Interview with Jeffery Mishlove, Host of New Thinking Allowed
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- Trailblazer in the extra-ordinary, cartographer of the unknown, Jeffery Mishlove is a clinical psychologist, host and producer of Thinking Allowed and New Thinking Allowed. Jeffery studied the psychology of religious mysticism, and completed a PhD in Parapsychology, the only ever awarded by an accredited University (Berkley 1980), published later as Psi Development Systems. He is the author of The Roots of Consciousness and The PK Man.
Over the past few decades Jeffery has been a pioneer of innerfaith dialogue and has had the great distinction of interviewing many of characters who have shaped our current world of Mysticism, Religion, Philosophy and Psychology, with the likes of Colin Wilson, David Chalmers, Huston Smith, Irvin Yalom, John Searle, Oliver Sacks, Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi, Jean Houston, Ram Dass, Robert Anton Wilson, Rollo May, Rupert Sheldrake, Stanislav Grof, Steven Pinker, Terence McKenna, U. G. Krishnamurti and Whitley Strieber, just to name a few.
In this lit conversation Jeffrey shares his story with us, tells of his falling in and out of religion, we discuss his most memorable interviews, mystic vs psychic, particularism vs universalism, initiating yourself, being true to ourselves in religion and how to create meaning. We farbreng about the broken tablets and the trees of Eden, we cry, laugh, smile and sing in an adventure of human connection. Join us.
Timestamps:
00:00 Excerpt
01:38 Intro to Jeffrey
04:35 Jeffrey’s Story, in his own words
37:08 Finding/Creating Meaning in a Deconstructed World
39:50 Making Oneness real in our lives | Innerfairth Dialogue
43:59 Do we need to practice one tradition? Particularism vs Universalism
48:43 Did Judaism take a wrong turn with Moses?
50:49 Living between Exile/Samsara and Redemption/Enlightenment:
Broken tablets and whole tables, tree of knowledge and tree of life
54:08 Mysticism vs Psychic phenomenon? and What is a Mysticism?
56:18 Jeffrey's favorite interview?
57:56 Conclusion and Upcoming Projects
“We live in an era where the spiritual tradition of the world are everybody inheritance” - Jeffery Mishlove
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‘This was the best interview ABOUT Jeff Mishlove I have ever seen. I was crying throughout.
Thank you so much for the kind compliment Don. It was truly a pleasure to interview Dr Mishlove.
Jeffery is a treasure. I love his work and channel!
Absolutely David. We love him too.
I love Jeffrey, he has fed my soul with his work for which I'm so grateful. After this moving video, I love him even more.
I love this sweet man deeply,,,he has changed my life!!! may he live long and be well and healthy!!!
Amen. We love him too.
🍄Amen ❤️
Two of my favorite people! What a pleasant surprise!!! 🤗💝
Good on you Zevi for engaging in conversation with a legend 🙏
What a pleasure
Wow. This was such a powerful interview. Thank you so much for posting this wonderful interview with Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove who, outside of my parents, has been the most influential person in my life.
Whatever Jeffrey is on…. Can I please have some? He seems eternally optimistic. Great interview!
VERY VERY STRANGE to me that Lev knows about and has an interview with Jeffrey Mishlove. Two of my most loved philosophical/esoteric journalists who have a well known rapport that I never even pondered they had a connection of sorts. Wow how small the world truly is.
Two very beautiful souls. Thank you for your existence
“The story of every human is the story of the Divine in microcosm” - Zevi (24:12). Love that quote! What a fabulous foundation for any interview or engagement with others. Like the Hindu greeting “Namaste”...I greet the Divine in you. That posture of humility before the Divine in everyone...such is so precious!
Likewise, I so appreciated Jeffrey’s revelation and message of Oneness that he draws from The Shema (38:30)! No other, no outsider, “no goyim” (38:50)...for we are all One. What a precious and powerful insight! No enemy, no projections...just reaching for the Divine in every encounter. So good!
Meanwhile, I SO ADORED Jeffrey singing “Let my people go...” and boldly declaring the revelation that a God of Love and Compassion does NOT threaten the lives of innocent (Egyptian) children (49:50), regardless of what Torah says.
Nor does the Divine petulantly wipe out the earth with a flood, reign down fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, or call for the extinction of the Canaanite. As Jeffrey stated so beautifully, “I just don’t buy it...I don’t believe that’s what God did. I don’t believe that’s what God does!” Such narratives are simply far too “tribal” (50:28).
Yes! As any seasoned mystic knows from their direct experience of the Divine, that’s NOT Who God is. Such narratives thus violate God’s true nature and character. Wherein, there is no enemy, or other, against which to rage or threaten or outpour wrath.
Allowing the true nature of God to challenge, even supercede, that outer garment of Torah. Like Joseph losing his coat. Sometimes Torah needs to be stripped of its outer layers in order to see that true Messianic fulfillment. Ascending to that throne of authority only through the divine wonders of mystical interpretation!
And thus, perhaps recapturing the fragments and fragrance of those original tablets...the Divine Wisdom that is the Tree of Life (51:57)! Love that! A bit of Divine Timing on that message! So good!
Thank you both...that was beautiful! 🙏💗
"I never doubted I was loved" nearly brought him to tears that's where we all connect we love our elders who have passed on and long to meet with them again in the next life the Base of family foundation and structure is integral and at the core of faith traditions it's unfortunate that we needed tradition to tell us of this naturality affiliation within us all what am saying we didn't need religeon to remind us or tell us of the love between family but am grateful at the same time that religeous tradition has taught us this family phenomena innate within us wheras some poor souls of the past had no idea and today in this fast moving culture again need reminding of this fundemental family truth.
The collab we’ve all been waiting for!
These men are part of our resonance with Sophia. I deeply appreciate the discussion of family of origin and deviance from tradition* yet finding the One/Unity in our own Jihad. Much Love to All You Are About Doing for Life . xo
I love watching Jeffery in New Thinking Allowed, but this really shown a beautiful dimension to his life and character. Thank you. 🙏🏽❤️🕉
You’re most welcome. Glad we were able to show that side of him.
It's great to know more about Dr. Jeffrey himself and the history behind that legendary smile. A being of light if I ever knew one!
It was such a great pleasure learning his story and sharing his illumining smile a little further. Thank you for watching.
Absolutely loved this one. It is a wonderfully honest and heartfelt account. I think we all break free of the constraints of our religions and find our own path. As Basho said: Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought.
Love watching Jeffrey Mishlove on his channel, he is always interesting. Thanks for this conversation on your channel.
You're most welcome. Thanks for watching.
Beautiful interview with a beautiful soul.
Jeffrey is such a great man, thanks for the video.
You’re welcome.
Felt l should share this. When some years ago l was at a meditation retreat in Glastonbury, staying at a bnb. That day we planned a side trip to a place that was traditionally named as the original Camelot. When we returned that our host told me a story thus.
Before Aurthur’s knights went on their quest for Glastonbury they were taken to the top of this particular hill where all the countryside could be viewed unobstructed for miles. In the distance they could see clearly their goal, Glastonbury. However when brought to the bottom of their viewing hill the goal could not be seen. What lay ahead was inpenetrable Forrest and bog. And so they made their way.
And so it is, we may see, for the want of better words, the vision splendid, in the beginning of our journey however we often have to make our way there through impenetrable forests.
Hegel noted this that the ‘ idea’ of oneness can deteriorate into an unedifying trueism or even a platitude. Of which, I’m sure you know, the new age is awash in. For which we have the notion of spiritual bypassing. The journey is everything.
Thank you both so much for this, so much love and real humanity shared.xxo
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Love that man, Jeffery has an amazing channel that I have been watching for years. Very moving to hear his story. As someone who like him has not stayed with my parents Christian-Freemasonry but has learned much from their path I found it very interesting, and like him found in it things that I could not stay with or believe in for similar reasons. One thing that was familiar was not just to be true to your self (something I heard in the talk with one of the Sufi's that you spoke with - "know thy self") but also his comments on the Guru. While I follow a completely different path my Guru has always been my first Guru who I never even spoke with in words but with the heart rather. An old Hopi elder who I met through a friend, we simply sat together over tea silently, and three month later he died and appeared in a dream which has lead me on my path to the light that he showed me ever since. Names are not truth. Thank You
Thank You for sharing that.
Wonderful interview. I’ve enjoyed his show for decades.
Hey Lily. So glad you enjoyed it :)
@@SeekersofUnity I’m so glad to have discovered your excellent channel today.
Welcome in. Glad you found us :)
Love the idea of cherishing the 'brokenness' in retaining the broken tablets in the ark together with the intact whole tablets. To paraphrase Leonard Cohen, that is how the light gets in. The 'brokenness' is our Shadow, and we self-actualize our potential through owning, embracing and addressing our Shadow and recognizing that without brokenness there is no meaning to unity. And what we must not be inclined to do, as tempting as it becomes, is to project our personal Shadow outward onto an other, G!d forbid. In the end, we only harm ourselves and lose the opportunity of what is to be gained through Shadow work...
Hey Gary. Thank you so much for your beautiful reflection. I see you tried posting some earlier comments that were deleted. TH-cam has a tendency to automatically delete comments that have a url link in them. Try perhaps reposting with links. We’d love to hear what you wanted to share. Love, Zevi
@@SeekersofUnity Thank you, Zevi. Yes, I was not aware but can re-post and take out the links. I have a great deal to share actually. First of all, that I love this project and am totally on board with it and have let others in my circle know about it. I love the connection between universality and particularity that is engaged. My own contribution would be related to cognitive neuroscience and the function of the human brain in connection to panpsychism and hemispheric specialization. Doing a lecture in the morning on 'Kabbalah and the Divided Brain. Maintaining Equanimity and Integration in the Face of the Stress of Fragmentation.' As a part of a conference with Iain McGilchrist.
You’re most welcome Gary. Thank you. The work you’re engaged in sounds absolutely fascinating. Welcome on board.
@@SeekersofUnity Thank you, Zevi. The lecture went over extremely well, I think. Interesting question from the folks who participated...
Glad to hear. Will it be available online?
Another treasure for my treasure box called my heart. Beautifully fulfilling. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️💜💚💜❤️🌻🌼🌸🌺☀️🌞🎵🎶 Thank you both!!!
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Radiating unity. What a powerful concept. Mysticism is contagious
As someone who has just discovered my Jewish heritage in the past few years, but have always had a keen interest in universal mysticism, I found Jeffrey’s personal story very powerful. Thank you Zevi for this interview :)
Hey Jesse, so glad you joined us. Check out the rest of the content and community that we’re creating here at seekers, i feel like it’ll be up your alley :)
An interview with the best interviewer is certainly worth watching. I`m a huge fan of his and being able to know a little better about him and his personal experiences was really touching. Thank you for bringing Jeffrey Mishlove a little bit closer to us. You just gained a new subscriber.
Thank you Daniel. It was such an honor and pleasure to sit virtually across from Jeffery and share in his story and journey and to learn with him. Thank you for joining us in this. Welcome.
Great conversation! It'd be cool to see a part 2 follow up to this one day in the not too distant future ; ) perhaps worth checking out Martin Shaw's work - his recent conversation with Mark Vernon ... and Paul Kingsnorth on a similar tip : )
Truly a wonderful interview. So moving to here more of Dr. Mishlove"s story. Has there been such a time in history when so many lights have come together. I have a sense that something truly great is a hand.
Thank you Paul. We feel and anticipate the same.
I had never considered the generational impact of post-holocaust grief. I supposed that it would consolidate Jewish communities instead of driving away younger members. Thank you for opening my eyes.
01:38 Introducing Jeffrey
04:35 Jeffrey’s Story, in his own words
37:08 Finding/Creating Meaning in a Deconstructed World
39:50 Making Oneness real in our lives | Innerfairth Dialogue
43:59 Do we need to practice one tradition? Particularism vs Universalism
48:43 Did Judaism take a wrong turn with Moses?
50:49 Living between Exile/Samsara and Redemption/Enlightenment
54:08 Mysticism vs Psychic phenomenon? and What is Mysticism?
56:18 Jeffrey's favorite interview?
57:56 Conclusion and Upcoming Projects
Very moving. Thank you both. As Jews we still have yet to come to terms with the שואה holocaust. It appears that we tend to avert our attention from this inexplicable tragedy that had happened to humanity and cling onto a theology that predates this horrible catastrophe. A sugar coated pill about infinite love does not go down easily. But I have no answer and I do not know when if ever there will be one.
A lovely interview, this interview seems to emanate love, one can't help but smile. Cheers.
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A legend, Dr.Mishlove.🥰
Thomas Moore of 'Care of the Soul' replied to the smorgasboard accusation that he liked buffets. His requirement for himself and his suggestion to others was to take one's spiritual life seriously. Have a certain gravitas and go deep.
Magnificent! So glad this rolled across my feed. Long time subscriber to New Thinking Allowed and happily subbing your channel, as well. Paz y luz.
So glad you found us ☺️ Welcome
Could have been more enthusiastic about interviewing our Lord Jeffrey Mishlove hahah/ you know how directors are haha/. just making all smile...Love the intro I embrace all I am one with all. Beautiful.
Hehe, truth. I didn't want to scare off Lord Mishlove with my unbridled adulation. Love You.
@@SeekersofUnity hahah you were awesome I wouldn't have come close to your incredible performance...thank you for your incredible enthusiasm...once you get older haha more is expected for a good show..hahah your going to be mega wealthy...you already are just stay active and recieve 🌞
Hahaha thank you so much. We are already, wealthy in Being. Thank you for your blessings and thank you for gracing us at Seekers of Unity with your Presence. Much love. Keep Seeking.
this was beautiful. fantastic questions
Thank you 🙏🏼
Wonderful 🕊️
Thank you.
We are traveling to Jerusalem on January 18th following The Divine Calling. 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
Jeffrey's a gem
Indeed
"It's real, and it's not evil." lol I feel that sums up a lot of my conversations with people about the unitive state. What an amazing interview with such a high profile guest! This was really interesting.
Thank you Justin. So glad you’re enjoying them.
@@SeekersofUnity I love interviews. I think its fascinating to learn about people's lives, projects, etc., in their own words.
Well Justin, you’re in luck. We’ve done a bunch and are doing more 😉
@@SeekersofUnity Love it! That's exactly what I was hoping to hear!
Jeffrey is like the real Dale Cooper. A real angel, lights my soul everytime i see him
So very true...we.must become our own expert.
Waking up crying AND singing. Thats awesome, I've woken up crying about a dream of a friend that had died, but my friend in the dream was a cartoon , and also a unicorn. We we're all unicorns in the dream, but different colors. Anyway, I wasn't singing, but I woke up laughing hysterically once sometime after that, but couldn't recall what was so funny.
Best. Comment. Ever.
@@SeekersofUnity I want to thank you for this wonderful interview.. you are a great host and I enjoyed listening to you both. ❤🙏
You’re most welcome Timothy. Thank you for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed 😊
A lovely and stimulating conversation.
Without meaning to denigrate Mr. Mishlove, and with all due respect to the good man, I think it's quite revealing of his theology that he reads the Shema the way he does. His reading of it is that he is and we all are identical with G_d's oneness, from which it follows that there is no Other and there is only the self and the greater Self. Right or wrong, this is, of course, profoundly heretical to all Abrahamic faith.
We aren't identical to G_d. G_d has many attributes that we we do not have. G_d is deeply close to us but also profoundly Other.
And He can only be loved as Other, and He can only love us as Other, and we can only love each other as Other, because love of self is not love.
It's Otherness that makes love difficult and meaningful and challenging and humbling and holy.
If we are not Other to Him, why would He make us? He was perfectly adequate in Himself.
I know that this channel is called Seekers of Unity, but real unity is G_d's alone. This is the paradoxical Hebrew unity: We find unity not by attempting to destroy otherness by imperialising the world like the Romans and their inheritors, nor by denying otherness and solipsistically worshipping the self like the far Easterners and their inheritors, but through making formal peace with and accepting without understanding, controlling or hating Otherness.
Our existence is not through ourselves, it is through YHWH/Allah. Here is no other reality than it.
Our existence is not self-sufficient.
Whatever way we try to explain it, ontologically we come back to that God is the only thing that truly exists, God is God, we are Creation.
This is openly the big mystery that the Abrahamic religions conceal.
It is not so much a mystery in the Dharmic religions because they start from a different perspective, being not grounded in the same kind of revelation.
It's a complex thing to unravel.
That said without the perception of difference between ourselves and God there would be no worship and worship is the bread of Spirituality and a key part of the Path of knowledge.
So there is wisdom both ways.
@@oceanmachine1906 Our being is sustained by HaShem, yes, but that's not the same as being identical with him.
If one wants to be a Buddhist, okay, but to read the Shema, Judaisms exclamation of G_d's unique and perfect unity, as a denial of the profound otherness of HaShem is not a separate and valid wisdom, but a fundamental misunderstanding of Abrahamic faith.
@@Adam-st8ys I always personally find it very hard to pinpoint what is fundamental to Judaism; theres are many מאן דאמר's (Ones with an opinion) in every topic.
According to Chassidus, the עצם הנשמה (the essence of the soul) is a חלק אלוקה ממעל ממש (a *literal* part of God).
There is also the famous debate whether צמצום כפשוטו או לאו כפשוטו (was the initial tzimzum complete hiding of God or a complex hiding, one where God never actually left).
So yes, we can play the word games as to whether or not "God is the world is the same as the world is God", but they are both pointing to the same Oneness. All is One.
@@shaulsolomon7933 Thanks for your response, Shaul.
I'd be among the first to say that there are many perspectives on God, and that it's undoubtably valuable to allow as many perspectives into our shared understanding as possible, as they all contain fragmentary glimpses of the truth, however partial.
I also don't doubt that we should seek to approach the truth personally and outside of preconceptions, but we cannot capture the light that we glimpse in this mystical mode without then also giving definition to these glimpses through discernment, language, ritual and law.
There is where the all-encompassing, motherly acceptance of mysticism ends and the stable, fatherly foundation of declaration and law begins.
I hope you’d agree that, alongside mysticism, we also have a duty to this other mode, so that we do not only glimpse but also *keep* as much holiness as we can in the world.
“According to Chassidus, the עצם הנשמה (the essence of the soul) is a חלק אלוקה ממעל ממש (a literal part of God).
There is also the famous debate whether צמצום כפשוטו או לאו כפשוטו (was the initial tzimzum complete hiding of God or a complex hiding, one where God never actually left).
So yes, we can play the word games as to whether or not "God is the world is the same as the world is God", but they are both pointing to the same Oneness. All is One.”
Yes, I believe this is all true and legitimate debate. That said, and with respect, I believe you’ve mistaken my point of contention.
Please believe me, I’m certainly not “playing games” with wordings, but rather seriously disputing what is in my impression a desecration of the holy name.
When you put emphasis on *literal* in ‘a *literal* part of God,’ I feel I should respond by putting the emphasis on *part* instead, ‘a literal *part* of God.’ Yes, our souls may well be literal parts of God, but that would not make us identical to Him, as He is not a part of God, but the glorious whole of God, which we are not.
It’s His limitlessness, which we lack; it’s His perfect justice, which we lack; it’s His endless love, which we lack. These things make Him God and us not. His otherness is essential. To repeat from before, only as other can He be loved and can He love us.
The historic alternate perspective on this, which Mr. Mishlove espoused, that we all parts of the one Self, is what all of the various paganisms and magical belief systems of history have placed at the centre of their theologies. It is what gives permission to the evil doer as “all is part of the greater whole of the one wheel of samsara,” etc.
Brothers, please do not allow yourselves to be seduced by the worldview that says all worldviews are essentially the same. There are real differences between them that create really different results, some of which are real desecrations of the Holy Name.
@@Adam-st8ys - you should know this is the first time I have posted a youtube comment, let alone had a conversation as a thread.
We are living in unprecendented times!
With that being said, I have a few points I want to address:
"The historic alternate perspective on this, which Mr. Mishlove espoused, that we all parts of the one Self, is what all of the various paganisms and magical belief systems of history have placed at the centre of their theologies. It is what gives permission to the evil doer as “all is part of the greater whole of the one wheel of samsara,” etc.
Brothers, please do not allow yourselves to be seduced by the worldview that says all worldviews are essentially the same. There are real differences between them that create really different results, some of which are real desecrations of the Holy Name."
1) Using Hinduism as a reference, you have six different schools of thought. Advaita is non-dualistic (even though maya quasi-exists in some projection like state), while Dvaita is fundamentally dualistic (Brahman != Atman). So on the one hand it is quite easily obvious that no, not all ideologies are identical, but they are both pointing to the same underlying reality (salvation wouldnt be possible if the gap between God and Self couldn't be bridged).
2) Even in the non-dualistic school of thought, saddhus aren't all running around killing and pillaging because we are already the One. On the contrary, almost every account of those who have felt One with the Everything is filled with the language of Love and Compassion.
3) In the more classic reading of Rabbinic Judaism, it does seem to follow your belief - that God is an Other and it is through your bittul to the other that "salvation"/Geulah is possible - but again, I can find you many sources in Judaism which enjoy to play with that line.
4) "It’s His limitlessness, which we lack; it’s His perfect justice, which we lack; it’s His endless love, which we lack. These things make Him God and us not. His otherness is essential. To repeat from before, only as other can He be loved and can He love us."
What is half of infinite?
Justice? Love? Limitlessness? These are all attributes - not substance.
As Maimonidies is most famously quoted for, we can't describe what God is, only what he is not.
So if God, Atzmus, is the only thing and again צמצום לאו כפשוטו, so one can (and must say) that we live in a dual reality. One in which we are an other, and another in which we are the other. Moreover, Chassidik thought seems to imply that we need both.
When we focus of self-love, one can be wary of egocentricism and whatnot.
But, when we focus of Self-love (the Self not being the personal I, but the cosmic All), then I don't think that that leads to delinquency, specifically if its understood from a healthy point of view.
As in, if we accept that we live in a dual-reality (יחודא עילאה ויחודא תתאה) the mistake would be to identify too strongly to either reality.
Just as we can not derive an is from an ought, we can not an 'I am' from a 'I could be' - as of July 29, I still see myself, Shaul, as a separate ego and for now I still need to play along with this game/delusion/alternate reality (you pick the word).
To summarize:
I think there are two core disagreements I have.
The first being that you *need* a self/other dynamic to have a healthy and well-guided spiritual practice. I think whats important is to study and learn and taste alternative states of being, beyond the self, but also to be grounded in the default state of being that we usually find ourselves in.
Secondly, that "all of the various paganisms and magical belief systems of history have placed at the centre of their theologies" is some watered down, motherly love but inevitably harmful rhetoric. Spending years learning Chassidus, I have yet to find a corpus of text that does more word-games. Not as a bug, but as a feature. There is no absolute way we can choose to define what is, but instead of sticking to one, chassidus jumps around.
To quote Tevyeh from fiddler on the roof, "you're also right!"
There are no religious differences in mysticism.
Love.
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Go Zevi & SOU😻
"The purified planetary human operates with a noospheric compassionate consciousness tuned-in to the whole life of the planet.
I empower in order to influence commanding wisdom.
I seal the process of free will with the overtone of radiance.
I am guided by the power of universal fire.
.....Cosmic History Quote.
I harvest the wisdom of my free will."
The story about the gospel band singing Let My People Go should be in an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Lol
I thought he was just a hipster until I saw the kippah
Hipster or Hasid? 🤔
@@SeekersofUnity 🙂
G U R U!
so what does that actually mean?🤔
Did Mishlove ever marry? does he have children?