if you dont know the best route to take after something like that then you need some lessons in basic backcountry before venturing off, even with a guide, if the guide had gotten buried would you stand there shouting what about me???
@@angusmcdugal1 it was low angle terrain yes, but this is a good example that even on lower angle slopes there can be pockets of 35 degree + that are avalanche terrain and to the untrained eye it's very difficult to recognize without maps or an inclinometer It takes a long time to be able to do that just by looking
@@Drew-in-NoDak no is not...also if you take the 3x3 method the presence of previous line is a risk reduction factor, but is probably taken too seriously, i think that the presence of lines should be the last factor taken into consideration, moreover the presence of previous lines do not say anything about the experience of the rider, it is possible that a rider is able to put less stress, by stressing just the superficial layers, than you on the snow, and what is "safe" for him, is not for you...also the risk of falling should be considered, and also it is possible that conditions are changed from the moment of the previous line...then obviously if in on part there is 40 lines and left this part there is no one, you should ask yourself why there is empty, possible that persons who know the place better than you know that from that side avalnache happen more frequently, you should always prepare your line at home, and at the place, when you see lines taken your considerations
I had friends killed in an avalanche about 15 years ago. She triggered the avalanche and he went after her. They found them a few days later. I often wondered what they saw...this brought up a lot of emotions. Nature can be so beautiful but so powerful! Amazing video! Thanks for sharing.
Friggen beautiful up there though. As a non-skier I never really understood why people risk going into avalanche zones but seeing this I can see how people would be lured in!
I thought heaven too. However, when I realized they don’t know what they are doing, I thought what’s up with the guide. He is barely audible and his instructions are see you at the bottom. I blame the helicopter company for caring more about making money than getting real guides.
if thats a guide, and yes i think he probably is... he did an ultra shit job of guiding his clients. he gave this guy no instructions whatso ever. no pointing, no nothing. just left him abandoned. really poor . this guy was new to avalanches. not everyone is an expert. that's why you take a guide and the guide needs to step up to 'guide' his damn clients using his experience. guiding FAIL !!
This group should not have been in avalanche terrain. Towards the beginning of the video you see little balls of snow accumulating and rolling down near the tracks. This is an idication of very wet snow, the kind that has begun to melt and create water between facets. When you get heavy snow poorly bonded to its underlying layer you get a recipe for a wet slab slide like we saw in this video. This is a manageable risk for someone with good snow sense and route finding ability, unfortunately this crew has neither.
points out a rock sticking out of the top of a roller indicating thinner coverage, proceeds to ski perpendicular to the fall line and acts shocked when a slab breaks off. LOL
I honestly thought it would happen 3 times with these decisions. The top was all warning too and they were just bunched up like penguins the whole time
Man... don't stop there right on the crown where the avalanche broke off. That snow's no more stable than the snow inches beyond it that just sloughed off, nor is the slope at your back any shallower.
It is very tempting though, I have to admit that it's one of those images (gliding through that powder together) which lured me into backcountry in the first place. I guess would be nice to at least spread out as much as possible and have a spotter at all times, if there is more than 2 persons in the group.
@@borysvengerov3398 if you are in avalanche terrain you owe it to yourself and your friends to ski 1 at a time. Good protocols will overcome bad forecasting or bad analysis. You never want to be in a position where 1 person is rescuing multiple burials and possibly dealing with multiple injuries. You always want multiple people searching, and hopefully rescuing, a single burial. Just some advice from an old backcountry ski guide.
Seriously don't know which way to go when the slab has already broken off below you and still standing on it? Go forth young man! Lets do that again lol. The snow is waiting... Lacking basic common sense and understanding of how and why avalanches occur. Has zero business being there without a guide (who would have hopefully seen the risk). Also that was basically extremely flat. They were lucky it wasn't a 45 degree grade (if any of them could stay upright). Regardless, if that was on a 45 degree pitch the entire slab would have been down on them. Pointless video except what not to do. Also sick of people saying pow and pow pow. Sounds like baby talk. Wish I had all my time back I wasted now on this.
Can you please explain what you should do in this situation. I'm just a newbie skier and the algorithm brought me here.. I'm actually really curious about what the proper thing to do here would be.. even though I'll probably never ski down a slope like this in my life lol
One at a time from safe zone to safe zone, radios would be killer, and group is way too big. Thanks for the video as it shows how quickly things can change in zeh mountains yah!
Lots of people complaining that he has no proper training to be in the backcountry (which is true) but this guy is clearly on a heli ski trip. Guest at heli ski lodge rarely have any experience in the back country and are only trained for rescue when they get to the lodge so hence the complete lack of knowledge when put into a real scenario. Don’t judge too fast. That’s literally 95% of the customers on a heli ski trip
I see a lot of comments saying that they handled this completely wrong. As a newbie skier and someone who came here because of the algorithm, can someone pls explain to me what the proper thing to do in this situation would be?
Skiing all in a close group, the guides chin strap on his helmet is flapping around and he ski cut the convex roll with everyone in the party following closely. Looks like a pretty cowboy outfit
Its because they will not be dragged down from the top together with him then no one can dig him up. Thats a golden rule, avoid standing in the same line/path. Stand horizontally.
@@unusualbydefault so you suggesting he makes a move, shit starts to slide even more, pulls down his friends and now everyone is burried and left dying without anyone else to help them?
@Yelaa Bob well really the point is that the snow covers up all of the rocks and the obstacles like roots and so there is more terrain to ski. Also when it doesn’t snow, the snow gets packed down and really icey so then it’s really hard to stop.
Remember: avalanches can be triggered by very small vibrations in the right conditions, so if ever you find yourself in a high risk situation, YeLL LouDLy aNd StOMp
Before Reading comments. I thought: Too Big of Group All riding together on same lines And the “pow pow” comment made the guy sound dumb.. Wasn’t surprised when he had no idea what to do after avalanche. That being said wouldn’t it be obvious?
Living in BC, I was curious how close to this place I was... I pulled the Skeena Range up on Google maps and tried to get directions. No luck. How in the world do you get to the top in order to ride down? The chopper I hear in background, is that their ride?
One mistake the made was continued traversing across the most convex section of the slope where it’s most likely to fracture and by side skiing they are putting max force on snow.
I'm never forget back in 1983 I was skiing at the Highlands in Aspen and I was right off of Iran called steeplechase and I was in some sort of a mood and I went out of bounds for a little bit and it was trying to get over to wear some untracked skin would be and I was up to my neck in some
The title is a hint. ''Skeen range'' in British Columbia , Canada. That's the big fuck off country just north of USA if you're still struggling and BC is the western most province.
Must have been the first time he saw a small slab avalanche like that, from his reaction. I worked on Avalanche control for years and saw hundreds of them, and swam a few big ones too. The guide wasn’t fazed at all because he knows it happens all the time.
yup, signs of wind loading at the top and then skiing a convex roller, plus group mentality. If you get buried you can be dug up. scarier to be crushed and mangled by the big blocks. this vid was posted so long ago but there u go, viewers.
Wow! I have never seen anything like this before. I mean, civilization wasn't in any direction! Gorgeous scenery but it gave me a twisted stomach feeling like it was literally the middle of no where, in snow.
I bet not a clue , nor a single shovel, nor a single probe, nor a single idea about what degree slope and when slopes are most prone to let go - "but what about me? what am I supposed to do?" have you ever seen such an accident waiting to happen - no wonder so many succumb each winter in the mountains - 90 percent have no business being there!
Generally, if your doing guided skiing, you do what the guide says. You never ski below the guide & the group skis left or right of the guide track as directed. Failure to comply = goodbye.
Isn’t it weird how the videographer feels put out by nature? Yes that was a small and dangerous avalanche. Yes none were hurt and you need to proceed with caution. People seem to have less logic and class than I give them credit for.
That place looks like heaven!
colby randall hell yeah, it's so wide !
Yes
"put on your Man pants"
Does anyone know where that is?
Edit: nvm lol I’m dumb
PyroRupt where is it
if you dont know the best route to take after something like that then you need some lessons in basic backcountry before venturing off, even with a guide, if the guide had gotten buried would you stand there shouting what about me???
Totally agree with you, this man definetly didn't have a clue.
+1.
Tourists... They cant ski, they dont know anything about backcountry but they pay.
What a bunch of idiots skiing all together.
This guy was annoying.
Well I think it is pretty clear, that you go where the avalanche has already removed the loose snow, which for me is common sense?
What is the best thing to do in a situation like that?
One skier at the time.
Taking an avalanche and backcountry class is invaluable.
@Raw Ross To be fair, this was low angle
@@angusmcdugal1 it was low angle terrain yes, but this is a good example that even on lower angle slopes there can be pockets of 35 degree + that are avalanche terrain and to the untrained eye it's very difficult to recognize without maps or an inclinometer
It takes a long time to be able to do that just by looking
Roses are red Violets are blue the avalanche happens at 3:42
Shut up gronk
Thx :)
Thx
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😂😂😂😂😂😂 best comment
Why on earth would you ski through other skiers tracks on a wide open slope of endless powder🤔
It is also for safety reasons....people think covering old traces diminish the risk of avalange thats isnt totally true
@@freesoul1825 aàaà
@@markwadstrom5897 as an example once i was riding and i felt i broke something bit nothing happened, i think it was not safe following my track
@@freesoul1825 it s actually the opposite more tracks the more likely to slide. (exception to every rule)
@@Drew-in-NoDak no is not...also if you take the 3x3 method the presence of previous line is a risk reduction factor, but is probably taken too seriously, i think that the presence of lines should be the last factor taken into consideration, moreover the presence of previous lines do not say anything about the experience of the rider, it is possible that a rider is able to put less stress, by stressing just the superficial layers, than you on the snow, and what is "safe" for him, is not for you...also the risk of falling should be considered, and also it is possible that conditions are changed from the moment of the previous line...then obviously if in on part there is 40 lines and left this part there is no one, you should ask yourself why there is empty, possible that persons who know the place better than you know that from that side avalnache happen more frequently, you should always prepare your line at home, and at the place, when you see lines taken your considerations
"what about me" ?? LOL
WTF??
stay here.
bye...;)
evidence this kid is early 20s
Lmao, what about me?
It isn't fair !
A true milk drinkers quote
dude, next time ask yourself "what do I do in this scenario" before freeriding.
I had friends killed in an avalanche about 15 years ago. She triggered the avalanche and he went after her. They found them a few days later. I often wondered what they saw...this brought up a lot of emotions. Nature can be so beautiful but so powerful! Amazing video! Thanks for sharing.
Sorry for your Lost
Friggen beautiful up there though. As a non-skier I never really understood why people risk going into avalanche zones but seeing this I can see how people would be lured in!
I thought heaven too. However, when I realized they don’t know what they are doing, I thought what’s up with the guide. He is barely audible and his instructions are see you at the bottom. I blame the helicopter company for caring more about making money than getting real guides.
The helicopter companies are just contracted in to do the flying. The ski outfit will be hiring guides.
if thats a guide, and yes i think he probably is... he did an ultra shit job of guiding his clients. he gave this guy no instructions whatso ever. no pointing, no nothing. just left him abandoned. really poor . this guy was new to avalanches. not everyone is an expert. that's why you take a guide and the guide needs to step up to 'guide' his damn clients using his experience.
guiding FAIL !!
He needs to stay put until Spring thaw.
This group should not have been in avalanche terrain. Towards the beginning of the video you see little balls of snow accumulating and rolling down near the tracks. This is an idication of very wet snow, the kind that has begun to melt and create water between facets. When you get heavy snow poorly bonded to its underlying layer you get a recipe for a wet slab slide like we saw in this video. This is a manageable risk for someone with good snow sense and route finding ability, unfortunately this crew has neither.
little overreacting
Easy to say when sitting behind a computer screen
I've been snowboarding since 1989. I've had worse experiences than that and didn't make such a big deal about it
spraymaster Yea and maybe this was his first experience ever with an avalanche
spraymaster you’re overreacting now.
@@spraymaster You are the man!
points out a rock sticking out of the top of a roller indicating thinner coverage, proceeds to ski perpendicular to the fall line and acts shocked when a slab breaks off. LOL
I honestly thought it would happen 3 times with these decisions. The top was all warning too and they were just bunched up like penguins the whole time
Not everyone is an expert
@@tremon3688 I’m aware, that’s why you bring an expert with you or take avi classes before heading into backcountry and getting yourself killed.
@@tremon3688 Then not everyone should be in the backcountry
@@tristanpollack6232 im ready
Can someone bring him his diaper 😂
lmao
Man... don't stop there right on the crown where the avalanche broke off. That snow's no more stable than the snow inches beyond it that just sloughed off, nor is the slope at your back any shallower.
What's wrong with natural selection?
V obviously a lot considering the way our world is going
@@Sea_bear_42 not enough natural selection these days, that's the real problem.
Is there any way I can contact you about using this video in a film that im making as part of a university project?
lolol
One at a time fellas, party skiing will get you killed eventually.
It is very tempting though, I have to admit that it's one of those images (gliding through that powder together) which lured me into backcountry in the first place. I guess would be nice to at least spread out as much as possible and have a spotter at all times, if there is more than 2 persons in the group.
@@borysvengerov3398 if you are in avalanche terrain you owe it to yourself and your friends to ski 1 at a time. Good protocols will overcome bad forecasting or bad analysis. You never want to be in a position where 1 person is rescuing multiple burials and possibly dealing with multiple injuries. You always want multiple people searching, and hopefully rescuing, a single burial. Just some advice from an old backcountry ski guide.
@@borysvengerov3398 it is very tempting lol
Dang.
Seriously don't know which way to go when the slab has already broken off below you and still standing on it? Go forth young man! Lets do that again lol. The snow is waiting... Lacking basic common sense and understanding of how and why avalanches occur. Has zero business being there without a guide (who would have hopefully seen the risk). Also that was basically extremely flat. They were lucky it wasn't a 45 degree grade (if any of them could stay upright). Regardless, if that was on a 45 degree pitch the entire slab would have been down on them. Pointless video except what not to do. Also sick of people saying pow and pow pow. Sounds like baby talk. Wish I had all my time back I wasted now on this.
Get what your saying but these guys www.heliskiingcanada.ca are some of the best around. They run Skeena and many more in B.C
Avalanches are less likely on slopes steeper than 45°
Can you please explain what you should do in this situation. I'm just a newbie skier and the algorithm brought me here.. I'm actually really curious about what the proper thing to do here would be.. even though I'll probably never ski down a slope like this in my life lol
Haha this is some weeny hut jr stuff
One at a time from safe zone to safe zone, radios would be killer, and group is way too big. Thanks for the video as it shows how quickly things can change in zeh mountains yah!
Hope you’ve taken an avalanche safety course since this.
Lots of people complaining that he has no proper training to be in the backcountry (which is true) but this guy is clearly on a heli ski trip. Guest at heli ski lodge rarely have any experience in the back country and are only trained for rescue when they get to the lodge so hence the complete lack of knowledge when put into a real scenario. Don’t judge too fast. That’s literally 95% of the customers on a heli ski trip
Avalanches always start in slow motion.
Glad no one was hurt. This was a very good lesson about the dangers. Other than that this seems like the perfect day :)
I see a lot of comments saying that they handled this completely wrong. As a newbie skier and someone who came here because of the algorithm, can someone pls explain to me what the proper thing to do in this situation would be?
Hypothesis: skiing terrain which just avalanched is the safest route. One exception is continuous wind-loading.
Skiing all in a close group, the guides chin strap on his helmet is flapping around and he ski cut the convex roll with everyone in the party following closely. Looks like a pretty cowboy outfit
"please move away above me and slice another nice slab to potentially come down on me" :D
Its because they will not be dragged down from the top together with him then no one can dig him up. Thats a golden rule, avoid standing in the same line/path. Stand horizontally.
@@berrafatale25yearsago87 yea I get that, still think it was a bad call.
@@unusualbydefault so what your solution in that particular moment?
@@berrafatale25yearsago87 move away from the dangerous spot first and then let the others follow?
@@unusualbydefault so you suggesting he makes a move, shit starts to slide even more, pulls down his friends and now everyone is burried and left dying without anyone else to help them?
You shouldn't even be out there. Go back to the green runs....
Where do I go.....
Idk if you have ever been on the slopes but this looks pretty decent tbh
hes not a bad skier, just never skied back country obviously
He is a good skier. Just unexperienced out of the resort
Endless fresh powder and he decides to ski on someone else’s tracks😐
@Yelaa Bob well really the point is that the snow covers up all of the rocks and the obstacles like roots and so there is more terrain to ski. Also when it doesn’t snow, the snow gets packed down and really icey so then it’s really hard to stop.
@Yelaa Bob and I don't find regular ski slopes fun. I guess it's all preference but powder skiing is not about the speed but about the feeling
Damn skiing here looks like a dream still close call
It’s a major pain in the ass to get out to it though
Was it Heli skiing? How much did you pay per day for whole group?
@michoel panzok awesome, thanks
Remember: avalanches can be triggered by very small vibrations in the right conditions, so if ever you find yourself in a high risk situation, YeLL LouDLy aNd StOMp
Sound does nothing for avalanches. that is just a myth.
@@tristanpollack6232 sounds are vibrations and stomping is also vibrating the ground both do the same thing but stomping vibrates the ground more
@@AshtonSTG mm yeah okay good luck with screaming at the snow lol
@@exodeus7959 no one asked for politics
I always bring a pneumatic drill with me to drill some calm into the mountain
Anybody else realize how amazing that place is
Una sciata così dev'essere meravigliosa..uno spettacolo mozzafiato.
Avalanche at 3:45
You should let us know what company you are skiing with?
Yes sir, this is our approximate location and just how Quick you think you can get that Astar here to pick us up???...
Congrats on 1k that place looks amazing
Where is this? I want to go there. That way I won’t crash into a tree like I did last time!😆
Did this guy not see the snow cracking everywhere before it happened? He should've realized it wasn't safe in the first place.
Which place???
Guide. Buckle your helmet dude.
Pad nanny 😂😂
Comment ont-ils pu accéder ds ce secteur, à pieds ça paraît très compliqué, ont-ils été héliportés ?
Before Reading comments. I thought:
Too Big of Group
All riding together on same lines
And the “pow pow” comment made the guy sound dumb..
Wasn’t surprised when he had no idea what to do after avalanche.
That being said wouldn’t it be obvious?
Jeff Heyer exactly my thoughts. Even when he told the guide to stop showing off when he got like 1ft of air of that little jump.
Yes I was like pow pow? Really? That guy has obviously never seen good powder 😂
What do you do?
You scream down that face as fast as you can.
What was the grade of inclination?
Did you get there by heli? or hike up?
Absolutely beautiful
How many times did the camera say shit?
Which place is this? Please replay
Living in BC, I was curious how close to this place I was...
I pulled the Skeena Range up on Google maps and tried to get directions. No luck.
How in the world do you get to the top in order to ride down?
The chopper I hear in background, is that their ride?
Nothing happened
Well not nothing but not much
Ist That a Guide That took you there?
Thats the cutest avalanche I’ve ever seen
"What about me?" One of those times when you should keep your thoughts to yourself...
Umm.... Why?
@@kebab2275 I don't remember. Sounds like a stupid comment now🙄
One mistake the made was continued traversing across the most convex section of the slope where it’s most likely to fracture and by side skiing they are putting max force on snow.
These people have no business being out there!
Где это место?!
Pretty sketchy if it slides as soon as it's steep enough to make turns.
Loved that the skiing part started right away. But than I will have to quote you "holy shit" I'm going to subscribe :)
Where is it ? Whats the place ?
Why just saw this on the main page years after? 🤔
Is this earth?
The mountain was like" you want good snow, I'll give you good snow!" That place is epic! how many vertical was this run!!
I'm never forget back in 1983 I was skiing at the Highlands in Aspen and I was right off of Iran called steeplechase and I was in some sort of a mood and I went out of bounds for a little bit and it was trying to get over to wear some untracked skin would be and I was up to my neck in some
Where is this place ?
The title is a hint. ''Skeen range'' in British Columbia , Canada. That's the big fuck off country just north of USA if you're still struggling and BC is the western most province.
Why so many dislikes ?
hi,which mountain is that beautiful spot?
The snow rolling from 1:30 should show have been a warning signal that ‘lanches were likely.
Must have been the first time he saw a small slab avalanche like that, from his reaction. I worked on Avalanche control for years and saw hundreds of them, and swam a few big ones too. The guide wasn’t fazed at all because he knows it happens all the time.
What did you expect skiing in areas like this?
Где , где это!?
Where is it!??
I'm assuming that was bigger than it looks in the video. Cause somehow in the video it doesn't look like that much of an avalanche.
Anyone else drooled a bit from that powder and fresh made tracks?
Are you kidding that avalanche looks fun to be in its not even bad
Wax?
where is the place ???
yup, signs of wind loading at the top and then skiing a convex roller, plus group mentality. If you get buried you can be dug up. scarier to be crushed and mangled by the big blocks. this vid was posted so long ago but there u go, viewers.
That was a very small slide. Something you don't want to fuck with but not worth the "holy shit!" and "what about me?" comments.
That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than that over price crappy Park Ciity, Utah Gwyynth Paltrow bull shit
Wow its like an endless expanse of snow. I wish i could keep going and going forever
What do you expect to happen?
Wow! I have never seen anything like this before. I mean, civilization wasn't in any direction! Gorgeous scenery but it gave me a twisted stomach feeling like it was literally the middle of no where, in snow.
What about me!!?? Dude I was thinking the saaaame thing.. everyone else high, and ok.... and you're right in the path of another release from above
Been watching Avalanches for last hour.
And now I can tell the telltale signs.
Convex slope...35 degrees...???
where is this?
Absolutely beautiful. I hope i get to visit a place like that someday
I bet not a clue , nor a single shovel, nor a single probe, nor a single idea about what degree slope and when slopes are most prone to let go - "but what about me? what am I supposed to do?" have you ever seen such an accident waiting to happen - no wonder so many succumb each winter in the mountains - 90 percent have no business being there!
The little rolling "snow-nuts" say it all!
All that space and everyone in the same single track and making 8s.
Generally, if your doing guided skiing, you do what the guide says. You never ski below the guide & the group skis left or right of the guide track as directed. Failure to comply = goodbye.
What a totally surreal landscape. It may as well be one of the Martian poles.
POV : you are watching this in 2020 and wish you can go and ski but because of corona and quarentine you can’t.
- Knock knock! - Who is it? - It's me, your angel guardian.
Isn’t it weird how the videographer feels put out by nature? Yes that was a small and dangerous avalanche. Yes none were hurt and you need to proceed with caution. People seem to have less logic and class than I give them credit for.
Found the idiot
What the fuck do I do!?!? Had me rolling 😂
When It’s the mountain you look at from your house. 👌
K2 pontoon, same as mine :-)