Isn't the government already the single largest property and land owner? 88 000 buildings and something like 5 million hectares of farmland (enough to give every South-African a quarter of a rugby field)? Maybe start there? Also, this will tank property prices. Who will want to own any property? Thus a massive loss in tax
DomDoos ....quater of a rugby field is just less than a quarter of a hectare....5mill x4= 20mill. SA has got a population of 62mill+.... Go ask back your school funds !!!!
And in the biggest capitalist country USA the dollar is weakening rapidly, they have more debt than any other country, average workers can't buy houses and rent takes most of the pay check, they can't even afford rent, they have no savings so they are living pay-check to pay-check, they need loans to pay for university and they have the biggest prison population.
@@aem870 Yet people from socialist/communist countries are risking their lives in order to escape from their socialist/communist countries. The immigration problem only goes one way..Observe the observable. Capitalism is definitely not flawless..but it is still the better option . We haven't cracked the problem yet. After a hundred years of trying to implement Communism..those countries that tried are on their knees..they only keep their citizens compliant with harsh authoritarianism. You lose the argument when you state that people in capitalist countries live from hand to mouth. . Most people in the world live from pay check to pay check..But it is possible with hard work and entrepeneurship to escape from this grind in a capitalist country. You can forget about it in a communist country.. only the top brass in the communist countries benefits.
@@aem870 So why are there such a scramble and risking of lives in order to get into a Capitalist country ...the immigration crises only goes one way. We don't see boats and dinghies crossing the sea ..or people walking through a desert and scrambling through barbed wire in order to get into a socialist/communist country.. Observe the observable...
Makone is amazing.. She's articulate, smart and humble.. She deserves a "promotion".. On merit alone... Did I mention she's pleasing to the eye too.. ☺️
It will help South Africa absolutely zero if the government owns all the land. Zero. Zero. Zero. Companies pollute the land. They don't build up the land values. You have to understand land values, how city and residential areas are developed, the value of property, the value of city land vs. rural land, the market incentive to beautify land.... beautiful skyscrapers, beautify residential homes etc. there's a massive difference in land values between cities and why you as a government shouldn't ever own all the land, because people will pollute the land, let it fall into disrepair... because they don't personally own the land... they don't want to invest in the land, you want private land ownership to increase land values! To increase the incentive to invest! Just because China does it and 200 other countries don't do it, doesn't it mean you have to do it here... you have to understand what you are doing, you are destroying private wealth. The market DRIVES INVESTMENT. Value creates value and an incentive to INVEST more...because it increases in value.
Does this expropriation going to include the taxi routes and roads professed as belonging to them by the taxi associations as well? Seems like the taxi associations see that as an asset belonging to them, but they have not paid for those roads used by them.
I hope the international interest is listening and immediately with draw all investment consideration to show these clowns the reality of function in SA cannot alloe Government steeling from people and that they should focus on providing aneconomic environment for all to florish.
@brucemcdonald8529 Secure property rights is the very foundation of investment. If politicians can expropriation without compensation, then your investment is at 100% risk from the outset, on top of any economic or commercial risks.
Government and Municipal job oportunities being public services are the majority incompetent posts because they are cadre deployments, family members and once in they move around using their connections to be elevated and the real functional people are overlooked for posts and because there is no accountability in public service and you are as incompetent as the person who manages you the public service sector in terms of growing people fails and is rather a means of spendi g tax payers money with little service provision for the tax/ rates paid.
Thing is, there are elements in the ANC that are more DA than EFF. The moderate voters of any race who own property and are economically successful would be unlikely to go along with expropriation without compensation. I think the moderate vote is possibly larger than you think.
Because media told you that or because your ignorance is telling you that. Y petrol,food,electricity was better during Zuma and now it worse under your white puppet president
ANC WILL NOT STOP TILL WE ANOTHER ZIMBAWE!! SINCE 1994 I KNEW THIS WILL HAPPEN!! NEED MORE MONEY TOO STEAL! FOR RACIST REGIME!!!😢😢LIKE THE BELA BILL!! 😢😢 VIVA ANC😢
Actually, no. It means it is supported by the political actors of those parties and their followers. South Africans are typically concerned about crime, having income, finances, family, and things that people experience in their everyday lives. I also almost never see angry people in public places, and I live in a city. People generally seem to just mind their own business. If you want to know what South Africans actually want, then you should pick people at random from different places and across different cultures and over a period of a few months or a year (for seasonal patterns and systemic events) and give them the same questionnaire. Ask them to list the top 5 most important issues in the country from their perspective; ask them if EWC will be good or bad for SA, and if so, how does it rank in the list of issues they selected - assuming multiple choices with an "Other" option where they can add additional issues not listed in the default selection.
@@lemontree397 Shem, did you not participate when there were parliamentary public consultation meetings on the EWC bill? The overwhelming number of people who participated supported EWC. Are you not aware that the ANC's historical mission is to return the land to the indigenous people? Are you not aware why people joined MK or APLA. The ANC was not formed just so that people can vote.
You can then analyze the data using statistical methods to derive insights and test various hypotheses. Whatever the outcomes of the experiment, if the reality is different from what you expected, then you can reject the results of the experiment and remain in a state of cognitive dissonance, or you can align with reality, discard distorted beliefs, and learn.
@@biko8229Biko you are the hero for the unemployed, hungry black people. Land expropriation will give them a vegetable garden to plant their own food.
The public service is large, over-paid and inefficient.
Isn't the government already the single largest property and land owner? 88 000 buildings and something like 5 million hectares of farmland (enough to give every South-African a quarter of a rugby field)? Maybe start there?
Also, this will tank property prices. Who will want to own any property? Thus a massive loss in tax
It is communism
Since when do you ask a question and then answer it yourself ????
DomDoos !!!!
The problem with criminals and greed is that ENOUGH IS NEVER ENOUGH
DomDoos ....quater of a rugby field is just less than a quarter of a hectare....5mill x4= 20mill.
SA has got a population of 62mill+....
Go ask back your school funds !!!!
@@1986aurorago do the maths jou domdoos...
This is bullshit
This will collapse the government 😢
"The problem with Socialism is that you soon run out of other peoples money." Margaret Thatcher
And in the biggest capitalist country USA the dollar is weakening rapidly, they have more debt than any other country, average workers can't buy houses and rent takes most of the pay check, they can't even afford rent, they have no savings so they are living pay-check to pay-check, they need loans to pay for university and they have the biggest prison population.
@@aem870 Yet people from socialist/communist countries are risking their lives in order to escape from their socialist/communist countries. The immigration problem only goes one way..Observe the observable. Capitalism is definitely not flawless..but it is still the better option . We haven't cracked the problem yet. After a hundred years of trying to implement Communism..those countries that tried are on their knees..they only keep their citizens compliant with harsh authoritarianism. You lose the argument when you state that people in capitalist countries live from hand to mouth. . Most people in the world live from pay check to pay check..But it is possible with hard work and entrepeneurship to escape from this grind in a capitalist country. You can forget about it in a communist country.. only the top brass in the communist countries benefits.
@@aem870 So why are there such a scramble and risking of lives in order to get into a Capitalist country ...the immigration crises only goes one way. We don't see boats and dinghies crossing the sea ..or people walking through a desert and scrambling through barbed wire in order to get into a socialist/communist country.. Observe the observable...
@@aem870sounds like the whole world
@@aem870 that's due to leadership
The next ZIM
Follow the news Domkop !!!
You are saying that for the past 30years !!!!
Never. BRICS is here baby, we rather let the Russians and Chinese use the land
should Paul not be in prison ? or is he untouchable like the taxis
Splendid thank you. The IRR should head government
The ANC makes a mess of everything
Kak praat nie !!!
The ANC are not the Goverment anymore !!!!
I hope Makone heads up more discussions. She allows others to be properly heard. A very interesting video.
Makone is amazing.. She's articulate, smart and humble.. She deserves a "promotion".. On merit alone... Did I mention she's pleasing to the eye too.. ☺️
I dont want to stay in s.a anymore if this happens
Go !!!!
Because it is going to happen !!!
Please go. We olso don't want you. It not like we will feel bad that you are going
you are welcome to go home dear
Where will i go? At my age. Oh my God. Somalia 🇸🇴? RAMAPHOSA!!!!!!. I will work on phala phala.
Not enough for the cadres to "eat on" Mashatile?
Thanks Makone and crew 🤙
First restore the mineral rights that the ANC had wrongfully expropriated from the rightful owners.. You know what I'm referring to.
They worry about voters, but forget that they will lose a huge chunk of the ever shrinking tax payer base. No good will come of this.
It will help South Africa absolutely zero if the government owns all the land. Zero. Zero. Zero. Companies pollute the land. They don't build up the land values. You have to understand land values, how city and residential areas are developed, the value of property, the value of city land vs. rural land, the market incentive to beautify land.... beautiful skyscrapers, beautify residential homes etc. there's a massive difference in land values between cities and why you as a government shouldn't ever own all the land, because people will pollute the land, let it fall into disrepair... because they don't personally own the land... they don't want to invest in the land, you want private land ownership to increase land values! To increase the incentive to invest! Just because China does it and 200 other countries don't do it, doesn't it mean you have to do it here... you have to understand what you are doing, you are destroying private wealth. The market DRIVES INVESTMENT. Value creates value and an incentive to INVEST more...because it increases in value.
Really great discussion - good job Makone
Are our politicians that stupid as to risk the country's future for their own egos? Just asking.
The ANC have already expelled him!
Does this expropriation going to include the taxi routes and roads professed as belonging to them by the taxi associations as well? Seems like the taxi associations see that as an asset belonging to them, but they have not paid for those roads used by them.
Very well presented Makone. Thank you.
I hope the international interest is listening and immediately with draw all investment consideration to show these clowns the reality of function in SA cannot alloe Government steeling from people and that they should focus on providing aneconomic environment for all to florish.
Surely it should be the opposite; "foreign investment" should try and convince another course of action about repatriation of "stolen land etc." ?
@brucemcdonald8529 Secure property rights is the very foundation of investment. If politicians can expropriation without compensation, then your investment is at 100% risk from the outset, on top of any economic or commercial risks.
How to destroy investment!
Julius is spying on the IRR. 😂
The Government does not have the funds to pay.😂
Excellent show Makone!
Perhaps the ANC is piling the controversial policies up quickly (Bela bill et al) as part of a strategy to get the DA to abandon the GNU.
It’s a possibility…
Exactly
Zuma is such a joke😂
Squirrel is not strong and never will be he is a pawn, and thorn in everyones side, his term must end.
What does mean for normal residential properties
we will then be Zimbabwe are these people playing on the ignorance of the masses
Because everything else the ANC has taken control of has been successful.
Zuma is the epitome of a despot.
How can you discuss compensation when the issue is Land Expropriation without Compensation??? 🤔
Jooooooooo!!!!!!!. Zimbabwe 🇿🇼. ANC gone forever.
Government and Municipal job oportunities being public services are the majority incompetent posts because they are cadre deployments, family members and once in they move around using their connections to be elevated and the real functional people are overlooked for posts and because there is no accountability in public service and you are as incompetent as the person who manages you the public service sector in terms of growing people fails and is rather a means of spendi g tax payers money with little service provision for the tax/ rates paid.
So I must hang on to my dollars for a bit
The ANC, EFF and MKP collectively have more than 2/3 of the national vote.. If they were to put their egos aside, this is a done deal.
Thing is, there are elements in the ANC that are more DA than EFF. The moderate voters of any race who own property and are economically successful would be unlikely to go along with expropriation without compensation.
I think the moderate vote is possibly larger than you think.
All Talk and no Action 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Let me be the test case. Ey, but the MK? 😳🤣🤣🤣🤣 I don't think I'd survive😂😂😂. Even on a pretence basis.
We welcome these what was stolen must be returned back
Expropriation of land it not socialism, it justice. Land was stolen therefore returning it have nothing to do with socialism, communism or capitalism
I am sure there are a lot of us that would like to say something really personal to Paul Mashatile...
Hilarious that the MKP are unhappy about the MTB, their leader and his comrades caused the financial situation RSA is in.
Because media told you that or because your ignorance is telling you that.
Y petrol,food,electricity was better during Zuma and now it worse under your white puppet president
I suppose the Ngwenya trust will be exempt?
They should try and start with the Ingonyama Trust. That should be interesting.
ANC WILL NOT STOP TILL WE ANOTHER ZIMBAWE!! SINCE 1994 I KNEW THIS WILL HAPPEN!! NEED MORE MONEY TOO STEAL! FOR RACIST REGIME!!!😢😢LIKE THE BELA BILL!! 😢😢 VIVA ANC😢
Zuma's appeal is to perpetuate the idea that he is an unfairly persecuted loyal cadre of the struggle
Anlu Keeve😒😒
Mashitele is trying to make himself relevant
When is Mashatile going to jail.
Big thief that one.
So deep in dept due to corruption and greed that they would rather make sure there nothing left for the rats that follow
Since EWC is ANC, EFF, ATM and MKP policy, it means it is supported by the overwhelming majority of people in SA
Actually, no. It means it is supported by the political actors of those parties and their followers.
South Africans are typically concerned about crime, having income, finances, family, and things that people experience in their everyday lives.
I also almost never see angry people in public places, and I live in a city. People generally seem to just mind their own business.
If you want to know what South Africans actually want, then you should pick people at random from different places and across different cultures and over a period of a few months or a year (for seasonal patterns and systemic events) and give them the same questionnaire. Ask them to list the top 5 most important issues in the country from their perspective; ask them if EWC will be good or bad for SA, and if so, how does it rank in the list of issues they selected - assuming multiple choices with an "Other" option where they can add additional issues not listed in the default selection.
@@lemontree397 Shem, did you not participate when there were parliamentary public consultation meetings on the EWC bill? The overwhelming number of people who participated supported EWC.
Are you not aware that the ANC's historical mission is to return the land to the indigenous people? Are you not aware why people joined MK or APLA. The ANC was not formed just so that people can vote.
You can then analyze the data using statistical methods to derive insights and test various hypotheses. Whatever the outcomes of the experiment, if the reality is different from what you expected, then you can reject the results of the experiment and remain in a state of cognitive dissonance, or you can align with reality, discard distorted beliefs, and learn.
@@biko8229Biko you are the hero for the unemployed, hungry black people. Land expropriation will give them a vegetable garden to plant their own food.
@biko. Trolling again? Grow up!