I remember feeling disappointed after trying to mess with Dreams for a month. I really just wanted an animation app to practice animation on, but I spent more time fighting with the app itself to make things work. The missing select tool, no intuitive way to move multiple frames around, and the inconsistent undos really made it hard to enjoy this app. I really did like the brushes and canvas though. I liked how detailed I could get with shots if I wanted to. I ended up discovering Toon Squid about several months ago, and it's everything I wanted out of Dreams. A select tool, moving multiple frames around, an asset library to store frames/images if you want to repeat stuff, great feeling brushes, I was so happy to finally find a 2d animation app I liked. The only thing Dreams has over ToonSquid is its ability to have multiple apps open for references. The workaround in Toonsquid is just importing those images onto the canvas. Anyways thanks for the great video, it's nice knowing I'm the only one that thinks Dreams HAS potential, but is lacking.
I would've like this too, but Procreate as a program cannot handle a timeline! There's a reason it has a layer limit. I understand why Savage did what they did, Dreams was built from the ground up which is why it's so buggy.
my fav soup for a cold is spicy peanut noodle soup from a place called spicy noodle house in my hometown (winnipeg), but in this case the sick animator’s fav soup would be the correct soup to send. I’m guessing it’s spicy, tho.
I just can’t believe it’s been over a year and we still don’t have basic things like reference layers. Toonsquid has been great and I’m really excited for all of its new features
My main issue with Dreams is that, it felt like the Procreate team wanted to make a video editing app with the ability to animate tacked on to it. They didn't focus on making Dreams an intuitive and comprehensive animation app first. It's a similar problem with the animation feature in the original procreate: the animation functions feel like an after thought which makes the process of animation slower and even more tedious. I really feel like they missed the mark and really should have just focused on making an animation app for the ipad. They should've used programs like TVPaint and Toonboom as reference but simplified for the ipad hardware. The editing features and extra could've come later on, once people got a good impression of the program. Now, I think they have to do more work to make people actually like the app.
I agree so much procreate dreams slows me down so much. I just made my first short film and it was with procreate dreams, it took me a whole year and it coming out De 31. A huge problem I had with it is that once your file gets too big it starts rendering your drawings really blurry unless you zoom in really close.
PD is a beefy hunk of software and has SO much potential to change the animation game if it keeps getting updated, which I believe it will. However in its current state, I find myself fighting with the gesture controls so often it interrupts my workflow, and there are some things that are ESSENTIAL to the 2D animation process that the app straight up doesn’t tell you about. Maybe one day PD will be the anim app we all dreamed it would be, but for now, I think it’s a great app to play around with to get the feel of 2D anim for beginners, but pros will be looking elsewhere to make real production work. I hope one day that changes.
Hi Toniko. Love your work and channel here :-) Thank you for the mention in this video. Just wanted to give a small input on the timeline in Dreams. You can ripple edit and do more there when combining the "Timeline Edit" (multiselect) with holding 1 finger down and draging an edge of a drawing with the Pencil at the same time. It is not well known and very hard to figure out on your own. But there are some hidden features with holding 1 finger down and draging the edge of a frame(drawing) at the same time. Then you can push and pull with ripple-effect.
They spent too much time tailoring it for motion graphics and their "performance mode" than making sure it had all the drawing tools. All we wanted was the dreams timeline with the drawing functionality of regular procreate.
I use Dreams because I really, REALLY have found I'm unfortunately reliant on Procreate's brush engine, and I really enjoy having a backstage (smth Toonsquid doesn't have). I imported some brushes to Toonsquid that I've use in Photoshop and CSP but they don't look or feel the same. I do think they over-promised in its initial launch. If they had called the initial launch a beta I would have been more understanding. That said it really sounds like they have taken the criticisms to heart and the next big update for it is going to address a majority of them, which I really hope changes the animation game big time. Once they fix a lot of the UI issues + the much needed lasso tool, I think it will already be a huge game changer, especially if they continue to update it.
@@batfiend Yeah-- perhaps I have become too reliant on stabilization tools in Procreate, SAI, and CSP, but it just doesn't feel... right? As a hobbyist it's difficult for me to articulate why. It just feels off.
People sort of forget this is a new software that will get better as time goes on. I bought dreams on day 1, tried it and returned to using toonsquid the same day. But I don't mind supporting the procreate dreams team, I've gotten more than enough out of using regular procreate, and I believe the team has a vision so down the road, dreams might become something interesting. I can wait for a bit. (but I heard toonsquid v2 might be coming so they better hurry cuz I'm hyped for that)
@ hahaha. I actually do tho. I was happy to buy the product, even if in some sense its not ready yet. But, I mean, look at how far regular procreate has come! Give the devs time and Dreams might become an amazing piece of software (more than what it currently is)! And I applaud the fact that they are trying to do things differently too, we def need people aiming for innovation. But right now toonsquid is my goto for animation on the ipad. Ask me again in a year or two? :D
Procreate ALWAYS overpromises and not sure what's their deal with apple to get so promoted but their apps are not even that good or feature packed like lets say Art Studio Pro
I think it's cuz apple is a UI obsessed brand rather than feature obsessed, and procreate is the same way, so ig they just get along idk lol. Similar goals/niches
The learning curve is like Blender high, but not because you have to learn as much stuff as Blender, but just, like, where is anything? Just trying to find something basic, having it nested in menus I didn’t even know were there or how to find them. It’s obtuse in all the ways that Procreate isn’t, imo.
Procreate itself overpromises. it feels like years since it has had a relevant feature update, and it's still severely behind desktop applications in a lot of aspects. Kinda what happens when you don't have direct competitors in the space
Dude this vid was very informative. I haven’t tried touching it since launch. After watching this, you make me want to take it serious before the update new year
Ahh I feel so bad for your voice!! Hope you’re healed up! 😢 Yeah I’m struggling with dreams to try to animate a character for a videogame and it’s needlessly tough, but at the same time I feel like I can make some cool things happen! Everyone can sense that it’s ALMOST there
I was commisioned when Dreams launched! I love procreate, I love the team - they care about artists. The app will evolve to become what it was meant to be on day 1, its just been much longer than was hoped. That said, I agree with this video, great breakdown.
The only way I would touch PD again is when they finally add the selection and liquify tools. I can't imagine drawing and tweaking motions without them.
I use ToonSquid and was excited to change to procreate since ToonSquid has so few brushes. But I found it completely impossible to make anything more than experiments in procreate.
Good video - I jump between Callipeg and Toonsquid for my personal projects Callipeg has some good gesture for their timeline and canvas - Toonsquid's layers and camera are powerful
Amazing video! hopefully the new update brings cool stuff so it's better to work with it. You nailed all my problems with the app xD I was super excited when it was announced and a bit dissapointed when I tried it out u.u but hopefully with this new update, I can give it a go once more :D Happy holidays :3
Hey Mr.Pantoja can you make a video about how to Set the settings and shortcuts as a video and how to use TVPaint in general in different videos seperately ?
I just got an iPad and can't to dig into Procreate for the amazing brushes. I wonder if it would be easier to just animate in Procreate and export the images as png's to composite later rather than animating in Dreams?
When the app first came out, I bought it right away and even created tutorials for it on social media. However, the updates were so slow that I ended up forgetting I had even purchased it.
I really hope they do something to the motion recording, because when I make very small movements they're just no trecorded. Let's say I want someone to very slightly nod their head in time with music and then get more and more "animated" as the song gets more intense... The micro-noddings will just not be recorded. Very small motions is kinda what the recording feature would be the most useful for tbh.
Procreate Dreams is still in its infancy. Given that the Procreate team is very artist-targetted and they listen to feedback, it’ll likely advance. Give it 3 years, hopefully it can compete as one of the main programs that professional animators can rely on.
Dude, you're amazing. I'm trying to make a frame-by-frame animation of a character being enveloped in darkness, but since I'm a beginner animator, I can't do it. Could you teach me how in a video?
I do almost all of my animation in OG Procreate. I use Dreams more like Final Cut Pro. If Dreams had proper frame by frame implementation and lasso tool it would be pretty great.
At first I though I am bad at useing it, but after a while i just realized the app sucks Edit: Also hate how the screen is squished while useing the app. Makes me claustrophobic 😅
i'd still looking forward for the future updates, even though i had bad experiences animating with Dreams. - Most of the time I have to combine both Procreate and Dreams just to working on a single shot, and it's time consuming - the layer settings is not versatile compared to Procreate - the eyedropper tool gets different color results - the drawing frames could have been better (only the switch frames part) - occasionally crash - procreate tools that I expected to be included not here (color tool, copy layer, reference, combine down, etc) and it's definitely not user-friendly for users who just want to buy Dreams app, even worse, CSP ipad seems more efficient than PDs. I still like it, and hoping that the dev team can improve those problems in the next update :))
I’m with you on this. I’m kind of glad that CSP started to work well for me as an animation tool just before Dreams came out otherwise I might have taken a while going the wrong route. As it stands - if you know what you’re doing with keyboard shortcuts and customising the interface (which is complex and generally offputting to most) CSP is a terrific and very powerful tool. Vector drawing that feels organic.
So, this program may not be the best for beginners, then. I don't even know if I have the patience to make hand drawn animation, but it would be nice to at least try it out, especially on my iPad when I'm out somewhere and not tethered to my computer at home. Thank you for sharing this with us! This is probably the best honest review I've heard so far. =^-^=
I returned Dreams the day I purchased it. Addition to you comments it have problems on importing video as well. Sorry but I don't have any hope for Dreams. They really need to listen pros like you other wise its just waste of time. There are much more better alternatives as you mentioned.
With ripple editting, if you try and extend one frame, you have to hold that tineline with another finger then it pushes it all back, using that highlighting feature you can do that with multiple layers. You're welcome! Not everything is obvious on this app😭😭
I was looking into Procreate dreams to do storyboarding but it seems to not be great at that, are there any good all in one storyboarding apps for the iPad without having to go from Procreate to a separate editing software?
You might know already but if you place one finger on your ipad and then your other finger/ipad on the edge of a piece of "content" you can push your content on the timeline, instead of moving one piece over and then butting up another one beside it like at 11 minutes in. Tbh I found the timeline thing way more annoying than the missing lasso tool, being forced to only be able to create animations in 1 second increments was just baffling to me. If I could pinch and zoom and then export that exact specific piece that would have been amazing. Or the fact the keyframes cannot be copy pasted or reset, so if youre trying to loop a warp deform its literally impossible.
Hello! Two things that might help: - you can see frame by frame of your content on the Timeline by zooming all the way in (double-tap) - hold a finger on the screen while you extend or shrink the content edge and it will adjust the surrounding content too
Procreate Dreams is a big disappointment for me. To tell the truth, I preferred to pay the Clip Studio subscription on the iPad and do the compitting on DaVinci Resolve (now that the iPad version may have Fusion. )
over a year and dreams still hasnt added those most wanted features. that is wild. did they abandon the app?? it feels like it. feels more and more like a fraud by now. an app just there to shatter the hopes and dreams
I think it's an excuse to say Dreams is not trying to be like other animation apps. While yes, their UI is definitely unique, the workflow is nothing like the others, looks interesting and to an extent can be fun to animate on because of the new interface. Procreate devs have no excuse to not include the standard tools for drawing/animations apps such as the lasso. It lacks elements on what makes a digital art software a digital art software. Basically 'early access' without them explicitly labeling it as one and it feels too incomplete and unfinished. I don't see trying to make the app work for you as a good thing. There's no doubt that the end goal will be reached eventually after struggling with a relatively lengthy workflow. You can have fun trying to problem solve on Dreams, but other apps can provide a much better experience that doesn't have this issue in the first place. ** This is a very important point that should not be dismissed: It's been more than a year and the app is simply lacking as clearly expressed in the video. Toonsquid has one developer who's made a great animation app, while Procreate has a team of 100+ that can't even release standard digital tools. Toonsquid also has an upcoming V2 that will include a lot of new features that Procreate is only considering. That says something. For the pro animators who claim this is their number one animation app, they were commissioned/paid by Procreate. It's an advertisement by influencers at that point. The app is incomplete and makes the workflow more of a struggle when animation is already a highly time consuming task, and nothing a pro animator can say will change that fact. I wanted to like Dreams as I enjoyed using Procreate in general. I'm one of the artists who was excited about having a new animation app for iPad specially when it's coming from Procreate, but this is far too incomplete. I understandable for them to release it in this state to try and gain income as they develop the app -- but this is the result of doing so and it shouldn't be normalized. There are expectations that Dreams will become a very fun animation app and a great way for aspiring animators to start on. I agree. However, at its current state, I'm not touching this app until it catches up to with the better apps.
Admittedly I’m more of a hobbyist when it comes to animation, so for me Dreams has been really awesome 😅 it definitely needs some updates, but as it is I’m really enjoying it and I guess I’m in the minority
10:34 if you’re going to re use the coloring along with the line art just put it on a different track but group it together layers are only good for still frames
@ethereal7328 ahhh, ig I haven't had that issue as much? That's really weird I'm sorry that's being a problem qqwq Hopefully they update procreate dreams soon n it just gets a lot better
@@Darlingcheese maybe I should install and reinstall, but you try scaling a lot then make a stroke and then do the opposite and compare the strokes. But however let just wait for an update as you said.
I honestly don’t get the hate about procreate dreams… I’ve managed to make some really cool animations that I’m proud of with it and I’ve seen many others make some you guys need to stop arguing over a app that only just came out a year ago in fact if you’ve been paying attention to procreates youtube they have mentioned that the lasso tool is coming to procreate dreams and a brand new frame by frame system so basically they just redoing the app. They have listened to your disappointments and they are working on it but they busy doing quality over quantity and making sure its a really good update. You know writing this down has made me realise the only problem is you guys are just afraid of change and this is very similar to why people who animate in myer don’t wanna switch to blender. So I’m excited for procreate dreams future and I’m gonna keep learning how to make better animations on it and I hope you guys just wake up and stop making these dumb urgh procreate dreams sucks now vids
6:28 Hey, if i correctly remember, you can actually ripple move frames by pressing down with two fingers on a track, and moving the needed frame with a pen! It may be kinda uncomfortable, because you'll need to precisely pull the edge of the frame, and not the neighbouring frame, but it can be fixed just by zooming into the track where needed frame is placed! Hope that helps :D
the worst pat about the app is that it calls clips "content"... like i thought this company cared about the work that artists do and they relegate everything to that damn word 😭
12:16 Another tip is to duplicate your line art aso that you can just color drop you colors in. Make sure to group all of you line art before duplicateing tho
If you press one finger somewhere on the timeline you can actualy make the single frames longer and the other frames will moove with it. Took me a while to find it out. But it works. I hope you can understand, what I mean because I am not nativ to the english language. I am from Austria and I love your videos😊
THE APP IS GOD TIER!!! DON’T PLAY AROUND AND GRAB IT!!! - CAN MOVE FLAT IMAGES AS IF THEY WERE 3D - FRAME BY FRAME ANIMATION IS PERFECT THE WAY YOU CAN PLAN IN ADVANCE AND GRAW GESTURE LINE ON *DIFFERENT LAYERS* -MOLD IMAGES (such as clothing) IN LAYERS TO HAVE THEM ANIMATE AT DIFFERENT TIMES, IMITATING REALISM - SPECIAL EFFECTS AND SOUNDS ARE EASY TO IMPORT -YOU CAN ANIMATE FRAME BY FRAME OVER A MUSIC VIDEO - THE MORE LOGISTICS YOU KNOW, THE EASIER AND MORE INTUITIVE THE APP BECOMES
@@illusionofartYT lmao eyyyyyyy Yea self-taught to the point where procreate dreams was my dream come true cause their intuitive controls answered all my questions haha
there was also an app called rough animator that i found to be a lot more intuitive than procreate dreams (more advanced than flipaclip) procreate dreams is definitely the prettiest app tho, and the brush engine is the best in procreate and procreate dreams.
@@ezrelab6637 flipaclip just always crashed for me and i got ADS EVERY MINUTE I WAS ON THE APP! also the brushes suck and everything is very pixely. now every flipaclip user i see are complaining about how strict and inflated it's becoming. i don't understand why people hate procreate dreams, it runs better than flipaclip 100% and sure you might need tutorials, but you learn how to use the app and theres plently of helpful tutorials on yt. i understand about the lasso tool situation but my gosh, its in beta. it'll take lots of time to make an update ESPECIALLY on a animation program. also, people just complain about not having the lasso tool too much and thats what gives it a bad reputation.. i feel bad for the creators, it seems like an amazing app but it's still in beta and some people do not know it's not finished. i am using it for storyboarding currently but not finished projects until it has those tools i need. i am keeping up on the procreate's annoucement of these updates, they are really working hard. the remade flipbook tool and lasso tool will come out shortly. for now, we have to be patient and use the time on making messy work rather than clean.
I remember feeling disappointed after trying to mess with Dreams for a month. I really just wanted an animation app to practice animation on, but I spent more time fighting with the app itself to make things work. The missing select tool, no intuitive way to move multiple frames around, and the inconsistent undos really made it hard to enjoy this app.
I really did like the brushes and canvas though. I liked how detailed I could get with shots if I wanted to.
I ended up discovering Toon Squid about several months ago, and it's everything I wanted out of Dreams. A select tool, moving multiple frames around, an asset library to store frames/images if you want to repeat stuff, great feeling brushes, I was so happy to finally find a 2d animation app I liked. The only thing Dreams has over ToonSquid is its ability to have multiple apps open for references. The workaround in Toonsquid is just importing those images onto the canvas.
Anyways thanks for the great video, it's nice knowing I'm the only one that thinks Dreams HAS potential, but is lacking.
The procreate dreams to toon squid pipeline is real and I went down it too! lol toon squid turned out to be everything I wanted from dreams
Have you heard about Callipeg?
Oh how i wish they would have just kept procreate's ui and added a timeline
Literally
Fully, that's all they needed to do
I would've like this too, but Procreate as a program cannot handle a timeline! There's a reason it has a layer limit. I understand why Savage did what they did, Dreams was built from the ground up which is why it's so buggy.
Procreate has animation assist, which I like for frame-by-frame way more than dreams haha. I hope dreams gets better
My gosh I wish I could send you some soup
what kind of soup if I may? 🤔
my fav soup for a cold is spicy peanut noodle soup from a place called spicy noodle house in my hometown (winnipeg), but in this case the sick animator’s fav soup would be the correct soup to send. I’m guessing it’s spicy, tho.
send it loose in an envelope so customs don't get suspicious
Can I have some soup too please?! Soup sounds really good right about now 😋
@@mightymsdragon2498 i am limited by the laws of soup physics but I’ve subscribed to your channel.
I just can’t believe it’s been over a year and we still don’t have basic things like reference layers. Toonsquid has been great and I’m really excited for all of its new features
I stopped using dream the same day it came out. No lasso tool was really really frustrating and it was just hard to use. I miss my $20
Yeeeah I hopped on too fast and regretted it
My main issue with Dreams is that, it felt like the Procreate team wanted to make a video editing app with the ability to animate tacked on to it. They didn't focus on making Dreams an intuitive and comprehensive animation app first. It's a similar problem with the animation feature in the original procreate: the animation functions feel like an after thought which makes the process of animation slower and even more tedious. I really feel like they missed the mark and really should have just focused on making an animation app for the ipad. They should've used programs like TVPaint and Toonboom as reference but simplified for the ipad hardware. The editing features and extra could've come later on, once people got a good impression of the program. Now, I think they have to do more work to make people actually like the app.
I agree so much procreate dreams slows me down so much. I just made my first short film and it was with procreate dreams, it took me a whole year and it coming out De 31. A huge problem I had with it is that once your file gets too big it starts rendering your drawings really blurry unless you zoom in really close.
Dreams is so confounding, I actually have a better workflow animating in ProCreate and exporting frames to toon boom for cleanup
yeah same i want to animate in dreams but the og procreate just feels less restrictive or i just don’t understand the UI
PD is a beefy hunk of software and has SO much potential to change the animation game if it keeps getting updated, which I believe it will. However in its current state, I find myself fighting with the gesture controls so often it interrupts my workflow, and there are some things that are ESSENTIAL to the 2D animation process that the app straight up doesn’t tell you about. Maybe one day PD will be the anim app we all dreamed it would be, but for now, I think it’s a great app to play around with to get the feel of 2D anim for beginners, but pros will be looking elsewhere to make real production work. I hope one day that changes.
Hi Toniko. Love your work and channel here :-) Thank you for the mention in this video. Just wanted to give a small input on the timeline in Dreams. You can ripple edit and do more there when combining the "Timeline Edit" (multiselect) with holding 1 finger down and draging an edge of a drawing with the Pencil at the same time. It is not well known and very hard to figure out on your own. But there are some hidden features with holding 1 finger down and draging the edge of a frame(drawing) at the same time. Then you can push and pull with ripple-effect.
@@nikolailockertsen I’ll have to give it another twirl and follow up, love your work
They spent too much time tailoring it for motion graphics and their "performance mode" than making sure it had all the drawing tools. All we wanted was the dreams timeline with the drawing functionality of regular procreate.
I use Dreams because I really, REALLY have found I'm unfortunately reliant on Procreate's brush engine, and I really enjoy having a backstage (smth Toonsquid doesn't have). I imported some brushes to Toonsquid that I've use in Photoshop and CSP but they don't look or feel the same. I do think they over-promised in its initial launch. If they had called the initial launch a beta I would have been more understanding.
That said it really sounds like they have taken the criticisms to heart and the next big update for it is going to address a majority of them, which I really hope changes the animation game big time. Once they fix a lot of the UI issues + the much needed lasso tool, I think it will already be a huge game changer, especially if they continue to update it.
Same here ! I can't get used to toon squid's brush engine, everything feels so flimsy.
@@batfiend Yeah-- perhaps I have become too reliant on stabilization tools in Procreate, SAI, and CSP, but it just doesn't feel... right? As a hobbyist it's difficult for me to articulate why. It just feels off.
Standard Procreate is 10x more animator friendly.
one year later and still no lasso tool. It's incredible
People sort of forget this is a new software that will get better as time goes on. I bought dreams on day 1, tried it and returned to using toonsquid the same day. But I don't mind supporting the procreate dreams team, I've gotten more than enough out of using regular procreate, and I believe the team has a vision so down the road, dreams might become something interesting. I can wait for a bit. (but I heard toonsquid v2 might be coming so they better hurry cuz I'm hyped for that)
You dont buy into their dream
@ hahaha. I actually do tho. I was happy to buy the product, even if in some sense its not ready yet. But, I mean, look at how far regular procreate has come! Give the devs time and Dreams might become an amazing piece of software (more than what it currently is)! And I applaud the fact that they are trying to do things differently too, we def need people aiming for innovation. But right now toonsquid is my goto for animation on the ipad. Ask me again in a year or two? :D
@@ErikErosa Regular Procreate still needs vector-based brushes. Artists have been asking for those for years.
Procreate ALWAYS overpromises and not sure what's their deal with apple to get so promoted but their apps are not even that good or feature packed like lets say Art Studio Pro
I think it's cuz apple is a UI obsessed brand rather than feature obsessed, and procreate is the same way, so ig they just get along idk lol. Similar goals/niches
NOOO your poor voice! I wish you a speedy recovery!!
I'm trying to learn toonsquid. I wanted dreams to be good....but it's gotten SLAMMED by people who really wanted it to be a success
Toonsquid is great. It’ll be even better when 2.0 launches
The learning curve is like Blender high, but not because you have to learn as much stuff as Blender, but just, like, where is anything? Just trying to find something basic, having it nested in menus I didn’t even know were there or how to find them. It’s obtuse in all the ways that Procreate isn’t, imo.
Agreed 100%
Procreate itself overpromises. it feels like years since it has had a relevant feature update, and it's still severely behind desktop applications in a lot of aspects. Kinda what happens when you don't have direct competitors in the space
Dude this vid was very informative. I haven’t tried touching it since launch. After watching this, you make me want to take it serious before the update new year
Ahh I feel so bad for your voice!! Hope you’re healed up! 😢
Yeah I’m struggling with dreams to try to animate a character for a videogame and it’s needlessly tough, but at the same time I feel like I can make some cool things happen! Everyone can sense that it’s ALMOST there
I was commisioned when Dreams launched! I love procreate, I love the team - they care about artists. The app will evolve to become what it was meant to be on day 1, its just been much longer than was hoped. That said, I agree with this video, great breakdown.
I use procreate dreams mainly for cleanup and colouring.After doing all the roughs on tv paint.
Do you have any recommendations abt the coloring process? It takes forever in dreams. The fact there isnt a fill toolbut obly the drop color
The only way I would touch PD again is when they finally add the selection and liquify tools. I can't imagine drawing and tweaking motions without them.
I use ToonSquid and was excited to change to procreate since ToonSquid has so few brushes. But I found it completely impossible to make anything more than experiments in procreate.
Good video - I jump between Callipeg and Toonsquid for my personal projects
Callipeg has some good gesture for their timeline and canvas - Toonsquid's layers and camera are powerful
I think Procreate is better animation experience than Procreate Dreams.
Amazing video! hopefully the new update brings cool stuff so it's better to work with it. You nailed all my problems with the app xD I was super excited when it was announced and a bit dissapointed when I tried it out u.u but hopefully with this new update, I can give it a go once more :D
Happy holidays :3
Hey Mr.Pantoja can you make a video about how to Set the settings and shortcuts as a video and how to use TVPaint in general in different videos seperately ?
It’s been over a year now, and we still dont have lasso along with a lot of very important tools
I just got an iPad and can't to dig into Procreate for the amazing brushes. I wonder if it would be easier to just animate in Procreate and export the images as png's to composite later rather than animating in Dreams?
When the app first came out, I bought it right away and even created tutorials for it on social media. However, the updates were so slow that I ended up forgetting I had even purchased it.
I really hope they do something to the motion recording, because when I make very small movements they're just no trecorded. Let's say I want someone to very slightly nod their head in time with music and then get more and more "animated" as the song gets more intense... The micro-noddings will just not be recorded. Very small motions is kinda what the recording feature would be the most useful for tbh.
I just really want the colour drop tool to work properly 😩
Procreate Dreams is still in its infancy. Given that the Procreate team is very artist-targetted and they listen to feedback, it’ll likely advance. Give it 3 years, hopefully it can compete as one of the main programs that professional animators can rely on.
Dude, you're amazing. I'm trying to make a frame-by-frame animation of a character being enveloped in darkness, but since I'm a beginner animator, I can't do it. Could you teach me how in a video?
I do almost all of my animation in OG Procreate. I use Dreams more like Final Cut Pro. If Dreams had proper frame by frame implementation and lasso tool it would be pretty great.
I really miss holding down to make straight lines and clean shapes.
At first I though I am bad at useing it, but after a while i just realized the app sucks
Edit: Also hate how the screen is squished while useing the app. Makes me claustrophobic 😅
i'd still looking forward for the future updates, even though i had bad experiences animating with Dreams.
- Most of the time I have to combine both Procreate and Dreams just to working on a single shot, and it's time consuming
- the layer settings is not versatile compared to Procreate
- the eyedropper tool gets different color results
- the drawing frames could have been better (only the switch frames part)
- occasionally crash
- procreate tools that I expected to be included not here (color tool, copy layer, reference, combine down, etc)
and it's definitely not user-friendly for users who just want to buy Dreams app, even worse, CSP ipad seems more efficient than PDs. I still like it, and hoping that the dev team can improve those problems in the next update :))
Eh.. I've been using Clip since Manga and Anime Studio days.. a very good investment either for illustration, comic, or animation.
I’m with you on this. I’m kind of glad that CSP started to work well for me as an animation tool just before Dreams came out otherwise I might have taken a while going the wrong route. As it stands - if you know what you’re doing with keyboard shortcuts and customising the interface (which is complex and generally offputting to most) CSP is a terrific and very powerful tool. Vector drawing that feels organic.
I would have approached the software differently if they had been more humble at launch.
So, this program may not be the best for beginners, then. I don't even know if I have the patience to make hand drawn animation, but it would be nice to at least try it out, especially on my iPad when I'm out somewhere and not tethered to my computer at home.
Thank you for sharing this with us! This is probably the best honest review I've heard so far. =^-^=
I returned Dreams the day I purchased it. Addition to you comments it have problems on importing video as well. Sorry but I don't have any hope for Dreams. They really need to listen pros like you other wise its just waste of time. There are much more better alternatives as you mentioned.
With ripple editting, if you try and extend one frame, you have to hold that tineline with another finger then it pushes it all back, using that highlighting feature you can do that with multiple layers. You're welcome! Not everything is obvious on this app😭😭
I guess you can say you got sick of their promises. But for real, hope you feel better soon
I ended up animating on Procreate, and exporting to Dreams a few scenes to compose. It feels annoying to draw on Dreams itself.
I was looking into Procreate dreams to do storyboarding but it seems to not be great at that, are there any good all in one storyboarding apps for the iPad without having to go from Procreate to a separate editing software?
I still don't get why its so difficult to import the originals LASSO TOOL! 13 months and still nothing
It STILL doesn’t have lasso tool??
All i want is a lasso tool
You might know already but if you place one finger on your ipad and then your other finger/ipad on the edge of a piece of "content" you can push your content on the timeline, instead of moving one piece over and then butting up another one beside it like at 11 minutes in.
Tbh I found the timeline thing way more annoying than the missing lasso tool, being forced to only be able to create animations in 1 second increments was just baffling to me. If I could pinch and zoom and then export that exact specific piece that would have been amazing. Or the fact the keyframes cannot be copy pasted or reset, so if youre trying to loop a warp deform its literally impossible.
love you man I want to be in the indusytu like you
Hold up, this is random. Can someone tell me how to use the blue tool in storyboard pro properly?
Hello! Two things that might help:
- you can see frame by frame of your content on the Timeline by zooming all the way in (double-tap)
- hold a finger on the screen while you extend or shrink the content edge and it will adjust the surrounding content too
New updates and still no lasso tool...
Hope you get your voice back my guy.
Procreate Dreams is a big disappointment for me. To tell the truth, I preferred to pay the Clip Studio subscription on the iPad and do the compitting on DaVinci Resolve (now that the iPad version may have Fusion. )
Bro got a new iPad 😱😱😱
over a year and dreams still hasnt added those most wanted features. that is wild. did they abandon the app?? it feels like it. feels more and more like a fraud by now. an app just there to shatter the hopes and dreams
I think it's an excuse to say Dreams is not trying to be like other animation apps. While yes, their UI is definitely unique, the workflow is nothing like the others, looks interesting and to an extent can be fun to animate on because of the new interface. Procreate devs have no excuse to not include the standard tools for drawing/animations apps such as the lasso. It lacks elements on what makes a digital art software a digital art software. Basically 'early access' without them explicitly labeling it as one and it feels too incomplete and unfinished.
I don't see trying to make the app work for you as a good thing. There's no doubt that the end goal will be reached eventually after struggling with a relatively lengthy workflow. You can have fun trying to problem solve on Dreams, but other apps can provide a much better experience that doesn't have this issue in the first place.
** This is a very important point that should not be dismissed: It's been more than a year and the app is simply lacking as clearly expressed in the video. Toonsquid has one developer who's made a great animation app, while Procreate has a team of 100+ that can't even release standard digital tools. Toonsquid also has an upcoming V2 that will include a lot of new features that Procreate is only considering. That says something.
For the pro animators who claim this is their number one animation app, they were commissioned/paid by Procreate. It's an advertisement by influencers at that point. The app is incomplete and makes the workflow more of a struggle when animation is already a highly time consuming task, and nothing a pro animator can say will change that fact.
I wanted to like Dreams as I enjoyed using Procreate in general. I'm one of the artists who was excited about having a new animation app for iPad specially when it's coming from Procreate, but this is far too incomplete.
I understandable for them to release it in this state to try and gain income as they develop the app -- but this is the result of doing so and it shouldn't be normalized.
There are expectations that Dreams will become a very fun animation app and a great way for aspiring animators to start on. I agree. However, at its current state, I'm not touching this app until it catches up to with the better apps.
Admittedly I’m more of a hobbyist when it comes to animation, so for me Dreams has been really awesome 😅 it definitely needs some updates, but as it is I’m really enjoying it and I guess I’m in the minority
10:34 if you’re going to re use the coloring along with the line art just put it on a different track but group it together layers are only good for still frames
You ok? Your voice sounds harsh and sickly in the beginning. 🙁😣
I don’t even care of the lasso tool, but common! the strokes being inconsistent depending on the scaling of your screen makes it unusable.
That's smth in regular procreate, you can turn that off in settings
@Darlingcheese no no! in procreate dreams it just decrease the intensity in which it happens.
@ethereal7328 ahhh, ig I haven't had that issue as much? That's really weird I'm sorry that's being a problem qqwq
Hopefully they update procreate dreams soon n it just gets a lot better
@@Darlingcheese maybe I should install and reinstall, but you try scaling a lot then make a stroke and then do the opposite and compare the strokes. But however let just wait for an update as you said.
I honestly don’t get the hate about procreate dreams… I’ve managed to make some really cool animations that I’m proud of with it and I’ve seen many others make some you guys need to stop arguing over a app that only just came out a year ago in fact if you’ve been paying attention to procreates youtube they have mentioned that the lasso tool is coming to procreate dreams and a brand new frame by frame system so basically they just redoing the app. They have listened to your disappointments and they are working on it but they busy doing quality over quantity and making sure its a really good update. You know writing this down has made me realise the only problem is you guys are just afraid of change and this is very similar to why people who animate in myer don’t wanna switch to blender.
So I’m excited for procreate dreams future and I’m gonna keep learning how to make better animations on it and I hope you guys just wake up and stop making these dumb urgh procreate dreams sucks now vids
Dreams was confusing to use when I first used it, but I think the Procreate team will listen to the feedback and improve it.
6:28
Hey, if i correctly remember, you can actually ripple move frames by pressing down with two fingers on a track, and moving the needed frame with a pen!
It may be kinda uncomfortable, because you'll need to precisely pull the edge of the frame, and not the neighbouring frame, but it can be fixed just by zooming into the track where needed frame is placed!
Hope that helps :D
Oh shit damn that’s something I’ll bring up in the next follow up
I remain optomistic about Dreams future. Just wish they had maybe delayed its release a year to get it in a more feature-complete state.
the worst pat about the app is that it calls clips "content"... like i thought this company cared about the work that artists do and they relegate everything to that damn word 😭
If only Ipads had a keyboard 🤔
12:16 Another tip is to duplicate your line art aso that you can just color drop you colors in. Make sure to group all of you line art before duplicateing tho
oh definitely
If you really want to get a headache? try making your own brush from scratch in regular procreate app 🤣
Make you ju want to, PROcrastinate
If you press one finger somewhere on the timeline you can actualy make the single frames longer and the other frames will moove with it. Took me a while to find it out. But it works. I hope you can understand, what I mean because I am not nativ to the english language. I am from Austria and I love your videos😊
Yes it did
THE APP IS GOD TIER!!! DON’T PLAY AROUND AND GRAB IT!!!
- CAN MOVE FLAT IMAGES AS IF THEY WERE 3D
- FRAME BY FRAME ANIMATION IS PERFECT THE WAY YOU CAN PLAN IN ADVANCE AND GRAW GESTURE LINE ON *DIFFERENT LAYERS*
-MOLD IMAGES (such as clothing) IN LAYERS TO HAVE THEM ANIMATE AT DIFFERENT TIMES, IMITATING REALISM
- SPECIAL EFFECTS AND SOUNDS ARE EASY TO IMPORT
-YOU CAN ANIMATE FRAME BY FRAME OVER A MUSIC VIDEO
- THE MORE LOGISTICS YOU KNOW, THE EASIER AND MORE INTUITIVE THE APP BECOMES
I have definitely seen a lot of cool projects people have done taking advantage of these features and it is truly nice to see it possible on ipad.
I did not expect to see you here beat down but I remembered you do Alot of cool animations!
@@ShofuthaBeatdown 😆
@@illusionofartYT lmao eyyyyyyy
Yea self-taught to the point where procreate dreams was my dream come true cause their intuitive controls answered all my questions haha
@@TonikoPantoja I’m a big fan by the way! Thanks for noticing me lmao
biggest app let down of all time
Android left the chat
i liked the app
i can handle it unlike flipaclip
personally from what i recall of using flipaclip it is far more intuitive than procreate dreams 😭😭😭 I never needed a tutorial for flipaclip
there was also an app called rough animator that i found to be a lot more intuitive than procreate dreams (more advanced than flipaclip) procreate dreams is definitely the prettiest app tho, and the brush engine is the best in procreate and procreate dreams.
@@ezrelab6637 you try using dreams with procreate? The transition is seamless
@@ezrelab6637 flipaclip just always crashed for me and i got ADS EVERY MINUTE I WAS ON THE APP! also the brushes suck and everything is very pixely. now every flipaclip user i see are complaining about how strict and inflated it's becoming. i don't understand why people hate procreate dreams, it runs better than flipaclip 100% and sure you might need tutorials, but you learn how to use the app and theres plently of helpful tutorials on yt. i understand about the lasso tool situation but my gosh, its in beta. it'll take lots of time to make an update ESPECIALLY on a animation program. also, people just complain about not having the lasso tool too much and thats what gives it a bad reputation.. i feel bad for the creators, it seems like an amazing app but it's still in beta and some people do not know it's not finished. i am using it for storyboarding currently but not finished projects until it has those tools i need. i am keeping up on the procreate's annoucement of these updates, they are really working hard. the remade flipbook tool and lasso tool will come out shortly. for now, we have to be patient and use the time on making messy work rather than clean.
This will be the indie tool that disrupts the industry.
if only they have improve in next update, but still not enough to disrupts the industry
Clip studio paint is the best app for animating on the iPad