🧢 GAIJIN SAID THIS VEHICLE WAS UNDERPERFORMING? 🧢 - KV-1E in War Thunder
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- The KV-1E in War Thunder is a Rank 3 Heavy Tank that has always caused issues. This absolute monster has 100mm of armor pretty much all round and because it's only Battle Rating 4.0 it means it can face many vehicles that don't stand a chance of putting a dent in it.
The KV-1E is practically a Tiger Tank that sits at a lower Battle Rating with a worse cannon. What's better about this, though... is the armour overlaps giving it some serious volumetric protection.
You absolutely do not want to face this thing head on at low tier! The unfortunate truth is, this vehicle gets spammed out by stats padders which makes life tough for new players!
Today, we play the KV-1E to see how well it underperforms!
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IS THIS THE MOST AWKWARD FIGHT IN WAR THUNDER HISTORY? I HOPE THAT BRUMMBAR IS OK!
Indeed
Yes, most definitely.
I think is good in 5 br too
ive got it and club with it
Yo can you please play the f4u 4b in ground skrike and also that fight was cool
F in chat for Brummbar - he truly gave it all
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He played it like a sumo wrestler lmao
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Tbf frontally the brummbar has the same armor thickness as the kv 1e which is annoying for most other tanks in this br range
They fought for fuckin 4 minutes lmao
Boggles my mind that anyone could claim the KV-1E isn't busted
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A wild spooky boy has appeared
Soviet cucks gonna cuck. God forbid they have to ever play a tank that's balanced and requires more than a single brain cell
yummy solid shot moment
If you're not careful, Gaijin will use the footage of your fight with the Brummbar as proof it's underperforming. After all, wasting half your ammo on one tank should be solely a British problem, obviously.
French solid shot has entered the chat.
Skill issue?
@@ITzzMike96 ofc
And that Crusader wounding his gunner.
Gaijin loves bullying british players
*laughs in british solid shot*
*Meets a kv1e in game*
*Shoots at front plate*
*Shell shattered*
*Bruh*
Playing Britain is where you went wrong
hur hur shoots angled plate instead of flat plate and gets mad when it does nothing
After slogging up to 5.3, I gave up on the Brits when I had 4 shattered APDS shells out of the 77mm on the Comet in one match. Literally the proverbial last straw.
The irony being that if these plates were overhardened the same way many of the T34 plates were then the armour would be the thing that shattered.
*angry simpiet noises slowly getting louder*
I gotta go...
@@Ws_minion this is a video game sir.
It's funny how they kept up BR'ing the Jumbo 75 but they never touched this tank.
It used to be 4.3, then dropped to 4.0
Yeah. Essentially, the only thing i can thing the sherman has is less then 10mm of pen and stab. Even then, if it was russian, 4.7.
@@blu5021 and massively worse side armour. First time it got shot in the side by a puma it would get dropped to 4.3.
Because it sits in 2 major nations tree as an OP premium. What else do you expect. Remember the B variant ain’t even a different variant it’s the exact same tank.
@@Ws_minion assuming you mean the KV-1, so i am just going to say volumetric hell
That poor Brummbar gave one heck of a fight for being totally abandoned to fight on their own.
The 2 teamates that helped him but died 0_0
You know something is broken when a tank can be looking at you side on and your first reaction is "Oh I'm in no danger"
i sweat when going on back turret shots on the kv1 dude. this thing should be at 5.0. Its literally a jumbo with some downsides
@@caralho5237 its a jumbo with an easy mode lineup to back it up and usually easy mode Germany to help it.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 blessed be the small children German mains.
How I feel shooting at t-34s from above with .50s / 20s
I am here just to see how badly Odd struggled in this super underperforming tank. I hope he did get too frustrated lol.
Clearly underperforming. May need to be dropped down to 3.7.
@@mclouj 3.7? Are you crazy!
2.3 is where it should properly be...
And KV-1C in 4.3 seems interesting & not oVeR PoWeReD at all. 😂
underperforming by the average player
That brummbar fight was the funnest one ive seen in a long time. Wish there were more of those fights!
I was expecting crew getting out and throwing shovels to eachbother 😊
@JustFly Definitely sounds like an Enlisted moment, Lol.
Probably wasn't so funny for him as he just sat there being crippled for 3+ minutes
@@MALICEM12 It's understandable. I'm a bit of a Brummbär main, and whenever I don't get an automatic kill or get shot in barrel, it definitely hurts more than it usually would
The idea that is underperforming shows how gaijin will say some of the most absurd things and expect us to believe it.
the idea that this is underperforming shows that statistical balancing doesnt work, never has in the last 8 years, and never will.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 exactly.
Soviet T-72 is underperforming out it at 6.7
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 there's literally no other way to balance besides statistical. What is your algorithm for determining a tank's "actual abilities" that doesn't use match results? That's right you don't have one. So that means your version is "just squint at a tank and balance it based on vague emotions". Which isn't balanced at all.
I swear, if this was French, it would easily be sitting at top tier, they would introduce rank 8 for it
theyd do the same shit if it was American. fucking thing would be the first 14.0 tank.
Probably 5.3 if it was french
real
the french are the most schizo balanced tree I have ever seen, a couple of disgustingly good vehicles at low BR for their effectiveness surrounded by hordes of crap that is way over tiered. weirdest one by far when I played was the 4.3 AMX-13 with the FL-11 (98mm of pen IIRC). it was barely any better than an M24
As a USA main at the 5.3-6.0 BR, every tank feels like it's under performing.
Yea USA vehicles at that br are just way over tiered
all you face is tigers/panthers/tiger2s every match
Dude what are you talking about?
Both the M18 and Jumbo are excellent vehicles and even the 76 Shermans are good if you know what you're doing.
Oh and let's not forget both Jackson variants.
I think I’m gonna defect to russia
tell that to JP tech tree.
respect to the brummbar for trying its best
Hat's off to the Brumbar, what a trooper he tried his best
Let's not forget that Churchill with the 75 that is less armored and also slower is actually 4.3
tbf it has the 75mm M3 from the Sherman, so I mean, partially justified, would be better to be at 4.0 though
@@TheT-90thatstaresintoyoursoulseveral british tanks have the same gun with removed filler
The Dance of the Doom-Bär was priceless. Full commitment! 👏🏻 😂
Imagine the chaos if you could have mixed Lineups. Kv-1B and Kv-1E
I believe every KV-1B and KV-1E player has a ton of backups put in these tanks
@@BluevesPLDon’t forget that like 75% have bushes
The KV-1E should go up to 4.7 at least, i've suffered way too much to it in uptiers.
I think everyone that has fought it can agree with me.
lol the gun on this is too bad to be at 4,7 and the armor at this rank will be paper . the gun only have 80 mm of pen and at 4.7 it will face tiger 1 and panther ... dont make sense
@@TheJimyyy Most people that i’ve seen that have the vehicle in their service record have a 2kd ratio minimum and i’ve seen people with a 5kd ratio plus easily in the KV-1E. The armor on the KV-1E is 100mms everywhere, easy af to angle not to mention it’s spaced which helps it.
After some thought 4.3 would definitely be a better br for it than 4.0 and 4.7.
@@sesameoil0009 i have it and is not invincible . i have around 3.5 kd ratio whit it and 75% win rate . if you down tier it will do very well but in a middle br game or down tier when you face 5.0 the armor is nothing most gun you face can pen it and angling it dont prevent you from dying it have weak spot and a good player will know them . and because the gun have only 88mm of pen you need be at close range and even there it have trouble to pen a lot of stuff . this tank cant even pen a sherman from the front when the sherman can
@@TheJimyyy This ^
@@sesameoil0009 4.3 seems fair to me. Basically a zis-5 with better armor but a worse gun.
"Underperforming"
Literally babysitting the whole team and keeping the bad men away and letting them sleep safe and soundly like the BABYS they are
This may shock you, are you sitting down? ...oddbawz is not an average skill player. Underperforming refers to average players.
The fact that they can describe this tank as under-performing is crazy. I explicitly remember a match from *months* ago like it was yesterday because our entire team was getting stomped by a single KV-1E and it wasn't until late-game that I managed to get a lucky shot on it.
I bet the F-4S underperforms too. Seems like about one every single match crashes on takeoff. Gotta bring the average down.
Fact is though with a helmet mounted display, pulse doppler radar, and 4 to 6 sparrows, you shouldn’t have any trouble trading positive even against mig23s and F-16s.
they most likely refer to average player performance in the tank, but i honestly cant see how people perform bad in such a tank, even if the player using it sucks
It's just an objective fact, how can it be "Crazy"? Players who play it win > 50% of the time = underperforming. Just because someone with 20,000 hours or whatever like oddbawz can do super well in it doesn't mean the average player does.
Su-122 at 2.3 is just criminal. It can face reserve vehicles, and its front armor is almost impossible to pen with anything at its tier.
As a Russian main i agree.
Has a match on time, i literally bounced shots of 6 guys for 5 minutes after I spawn pushed them, managed to kill 2 before the match ended
The one and only joy facing it is penning them with Swedish 37mm APDS and almost being able to hear them screaming.
It used to be higher right? Until gaijin decided all TD’s are under performing and lowered just about every TD.
I guess it’s not new player friendly so they do not perform well in it. But any play that can figure out how to take advantage of its armour at such a low BR will do well in it.
@@corsairsofnarshaddaa I love sniping French heavy's with that early APDS. The B1's think "Nobody can stop me" and PING, PING, PING, back to hangar! The sloped Su-122 tends to bounce a lot though. I had that 45mm armor pen a 200 pen APCR with almost no angle. Stallinium. Only the finest.
Play it a while and you'll learn how to kill it. I ❤ derps, but most players can't cope with the reload.
4:22 that Chaffee is basically me dying to the kv1 every game :)
What i find interesting is that the B1 Bis (and especially TER) used to be in this exact situation. Big fat armor, but with a pretty weak gun. So, it was severely under tiered just like the KV1E. However, the B1 was up tiered by almost an entire BR, making it far less OP, and especially in uptiers when it struggle A LOT. Meanwhile, in Russia Land, the KV1E still sits at a very, very confortable BR.
That does not seems fair to me tbh
The fact that the Churchill 75 is .3 BR higher than the KV-1E is a travesty.
but the B1's guns basically couldnt do shit. the KV-1's gun isnt really weak. Didnt see it struggle with anything that other tanks dont already struggle with. Yes its a Weak gun compared to some others but its usable. Similar to the US 75mm. It is no where near being a struggle bus like the 75mm is above 4.7.
French solid shot is a whole ‘nother level of pain though. And I don’t mean on the receiving end, either.
@@robertgaudet7407 well to be fair the B1 is using APHE. France stops seeing them more at around 5.0, with the arrival of post world war designs
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 bro as a main russia ur not right. Kv-1 weapon is kind of shit.
78mm penetration FROM ZERO METERS.
He can kill the third rank only if he is lucky or on the sides.
Despite all the crying in the comments, I think it's balanced (its circular armor is really good).
this tank is really just crazy that it is at 4.0 ti should seriously be at like 4.3 or 4.7
From one old man to another, thank you for what you do. Your vids keep my mind off of my troubles and make me laugh when I really need to. Keep up the good work brother!!!
That Brummbar put up a good brawl, refused to die until both tracks and barrel were gone
Fairly Speaking Bawz, you've got enough skill that makes truly awful machines do really well.
Fight with brumbar be like:
Non-pen
Non-pen
Non-pen
Non-pen
Non-pen
Non-pen
Non-pen
Non-pen
Hey odd love the content, could you possibly take a locust to top tier. Mad fun yes, maximum annoyance to the enemy, also yes
The locust is literally my favorite tank for meming people
M22 is the best tank in the game, I will accept no substitute.
Ironically, it’s gun is basically identical to the KV1E but with no explosive filler.
@@alphastronghold715 no its not
@@caralho5237 Not the best in the game or not identical to the KV? They both have the same 86mm pen with a pretty close reload rate.
I had a 2:1 kill ratio with this back when I didn't have a 2:1 ratio in ANYTHING. I probably would have quit WT if not for the KV1E. It was a great vehicle to go back and learn in when I had gotten all the way to 8.3 and was really struggling with everything and my play was awful.
I just go back and play my M22 at 9.0+ whenever that happens. It’s so much more fun when you’re not worrying about the consequences of dying and losing 10K per tank while only needing to get one kill to be successful. 20K, even after the nerfs, at a max price tag of 404 SL is a lot more rewarding to pull off. Especially since you have to be SO smart about it as you’re fighting vastly better opponents at the highest tiers of play.
I just got a 16 kill 1 death game on fire arc in this. If this thing gets downtiered and you get to a defenceable position this thing is so easy to play its funny. Edit to add: i only died because by the end of the game they were all hiding in their spawn so i rushed them for the lols
the KV-1E is one of my favorite and most played tanks. It's incredibly good and so much fun.
Best purchase ever for me with the PT76-57
If I had a nickel for every time Odd says, "I'm dead for sure", then proceeds to go on a 10 kill streak...
Well, that guy using the doombär looks like he knew what he was doing. Was fun to watch!
I think a good comparison is the Black Prince:
Same armour ~100mm on Turret front and sides
KV-1 has better mobility (its backwards gear is nearly as good as the Black Prince's best forward gear)
Gun is arguably better for its BR on the KV (it oneshots nearly everything it pens vs. Black Prince can pen nearly everything at most angles without doing big damage)
I guess the KV-1 should be 2.0 BR lower.
YES I can already tell this will totally underperform so much that it will die instantly* :) the extra armor is just ridiculous. 37mm cannons basically can’t kill it at all
1:57 bizarre indeed
*not
I swear the russian 76 and 85mm does not get affected by volumetric. The amount of BS shots I get with those guns on tanks are hilarious.
Panther gun mantlet tho
that brumm's last stand against you was the funniest thing I've seen all day
thx oddbawz and brummels
That battle between you and brumbar and several enemies with barely any backup, is most intense and yet humorous thing. That whole thing look like scene from anime tank series ‘girls und panzer’. Those moments you play in kv-1 and get moments like that make war thunder enjoyable and fun playing tanks.
KV-1E players be like "please don't uptier us! we're already struggling where we are! we can't pen everything from the front! we have it so hard!"
I played this tank to get the required “adamant” awards. It did take a little bit of time, but I got there relatively quickly. This thing could definitely go to 4.3-4.7. It is a bit better now that all panzer 4 variants are below it, but I still got near 10 kill matches pretty consistently.
Yeah it could go down so i could get more than 10 kills a game woo is me 😭😭😭. Shut up 2 wit and be grateful you get 10 kills a game with a broken tank that is fine where it is.
Ladles and jelly spoons combined with the delivery made me crack up, cheers odd
That Brummbär just pestering you without dying for all that time like an armored cockroach was hilarious
Sherman’s: hello kv1E
Germany early ww2 tanks : we’re dead
M6a1 and t14 : hello there
German tanks : oh shit we’re even more dead .. no no no my barrel and track . P.s American Sherman’s have a quicker reload in ace crew or expert crew 5 seconds reload
I’m in two minds. I actually like the challenge of taking out a heavier target. It may be rewarded the same in game but the satisfaction is greater.
If I wanted to play easy mode, we would all be in the same Sherman.
Like fighting a glorious MAUS - could be the highlight on a battle (although the MAUS is done dirty by the high pen rounds).
but when everyone can grab a heavy tank, slap some bushes on it and destroy you, then the game stops being any fun at all.
the kv1 spam is only getting worse
Fighting a tank duel against a Maus would be very fun if you were just fighting the Maus. But when you have to fight it like a f*cking dark souls boss or shadow of the colossus hunt and some asshole pops around the corner in a Puma and just shoots you in the face (instskilling you because bullsh*t) while you’re trying to get around beside it for the finishing blow, it’s just frustrating.
I’d rather just bring my damn CEV and one shot the bitch to just get it over with.
@@caralho5237 don’t forget this applies to other vehicles. I mean the M4 105 was at 2.7, MENTAL!. A 5.0 hull against people with reserve tier tanks in there line up. Unfortunately it’s just the game - we either have to find the fun in it or move on to another game, lots of goodies out there. I love taking my 3.3 Achilles out when I see I’m against Russia and putting a few holes in an expensive KV1E 😆
For me the fun thing is it make you adapt - you see your against Russia, likely KV1E, you will likely need to flank a key point and take out a TD for your first vehicle but I appreciate I’m not the majority.
@@BombatGeneral The 105 was much more killable than the kv1 though because you can kill it from the side and rear
@@caralho5237 The KV-1E is no exception to that. The turret neck is an easy pen from the rear, and the sides have standard KV-1 armour in the area in the middle of the tracks. And if the KV-1E is facing Germany, like it does 90% of the time, their long 75mms cut through its armour like butter. It gets one shot by Pz.IVs easily.
13:30 casually ignores the fact that what he is doing in that very moment is the reason why lol
Can you imagine playing a match with a four stack all using the KV-1E? You'd be unstoppable as long as you didn't stay close enough to allow for a CAS multi-kill.
All kinds of things can kill KV1Es, you should always have big strong bonk TDs in your lineup for just such an occasion. If a similarly skilled 4 squad on the other side all had marders, they could wipe them just as easily right back. Or any of the big HE things like the trumpet boi. These are all 1 tap lolpens. And yes slow and only a rifle caliber coax makes it very weak to cas
"Russian bias doesn't exist" - every Russia main that's just lying to make sure russian tanks never get balanced and they actually have to play something that requires skill
Couldnt stop laughing when the brum started chasing you
The HEAT round bouncing in the thumbnail got me 😂
That Brummbär fight was the silliest thing I've seen in a while
that brumbar: "I SHALL FIGHT UNTIL MY LAST DYING BREATH"
Hear me out, do some panzer 3 content! There is virtually no content across my TH-camrs on my favorite early BR vehicles !
"A church Sherman" don't know why I found that so funny🤣
Justice for Brummbär (at least give the man a consolation prize, he did his best)
One can only aspire to show as much commitment as that Brummbär.
poor brummbär you shouldve given him mercy
Brummbar was so cute trying his absolute best to not show his side haha
You are single handedly turning that vehicle stats around into an overperforming one! :D
Bro the Brummbar 1v1 was like watching two slow old men having a fight 💀
Also: holy hell both of you twos team mates where sooo bad. Your team mates where not existent, and the poor Brummbars team mates contributed almost nothing, either being just absolutely clueless, or just not doing anything even though you where literally stationary, pinned to a tree, breach out and shooting at you using the panzer 4, which has a fantastic cannon.
As much as I hate premium vehicles in the game that Brummbar player did the best he could. Respect
Classic Gaijin "StAtIsTiCs"
T14: 4.7 with a 75mm cannon that has similar performance and less armor overall and a squishy turret
KV-1E/B: 4.0 with frontal tiger armor, extra side plates that make it volumetric hell and a russian 76mm that has some Absurd shell normalization
Seems Balanced to me
yes it is because the T14 players win more often at 4.7 than KV1Es do. How? Doesn't matter, they just do. Ask them. Stop winning so much if you want lower BR tanks.
Damn the battle between 2 *UNDERPERFORMING* vehicles in the first game shows why both the Brum and 1E should go down in BR.
The KV-1E especially is *UNDERPERFORMING* at the current BR as seen by the fact you actually got hit by shells that penetrated your armor a couple of times.
Okay that hold on A in the first match was one of the most disrespectful things I’ve ever seen
"Roght hes got a fast reload so we have to take careof him qui- oh hes dead"
Yup.
Certified Baws moment.
Thumbnail is god tier dude!
7:32 "Two idiots fighting each other" awesome video
That Brummbar is Oddbawz sleep paralysis demon.
I was waiting for this, haha
I love watching your videos. They make me want to play warthunder when my motivation is low, and they always make me laugh
This vehicle made me think "If you can't beat them... Join them" Stalinium armor is strong on this tank
that brumbar should be rewarded well because of his determination.
14:24 well you made the church Sherman pretty holy. Hah...hah...hah
Yess new video like ur content keep it upp Odd💪🏻🏴
How nobody showed up and removed that kv1 with cas boggles my mind
Kv1E/B die hard defenders: this thing's gun is weak, cant pen anything!
Kv1E/B gun: has the magical mad angle penning soviet APHEBC...
As a german main these things are the bane of my fucking existence. Almost every death for the past week has been to one of these guys. The flat front turret spots are protected by *gajin moments* too and only register 1/2 the time.
That Brummbar is my spirit anaimal lmao that was great
I would pay money to hear that Brummbar's comms after he pinned you in place and that P4 never shot out your barrel or moved up to get a better angle XDDD
This thing is only 4.0, but jumbo 76w has to be 6.3 so it can just get destroyed by ATGM's and heat shells. Excellent job snail
The fact that 8mins+ went by with no one going to A from your team proves that Germany suffers
This video proves the KV-1E is under performing. Odd didn't drop a 15+ kill game in either of these matches
Epic battle of a kv-1e vs the brummbar
That Brummbar REALLY tried his best 😀
The ridiculousness of this tank aside, my god, those teammates at 14:00 ! They could have went to A and caught all the enemies in there from behind, but instead they pushed the spawn and died. I literally cringed watching them die while their team was bleeding tickets. Funnily enough, the other team actually did the same thing at the C cap and died too. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think bad teams like this are just as bad of a problem as economy in this game, if not worse.
Thought I was alone with that issue, it always seems like as soon as you're winning, whole team decides: "we're winning, and that's cool, but what if we win just that little bit harder?" and instead completely throw the whole game :C.
That was a whole lot of serious underperformance
That Brummbar following you was really funny 😂😂
That Brummbar's team absolutely failed that man.
Wait wait wait wait…they claim this thing is balanced at 4.0 because it has a gun that’s slightly better than the M22’s? The same M22 that I can and have used to kill LEOPARD 2s?!
Gaijin, you’re not fooling anyone.
I love how the KV-1 zis-5 is 0.3 brs higher than this, even though it has less armor, nice fun game gaijin
Whit better gun
@@Cheesycat0 better gun my ass, the only difference is that the tech tree one gets a shell with 10mms more pen and less explosive filler and really its not that much of a game changer. Also the apcr isnt that helpful either
@@Cheesycat0 and way worse armor
The problem is the performance is rarely the tank stats and more the player
I see a common trend
-good players make people hate tank
-Claim vehicle needs to be pushed up
-Acknowledge that it can't do much if pushed up
-justify pushing it up by claiming it will be an excuse for BR decompression
-acknowledge that decompression is the least likely thing to happen
-tank becomes nearly useless for most and not fun to play
-tank stays at higher BR because there aren't enough players to get it to go down again
-tanks get introduced that make it even less fun to play
-justify its position by a single characteristic
-ignore every other vehicle with same type of problem, because community doesn't hate them
-good players move to better vehicle
-repeat point one
Never thought I'd see bawz utilizing the cap emoji
I've always looked at Thurs tank and thought "Everyone's hating on this tank, but forgets the Kv-1B which is the same tank but in a German tech tree".
Armour no doubt woven from Stalin's back hair!
Man, I love how be becomes kolobanov in first match.
“Under preforming” in gaijin speak means “haven’t sold as many as expected”.
Poor Brummbar guy, gave it his all
Never seen anyone with as strong a will to live as the brummbar