Why card counters can’t bankrupt casinos (with Steven Bridges)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2023
- Card counters should bankrupt casinos. They have an edge that means they’ll win more than they lose. But they don’t bankrupt casinos. And the reason why has more to do with behavioural science than mathematics. Today I chat with one of the world’s most popular card counters, Steven Bridges as we talk through how card counters use psychology to get an edge.
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Casinos don’t want a fast game to throw off card counters they want a fast game for the same reasons card counters do. 1 more hand an hour can easily be hundreds of thousands of dollars for the casino over the course of the year.
i work as a blackjack dealer and what u said is 100% right
This is the weirdest comment section ever ...
Lol, you’re not wrong. Twilight zone shit hahaha
I'm learning to count cards and I found this video very helpful! I can't wait to implement your camouflage lessons!
So I will just have to skip showering for a week and act drunk at the table. Got it.
You're making the world a better place with your content! ❤
If you are winning over time, an showing a pattern indicating the casino is likely to lose money to you, it is easy for them to refuse you service. There are also casinos that use continuous shuffle shoes, with 7 decks, and the cards going back in after every hand. Pretty well impossible to count in those cases.
im being pedantic but the amount of decks never matters. It matters in the sense there are slight strategic variations one should adjust to. 100 deck shoes aren't any harder to count on than single deck shoes if you're follow standard Hi-Lo counting practicing. Continuous shuffle obviously completely kills the ability to count. Whether it's single deck or 16 deck shoes. It's still not incredibly common though because 1 it can slow the game down which isn't made up for by the saved revenue from eliminating counters and 2 regular gamblers hate things like that. To them there's a greater chance the Casino is "cheating"
@MrJoosebawkz agreed. The money making trend I've noticed is to eliminate the dealer, and physical cards altogether, and put it all in a custom arcade machine (video lottery terminals, etc)
7? 6 and 8 are fairly standard, but I've never in my life heard of a 7-deck game. Tracking wins over time would require some way of tracking those wins over a time long enough to rule out random variance, and without a player's card, that's impossible for casinos to do
A card counter really have to be patient waiting for the count go up in a shoe. Finally when they have a high count the shoe is changed. So is it really worth the while?
Not really, cuz you look like a cheat when you up your wager and win..
Yes, it's very much worth it. Flat lining your bet while the count is low, or even going below your minimum to just "hang out" can add to the disguise.
Yes it's worth it to bet larger when the deck is more in your favor, what kind of question is that ?
@Steven Bridges come to Puerto Rico and let’s play poker together here
So card counting barely works with one or two decks right? And doesn’t work with any decks like six decks.
It works with either, but with fewer decks the count will fluctuate much faster than with six to eight deck games.
6 decks is easier to get true count imo
Im a dealer and and not only do i not care if youre counting, i hope you are and would never tell on you lol
Anyone know if there "card counter" in Baccarat ? Roulette ? ?? I mean , can anyone beat the House Edge in Baccarat and Roulette ?
😂
No. It's impossible to build a long-term edge in Baccarat or Roulette. Plenty of people will try and convince you otherwise, but the truth is that both games are nothing more than coin flips. Why should you trust my opinion? Because gambling is one of my hobbies and I've exhausted too many hours trying to find edges in most casino games. Stay away from Baccarat and Roulette if you're trying to win. They're fun but losing games.
@@proseabyss it is possible to beat at Baccarat if you are able to read the patterns, there's Mikki Mase who has beaten casinos constantly at Baccarat
@@zerobits4763 those patterns actually mean nothing.
Is Spanish 21 beatable?
Yes.
30:30 But there are also studies that show the exact opposite is true, recency bias essentially gives the opposite conclusion
In the US the dealers dont deal cards to the end of the shoe. They stop much earlier. This limits the card counting success.
counters use deck penetration as part of their ev calculation
I couldn't imagine anywhere having a blackjack game where you may run out of cards mid hand. I imagine everywhere has a cut card placed near the end
If casinos don’t want people to count cards why don’t they just implement a shoe that shuffles the cards in every table?
Any dealer, pit boss and security experts can spot a card counter in about 30-60 minutes, then they just back you off and say you cant play anymore if they see you trying it again they ban you and inform other casinos and you are in the ban book.
Beat the casino out of 750 k usd so far
I'm a dealer, and besides management, I can't imagine many other dealers giving a shit if someone is counting. I want you to win by any means other than cheating.
I think of Rain Man and Hangover
All casinos should be forced to show this entry rule -> only mugs are welcome.
Hasn’t the automatic shufflers eliminated this advantage
most places don’t use those
so you've never seen rain man?
More conent like this
Do dealers really care whether a player is counting? Seems like there would be more that don’t care or respect the skill than those that are so loyal to their employers that they would alert surveillance.
They usually dont, they want you to win. More tips for them
Like any job, impress your boss and get preferential shifts and job opportunities
@@Jorhan scarry!!!
"Win more than half the games they play" is actually incorrect.
The sum of their wins will OVERCOME the losses they have because with proper bet sizing and playing strategy, they can overcome the casino's edge in a fair game...and do so more quickly in a QUALITY game.
Ok tough guy 👍
I think most counters aren't that familiar with gamblers. Gamblers always act very different to counters and if you want to increase your bet naturally just double it from the previous hand. It will only take 2 hands to be at 8x your bets. This is called "Pressing" your bets. Even doing 16x if you have the bankroll for it is fine as long as you sweat it super hard. Many degens will do things like this to get max heart attack when playing and won't get backed off ever.
Not sticking to your betspread means lower EV.
I dont care what gamblers think or say, I'm taking every cent of EV I can make.
Not getting backed off is a different part of EV
You base your bet on the true count. Not by "pressing"
Pressing your bet allows you to increase your bet when the true count is high enough. Bet spreads are only mathematically minimizing your risk of ruin, if you are playing in your means pressing can help add cover without losing ev. If you think bet spreads help you win more money, then you don't understand basic math. As soon as you have an edge you should bet table max to maximize ev. Since no one is doing that, no one is maximizing their ev. They are only minimizing their risk of ruin. @@bjccounter5810
@@DustinJames-mk1gl taking a slightly lower EV can keep u in business much longer than playing maximum EV. They're going to catch on right away and ban u
Steven wearing a micro bikini to be the opposite of the bitters
I was playing recently in vegas at the tropicana, i went on a roll, nothing major just started winning more than i was losing and i was fluctuating my bets when I noticed more small cards came out and the dealer had a 20 or better the previous hand id bet more in hopes of catching high cards and i would..the pit boss came over and talked to the dealer in a different language while smirking at me and continuing to wish me luck, soon after the cards started coming out differently than before. And by NO MEANS can i COUNT CARDS OR CONSIDER MYSELF A COUNTER. I was simply paying attention to what was coming out as well as what the dealer was pulling and id play based on those things. I left after a few hands of noticing the cards were out of whack, mind you it was like 4am and i had meetings at 8am. Same type of scenario happened the night after at the red rock 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Cards don't go "out of whack". Stop being stupid.
Completely random. LV casinos have softwares to count cards along with the player. Counts high. Player bets big. Counts down. Player lowers bet. Its a not hard to track.
What do you mean by cards being “out of whack”? I’m kind of confused what you’re implying here
@DS-qz2gu he's referring to "flow of the cards" there's a flip switched involved hahahaha
@@bjccounter5810 Man, I just don't get it when people accuse casinos of rigging games. They're already making boatloads of money because they have an edge; why risk rigging games? If people found out that was happening, the casino would lose so much business and the Gaming Control Board would have a field day with them.
Also, the guy had a good run and then started running bad. I feel like it's that's just variance, not the game being rigged against him lmao.
explain my when. l caunting cards on game. so when l must stop beting when l must and what l must know when l caunt
Start with a running count of 0. Whenever you see a 2-6 add 1 to your running count, whenever you see a T-A take away 1 from your running count.
Before the start of each hand, consider the true count. The true count is the running count divided by an estimate of the number of decks in the shoe, so if it’s the 3rd hand of a 7 deck shoe maybe you take your running count divided by 6.5. As you play more it will become easier to estimate how many decks are remaining.
If the true count is high(like 2 or 3), bet larger. I believe a general size that works is 1x bet per count. If the count is 0 or negative bet the minimum to get another hand dealt, or ideally change tables.
This method of betting ensures you bet the most when you are more likely to make blackjack, and the minimum when you are least likely. Consider an idealized game where there are 3 Ts and 1 A. If the player and dealer take turns getting blackjack the player will win because blackjack pays 3:2, but when the dealer gets blackjack you only lose 1 bet. As the true count increases, you approach this idealized variant and should bet more.
Of course you must also play perfect basic strategy, and optionally deviate as the count changes(like the splitting TT play from the video)
10:39 I don't think backing off people is unfair. Becuase you can imagine casinos as players as well, they only offer games that you lose becuase those are the game you win. So once you are winning. I say it's a bit unfair that they have to let you continue playing. That's like forcing someone to play roulette or another losing game, because in that case the casino is losing.
Sure it's unfair, when you think the casinos only want you playing when they know they have the advantage, They ONLY WANT LOSERS. It's like a kid in the neighborhood who is the by far the best football player and he just destroys kids all day long, but when a new kid comes along who is bigger, faster, stronger....just way better, then he tells the new kid that he can't play. But then he wants to continue beating the absolute crap out of the other kids. Just look at the videos of the nasty backoffs. The one where they treat the counter like a criminal. It's unfair. But I get it, it's their house. They can do what they want. I'll just leave, no biggie,....but it's still unfair. They are bullies and brats.
I've met so many destroyed familes becasue of their gambling addiction. Loss of houses, spouse's, children & Vehicle's. What I'm hearing is, its okay for the casinos to trick you into thinking you can actually win!
So its okay for a car salesman to trick you into buying a Lemon. Its his Lot/House as you say. Doesnt matter if it takes money off the table or prevents you from buying your child clothes. Good Luck
You’re right, it’s not fair, but that’s the point. None of the games in a casino are “fair.” The Casino always has an edge (except in rare cases like card counting.)
The problem is that casinos are smart enough to only play when they have an advantage, while gamblers aren’t.
If gamblers were smart they would understand this and not play just like the casinos.
You’re right, it’s not fair, but that’s the point. None of the games in a casino are “fair.” The Casino always has an edge (except in rare cases like card counting.)
The problem is that casinos are smart enough to only play when they have an advantage, while gamblers aren’t.
If gamblers were smart they would understand this and not play just like the casinos.
You’re right, it’s not fair, but that’s the point. None of the games in a casino are “fair.” The Casino always has an edge (except in rare cases like card counting.)
The problem is that casinos are smart enough to only play when they have an advantage, while gamblers aren’t.
If gamblers were smart they would understand this and not play just like the casinos.
The edge in card counting is so small (sometimes less than 1%) that you need a huge bankroll and big bets to make more than a minimum hourly wage. The best card counter in the world playing in a 10$ table is better off just working at mcDonalds.
Not even close if casino will allow any bet pattern someone like this guy would walk away a multi millionaire every year...but simply cant because casino spot them in less than an hour
because l don"t know what give my caunting l play caunt cards l and what this caunt give my
The more I learn and experience I get from going to casinos channels like this and blackjack apprenticeship really hype it up for views. Like honestly he has to have all these covers but yet shows his face on video or you have to memorize bj strategy so you should probably watch all my vids or buy our training programs lol or you could just get a basic strategy card. These are just a couple of examples but it's not like this IMO from my experiences.
Have fun losing your money dude.
Steven is definitely not a "normal" card counter. He learned how to count cards specifically for his youtube channel. There's less than a dozen non-retired card counters that actually show their face and publicly admit they count cards because you're right. It's stupid. Unless your career isn't being a card counter, it's being a card counter influencer. You can say what you want about the incentives for that, Stephen really doesn't spread any misinformation. Also the thing about the disguises doesn't really make sense lol. He basically has to wear disguises because his face is public. That isn't even unrealistic because as a card counter if you play long enough. At least with a BJA type of full time job maximize EV mentality your face _will_ get burned and you _will_ need to wear disguises. If you're planning on taking it seriously then it's not really "hyped up"
As far as BJA. You could also have a reasonable debate about whether their products are "worth it". Totally depends on your budget and personality. Some of their services are _very_ useful like the software for setting up bet spreads. Their automatic trainers. And most most most most most importantly their crowdsourced casino list. Outside of the Casino list you could similar products/services elsewhere, some cheaper, some more expensive, I'm sure some better. But they're all very easy to use, do exactly what you want, and iirc come in a package, all conveniences, and really the Casino list is so invaluable the other stuff that comes with a standard membership is a bonus, but ignoring that the convenience premium is worth it for some and not for others. I probably wouldn't have signed up if it wasn't for the casino list.
If you're actually planning on taking counting seriously and have the money for it then their prices are perfectly reasonable especially for the base level stuff (the camps and classes and stuff I personally would never buy but I guess some people really prefer direction or in person learning. Kinda seems like a ripoff to me honestly but they're a business and it's not like people feel scammed by them). I don't really get what you mean when you say you pay just to learn basic strategy bc that isn't true at all. The standard basic strategy chart that comes up on google when you google basic strategy is from their website for free. They also teach all of the basics to card counting for free (and maybe even some of the standard deviations but idk. you can still find those also for free). Their real service is the forum, casino list, bet spread / risk software, and training software. Useful tools but not necessary. Tbh I'm not really sure what you even think it is that they do
His disguises are so bad it’s laughable. Amazon detective kits.
You guys must have forgot about the baccarat team that was using a hidden camera to record the shoe during the placing of the cut card. LISTEN. I'm not saying that's what he is doing. But, the casino can't read his mind to know what exactly his intent is when he's using a hidden camera and wearing disguises (not very good at it by the way) attempting to conceal his identity. Also, you need to remember the difference between Metro laws and Nevada Gaming Commission laws. My last comment. Why should I care what he does. Good luck.
you say in dating you want to stand out, you dont, im autistic and i stand out from the normal arpoach and its never wworked for me, if i was a regular guy i would have load of dates.
Stick with it --- you will eventually find the right person who will appreciate who you are.
@@arvia1984 im 45 and havent yet.
Yes, counting cards is legal... But using an electronic device at a gaming table while counting is not. Your little hidden body cam is going to get you in a heap of trouble! You've been warned.
Ooooo scary.
@@idontwantahandlethanks Try it!
True statement. Casinos can even claim your phone as a cheating device. Let alone a paper and pencil.
Absolutely 100000% not true. He's recording with a camera, it's not illegal. Homie works for a casino or something spreading lies like these.
@@bjccounter5810you’re allowed a paper & pen
Sadly he is not a high stake counter.mid range at best.50 k usd per hand is high stakes
Loser comment
Nobody is going to let you count cards for 50k for very long.
Many people like Larry flint bets like this for many years now on blackjack still betting this way
@@ochenhetree if they keep letting him play he not an advantage player. Look at the casinos suing Ivey over a few million. You think would let a normal high roller take millions for years and not ban him? At 50k a hand you’re either making the game uncountable or you hire a dedicated pit boss just to watch the only table. On top of that they have the real names for any one playing at those stakes. If they keep winning, they will figure out if he counting.
@@alexPsanz he is an advantage player
I lived in vegas for a while. And i agree that a dealer can beat a player if he or she wants and is allowed. Don't ask me why. I'm sure..
Not here to brag, but after 6months beeing casino dealer, i was able to beat card counters all the time, and where i was we had some high level folks known for making a living out of it. At some point some of them would quit when they see me arrive on table😅
So as a casino dealer, how do you "beat" a player...you must have made a fortune beating players. Killin it with those tips...😂
@@raynewlan9508 well, gamblers they beat themselves 😂🤣, casino got the odds. For counters honestly they are not that many that are good, and within half a sixain i can spot them. After that it's just a mind game, i know how to tickle them and it doesn't take long for them to be back on bad habits.
As i said i was a casino dealer, not the owner, so no, i didn't make shit ton of money out of it, actually was paid like McDonald cook, part of the reason i quit.
Don't believe you . Dealers don't beat players . They may as well be robots because they make no decisions .
@@michaelblankenau6598 well i'm sorry to disturb your beliefs. As explained above, dealer don't even need to try as regular players got beaten by the odds over time, and there is nothing you can do there. Counters they bend odds but it cost and need great focus while tryin act normal...And that's where i got them, play the mind game and get them back on gamblers tracks or make them quit.
I bet you also think that peoples behavior never been influanced by advertising. Or propaganda isn't real.
@@jeorgessportocontes768 What the hell are you babbling about ? Blackjack dealers don’t make any decisions . So they don’t do anything to beat players . The rules of the game are what beats the player . Not the guy standing there dealing out the hands .
????Card counting hardly works and takes way too long???? Why revealing the useless secrets for here now??