) is even more stable than the Hyper 50. Something about the Reynolds 65 rim shape (NACA?) that gives is great stability whe the speed is high.
I don't understand the appeal of loud freehubs. Is it because loud = expensive? It is nice to see a quieter freehub for a change.
Traditionally louder hubs often meant more teeth and faster engagement but I'm not sure that's true any more with so many quiet options.
@@adamweb I am not a mechanical engineer, so I don't understand why more teeth would produce a louder sound. I would think it would be quite the opposite. My uneducated guess is that noise would be more related to pawl size and number, and the strength of the springs.
Because I like making noise
Yeah I am sick of such appeal as well. I hate the noise my fellow road buddies hubs make. While my cup and cone with Skf balls hardly make any
I have to take my bike on my arms because of the noise when i'm entering or leaving my appartment. I had some complaints in my 6am rides 😅.
"The only thing that was 6 inches deep" fuckin hell, ha! If the engineering thing doesn't work out, stand up comedy has your name on it
Love the idea of this company, that they are built (thus far) on having high tolerances. Cant wait to see when they diversify their product line. I like when you can order to match your bike. Black wheels, black hubs, black nipples are limiting in life.
I elected for colour. Ideally red nipples would be amazing (they look nice but red anodized aluminium kind of fails the longevity test).
Hopefully styling is a possibility down the road, even just the simple choices in life.
i love the magene products and i saw this a few months ago and was thinking buying this or the elite drive. guess ill go with this. i already got most of my computer components from them, im excited to buy this wheel.
Thanks. I bought the winspace 2020 50mm on your recommendation. I note you say best at 23mm tyre, which lets be honest most people don't use these days. I'd love to know the difference at 25mm and if it's worth getting the 2023 model if you do run 25mm
You are not racing, probably not at a high level.. Go with comfort.. Also bigger tyre has less rolling resistance at lower pressure and more comfort. My wheels are aero designed around 25mm but I ride 28mm as the RR will have a bigger Gain in W than a little more Aero would.
Excellent video as always! I would add a comment about the Bontrager wheels. More expensive?-yes, better?-I’m not so convinced. I have an admittedly cheaper grade of Aeolus wheels, Comp 5 which are aluminum wheels with carbon covers to 50mm, but the back wheel has been a disaster. I have replaced half of the spokes, and now most recently the rim literally split in the aluminum along the spoke nipple hole longitudinally along the wheel with very minimal tension. These are from a 2018 Madone. Of course the shop writes off broken spokes as crap happens but to me when they all break at the j-bend and it’s half or more of the spokes, I think it’s a quality issue. Front wheel, however, has been perfect. Maybe I got a dud. When they work, they are good but heavy.
Ok, so here's the real-world question. We get by now that these new 'Chinese' brands are great value for money. However, if the more established brands were priced roughly the same, which option is better? The reason I ask is as I see it, I have the choice between buying a 'western' brand of wheels at a discount from full RRP through the Cycle to Work scheme OR paying roughly full retail (albeit lower to begin with, and many with a 10% discount code easily available) from companies like Winspace, FarSports, Magene or Elite for whom the Cycle Scheme doesn't apply.
I would love for you to tear apart some HED wheels. I've always had good experiences with mine but would love to know where they stack up. Im talking HED Jets
Ye same here, had HED wheels for a while jet 6,s to be exact!
It's all nonsense man
Wasn’t clear if just the freehub had the odd sized bearing or the axle bearings too ?
My friend bought some handmade Zed wheels from Barnsley (55s ?) with rim braking, first outing on a very hot day the front rim warped coming down a long steep hairpin road in North Wales, once it started pressing the pads the heat just kept building up. He’s hoping they will put on a new rim for him….
If the paws are wide, doesn't that mean the driveside bearing is pushed further inboard, which will affect the bracing angle of the bearing?
Can you please do a video showing how newer, wider wheels are slower? Ty 😚
The arrival of these companies with products offering more bang for the buck explains why so many traditional manufacturers are going for the higher end market and are abandoning the lower end of it. This also explains the increasing concentration i.e. why so many of these brand name manufacturers now belongs to a single company. Otherwise, they won't be able to compete !
In the next decade, these changes will accelerate and many smaller companies will cease to exist or will be bought.
We may even see price wars at some point in some markets or on some items.
Don't believe me ?
It has already started. Look at the Zwift trainer for example or Magene's Radar.
Some companies that are not agile or rely on past accomplishments or establish brand recognition will suffer.
Garmin might be one of the victims at some point with dropping market share.
When I heard of Bryton and I thought why should I spend $300 USD for a bike computer with relatively short battery life when the other one runs a lot longer and half the price of Garmin.
@@Reanimator999 are you really going to buy the magine radar over Garmin when they are the same price in the shops (not RRP). I'm tempted because USBC but if anything goes wrong, Garmin are established. Not to forget eBay resale values
Can you actually Perform a Breaktest in the Rain VS Discbreaks? I love Rimbreaks but had very very bad expirience with the during wet/snow/dirt. I use my Bike to commute under every weather condition. There must be a way to finally proof the quality of rimbreaks under harsh weather conditions! I see the Problems with Discbrakes, but they always stopped me when I really needed them to. Rimbreaks don't. I want to be PROOVEN wrong because I'm not ready to risk my live out on the street, whilst cars cross my way.
Slightly unrelated, but watching the UCI world championships from Australia, I'm surprised how few TT riders are using rim brakes - I only spotted a few in the men's under 23 category. If disks cause an additional power loss of 20W, surely that would be enough to make everyone use rim brakes? Are the commercial pressures that high that riders would have to suffer the disk drag penalty?
In one word, sponsors. WT riders (even if riding for their country) will be contracted to ride certain bikes/specs in public events. If the manufacturer is pushing a disc TT bike (and most are, because you can't possibly stop with rim brakes anymore...), then that's what you're riding. Don't look at the equipment the pros choose, because they don't. Go to a Cat 1/A race and look at what those guys are choosing.
@@jdh895 I think you're right, because there was a much higher prevalence of rim brakes in both the womens' and mens' junior TT's. In fact I'd say the majority rode rim brakes.
known magene for the comp and sensors..never imagine they into wheels.
I'd like to see a similar review on the 58mm version
@Hambini what are your thoughts about Borg DX hubs by TheCycleClinic? I've been thinking for some time about pairing them with LightBicycle 45mm or 55mm rims (32h front&rear, disc brakes).
not sure why it needs 5 bearings in the rear hub? and I can't really see any design details for it.
Hambini time!!!
I thought that there was a wheel brand missing off the graph but the Zipps could have been off the scale and couldn't fit.
The graph and analysis could be a standalone series with wheels, hubs, tyres, bottom brackets all getting their own video.
SO question is running a 28mm tire going to be at a loss because light bulbing?
Asymmetric rim design is used to compensate spoke tension balance between drive and no drive side. The holes are drilled with an offset towards the non drive side so that the spoke angle difference between the two sides is not too dissimilar and hence the tensions are closer. When you have too dissimilar tensions on the two sides you can put the wheel out of dish just by inflating the tire. You will probably not notice this because the amount is less than the tolerance of the frame, but it’s there. However any of this wheelset is worth nothing if the nipples are aluminium. No wheel builder worth a penny would ever use alu nipples with carbon rims
Sapim claimed their alu nip has super duper corrosion resistant coating.
They have tests that support the claim, and it's believable by most people. However, that test doesn't consider that coating can be scratch off and expose the more vulnerable aluminum just by building the wheel normally.
Clinks on video, blows out ear drums during intro 😂
Review the DB508 wheels. I would be interested to see what you think
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Hiya. In the graph at the end you rubbish the KPS - presumably because the carbon spokes they used to use broke (& were recalled and replaced). But your review of the KPS said they were really good? On the basis of current product offering, where does KPS actually stand?
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Brilliant!
Would love your opinion/review of scribe wheels. Based in northern Ireland.
Gonna get this to pair with my Magene T100 so I can ride faster!
Great review 👏 👌..... i have the new Winspace 2023 R45 (45mm front & 56mm rear) .... really like them and would be interested in your thoughts 🤔 👍
Random but serious question I have regarding something else 😂 : Would you go for 36x45 or 45x45 headset bearings? Is there any real difference?
it's not really going to make much difference. they aren't going to do one revolution unless you crash
Choosing between Zipp NSW 454 or 858 what you would choose for a fast group riding in a flat area (given constraints that disc brakes are must, and cost not considered)?
more deep more aerodynamic, all else equal. Be careful of crosswinds. The ribbed profile provides negligible benefit, if any at all. Swissside wheels will likely perform better overall for a given depth.
Rim asymmetry is for equal spoke tension and wheel stability
Hi. I'm a big guy. Most wheels, frames, etc. are designed for a max. system wheight of 110/120kg. Do you think it's a problem to ride these components with a system wheight of 130/140kg?
On steel frames and alloy wheels i never had a problem but I wonder if carbon parts can handle this additional wheight.
Thanks
Some are rated for the weight, others are not. Manufacturer will likely give you the spec if asked. But reasonably you have to think why you'd want carbon parts that maybe save you 1-2 kg over the weight of the entire bicycle but then have less resistance to wear over cheaper/heavier/sturdier parts.
The 6" deep comment made me roar with laughter...keep it up (so to speak)
Their power metres got good reviews from accounts on here, I have a cadence sensor from that is just as good as my polar one, and I can change the battery
Why the asymmetric rim when there is a 2:1 spoke pattern???
I am also not a fan of different rim widths.
great haircut, l guess the pen worked well
Well done sir,keep banging !
I'm curious how most of these new companies are using their wheels as flag ship products. They are breaking into the space and coming in with a low price and they will not be able to maintain this quality for this price as time increases.
Eventually the price goes up or the quality gives. In that today, they are built to high standard for a low price point yet tomorrow, outside of inflation, this price will become impossible.
I do want Magene Technology / Qingdao Magene Intelligence Technology Co to succeed and have market share. Yet how long is this model going to be sustainable for?
useful performace-cost chart
Hub pawls don't sound in phase. My main complaint with cheaper wheelsets is that rear hub quality.
You mention they have none standard bearings is this going to be an issue when its time to replace, what you think?
Nsk is available so you aren't stuffed
Could you please comment on wheel width affecting crosswind stability?
Crosswind stability of 27mm wide 50mm deep vs 35mm wide 50mm deep, for example.
35 wide and crosswinds? What are you riding, mate? 😂
Hambini: Creating 6" deep puddles.
I watch every video, in hope of learning something new and I did. Came to know about the importance of assymeterical wheel and oh boy that 6 inch joke came out of nowhere and I had the same laugh as yours. Gladly mine is exacy 6 inch deep. Perhaps your scale would measure it more 🤪
Curious why you rate the 2020 hyper 50s specifically?
Waow....very nice
I’ve got a mountain bike with all Shimano XT stuff how come my free wheel is absolutely silent when I hear some race bikes that noisier than a V8 Mustang
Personally I love the fact that silent I was just hoping somebody can explain to me why it’s silent and what is the difference
Loud road hub sounds like a gimmick. Just like how Harley Davidson motorcycles have that loud throttle noise which has nothing to do with overall performance.
Have a listen to hope or Chris king they aren’t quiet
@@woduk I’m saying that my mountain bike with XT gear and Shimano hubs the freewheel is absolutely silent and has been like that from brand-new
Offset spoke holes on the rear rim help equalize spoke tension (increasing/decreasing bracing angle on the drive/non-drive side).
where do you buy these wheelsets ? ali express?
Sounds to me grooved brake tracks are the new black (tech)
Better sell all your disc brake bikes and buy rim to get grooved wheels that are 20% more compliant, 10% faster and 200% more stiffer, like 6 inch puddles. I am not providing tech to support this, I am the bicycle industry, just trust me! 👍🤣
Some companies have realized that there is a residual but easy to conquer market that will provide them with a better brand recognition. The hurdles are far less difficult to overcome considering the point where the technologies now are.
What were the two major objections to the carbon rim brake wheels ?
Overheating and awful braking in the rain.
I don't know about overheating but it seems like the braking issue is solved.
Schwinn was ahead of their time with carbon steel serrated rims
Any chance you can get your hands on a set of yoeleo wheels ,
i had a set a few years ago, they were quite good
And how much was that hair cut?
Too much
Looks exactly like basic Elite wheels(500 Euro), i would expect DT Swiss standard hubs for 1K
DT swiss hubs are not good!
there magene c406 bike computer is pretty good
A Hambini special?
rim Wheels ?
It's hard to beat DT Swiss hubs- no pawls!
Bought a set of power meter cranks from Magene. They never worked, they would not pay for shipping and would not accept just the left side and fix it. And it took literally months of going back and forth with their customer service to get to that point. I kept sending them pictures that that said weren’t clear enough even though they were much clearer than the examples they had sent me. They required me to ship both. Figuring the cost of shipping then back to China, I just decided to not deal with it. Would never buy from them again.
Thank U .. was considering them.!.
Long live rim brakes!
The hubs are definitely impressive and makes me think that not even the big dog in the business - Nova Tech - would have made them. I think, based on what you said in the video, is that Magene either developed and manufactured the hubs on their own, or they just did all the development and spec then had an outside vendor - not necessarily Nova Tech or another hub/wheel maker - to do the actual manufacturing. Because those hubs look much better than the regular shite that the usual players squirt out their anuses. Otherwise, it looks like a quality product that I'd be interested in - if I woke up drunk and decided that carbon wheels were worth anything. Keep up the good work! :)
All these Chinese brands are smashing it because of DTC marketing. Selling directly to the consumer cuts out the expensive retailing markup and inefficiencies of bike shops holding on to expensive inventory at a risk of not being able to sell it fast enough. Pro sponsorship is no longer that effective for marketing bikes because someone who is spending over $5k for a bike is able to watch channels like these. They understand that this riders are paid to ride those big brands which are it of better quality.
But where can u buy these? I went to their site and couldnt find a way.
This bike was really easy to assemble th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
Any distributor for these?
link in description
Still waiting for the hairdresser buddy...
How safe are tubeless road tyres? Van Vlueten's exploded today and caused a huge crash
it actually (on slo-mo vid) looked more like she slipped from big ring to small, lost control and smashed the front wheel to smithereens when she hit the curb.
Exploded after the crash when the bike smashed into the curb, watch it again and read her tweet about it.
Not so sure about the tyre causing her crash. Looked to be ok as she went down and the wheel hit the curb hard. Maybe another cause
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Her tire caused the crash? Are you blind?
Hunt wheels didn't appear on your chart 😳 🤔
there is a separate chart for them
Magene sounds like the name for a vagoo of questionable origins
non-asymmetric? did you mean symmetric?
I missed the intro so I went back to the start to hear it. I think I need a haircut.
well a few days ago in china a guy bought disc brake version of these wheelset, pumped the tyres to 120psi, and after a few mins of riding rear rim exploded. its on china version tiktok
In the video you can see the flat side of the rear rim is distorting from the spoke tension, design flaw, carbon is too flat.
Chinese people know that the quality of magene products is very poor.
Can you link the video? Please.
@@Onigure around 1:10 upper left, you can see the reflections narrow near the spoke.
They will get you to the hairdresser quick! 🤣
6" deep isn't deep enough mate
Only six inches? I'll look elsewhere!! Keep Safe!
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