@@Everythingblackpowder I have the 30" Uberti 1873 45 colt. I planned on using 40 grains 3 f black powder. But I'm wondering how 4f would work. Real blackpowder, not substitutes. Have you tried 4f blackpowder in the 45 colt cartridge ?
Black powder is practically unattainable in my area. I have seen it at a gun show and the can looked 30 years old. Catch Midway a few years ago waiving hazmat fees and bought some but not enough. So Trip 7 has been my powder of choice.
I have never seen a can in the wild in my area. I was given a vintage can of Goex that came out of a deceased man's estate, other than that it's unobtanium. Sooooooo i'm seasoning grapevine as we speak.
I have been hand loading for 46 years have 45 long colt in pistol and rifle never loaded with anything but smokeless power. Love this cartridge very accurate enjoyed this presentation
My best friend/mentor/shooting legend, has 900 yds of target shooting at his property. We so appreciate hearing people tell us how easy a few hundred yards is, or better, your handgun is no good past 25 yds. Lol. We always invite them out. Sometimes they come. Thx again. Great video and info.
Glad to see someone is trying the 3F in cartridges. I've used the 2F T7 in 38-40, 45 colt, 44 mag, and 357 in handguns and rifles, and it works, but I shoot what I load within a couple weeks. T7 attracts water and can solidify, making it sketchy for bottle neck cartridges, or it can become less potent, leaving you with a stuck bullet. In my opinion, I don't want to load cartridges for long-term storage with a very hydrophilic powder.
If you store your pyrodex ammo in a zip lock bag and put it in a ammo can with a good seal, the pyrodex loads will keep a pretty long time. I guess it also depends where you live. Some areas have higher humidity levels than other places. Still, try storing your pyrodex loads as i mentioned and see if it helps you any. It should.
Gather up some leftover desiccant bags and tape them onto surfaces where you store your ammo. Apply a bit of lacquer around the primer and case mouth, maybe?
I just know that if I don't use T7 for long-term storage in cartridges, then I don't have to worry about powder caking (daming). Even Hodgon used to have a warning about T7 caking (daming). I buy bulk desiccant silica beads off Amazon to make desiccant packs for my homemade BP. Pyrodex and BP seem to be easy enough for me to get that I don't have to rely on T7. I have a few pounds of T7 to play with, but I buy BP and Pyrodex more often and supplement my shooting with homemade.
I love Paul Harrell's 'presentations' the man is a gift to the shooting community, and a wide source of knowledge. This channel like Paul's Is top shelf in understanding Black powder propellant's as where 777 is concerned it is what it is a good quality propellent. not as good as the top end toilet paper powder. still it works and works well. Its a handy powder to keep in reserve for when your to busy to make the good stuff.
I’ve have loaded T7 ff and T7 fff (with necessary adjustments) in .38, .45colt, .45-70 & .38-55 for quite a while with same results you “presented”. In my .38-55 buffalo classic it really shines! Thank you for another great video! I would like to see a more extensive accuracy test if your feeling it. Oh! I can attest, tummies do have their ups and downs…
I like it too. It's also pretty easy to clean, faster than Go-Ex. It's expensive, that's true, but I find it's a '' hotter'' powder than Go-Ex so when I'm loading Triple 7 I'm loading lighter loads so that makes more rounds out of a pound of powder.
I load with 777 fairly often for Cowboy Action events. I don’t remember chronographing any of the maybe 5 metallic cartridges I use it in, but found best accuracy with no compression, but no airspace. I use 777 because I can use regular lead bullets with their crayon lube and load in my progressive press and powder drop. It is also very easy to clean and tolerant of missing a day to clean. The 3f leaks around my powder drop so 2f is better for that, but 3f gives a bit more energy and smoke. I do miss the proper sound and smell of Black Powder though. 😊
That notice about cartridges is because it is sensitive to air space (real black can be that way too).... It won't group well with air space in the cases because the burn is erratic and with a lot of space can be dangerously so. Real BP ignites much more easily than 777 so a little bit of air space is OK-ish with black, but not ideal. With 777, which runs best with a lightly compressed loads to give consistent velocities and smaller groups it's pretty consistent. I have used 777 in shotgun rounds, but with no air space, and in front stuffers of course, both of which which have lightly compressed charges. Of all the sub, 777 is way out in front IMHO, but that notice about cartridges was well founded. It used to be on 3f and 2f, but recently I have only seen it on 2F. I use 777 if I cannot get, or make, real BP dame charges as BP by volume....it works and it's better than not shooting.... Yes it is a wee bit 'hotter' than BP giving higher velocities, and I do wonder at the peak pressures that that entails. Measuring that would take equipment that I do not have, but the sharper recoil impulse tells me that there is a brief pressure peak considerably higher than real BP for the same velocity at the muzzle. This is no issue with modern repro arms, but it might be in a 200 year old Damascus set up..... so.....
Man i want to reload so bad, i got into loading with the lee hand loader and cant find any primers anywhere, 45 colt has always been my favorite cartridge and i love shooting bear rounds through my 454 rossi, your videos inspire me to continue in learning everything i can about the load data to continue to pursue this passion safely, thank you.
You know what it's your channel you do it anyway you want to do it and I'll watch it. The only person you have to please is yourself! Things is about to get squirrely. So stay vigilant!
LOL! if you turn on closed captioning, when your daughter speaks it says "music". Another good "presentation" on the whole 777 thing. I have not ever shot it but from your results it looks like maybe I should give it a try.
1,200 ft lbs. is nothing to sneeze At. That would make a good whitetail load. That especially in areas where rifles are restricted to straight wall cartridges.
In my opinion, powders are tools like any other tool. I got into BPCR because the Sharps in 45-70 I have seems to give its best accuracy with true black powder (swiss 1.5 to be exact). I never understood the Smokeless vs Black Powder or Black Powder vs Substitute BP arguments. My philosophy has always been, find out what works best for you and use it. I personally have an affinity for how things used to be done and trying to recover lost knowledge, so I lean toward true Black powder, but if I find a substitute that performs just as well and can be had more easily, I'm going to use it too.
Miraculous! Lol, Jake do what you must, personally my friend and I used to make fun of guys that only shot paper targets at black powder events, only harmless heckling, we found it to be boring, but realize there is alot of information can be gained from "putting it on paper " ! Do what you must do and I'll watch and poke fun! LOL
I personally love your videos, aka, presentations extremely informative as well as useful information thanks so much for taking the time to make them. Cheers from what's left of the Great White North!
Stuff works fine. I've been running it in 45 colt in Schofield and 1866 Uberti clone, and 45-70 in viintage Springfields. It does gunk up the Schofield and the 1866 pretty quick.
I'll be the guy to say that 200y freehand out of a pistol cartridge with iron sights is good shooting and I couldn't do it. Did you mention how clean/dirty it is in the gun? If so I missed it, sorry.
I need to do a side by side comparison with the 777 and real black powder. I didn’t really notice it being any different than black powder as far as fouling goes.
Love your show Looking for a load for 32 win. Spec. I can not find black powder, I did find triple 7. I liked 3031 powder with 170 gr. Flat point can't find that around here. Maybe you can give me a idea about triple 7 and 170 gr. In the 32 win spec.
I would assume as much 777 as you can stuff in there. It's probably a little hotter and a little different in behavior than real BP. With that said, .32 Win is a smokeless powder cartridge that safely operates at something like 40,000psi. I think you'd be fine with even compressed and crimped loads using 777.
From what ive seen, its pretty versatile for cartridges. Ive tried the FF in 38 spcl already. Wish i would have gotten the FFF. I think the FF will be good for the .410 I am planning to load.
I generally stick to percussion and cartridge guns. Pyrodex is easy for me to find, and I have my loads figured out with it. Plus living in an apartment making my own black would probably be frowned on by my landlord and my fiancée. As for no 777 in cartridges i think thats new. They use to publish load data for it.
Im trying to choose between a 357 and 45 lc lever action for blueberry hunting and survival. Of course i will buy a bunch of ammo but will have a lot of empty casings. What would you consider as being better for reloading with BP? (I have a lead cast for .454 round ball have no clue if that will work) I'm an avid archer and now also getting hooked on guns... Black powder route. Like your content.
Great presentation! Do you have distributors in your area that sell single containers of real BP? Also, it is interesting that the 1st shot is the only one that exceeded 1500 fps.
One thing I have noticed, your vids and others, doing chronograph tests: The first shot ALWAYS is the fastest. Is it. the cold dry barrel, the clean barrel, the Chrono waking up or the gods favor the 1st shot? Don't know why but both your vids plus others, and my own personal experience, regardless of propellant, this is the case. Good vid by the way.
Hey Jake, so I tried the Triple 7 3Fg in my 45-70 since real BP is a bugger to get ahold of in Utah. It worked really well in my Browning 1886 with a 26” barrel. I’d like to see if you can replicate my success with it. I used a 405 grain RNFP with 60 grains by volume and a .030 card between powder and bullet. My average velocity was 1485fps with a max spread of 10 and standard deviation of 3.6. Hope you find this experiment fun.
I like using triple 7 for my plinking loads, its easy to stop by the store and grab a can instead of ordering $200 worth of swiss. I save the real stuff for hunting and serious target shooting. 55gr of 2F Triple 7 under a 405gr bullet is a nice shooting round, and 35gr for my 45 colt conversion NM army and NM army carbine shoots very nice.
EBP, I agree with you on shooting paper being boring. I would be interested in the results, though. BTW that's damn good shooting in my book as well. 200-ish yards off hand 👍 Question (as always 😁) : Do just clean the barrel and bolt face after shooting BP or do you tear it down and really clean it? Oh, and ya can't call it a 'presentation' cause then you would have to change your end tag line! 😉
@@Everythingblackpowder paper targets might be boring, but for me, it gives me a general idea of accuracy. It lets me know what kind of groups to expect with a specific load. I would like to see paper results just for that reason.
Whats a load for 255 grain lead cast flat point bullet in 45. Colt for covertion cylinder. Using 777 ffg and 777 fffg load. How grains of powder charge??
@@Everythingblackpowder Heavier bullets seem preferable for blackpowder automatic fun, so I'd suggest moving up to one of the larger calibers. .300BLK would probably be enough, but .350 Legend and .450 Bushmaster would feel more "blackpowder appropriate"
Cool man. That's what I found. I did some 777 .45-70 rounds and shot them out of my 32" barreled Buffalo Classic I had. It did really well with that one also. ;) I do watch for crud rings though with 777 because that's it's one fail for me. After shooting about 60 rounds in an afternoon, I started noticing some pressure signs and hard kick and sure enough, it'd formed a crud ring just ahead of the chamber. If you use a good bronze brush and some solvent every 30 or so shots, it keeps it under control better in my finding. Did you notice any on your lever gun?
Like the honestly man, it's good to have options if anything and now I'd say 777 is at least an option. I wasn't sure having fought pyrodex corrosion for the last time, this I may try. Thanks
How dirty was it compared to Swiss? Enough that fouling would have built up enough to reduce accuracy over a larger number of shots? I have never found anything nearly as clean as Swiss, but I have never tried 777.
It definitely doesn’t seem any cleaner than Swiss. I would say Its right on par with Swiss but I would have to do a side by side comparison to be sure.
There used to be a ballistics video on the Internet, but I can’t find it anymore. I was curious if you can re-create it. It’s just a basic ballistics test of a 54cal round ball versus a cowboy bone.
NOT sucky. Like you, I found 777 to be very energetic, but with far greater ES than real black, or even some smokeless loads. Great for typical open-sight frontstuffer ranges, but no bueno for something like the Quigley Match, as vertical stringing gets exaggerated at anything much over 250 yards. But I'm hopeful you find a "magic" load that tightens up those velocity extremes...might cause me to take another look at it.
I was going to let you know before you even asked. Paper! Yes! ES means nothing if you can't group. Especially with BP or substitute. What with the fouling and whatnot. Get a bench, get some bags, and get someone that can still shoot irons. I don't care if you shoot at 25yds, most guys can figure it out. If you can't shoot 3-5 shots touching at 25yds you certainly don't need to be shooting 5" groups at 50. 45 Colt has been driving me nuts in repro lever actions. I would love to see your groups with Trip7. Oh, and Paul is probably just being precise in his wording. I mean, you didn't actually "video" this, did you? I know I didn't watch it on my VCR ;) Now go put some albums in your 5-stage CD player and think up some new presentations! LOL Thanks for the video! :)
Maybe a heavier projectile will give ya less spread. Since 777 seems to be more powerful than authentic BP, a heavier bullet might flatten the arch a bit. 🤔
I agree 👍 to my standards off hand lever action pistol cartridge at almost 200 is pretty damn good. The guys that claim that that's easy are lying. Lol I think Paul would agree with you That's pretty damn good . I'm with you though I would rather have real black powder with more consistent velocity and it's just traditional. Thank you 👍
I shot every powder known to man, I hadn't told anyone but 777. Shoots through my small calibers better than any other powder .scores the best groups..I do not know why...
Hopefully you will answer. I've just purchased 45 Colt Spencer's carbine I was wondering what type of 45 Colt bullet do you use for the proper lube for shooting out of a carbine
I will stick to real BP. It isn't nearly as corrosive as the substitutes. I have a 1858 Rem. That I shoot often but only clean maybe once a year or so. Never any rust issue. I will run a brush through the barrel when the fouling affects accuracy. This has been my test gun for Goex..BTW..I love your videos. Some of the best on the web. Carry on.
I use T7 only now in my TC Hawken and Ruger Old Army and found less corrosion than black and far less than pyrodex. I also found 80 gr.T7 gave me the same velocity as 109 gr Goex. 100 gr T7 was also blowing back the hammer on my Hawken to full cock. These charges were using the Hornady 50 cal. 400 gr. Great Plains bullet.
I bought my T7 for 9 dollars a pound at Wal Mart the first year on the market it didn't sell after deer season and I bought all they had on closeout sale .
I know it's been more than a year, but I'm wondering if you have experienced any case splitting with the 45 Colt in the rifle? I recently read an article (yes, on *PAPER!* ) that suggested it was an issue (oversized chambers) in Marlin, Rossi and even Winchester 94AE rifles. I did have a Win 94 AE in 45 Colt, and yes, they did split. Not in my Marlin - yet.
Any tips on getting my powder density up? I am corning my powder, but 40 grains by volume is weighing 32 grains (checked on 2 different scales). Using Eastern Red Cedar I charcoaled, and tumbler for 24 hours. Going to try grapevine and switching to a pvc container with ceramic media to tumble with next.
Paul is a legend
He sure is.
Paul Is golden
Even more relevant now.
Even though he passed.
Paul's videos are almost like watching 90s instructional tapes.
Paul Harrell's 'presentations' are on my routine watch list as are yours now that i've found the channel haha
Glad to hear it.
Great video. Glad to see someone testing out and going against the rules and proving it works well.
Thank you
@@Everythingblackpowder I have the 30" Uberti 1873 45 colt. I planned on using 40 grains 3 f black powder. But I'm wondering how 4f would work. Real blackpowder, not substitutes. Have you tried 4f blackpowder in the 45 colt cartridge ?
@@rationalmind6362 yes I tested it in this video
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Around the 14:00 mark. It worked very well.
@@Everythingblackpowder Thank you so much. Love the channel.
Impressive shooting!!
Thank you!
Love 777 especially in my NAA companion
Black powder is practically unattainable in my area. I have seen it at a gun show and the can looked 30 years old. Catch Midway a few years ago waiving hazmat fees and bought some but not enough. So Trip 7 has been my powder of choice.
Yea real BP is not available where I live that I can find. Have to make my own real stuff
Nothing wrong with that
I have never seen a can in the wild in my area. I was given a vintage can of Goex that came out of a deceased man's estate, other than that it's unobtanium.
Sooooooo i'm seasoning grapevine as we speak.
Grafs has it very reasonable and the more you buy, the cheaper it is.
I have been hand loading for 46 years have 45 long colt in pistol and rifle never loaded with anything but smokeless power. Love this cartridge very accurate enjoyed this presentation
Thank you
My best friend/mentor/shooting legend, has 900 yds of target shooting at his property.
We so appreciate hearing people tell us how easy a few hundred yards is, or better, your handgun is no good past 25 yds. Lol. We always invite them out. Sometimes they come.
Thx again. Great video and info.
Thank you
Thanks for understanding that getting real powder can be difficult.
Have you tried making your own.
I'm also a black powder enthusiast and a father of daughters. I resonated with your outtake at the end! Love it!
Glad to see someone is trying the 3F in cartridges. I've used the 2F T7 in 38-40, 45 colt, 44 mag, and 357 in handguns and rifles, and it works, but I shoot what I load within a couple weeks. T7 attracts water and can solidify, making it sketchy for bottle neck cartridges, or it can become less potent, leaving you with a stuck bullet. In my opinion, I don't want to load cartridges for long-term storage with a very hydrophilic powder.
If you store your pyrodex ammo in a zip lock bag and put it in a ammo can with a good seal, the pyrodex loads will keep a pretty long time. I guess it also depends where you live. Some areas have higher humidity levels than other places. Still, try storing your pyrodex loads as i mentioned and see if it helps you any. It should.
Gather up some leftover desiccant bags and tape them onto surfaces where you store your ammo.
Apply a bit of lacquer around the primer and case mouth, maybe?
I just know that if I don't use T7 for long-term storage in cartridges, then I don't have to worry about powder caking (daming). Even Hodgon used to have a warning about T7 caking (daming). I buy bulk desiccant silica beads off Amazon to make desiccant packs for my homemade BP. Pyrodex and BP seem to be easy enough for me to get that I don't have to rely on T7. I have a few pounds of T7 to play with, but I buy BP and Pyrodex more often and supplement my shooting with homemade.
I love Paul Harrell's 'presentations' the man is a gift to the shooting community, and a wide source of knowledge. This channel like Paul's Is top shelf in understanding Black powder propellant's
as where 777 is concerned it is what it is a good quality propellent. not as good as the top end toilet paper powder. still it works and works well.
Its a handy powder to keep in reserve for when your to busy to make the good stuff.
“Hogden says not to load it in a cartridge.” (Loads it anyways) “ehhh what do they know?” My day has been made 😂
I’ve have loaded T7 ff and T7 fff (with necessary adjustments) in .38, .45colt, .45-70 & .38-55 for quite a while with same results you “presented”. In my .38-55 buffalo classic it really shines! Thank you for another great video! I would like to see a more extensive accuracy test if your feeling it. Oh! I can attest, tummies do have their ups and downs…
I like it too. It's also pretty easy to clean, faster than Go-Ex. It's expensive, that's true, but I find it's a '' hotter'' powder than Go-Ex so when I'm loading Triple 7 I'm loading lighter loads so that makes more rounds out of a pound of powder.
Excellent
"I CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE COULD LIKE THAT STUFF, BUT DONT TELL ANYBODY" - Subbed right after that.
I loved the long range shots and hearing the projectiles wiz away, it's something that isn't usually heard on videos.👌🤙
Thank you
Another fine 'production' Jake, thanks for posting !
Thank you
Great presentation!
Thank you
I load with 777 fairly often for Cowboy Action events. I don’t remember chronographing any of the maybe 5 metallic cartridges I use it in, but found best accuracy with no compression, but no airspace. I use 777 because I can use regular lead bullets with their crayon lube and load in my progressive press and powder drop. It is also very easy to clean and tolerant of missing a day to clean. The 3f leaks around my powder drop so 2f is better for that, but 3f gives a bit more energy and smoke.
I do miss the proper sound and smell of Black Powder though. 😊
Glad you did this video makes me feel even better about my love of 777
It definitely kicks ass in 45 Colt
Enjoying these load tests and its peaking my Curiosity for load developments in the future. Good Stuff.
Thank you
That notice about cartridges is because it is sensitive to air space (real black can be that way too).... It won't group well with air space in the cases because the burn is erratic and with a lot of space can be dangerously so. Real BP ignites much more easily than 777 so a little bit of air space is OK-ish with black, but not ideal. With 777, which runs best with a lightly compressed loads to give consistent velocities and smaller groups it's pretty consistent.
I have used 777 in shotgun rounds, but with no air space, and in front stuffers of course, both of which which have lightly compressed charges. Of all the sub, 777 is way out in front IMHO, but that notice about cartridges was well founded. It used to be on 3f and 2f, but recently I have only seen it on 2F.
I use 777 if I cannot get, or make, real BP dame charges as BP by volume....it works and it's better than not shooting.... Yes it is a wee bit 'hotter' than BP giving higher velocities, and I do wonder at the peak pressures that that entails. Measuring that would take equipment that I do not have, but the sharper recoil impulse tells me that there is a brief pressure peak considerably higher than real BP for the same velocity at the muzzle. This is no issue with modern repro arms, but it might be in a 200 year old Damascus set up..... so.....
Almost 200yards with a pistol caliber shooting to point of aim. Very Impressive.
We thought so
@@Everythingblackpowder I suspect the drop is there. What *could* be happening, is that the cross wind is providing lift.
Man i want to reload so bad, i got into loading with the lee hand loader and cant find any primers anywhere, 45 colt has always been my favorite cartridge and i love shooting bear rounds through my 454 rossi, your videos inspire me to continue in learning everything i can about the load data to continue to pursue this passion safely, thank you.
Thank you. Glad to hear it.
Kids, may be the only thing more enjoyable than making big clouds of smoke and sometimes just as confounding.
You know what it's your channel you do it anyway you want to do it and I'll watch it. The only person you have to please is yourself! Things is about to get squirrely. So stay vigilant!
Thanks Jake really enjoyed it.
Thank you
I beg to differ, Paul is "The Legend".
LOL! if you turn on closed captioning, when your daughter speaks it says "music". Another good "presentation" on the whole 777 thing. I have not ever shot it but from your results it looks like maybe I should give it a try.
Enjoy you presentation!😊
Thank you
1,200 ft lbs. is nothing to sneeze At. That would make a good whitetail load. That especially in areas where rifles are restricted to straight wall cartridges.
Always enjoy your content 👍🏻
Thank you
You need to try black horn 209. That's some amazing stuff too. And thank you for all the content and keep it coming.
Thank you
Well done. Thanks
Thank you
Nice presentation. I guise I now know what I'm useing if I get into cartridges.
Thank- you
Thank you
Thank you for this test. We don't love 777, but it is all I can get easily around my area.
Fair enough
Great video and enjoy the last part. They grow up to fast
Thank you
In my opinion, powders are tools like any other tool. I got into BPCR because the Sharps in 45-70 I have seems to give its best accuracy with true black powder (swiss 1.5 to be exact). I never understood the Smokeless vs Black Powder or Black Powder vs Substitute BP arguments. My philosophy has always been, find out what works best for you and use it. I personally have an affinity for how things used to be done and trying to recover lost knowledge, so I lean toward true Black powder, but if I find a substitute that performs just as well and can be had more easily, I'm going to use it too.
Excellent, thanks for your great videos!!!
Great video, I've been loading 45 Colt cartridges with Blackhorn 209 with good results.
Thank you for another great video.
Thanks Karl
Miraculous! Lol, Jake do what you must, personally my friend and I used to make fun of guys that only shot paper targets at black powder events, only harmless heckling, we found it to be boring, but realize there is alot of information can be gained from "putting it on paper " ! Do what you must do and I'll watch and poke fun! LOL
Great video, I am going to have to try it with the Triple 7 I have.
I like it just the way you do it !!!!😃
Thanks
Great video. Nothing like being a parent man. But grandparenting is even more fun.
I will have to try it In my 38 spl re loads. Very cool always enjoy your presentations. Paul Harrell is also a great channel.
Thank you
nice test i could use it in my 44 mag like the 777 but don t like the pyrodex
I personally love your videos, aka, presentations extremely informative as well as useful information thanks so much for taking the time to make them. Cheers from what's left of the Great White North!
What do you like so much about black powder? What characteristics?
Stuff works fine. I've been running it in 45 colt in Schofield and 1866 Uberti clone, and 45-70 in viintage Springfields. It does gunk up the Schofield and the 1866 pretty quick.
I must admit, however, that IMR 3031 in the Springfields produces way tighter groups.
I'll be the guy to say that 200y freehand out of a pistol cartridge with iron sights is good shooting and I couldn't do it. Did you mention how clean/dirty it is in the gun? If so I missed it, sorry.
I need to do a side by side comparison with the 777 and real black powder. I didn’t really notice it being any different than black powder as far as fouling goes.
Love your show
Looking for a load for 32 win. Spec. I can not find black powder, I did find triple 7. I liked 3031 powder with 170 gr. Flat point can't find that around here. Maybe you can give me a idea about triple 7 and 170 gr. In the 32 win spec.
I would assume as much 777 as you can stuff in there. It's probably a little hotter and a little different in behavior than real BP. With that said, .32 Win is a smokeless powder cartridge that safely operates at something like 40,000psi.
I think you'd be fine with even compressed and crimped loads using 777.
From what ive seen, its pretty versatile for cartridges. Ive tried the FF in 38 spcl already. Wish i would have gotten the FFF. I think the FF will be good for the .410 I am planning to load.
I think the 3F would perform well in a 38spl or 38 long Colt.
I generally stick to percussion and cartridge guns. Pyrodex is easy for me to find, and I have my loads figured out with it. Plus living in an apartment making my own black would probably be frowned on by my landlord and my fiancée.
As for no 777 in cartridges i think thats new. They use to publish load data for it.
Im trying to choose between a 357 and 45 lc lever action for blueberry hunting and survival.
Of course i will buy a bunch of ammo but will have a lot of empty casings. What would you consider as being better for reloading with BP? (I have a lead cast for .454 round ball have no clue if that will work)
I'm an avid archer and now also getting hooked on guns... Black powder route. Like your content.
Another great "presentation"😆👍 As to that stuff, the price is going to have to come down considerably before it's good in my book.
Great presentation! Do you have distributors in your area that sell single containers of real BP? Also, it is interesting that the 1st shot is the only one that exceeded 1500 fps.
One thing I have noticed, your vids and others, doing chronograph tests: The first shot ALWAYS is the fastest. Is it. the cold dry barrel, the clean barrel, the Chrono waking up or the gods favor the 1st shot? Don't know why but both your vids plus others, and my own personal experience, regardless of propellant, this is the case. Good vid by the way.
I hadn’t noticed.
Hey Jake, so I tried the Triple 7 3Fg in my 45-70 since real BP is a bugger to get ahold of in Utah. It worked really well in my Browning 1886 with a 26” barrel. I’d like to see if you can replicate my success with it. I used a 405 grain RNFP with 60 grains by volume and a .030 card between powder and bullet. My average velocity was 1485fps with a max spread of 10 and standard deviation of 3.6. Hope you find this experiment fun.
Paul is the man ❤
Well Paul's pretty fancy despite his varied jacket choices :)
Great shootin’ at almost 200 yards ( OK, 192) offhand, with a carbine.
Thank you
I like using triple 7 for my plinking loads, its easy to stop by the store and grab a can instead of ordering $200 worth of swiss. I save the real stuff for hunting and serious target shooting. 55gr of 2F Triple 7 under a 405gr bullet is a nice shooting round, and 35gr for my 45 colt conversion NM army and NM army carbine shoots very nice.
I know you meant, "your own damn presentation".
So manufectured powder more powerful then homemade?
Yes but this is a substitute, it’s not the same as black powder
EBP, I agree with you on shooting paper being boring. I would be interested in the results, though. BTW that's damn good shooting in my book as well. 200-ish yards off hand 👍
Question (as always 😁) : Do just clean the barrel and bolt face after shooting BP or do you tear it down and really clean it?
Oh, and ya can't call it a 'presentation' cause then you would have to change your end tag line! 😉
If I just shoot 18 or 24 rounds I don’t usually tear the entire thing down.
@@Everythingblackpowder paper targets might be boring, but for me, it gives me a general idea of accuracy. It lets me know what kind of groups to expect with a specific load. I would like to see paper results just for that reason.
Agree it would be interesting 2 see in this case.
Impressive👍 Shooting, only thing missing was the old thumb/tong/barrel gesture 😁😁😁😎🤙
Good video
humm, interesting, wonder how it would work in my oiginal 1873 Winchester . Cal 38 WCF. something to think about.
I would start light on an original firearm like that.
RIP Paul!
Whats a load for 255 grain lead cast flat point bullet in 45. Colt for covertion cylinder. Using 777 ffg and 777 fffg load. How grains of powder charge??
I run 40gr of 3F swiss with a 250gr lfp hrough my dragoon with a a conversion cylinder. I think 35gr of 777 would be okay
Awesome video
Thank you
Been using Triple 7 2f in 410 goes bang and shoots pellets out the barrel,better than nothing.
Did the cases show any signs of high pressures? Great video.
Yes, the primers were more flattened out.
So I guess that means not something for a steady diet.
Grate bit of info
What velocities do you get with 40gr Swiss out of that rifle?
1350s
🤔🤔🤔 now ya got me thinking blk powder 5.56 ? In a pinch it should work. I’m asking your opinion.
I’ve tried it with 3F Swiss and it didn’t function. It would be worth a try with the 777
@@Everythingblackpowder Heavier bullets seem preferable for blackpowder automatic fun, so I'd suggest moving up to one of the larger calibers.
.300BLK would probably be enough, but .350 Legend and .450 Bushmaster would feel more "blackpowder appropriate"
Cool man. That's what I found. I did some 777 .45-70 rounds and shot them out of my 32" barreled Buffalo Classic I had. It did really well with that one also. ;) I do watch for crud rings though with 777 because that's it's one fail for me. After shooting about 60 rounds in an afternoon, I started noticing some pressure signs and hard kick and sure enough, it'd formed a crud ring just ahead of the chamber. If you use a good bronze brush and some solvent every 30 or so shots, it keeps it under control better in my finding. Did you notice any on your lever gun?
No but I only loaded 20 or so
Like the honestly man, it's good to have options if anything and now I'd say 777 is at least an option. I wasn't sure having fought pyrodex corrosion for the last time, this I may try. Thanks
How dirty was it compared to Swiss? Enough that fouling would have built up enough to reduce accuracy over a larger number of shots? I have never found anything nearly as clean as Swiss, but I have never tried 777.
It definitely doesn’t seem any cleaner than Swiss. I would say Its right on par with Swiss but I would have to do a side by side comparison to be sure.
aahh the end of that presentation , you gotta love it lol ,,cheers big ears from down under #CASHisKING #noCBDC
Very very impressive. That would be a good hunting or self defense round . Would never have though of it.
If pyrodex is the only powder you have for 45 colt, then thats not too bad at all.
@@blueduck9409There is a big difference between Pyrodex and Triple 7. Pyrodex is less powerful and far more corrosive than Triple 7.
very good performance at nearly 200 yards with a .45 Long Colt.
.45 Long Colt factory ammo in my Henry Big Boy is Slow and drops quickly.
Quit buying Cowboy loads .Get some Buffalo Bore or load your own. Cowboy loads are very weak.
There used to be a ballistics video on the Internet, but I can’t find it anymore. I was curious if you can re-create it. It’s just a basic ballistics test of a 54cal round ball versus a cowboy bone.
I used to shoot triple 7 in my revolvers until I started making my own black powder.
NOT sucky. Like you, I found 777 to be very energetic, but with far greater ES than real black, or even some smokeless loads. Great for typical open-sight frontstuffer ranges, but no bueno for something like the Quigley Match, as vertical stringing gets exaggerated at anything much over 250 yards. But I'm hopeful you find a "magic" load that tightens up those velocity extremes...might cause me to take another look at it.
Great Googly Moogly you're a mad lad. I feel like such a little girl for just re loading 12 gage for my single shot. Its a hit at the skeet range
I was going to let you know before you even asked. Paper! Yes!
ES means nothing if you can't group. Especially with BP or substitute. What with the fouling and whatnot.
Get a bench, get some bags, and get someone that can still shoot irons. I don't care if you shoot at 25yds, most guys can figure it out. If you can't shoot 3-5 shots touching at 25yds you certainly don't need to be shooting 5" groups at 50.
45 Colt has been driving me nuts in repro lever actions. I would love to see your groups with Trip7.
Oh, and Paul is probably just being precise in his wording. I mean, you didn't actually "video" this, did you? I know I didn't watch it on my VCR ;)
Now go put some albums in your 5-stage CD player and think up some new presentations! LOL
Thanks for the video! :)
Thank you
Maybe a heavier projectile will give ya less spread. Since 777 seems to be more powerful than authentic BP, a heavier bullet might flatten the arch a bit. 🤔
I agree 👍 to my standards off hand lever action pistol cartridge at almost 200 is pretty damn good. The guys that claim that that's easy are lying. Lol I think Paul would agree with you That's pretty damn good . I'm with you though I would rather have real black powder with more consistent velocity and it's just traditional. Thank you 👍
Thank you
Little kids are so damn funny 😂 great content, I sometimes use 777 for shotguns, work really good in them also.
I shot every powder known to man, I hadn't told anyone but 777. Shoots through my small calibers better than any other powder .scores the best groups..I do not know why...
Hopefully you will answer. I've just purchased 45 Colt Spencer's carbine I was wondering what type of 45 Colt bullet do you use for the proper lube for shooting out of a carbine
I will stick to real BP. It isn't nearly as corrosive as the substitutes. I have a 1858 Rem. That I shoot often but only clean maybe once a year or so. Never any rust issue. I will run a brush through the barrel when the fouling affects accuracy. This has been my test gun for Goex..BTW..I love your videos. Some of the best on the web. Carry on.
I use T7 only now in my TC Hawken and Ruger Old Army and found less corrosion than black and far less than pyrodex. I also found 80 gr.T7 gave me the same velocity as 109 gr Goex. 100 gr T7 was also blowing back the hammer on my Hawken to full cock. These charges were using the Hornady 50 cal. 400 gr. Great Plains bullet.
I bought my T7 for 9 dollars a pound at Wal Mart the first year on the market it didn't sell after deer season and I bought all they had on closeout sale .
Great video keep it up
I know it's been more than a year, but I'm wondering if you have experienced any case splitting with the 45 Colt in the rifle?
I recently read an article (yes, on *PAPER!* ) that suggested it was an issue (oversized chambers) in Marlin, Rossi and even Winchester 94AE rifles.
I did have a Win 94 AE in 45 Colt, and yes, they did split. Not in my Marlin - yet.
That's pretty darn good shootin.
Thank you
Any tips on getting my powder density up?
I am corning my powder, but 40 grains by volume is weighing 32 grains (checked on 2 different scales).
Using Eastern Red Cedar I charcoaled, and tumbler for 24 hours. Going to try grapevine and switching to a pvc container with ceramic media to tumble with next.
Try pressing it twice. After it’s pucked break it up and press it again. That usual takes care of it
Will give that a shot! Thanks so much!
Also try leaving it in the press under compression for a minute or two.
Jake, have you ever shot any Blackhorn? It is supposed to be superior to anything else out there.
Never tried it.