3:20 I wish these flares worked like (old) *decoy blocks.* Just makes all turrets forget about you for 5-10 seconds. You have to manual refill these so *no spam* they'd be awesome as an emergency option. Imagine that C130 throwing flares making those heavenly angel wings smoke trails
I think everyone is missing one crucial detail this update has brought us. The fireworks launcher has multiple ammunition types! My friends, we could see a future warfare update that gives us new types of ammo for both new, and existing weapons. Think about it, flak, AP, and HE ammo for our cannons and gatlings! And the ability to change how our turrets work with a simple flip of a switch! All in vanilla!
They had the framework to use different ammo types ready with Warfare 2. With that update turrets displayed a list of ammo that could be used (it was only 1 but still)
Maybe the flare launchers can be used for a base deterrent, having them places in large rooms where enemies might enter and having them pelter the room on activation to flush out intruders.
@@manselreed4191 The second one might've, but the first one definitely didn't die from hitting the ground. Those platforms are only about three large grid blocks off the ground, and you can jump off like five or six without taking any fall damage at all, and that's at Earth gravity. This guy's on Mars, which has even less gravity, so unless there was some kind of bug I don't know about, the flare gun killed it.
If the fireworks does damage to players, you can possibly use it to clear rooms or bases without doing too much damage to the infrastructure. Especially with this heavy bouncing, I can imagine clearing tunnels or corridors, shooting around corners, hitting yourself by accident. I imagine a ship with downward facing fireworks leaving blocks intact but killing everyone in a trench. It's like buckshot
It's a little unfortunate that the flares aren't the kind that come with a small parachute. Those hang in the air, and sometimes even get extra lift from the heat of the flare. It means you can have a signal hanging in the sky for several minutes at a time, which tends to be far more useful than a brief 5-10 second thing.
I'm surprised you didn't test the flare gun in space 😂without gravity impacting the shell, the shots might go reasonably far. Also, I don't think the target-engineers died from the shot, it seems they died from the high-speed impact with the ground (as one does)
Ive often used modded flares/fireworks (two separate but good mods). It's so handy having your rover auto-launch a flare when spiders attack so you can easily see at night to clear them off. And having a fireworks launcher on your perimeter guns makes it WAY easier to figure out which part of the picket line is under attack.
Fireworks could be interesting for base defense. Fire them around a ship so the pilot has trouble seeing where they are going and whats shooting at them.
When I saw the block in the background, I was really excited to have ship dispersed flares. Sadly it was just fireworks, I really hope keen give us ship based launchers in the future, even if they're just cosmetic. Imagine lighting up a battlefield after a strafing run.. or you know the obvious use of countermeasures 😂
Having a chute deploy on the flare and a wider radius of light would make it much more useful. Maybe they could make a flare dispensors with chuted flares for small and large grids.
The part where the flair punched holes in the armour blocks I think it was bouncing off you and back several times so it was multiplying the damage. Survival mode might have some things to say about bouncing it back in your face if it punches holes in ship hulls.
The true test is area denial indoors for the fireworks against engineers. They do little damage to structures, so they could potentially be used as a station “immune system” for invaders if they do meaningful damage.
so install them on the ceiling of your hanger or hallway/ rooms and if you have any intruders get in a safe room and hit a button. this can be used well as a base cleaner.
I wonder if you could put them on a custom turret and set it to fire at missiles so you could basically do an AA flak field, kinda like battle star galactica?
The flare gun will be hell inside an enclosed space. Imagining one of them bouncing around, slamming into hapless engineers and throwing them around as well.
I think it would be interesting if the flares/fireworks when they exploded acted like decoy blocks and took fire away from the main ship kind of like chaff/flares do
I think the fireworks would work well as a hostile detection alarm. They could be fired in the direction of incoming hostiles to make it immediately obvious which direction they're coming from.
I'm super impressed by the performance of the fireworks! By necessity they are putting tremendous load on the rendering, but rather than have those lagging the game, they are capping the effects so the lighting engine lags and pixelates, but the fps seems unchanged (as far as I can tell from this vid).
I don't think the fireworks do AOE damage, they only damage what they hit directly, so they would be pretty useless as flack (plus the framerate slowdown is horrific.)
I can see a very similar thing being used to take on rockets, player made missiles and light fighters. Could be fun putting a fireworks pack on the after of a fighter to disorient a persuer
Install one of the firework blocks with a sensor in a airlock as an improvised claymore and you have a nice little kill box, do the same in a hangar and intruders will be blinded long enough for turrets to take care of them. Hope they do a converyer system one at some point, hand reloading is a bugger
I could see the fireworks more as an AA augment rather then replacement, have it be so that when an attack happens your firework launchers fire but you got actual weapons mixed in so that fire works confuse and distract the target while the real weapons do the damage
Sensor, small battery, launcher... someone or something approaches the launcher and it goes off illuminating them and the area they are in. great for low flying craft or tunneling enemies. you look at where the fireworks are going off and know someone is in that area.
you can hide these flare launcher blocks behind a single plate of any choice and make it activate with a sensor for some trap style fireball launchers from the fekkin walls n floors without any moving parts it ca shoot through walls
considering the heat the projectile burns at, the dmg is realistic. trust me you are more willing to take a small 5-9mm hole in your body than a 5cm large one that is burned into your body with roughly 1000+°C
It might not affect automated turrets, but it might confuse a player themselves when you start blasting them with your fireworks. I wonder if the flare gun is any good when your flashlight feels insufficient.
They have flares- It's only a matter of time before we get heatseeker missiles Also if that's the case they could take the firework launcher and re-code it to shoot flares instead
The fireworks could potentially be used as a anti missile weapon yea we don’t have tracking missiles so we wouldn’t use it as a flare system to distract them but they could work like a flak weapon to detonate them also with how it shunted the fighter around it could be a good anti fighter weapon to mess with the fighter pilot while you throw in some missiles and mini guns
Also if turrets set to target missiles target these you could use it to distract them to let real missiles strike while defenses are focused on the fakes (reminds me of the bit in chars counter attack where they unleashed missile strikes but mixed into every other volley was a nuke so while they were focusing on destroying the ships nuclear warheads mixed into volleys of missiles were on the way to destroy axis tho they never hit due to chars new type abilities)
Should test if the flares and fireworks mess up the AI targeting system of turrets and ships. If it works sorta like how fighter jets use them. It would be cool if you could launch a volly of them while getting away to stop AI turrets firing rockets or shooting at you
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3:20 I wish these flares worked like (old) *decoy blocks.*
Just makes all turrets forget about you for 5-10 seconds.
You have to manual refill these so *no spam* they'd be awesome as an emergency option.
Imagine that C130 throwing flares making those heavenly angel wings smoke trails
Kind of hoping fireworks can also act as flares to break target lock. Would be fun, make space battles more interesting
The rocket has no tracking but it would be nice if the launcher turret started firing on them
@@AC-sv4ycwhat if they just fouled the cockpit target lead calcs?
Having it mess with drones and turrets would be good
It be cool if you could use the fireworks as functional flares or have a separate flare ejecting block.
im wondering how effective the explosion is against missiles
It would be cool if their where single tubes to so you could set it up to be like the angle flares military cargo and other larger planes
@@SirPlocks yeah, my first hope with it was to be able to create the AC-130, angel of death ( i think that's the right name) flare design system
@@hugot2261 Im pretty sure someone is gonna mod it or mabey keen will do a hotpatch and slip it in
@@SirPlocks yeah, that would be really nice.
I think everyone is missing one crucial detail this update has brought us. The fireworks launcher has multiple ammunition types! My friends, we could see a future warfare update that gives us new types of ammo for both new, and existing weapons. Think about it, flak, AP, and HE ammo for our cannons and gatlings! And the ability to change how our turrets work with a simple flip of a switch! All in vanilla!
They had the framework to use different ammo types ready with Warfare 2. With that update turrets displayed a list of ammo that could be used (it was only 1 but still)
I hope they keep that Op flaregun. It kinda reminds me of a blunderbuss pistol, IN SPACE!!!
Maybe the flare launchers can be used for a base deterrent, having them places in large rooms where enemies might enter and having them pelter the room on activation to flush out intruders.
@@thesaddestdude3575 I'd personally use them as "Crowd control" weapons mounted under light military vessels.
It looks like it just pushes them back and they died hitting the ground
@@manselreed4191 The second one might've, but the first one definitely didn't die from hitting the ground. Those platforms are only about three large grid blocks off the ground, and you can jump off like five or six without taking any fall damage at all, and that's at Earth gravity. This guy's on Mars, which has even less gravity, so unless there was some kind of bug I don't know about, the flare gun killed it.
If the fireworks does damage to players, you can possibly use it to clear rooms or bases without doing too much damage to the infrastructure. Especially with this heavy bouncing, I can imagine clearing tunnels or corridors, shooting around corners, hitting yourself by accident. I imagine a ship with downward facing fireworks leaving blocks intact but killing everyone in a trench. It's like buckshot
Problem is fireworks only deal damage on imact, not explosion
But, it does dmg to infrastructure? I mean sure less than rocket launcher... but still
Cute. Devs deserve to have fun with their own game. Not sure it was worth breaking a bunch of mods over this, though.
Time for a flare gun 1 life match battle series. Also, I wonder how they act in space. Probably be one hell of a light show
It’s gonna be like the flare gun in TF2. Hard to hit someone with but deadly when you do
I think it dont do much damage but i hope u can see it from a space that will be cool
It's hard to hit someone with the flare gun?
Transformers 2?
@@mediocreman2 No, Teflon Fight 2, a game in which you fight entirely with pans.
@@IneptOrange not if you have good aim
It's a little unfortunate that the flares aren't the kind that come with a small parachute. Those hang in the air, and sometimes even get extra lift from the heat of the flare. It means you can have a signal hanging in the sky for several minutes at a time, which tends to be far more useful than a brief 5-10 second thing.
I'm surprised you didn't test the flare gun in space 😂without gravity impacting the shell, the shots might go reasonably far. Also, I don't think the target-engineers died from the shot, it seems they died from the high-speed impact with the ground (as one does)
The firework launcher would be cool if it could mess with targeting like chaff or flares that military planes shoot off
Ah yes, warfare evolution at last
Small grid fireworks: chafe for player tracking
Large grid fireworks:stay away from my ship
Ive often used modded flares/fireworks (two separate but good mods). It's so handy having your rover auto-launch a flare when spiders attack so you can easily see at night to clear them off.
And having a fireworks launcher on your perimeter guns makes it WAY easier to figure out which part of the picket line is under attack.
Fireworks could be interesting for base defense. Fire them around a ship so the pilot has trouble seeing where they are going and whats shooting at them.
I'd be interested in some different ammo types on fighters like chaff or something like that to break missle locks
Sadly missiles in se don’t actually target they just fly straight
@@crystalclearchaos5387maybe it disrupts turret locking temporarily then?
When I think of flares I think of like something to take the attention of the ai from turrets not an actual weapon
When I saw the block in the background, I was really excited to have ship dispersed flares. Sadly it was just fireworks, I really hope keen give us ship based launchers in the future, even if they're just cosmetic. Imagine lighting up a battlefield after a strafing run.. or you know the obvious use of countermeasures 😂
Having a chute deploy on the flare and a wider radius of light would make it much more useful. Maybe they could make a flare dispensors with chuted flares for small and large grids.
The part where the flair punched holes in the armour blocks I think it was bouncing off you and back several times so it was multiplying the damage. Survival mode might have some things to say about bouncing it back in your face if it punches holes in ship hulls.
Yeah I'm pretty much guaranteed to use this for display purposes, love putting on fireworks shows in video games.
Man I don't wanna use fireworks for war, I just wanna have pretty firework shows.
(Fr though, Fireworks were something I wanted for so long in SE)
The true test is area denial indoors for the fireworks against engineers. They do little damage to structures, so they could potentially be used as a station “immune system” for invaders if they do meaningful damage.
it seems like the angle matters for the impact. both with the flare gun and fireworks. the closer you get to 90° the more damage you do.
Finally we can install that fireworks launcher in our Naboo N1 Starfighter
so install them on the ceiling of your hanger or hallway/ rooms and if you have any intruders get in a safe room and hit a button. this can be used well as a base cleaner.
It would be great if they made fireworks that act like decoys.
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2:08 it might be balanced by dealing you damage if impact is too close.
>missile inbound
>deploying flares
fireworks could be used as a race way trap.
couple small fireworks launchers, battery, sensor and a mag plate, you could make a Claymore mine.
I wonder if you could put them on a custom turret and set it to fire at missiles so you could basically do an AA flak field, kinda like battle star galactica?
So say we all
ive been testing it myself today, this works
the spread is atrocious but it works, fireworks work better but flares are more memey
The flare gun will be hell inside an enclosed space. Imagining one of them bouncing around, slamming into hapless engineers and throwing them around as well.
you could use the firework launcher as a AA gun for a first line of guns and as a alarm
Can the fireworks distract turrets?
I think it would be interesting if the flares/fireworks when they exploded acted like decoy blocks and took fire away from the main ship kind of like chaff/flares do
I am concerned and scared of that flare gun, but I also love it! XD
2 question how far fireworks can be seen and did they triger a bombs? Can be a cheap anti space bombardment def if it work.
I wonder if you can use flares/fireworks as... well... flares for missile distraction
I think the fireworks would work well as a hostile detection alarm. They could be fired in the direction of incoming hostiles to make it immediately obvious which direction they're coming from.
fireworks can do damage? *happy flak barrier sounds*
I'm super impressed by the performance of the fireworks! By necessity they are putting tremendous load on the rendering, but rather than have those lagging the game, they are capping the effects so the lighting engine lags and pixelates, but the fps seems unchanged (as far as I can tell from this vid).
i've had a silly thought of using it as a visual jammer for base defense
As soon as I saw this I played SE and made an ship to look like a C-130. I put firework launchers and try to simulate the C-130 flares. It is so cool!
I wonder if you can use these fireworks, in a large enough density, as a flak wall.
I don't think the fireworks do AOE damage, they only damage what they hit directly, so they would be pretty useless as flack (plus the framerate slowdown is horrific.)
With the way that flare gun hits, clearly Keen is looking forward to Alan Wake 2 as well.
Now I'm just thinking of those firework fights that people do now being in this game.
I can see a very similar thing being used to take on rockets, player made missiles and light fighters. Could be fun putting a fireworks pack on the after of a fighter to disorient a persuer
Install one of the firework blocks with a sensor in a airlock as an improvised claymore and you have a nice little kill box, do the same in a hangar and intruders will be blinded long enough for turrets to take care of them. Hope they do a converyer system one at some point, hand reloading is a bugger
would be cool if “fireworks” worked like flares for missiles lol
Have you tried to see if it could detonate warheads, as a sort of anti missile flak
one thing I had an idea about with the fireworks was if they'd be any good as a chaff launcher or something to distract missiles with.
Multiplayer battles with those firework launchers are going to be interesting, the damage will be to your game performance. Potatoes beware!
hope keen will make homing rockets and add flares to distract
Thor Ragnarok is all I could think of... Having a ship zooming by with a multitude of fireworks going off.
I could see the fireworks more as an AA augment rather then replacement, have it be so that when an attack happens your firework launchers fire but you got actual weapons mixed in so that fire works confuse and distract the target while the real weapons do the damage
Be cool if they could make something that fired flares for ships to evade missiles instead of decoys
Sensor, small battery, launcher... someone or something approaches the launcher and it goes off illuminating them and the area they are in. great for low flying craft or tunneling enemies. you look at where the fireworks are going off and know someone is in that area.
how do you get those other player characters like that?
This would be cool to use as Chaff for turrets or rockets 🤔🤔🤔
this looks like such a massive performance sink.
1:14 It's not random, the ball bounced off, and hit your player model. The damage was purely splash damage.
can't wait for the modding community to make counter measure launchers
looks like it's more the knockback killing a character.
best way to fully test this is to call in the gang and have a Flare War
Imagine a hallway/hanger breaching scenario, a firework drone loose in a larger ship would be a nightmare to deal with.
Does the flare gun produce THRUST???
The flare gun makes me think of Star Wars blasters
you can hide these flare launcher blocks behind a single plate of any choice and make it activate with a sensor for some trap style fireball launchers from the fekkin walls n floors without any moving parts
it ca shoot through walls
Side use I didn't hear ya say, they could be used to blind the enemy for hasty jumps or to blind turrets
My first thought seeing the fireworks is Chaff for ships. Wonder if missiles and gatlings actually get distracted by the firework.
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Wonder if fireworks can be used to destract point defense?
Finally a gun that does real damage
if they had a conveyer slot they would be useful as potential flak guns but the limited ammo makes it hard
For some reason I think of it being useful for a distraction? Perhaps if an escape pod was launching? 🤔
considering the heat the projectile burns at, the dmg is realistic. trust me you are more willing to take a small 5-9mm hole in your body than a 5cm large one that is burned into your body with roughly 1000+°C
Right so what I'm hearing is Battlestar galactica flak walls? Oh god, I hope that works...
It would be nice if the flares and fireworks distracted turrets. The way that flares on military aircraft work.
You need to see if weapon core homing missile track the fireworks, they might be usable as chaff launchers
The flare gun is capable of killing, wolves and one-hit, and sending their bodies flying. Found this out by accident LMAO
Chaff launchers, vs rockets :D
I was hoping it would be flares for ships, like a sort term deployable decoy.
Who would have guessed the most op weapon would be a flare
It might not affect automated turrets, but it might confuse a player themselves when you start blasting them with your fireworks.
I wonder if the flare gun is any good when your flashlight feels insufficient.
That flare gun is uhhh...quite the "multipurpose tool," wouldn't you agree?
They have flares-
It's only a matter of time before we get heatseeker missiles
Also if that's the case they could take the firework launcher and re-code it to shoot flares instead
It'd be awesome if the firework launchers did more damage so they could be used as like flak cannons or something
The flare gun seems like it spawns the projectile too far away from the player and it spawns INSIDE the block.
Would be cool if you could have ship mounted flares as countermeasures
The fireworks could potentially be used as a anti missile weapon yea we don’t have tracking missiles so we wouldn’t use it as a flare system to distract them but they could work like a flak weapon to detonate them also with how it shunted the fighter around it could be a good anti fighter weapon to mess with the fighter pilot while you throw in some missiles and mini guns
Also if turrets set to target missiles target these you could use it to distract them to let real missiles strike while defenses are focused on the fakes (reminds me of the bit in chars counter attack where they unleashed missile strikes but mixed into every other volley was a nuke so while they were focusing on destroying the ships nuclear warheads mixed into volleys of missiles were on the way to destroy axis tho they never hit due to chars new type abilities)
I wish you could use those flare / firework launchers like flare decoys
Nice spray pattern. I bet nobody will care if we mod that with liquid white Phospor ammonition to do maximum damage!
Should test if the flares and fireworks mess up the AI targeting system of turrets and ships. If it works sorta like how fighter jets use them. It would be cool if you could launch a volly of them while getting away to stop AI turrets firing rockets or shooting at you
kinda makes sense that a getting hit with something burning hot enough to turn a patch of ground into daylight would hurt though
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Btw, the pixelation probably just meant that you were overloading the render system