Watching this, has brought back so many memories of all the gut wrenching disappointments of Racehorse ownership. Very hard to advise your next move. For me the decision to get out of the game, was the hardest part. Once i had made that decision, things got easier & several years on, i have no regrets. I had always aspired to owning a racehorse and having achieved that, the memories of those days will stay with me for the rest of my life. Good luck fella, " It's not always dark at 5 o'clock".
It can’t be easy dealing with such high levels of disappointment and frustration so I feel for you. Hopefully your beloved Max can regain his form soon
I know the feeling of being so passionately involved in a pastime and not getting the results you feel you deserve. Try take a step back and dont let it affect your state of mind . Good luck , and that on the whole is horde racing ..
Don't blame you for being fed up. I would be annoyed if a trainer told me my horse was not fit after the race. What is the trainers job? It is imperative that horses are fit to perform, especially if they have had a past injury. Keep smiling, and Happy Christmas, Steven.
Watched the video Matt. Yes it's hard with disappointments. It was the same with Revich where he was a star but when this year the light was not there. Of course I'm a syndicate owner as you know. Did have a few NH horses but the injuries on gallops etc. Been on the flat with lots of horses. Been successfull. Ownership is hard cos not getting the results etc. But then it clicks and your out of the dark tunnel. Hard to explain writing this to explain myself. Just a suggestion for Max. Wonder give him a spin on All-Weather. As there not alot of jumps races in the program book in Jan-Feb. Just a idea.
@ thanks Jamie. Don’t think he is quick enough for the flat these day. That’s my worry that the light has gone out. Hope it’s fitness but time will tell. Thanks for sharing the journey
Chin up, remember life is full of swings and roundabouts. I think the most important aspect is that Kamaxos is healthy, fit, free from injury and happy. The performance on the race track you're expecting will no doubt come but until then you and the team will need to remain upbeat and patient. There's little point in you stressing yourself out worrying about things you have little control over, you'll make yourself ill. Here's wishing you all the best in your ownership and I really hope Kamaxos can put his best leg forward when he next races.
I am sorry you are disappointed, and it's good that you are being honest. The cold, hard facts are that Max and 90% of most racehorses are only going to win once in every so often, and most people are in it for the love of it - they have to be! If you think Max might be a bit jaded, then I would suggest Mark Walford based near York. Best wishes and Happy Christmas!
The horse had nearly two years off before the start of this year so plainly had had a major problem. He didn't run disastrously at Taunton, only beaten 12 lengths. The horse has never won off the mark he ran off at Taunton. The horse bled at Warwick the run before and no trainer will work a bleeder to maximum effort at home. Whilst I feel your frustration, I do think your expectations are wholly unrealistic for this horse, at least currently. It maybe you simply don't have the temperament and patience for ownership, which is not intended to be a criticism, but an observation
Matt I’m sorry you are feeling disappointed. You have a great love for your horse 🐎. It is a difficult business but it seems you do it more out of love than profit and would love to see Max win just as much for him as for you. You have a great team looking after Max. Here’s wishing you a wonderful Christmas and enjoy your well deserved break in January.
Ex Mr Dunlop lad, never had a unfit horse run, sometimes run first time out to sharpern them up. Its a sport now that is getting harder for little owners and staff to have the good days, as the big guns are paying so much for horse! But without them and the likes of yourself the sport dead. Chin up keep going as my days at the races are for me to see little owners conquer and get that big prize ❤❤❤
@onecarefulowner please keep going and uploading videos as its the closest I will get to owning a race horse. Have a fab holiday and all the best to max 😀
I feel your pain. The last few videos I have watched have not given you much encouragement and I really thought you were wasting your time with this horse until you said he had won the previous season. Maybe he has ability, maybe he has fallen out of love with racing, there is any number of possibilities. But you are on the hook for the ongoing training bills so the least I would be hoping for from your trainer and jockey would be honesty..Hopefully you are getting that, but I have my doubts, quiite frankly.
Thanks Terry. I really appreciate you reaching out and being part of my journey. I really do not feel that anyone is being dishonest with me. It’s too early to say either way what Max will achieve. I still have a hunch that he is might have a career over the fences but first before going back to that I want him to show some positive form over Hurdles. He has some smart form over Hurdles and I hope he still wants to do it. Like you say , so many different possibilities. You don’t go bad over night. Thanks again
As a fellow nh owner I feel your pain. My advice is to have a very frank conversation with the trainer. He’s the expert. Does he think you’re wasting your time & money? If he’s the decent trainer you have made him out to be he’ll be honest with you. If not it’s time to move on.
@@colindempster4524 thanks. I can’t believe he has gone over night. Very bad mistake at Warwick jumping fences for the first time and hopefully the run was needed last time. We will see next time. Max has some good form last season and very consistent. Fingers crossed 🤞
Completely understandable mate being fed up especially after being told he wasn’t fit. I’ve had 2 horses now (in syndicates but a decent share in each ) over the last 2 years and both have been terrible sadly. I think as owners we do it for the love of the sport and more so the love of horses. Like you say we as owners put so much into the sport especially financially aswell as other things and feel you don’t really get much back at all. Keep going though mate , you know when things do click into place, eventually, that winning feeling will be even sweeter when it happens. And just remind yourself, what you are doing only most people can ever dream of 🤝
Hello . I remember first going to races in mid 70 s at the likes of sedgefield . 170 quid first prize in a selling hurdle. 22 quid for finishing 3rd. To what it is today..i wish you all the luck lad . And im sure your pride and joy will come good . I will watch out for it.
I know it’s a very personal thing but I’ve wondered if you’ve considered changing stables? Roger only has a 6% hurdles strike rate over the last 5 years, so effectively for every 20 races Max is racing in he’s only supposed to win 1 race, based on those stats at least. I wish you all the best with Max, I just wondered if a jumps-only trainer would be more appropriate for Max? 🙏🏻
Roger does not have many jump horses so the stats do not give a true reflection really. I hear what you are saying but Roger has trained Max for a while and he has won and been placed in a few big races. It’s sport , nothing easy. It’s part of the journey.
Max is a professional racehorse so fitness should never be an issue, that’s why you pay training fees sounds like a big 4wks for trainer + horse. You’ve several options regarding max going forward enjoy your time away I’m sure your hard work and perseverance will hopefully reap the rewards they richly deserve.
My advice to someone new to racing. Get into a good syndicate. Gives you a feel for the ups and downs. If you have ££££££ ( bear in mind the purchase of the hose is minor compared to upkeep: trainers fees, feed, bedding, vets, farriers, physios, transport, insurance etc etc) start out with a couple of nice mares from good Irish bloodlines. ( preferably Coolmoe NH stallions). Mares have been so underrated: they are tough and resilient, and when they finish their racing career you can breed a nice horse of your own, or sell them on at- at current Goffs returns- a big €€€€€€.
@ IME the french horses mature early and fade quickly . There was a mad rush to buy up anything french bred and raced at 4 over jumps in the 90s. But this was before Coolmore got their act together and realised the power and potential their stallions had ( which of course the french realised 30yrs ago). I was interested to see in the Paris olympics how many of the top performing horses were mares. Can’t better a good one.
@@onecarefulownermy favourite underrated stallion is Nathaniel (Galileo - Magnificent Style(Silver Hawk))who stands at a bargain £20K at Newsells Park. Just look at his progeny book headed by ENABLE. Walk In The Park (Montjeu- Classic Park (Robellino)) is now ex-directory at Coolmore NH. Nathaniel and Golden Horn ( Overbury Stud) is where i’d look to buy from if i couldn’t stand a mare.
I dont recall Roger saying he was unfit. He said he hadnt really had a run after the PU so he lacked that race sharpness. His next race will tell you a lot about his current attitude towards racing. Horses always come on for a race, just as football players only become match sharp by playing matches. Keep your chin up, and keep faith in Roger and the team.
Thanks Paul. We all know he can cone forward massively for it. It’s fine to feel disappointed. Racing has many complex factors when it comes to placing . I am someone who needs a plan. It’s how I have had success in other aspects. I give it my all. Thanks again
Loyalty is everything in all walks of life but it’s your horse and you pay the bills we had horses with Robert cowell many moons ago and he was loyal and honest with us and got a few wins 👍 I hope your horse wins a race or two and I’m sure roger teal will do his best. It’s a long term game and need to be patient
Hi mate really enjoy your videos Roger is a good trainer of flat horses but I would stick him wim with a jumps trainer to fulfill his full potential. James Owen. Aj honyball. Emma levelle. Only Murphy
Thanks for your opinion. It’s a case of seeing what happens next time. He got no run due to a bad mistake first time out over fences and will come forward from the run at Taunton. I think we have all learnt something. Time to stay positive and do the best for Max
I would deffinatly swap trainer. This sport is ruthless, and no time for trainers not having the horse fit. Every day that ticks the horse gets older. You know the score mate, you don't need me telling u that.Get the horse with Grenhall.. He is a brilliant up and coming trainer.
Hope you won't mind me commenting as i don't know very much about owning a racehorse but i can understand human nature. You have clearly put a lot if yourself into this project and are not getting back what you hoped for. I understand that most iwners are in the same position with disappointing horses. No one would invest money ,time , emotions if they knew beforehand that it wasn't going to be any good. Its time to take take stock ,as you say, and decide do you want to go on. Unless you are a very rich owner who can shrug disappointments casually aside because he can always move onto the next expensive horse without a second thought i wouldn't continue. Think of the Arabs who spent hundreds of thousands on a horse for it to turn out no use and sold for a pittance. They can afford that option. Also one final thought, many horses are only much a muchness and always will be and thats just their level.
Not at all. Thanks for the message. Look, I know the pitfalls I had a horse that never made the races before. Easy things are not worth having in my book. It’s all part of the journey
I’d like to know why you have a jumps horse trained by someone who is a flat trainer? The first thing i’d ask is how many capable horses does mine go out with on the gallops and for jumps training. Looking at your trainer’s current record and stable roster, that would be 0. You need to make up your mind to be a jumps owner and switch yards, or a flat owner and put your hand deep in your pocket.
@@lulabellegnostic8402 Roger trains both. Just not as many jumpers. I hear what you are saying. Let’s see where we are at the end of the season. Thanks for leaving a message. Great to see everyone’s opinions with our community
A lot of people are ignoring about race horse ownership the money 💰 you spend on a race horse it's money you are not supposed to miss and it can be a cruel sport 8 out of 10 race horses never win a race Ann Murphy Ireland
You don’t lose ability overnight. Roger had him right last year , we had success. Leave Roger to do his Job and I am sure he will be back. That’s horses for you.
@onecarefulowner You are resistant to change. It is comfortable for you now. The yard is probably near your house, you probably like Roger, his staff etc. You have happy memories that you don't want to tarnish. These are normal emotions. You should, however, accept that you are making that choice as opposed to making excuses.
I'm certainly not saying anyone or any horse has a god given right to a win, but some of these trainers always seem to have plenty of excuses up there're sleeves at times.
This is true in many cases but Roger tells it how he sees it. I understand racing , so no one is going to pull the wool over my eyes. I make my own mind up. Bottom line is, it’s the racecourse where it matters. Not an easy game , that’s for sure. We must move forward. Thanks for being part of my journey.
@@gazza9511 I am full of mixed emotions. Just disappointed to see Max form drop off so bad. It does seem and the trainer is convinced he will come on a bundle for that. It’s sport. Full of ups and downs. My club (Reading) got beat 3-0 Saturday. I was just the same then. I am fully committed to everything I do. 💪
Unless you actually ride or work in a yard yourself it must be so difficult to completely understand the complex ins and outs of horse training. Why not get more physically involved ....just a suggestion . Horses are like people and have unavoidable issues .
Have you discussed issues re fitness with your trainer as totally unacceptable not just for you but the betting public, would a high profile trainer tell a TV pundit live on air " nah don't back as unfit. Change trainer I'd suggest or get out not worth it health wise ???
Thanks for your message. We did not know before the race how badly Max seemed to need it….It’s really important to share the journey as it is. Many ups and downs. It’s the reality and difficulties everyone faces.
Sorry to say it and I am not trying to wind you up but its completely unacceptable to have a horse unfit at the races. I assume you will not be billed? If you are they is no decency in what already is a corrupt sport
Thank you for taking the time to message. There was no intention from the trainer to produce Max to the races not fit enough. Its in no one interest but I respect your comments all the same. Thank you
With a trainer who is flat dominated, i would imagine it is hard to coordinate the training of a 2M plus hurdler with the sprinters which he is known for. Personally, i would move the horse to a jumping yard.
@ thank you for watching and commenting within our community. It’s for sure very different training. Much more slower , stamina work. Roger knows how to produce Max. He has done so beautifully only last year. Time will tell
@ in my experience, it is not possible to be a ‘dual purpose’ trainer. Sorry Alan. Richard Roger etc etc. How many horses do they have that can run round the extended gallops ( if they have them) to maintain a training group? How many of that limited number have training jumps in a school, let alone outside school
Not being funny but if you put a national hunt horse in training with a flat trainer you more or less deserve what you get from it. The trainer has had 5 winners in 5 years. 2 of them for you.
Thanks for your opinion. Roger has very limited jump horses so the number you mention is not very relevant. It’s easy to point to him being a flat trainer but Max performed well last year. Let’s see what happens, I have faith just disappointed which is fine. It’s sport
@onecarefulowner Even in that video you showed there, the yard is dead. How much schooling is done? Is he working with flat horses? Does he school alone? It is not a genuine dual-purpose yard if there's only one or two national hunt horses. The answer is staring you in the face.
Anything to do with horses is difficult, I've felt the same as anyone around horses have. Keep at it, have your break and come back refreshed and ready for what decisions you make!
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If what you say is true then your trainer is in violation of racing rules. This is not the 60’s event if the trainer thinks it is. Not sure why you stable a jumper with a flat trainer whose jump record is at best abysmal. I personally would stable the horse with a trainer who is a nh trainer not a trainer making extra money attempting nh. He obviously doesn’t care about fitness and thats probably the reason he has never been any good. There is a race for Max if you care to get him a trainer who actually trains them and doesn’t go through the motions just to get the fees. I have owned several horses over the past 4 decades, none have been worldbeaters but I got into racing with my eyes wide open. I didn’t get in with the express intention of making money, I got in for the thrill of being an owner. As Bernard Llewellyn once said about an offer on a horse he owned- if racing gives you the chance to make a quick profit, take the money and run as it doesn’t happen often
@@JackBurton-w7x thanks for your thoughts. Just want to be clear that it was not known how much the horse needed it. I have my eyes open and know the pitfalls. Time to kick on and see what happens
@ yes I appreciate that but any trainer worth their salts doesn’t run a horse unfit. The only exception might be a lazy home horse but even these get better fitness with training. Thats why it’s called training. My first horse went to a guy called Ben Wise, trained about 20 in Sussex. Raided and milked the local tracks, Fontwell, Plumpton, Folkestone and Lingfield mainly. Best known horse he had was Brahms and Listz, he always made sure they were ready. One thing they didn’t lack was fitness. Max is hardly Persian War is he !
I’d like to think he is 😂…I hear you. Of course horses need to be fit enough. Things have not been straight forward for Max with past injury and other things. Next time we will know much more. Who said life was going to be easy.
Watching this, has brought back so many memories of all the gut wrenching disappointments of Racehorse ownership. Very hard to advise your next move. For me the decision to get out of the game, was the hardest part. Once i had made that decision, things got easier & several years on, i have no regrets. I had always aspired to owning a racehorse and having achieved that, the memories of those days will stay with me for the rest of my life. Good luck fella, " It's not always dark at 5 o'clock".
@@unionjakjakson thanks, no doubt a tough game. Many ups and downs.
It can’t be easy dealing with such high levels of disappointment and frustration so I feel for you. Hopefully your beloved Max can regain his form soon
@@noseybirdadventures5880 thank you. No , not easy and so pleased most people understand that. Thanks again
I know the feeling of being so passionately involved in a pastime and not getting the results you feel you deserve.
Try take a step back and dont let it affect your state of mind .
Good luck , and that on the whole is horde racing ..
Absolutely, it’s raw footage I know but pleased I am showing it. Warts and all just like I said at the beginning of the journey
Don't blame you for being fed up. I would be annoyed if a trainer told me my horse was not fit after the race. What is the trainers job? It is imperative that horses are fit to perform, especially if they have had a past injury.
Keep smiling, and Happy Christmas, Steven.
Thank for your message. Hard old game and very expensive too . Nothing easy. See what the New Year brings.
Watched the video Matt. Yes it's hard with disappointments. It was the same with Revich where he was a star but when this year the light was not there.
Of course I'm a syndicate owner as you know. Did have a few NH horses but the injuries on gallops etc. Been on the flat with lots of horses. Been successfull.
Ownership is hard cos not getting the results etc. But then it clicks and your out of the dark tunnel. Hard to explain writing this to explain myself.
Just a suggestion for Max. Wonder give him a spin on All-Weather. As there not alot of jumps races in the program book in Jan-Feb. Just a idea.
@ thanks Jamie. Don’t think he is quick enough for the flat these day. That’s my worry that the light has gone out. Hope it’s fitness but time will tell. Thanks for sharing the journey
Back to it for you both .. we are watching with all our positivity behind you ... good luck 🍀🍀
@@MidlandAngler lovely. Thank you. 🙏
Chin up, remember life is full of swings and roundabouts. I think the most important aspect is that Kamaxos is healthy, fit, free from injury and happy. The performance on the race track you're expecting will no doubt come but until then you and the team will need to remain upbeat and patient. There's little point in you stressing yourself out worrying about things you have little control over, you'll make yourself ill.
Here's wishing you all the best in your ownership and I really hope Kamaxos can put his best leg forward when he next races.
Thank you so much.
I am sorry you are disappointed, and it's good that you are being honest. The cold, hard facts are that Max and 90% of most racehorses are only going to win once in every so often, and most people are in it for the love of it - they have to be! If you think Max might be a bit jaded, then I would suggest Mark Walford based near York. Best wishes and Happy Christmas!
Best wishes to you too. Thanks for getting in contact
The horse had nearly two years off before the start of this year so plainly had had a major problem. He didn't run disastrously at Taunton, only beaten 12 lengths. The horse has never won off the mark he ran off at Taunton. The horse bled at Warwick the run before and no trainer will work a bleeder to maximum effort at home. Whilst I feel your frustration, I do think your expectations are wholly unrealistic for this horse, at least currently. It maybe you simply don't have the temperament and patience for ownership, which is not intended to be a criticism, but an observation
Matt I’m sorry you are feeling disappointed. You have a great love for your horse 🐎. It is a difficult business but it seems you do it more out of love than profit and would love to see Max win just as much for him as for you. You have a great team looking after Max. Here’s wishing you a wonderful Christmas and enjoy your well deserved break in January.
@@RitaStack thank you. 🙏
Ex Mr Dunlop lad, never had a unfit horse run, sometimes run first time out to sharpern them up.
Its a sport now that is getting harder for little owners and staff to have the good days, as the big guns are paying so much for horse! But without them and the likes of yourself the sport dead. Chin up keep going as my days at the races are for me to see little owners conquer and get that big prize ❤❤❤
Thanks so much for watching and leaving a comment
@onecarefulowner please keep going and uploading videos as its the closest I will get to owning a race horse. Have a fab holiday and all the best to max 😀
@ so pleased you are enjoying the candid content.
Just to add I'm part of the Owners Group and we receive brilliant up to date information
@@darrenvelinsky3692 good to hear.
I feel your pain. The last few videos I have watched have not given you much encouragement and I really thought you were wasting your time with this horse until you said he had won the previous season. Maybe he has ability, maybe he has fallen out of love with racing, there is any number of possibilities.
But you are on the hook for the ongoing training bills so the least I would be hoping for from your trainer and jockey would be honesty..Hopefully you are getting that, but I have my doubts, quiite frankly.
Thanks Terry. I really appreciate you reaching out and being part of my journey. I really do not feel that anyone is being dishonest with me. It’s too early to say either way what Max will achieve. I still have a hunch that he is might have a career over the fences but first before going back to that I want him to show some positive form over Hurdles. He has some smart form over Hurdles and I hope he still wants to do it. Like you say , so many different possibilities. You don’t go bad over night. Thanks again
As a fellow nh owner I feel your pain. My advice is to have a very frank conversation with the trainer. He’s the expert. Does he think you’re wasting your time & money? If he’s the decent trainer you have made him out to be he’ll be honest with you. If not it’s time to move on.
@@colindempster4524 thanks. I can’t believe he has gone over night. Very bad mistake at Warwick jumping fences for the first time and hopefully the run was needed last time. We will see next time. Max has some good form last season and very consistent. Fingers crossed 🤞
Completely understandable mate being fed up especially after being told he wasn’t fit.
I’ve had 2 horses now (in syndicates but a decent share in each ) over the last 2 years and both have been terrible sadly.
I think as owners we do it for the love of the sport and more so the love of horses. Like you say we as owners put so much into the sport especially financially aswell as other things and feel you don’t really get much back at all.
Keep going though mate , you know when things do click into place, eventually, that winning feeling will be even sweeter when it happens. And just remind yourself, what you are doing only most people can ever dream of 🤝
Lovely , thank you so much . Have a lovely Xmas and Happy New Year
Like all walks of life mate, its always harder at the coalface. Patience and perseverance. Stay strong
Many thanks for watching and reaching out. Sometimes you just have to say it how it is. Happy New Year
Hello . I remember first going to races in mid 70 s at the likes of sedgefield . 170 quid first prize in a selling hurdle. 22 quid for finishing 3rd. To what it is today..i wish you all the luck lad . And im sure your pride and joy will come good . I will watch out for it.
Thanks 🙏
I know it’s a very personal thing but I’ve wondered if you’ve considered changing stables? Roger only has a 6% hurdles strike rate over the last 5 years, so effectively for every 20 races Max is racing in he’s only supposed to win 1 race, based on those stats at least. I wish you all the best with Max, I just wondered if a jumps-only trainer would be more appropriate for Max? 🙏🏻
Roger does not have many jump horses so the stats do not give a true reflection really. I hear what you are saying but Roger has trained Max for a while and he has won and been placed in a few big races. It’s sport , nothing easy. It’s part of the journey.
Max is a professional racehorse so fitness should never be an issue, that’s why you pay training fees sounds like a big 4wks for trainer + horse. You’ve several options regarding max going forward enjoy your time away I’m sure your hard work and perseverance will hopefully reap the rewards they richly deserve.
@@geezer553 thanks so much for watching and being part of the journey
My advice to someone new to racing. Get into a good syndicate. Gives you a feel for the ups and downs. If you have ££££££ ( bear in mind the purchase of the hose is minor compared to upkeep: trainers fees, feed, bedding, vets, farriers, physios, transport, insurance etc etc) start out with a couple of nice mares from good Irish bloodlines. ( preferably Coolmoe NH stallions). Mares have been so underrated: they are tough and resilient, and when they finish their racing career you can breed a nice horse of your own, or sell them on at- at current Goffs returns- a big €€€€€€.
@@lulabellegnostic8402 I had a mare before from France, she never made the racetrack. It’s a hard game but that’s what makes it fun 🤩
@ IME the french horses mature early and fade quickly . There was a mad rush to buy up anything french bred and raced at 4 over jumps in the 90s. But this was before Coolmore got their act together and realised the power and potential their stallions had ( which of course the french realised 30yrs ago). I was interested to see in the Paris olympics how many of the top performing horses were mares. Can’t better a good one.
@ interesting thoughts. Thanks for being part of my journey
@@onecarefulownermy favourite underrated stallion is Nathaniel (Galileo - Magnificent Style(Silver Hawk))who stands at a bargain £20K at Newsells Park. Just look at his progeny book headed by ENABLE. Walk In The Park (Montjeu- Classic Park (Robellino)) is now ex-directory at Coolmore NH. Nathaniel and Golden Horn ( Overbury Stud) is where i’d look to buy from if i couldn’t stand a mare.
@ thank you. Good knowledge
I dont recall Roger saying he was unfit. He said he hadnt really had a run after the PU so he lacked that race sharpness.
His next race will tell you a lot about his current attitude towards racing.
Horses always come on for a race, just as football players only become match sharp by playing matches.
Keep your chin up, and keep faith in Roger and the team.
Thanks Paul. We all know he can cone forward massively for it. It’s fine to feel disappointed. Racing has many complex factors when it comes to placing . I am someone who needs a plan. It’s how I have had success in other aspects. I give it my all. Thanks again
Loyalty is everything in all walks of life but it’s your horse and you pay the bills we had horses with Robert cowell many moons ago and he was loyal and honest with us and got a few wins 👍 I hope your horse wins a race or two and I’m sure roger teal will do his best. It’s a long term game and need to be patient
I am a very loyal person and I appreciate your balanced comments. Let’s see what happens. Thanks for watching
@@onecarefulowner not having a pop at you and will follow your horse and hope you have a few wins 🤞
@@davidthomas450 thank you
Hi mate really enjoy your videos Roger is a good trainer of flat horses but I would stick him wim with a jumps trainer to fulfill his full potential. James Owen. Aj honyball. Emma levelle. Only Murphy
Thanks for your opinion. It’s a case of seeing what happens next time. He got no run due to a bad mistake first time out over fences and will come forward from the run at Taunton. I think we have all learnt something. Time to stay positive and do the best for Max
I would deffinatly swap trainer. This sport is ruthless, and no time for trainers not having the horse fit. Every day that ticks the horse gets older. You know the score mate, you don't need me telling u that.Get the horse with Grenhall.. He is a brilliant up and coming trainer.
Roger did not know the horse needed that much. Let’s see what happens next
Hope you won't mind me commenting as i don't know very much about owning a racehorse but i can understand human nature. You have clearly put a lot if yourself into this project and are not getting back what you hoped for. I understand that most iwners are in the same position with disappointing horses. No one would invest money ,time , emotions if they knew beforehand that it wasn't going to be any good.
Its time to take take stock ,as you say, and decide do you want to go on.
Unless you are a very rich owner who can shrug disappointments casually aside because he can always move onto the next expensive horse without a second thought i wouldn't continue.
Think of the Arabs who spent hundreds of thousands on a horse for it to turn out no use and sold for a pittance. They can afford that option.
Also one final thought, many horses are only much a muchness and always will be and thats just their level.
Not at all. Thanks for the message. Look, I know the pitfalls I had a horse that never made the races before. Easy things are not worth having in my book. It’s all part of the journey
I’d like to know why you have a jumps horse trained by someone who is a flat trainer? The first thing i’d ask is how many capable horses does mine go out with on the gallops and for jumps training. Looking at your trainer’s current record and stable roster, that would be 0. You need to make up your mind to be a jumps owner and switch yards, or a flat owner and put your hand deep in your pocket.
@@lulabellegnostic8402 Roger trains both. Just not as many jumpers. I hear what you are saying. Let’s see where we are at the end of the season. Thanks for leaving a message. Great to see everyone’s opinions with our community
A lot of people are ignoring about race horse ownership the money 💰 you spend on a race horse it's money you are not supposed to miss and it can be a cruel sport 8 out of 10 race horses never win a race Ann Murphy Ireland
But it’s a great sport. I love my time with Max and the journey although hard. I have worked hard all my life. Things easy are not worth having
The horse clearly has ability. Send him to Olly Murphy. Give him a year.
You don’t lose ability overnight. Roger had him right last year , we had success. Leave Roger to do his Job and I am sure he will be back. That’s horses for you.
@onecarefulowner You are resistant to change. It is comfortable for you now. The yard is probably near your house, you probably like Roger, his staff etc. You have happy memories that you don't want to tarnish. These are normal emotions. You should, however, accept that you are making that choice as opposed to making excuses.
@ thanks Ian.
i was involved in 8 horses,none won . the most efficent way to get rid of money known to man.
No doubt it’s a very expensive game. It’s sport, disappointed is a regular thing . It’s what makes the highs so high.
I'm certainly not saying anyone or any horse has a god given right to a win, but some of these trainers always seem to have plenty of excuses up there're sleeves at times.
This is true in many cases but Roger tells it how he sees it. I understand racing , so no one is going to pull the wool over my eyes. I make my own mind up. Bottom line is, it’s the racecourse where it matters. Not an easy game , that’s for sure. We must move forward. Thanks for being part of my journey.
What did Lilly Pinchin say about his fitness? How much work is Roger giving him?
Are you saying you are annoyed at the trainer for not having the horse fit as it wasn't clear 🤔
@@gazza9511 I am full of mixed emotions. Just disappointed to see Max form drop off so bad. It does seem and the trainer is convinced he will come on a bundle for that. It’s sport. Full of ups and downs. My club (Reading) got beat 3-0 Saturday. I was just the same then. I am fully committed to everything I do. 💪
Unless you actually ride or work in a yard yourself it must be so difficult to completely understand the complex ins and outs of horse training. Why not get more physically involved ....just a suggestion . Horses are like people and have unavoidable issues .
@@pixie706 absolutely 👍. Things go wrong which is why the highs are so high when winning. Thanks for watching
Have you discussed issues re fitness with your trainer as totally unacceptable not just for you but the betting public, would a high profile trainer tell a TV pundit live on air " nah don't back as unfit.
Change trainer I'd suggest or get out not worth it health wise ???
Thanks for your message. We did not know before the race how badly Max seemed to need it….It’s really important to share the journey as it is. Many ups and downs. It’s the reality and difficulties everyone faces.
Sorry to say it and I am not trying to wind you up but its completely unacceptable to have a horse unfit at the races. I assume you will not be billed? If you are they is no decency in what already is a corrupt sport
Thank you for taking the time to message. There was no intention from the trainer to produce Max to the races not fit enough. Its in no one interest but I respect your comments all the same. Thank you
With a trainer who is flat dominated, i would imagine it is hard to coordinate the training of a 2M plus hurdler with the sprinters which he is known for. Personally, i would move the horse to a jumping yard.
@ thank you for watching and commenting within our community. It’s for sure very different training. Much more slower , stamina work. Roger knows how to produce Max. He has done so beautifully only last year. Time will tell
Sue smith trainers... In Bingley if he is carrying condition then this will not help. Tough sport wish you all the best..
@ in my experience, it is not possible to be a ‘dual purpose’ trainer. Sorry Alan. Richard Roger etc etc. How many horses do they have that can run round the extended gallops ( if they have them) to maintain a training group? How many of that limited number have training jumps in a school, let alone outside school
Not being funny but if you put a national hunt horse in training with a flat trainer you more or less deserve what you get from it. The trainer has had 5 winners in 5 years. 2 of them for you.
Thanks for your opinion. Roger has very limited jump horses so the number you mention is not very relevant. It’s easy to point to him being a flat trainer but Max performed well last year. Let’s see what happens, I have faith just disappointed which is fine. It’s sport
@onecarefulowner Even in that video you showed there, the yard is dead. How much schooling is done? Is he working with flat horses? Does he school alone? It is not a genuine dual-purpose yard if there's only one or two national hunt horses. The answer is staring you in the face.
U shouldn't own horses.or at least keep ure distance .
Thanks for the comment
Anything to do with horses is difficult, I've felt the same as anyone around horses have.
Keep at it, have your break and come back refreshed and ready for what decisions you make!
@ absolutely, fantastic message. That’s the spirit
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If what you say is true then your trainer is in violation of racing rules. This is not the 60’s event if the trainer thinks it is. Not sure why you stable a jumper with a flat trainer whose jump record is at best abysmal. I personally would stable the horse with a trainer who is a nh trainer not a trainer making extra money attempting nh. He obviously doesn’t care about fitness and thats probably the reason he has never been any good. There is a race for Max if you care to get him a trainer who actually trains them and doesn’t go through the motions just to get the fees. I have owned several horses over the past 4 decades, none have been worldbeaters but I got into racing with my eyes wide open. I didn’t get in with the express intention of making money, I got in for the thrill of being an owner. As Bernard Llewellyn once said about an offer on a horse he owned- if racing gives you the chance to make a quick profit, take the money and run as it doesn’t happen often
@@JackBurton-w7x thanks for your thoughts. Just want to be clear that it was not known how much the horse needed it. I have my eyes open and know the pitfalls. Time to kick on and see what happens
@ yes I appreciate that but any trainer worth their salts doesn’t run a horse unfit. The only exception might be a lazy home horse but even these get better fitness with training. Thats why it’s called training. My first horse went to a guy called Ben Wise, trained about 20 in Sussex. Raided and milked the local tracks, Fontwell, Plumpton, Folkestone and Lingfield mainly. Best known horse he had was Brahms and Listz, he always made sure they were ready. One thing they didn’t lack was fitness. Max is hardly Persian War is he !
I’d like to think he is 😂…I hear you. Of course horses need to be fit enough. Things have not been straight forward for Max with past injury and other things. Next time we will know much more. Who said life was going to be easy.
I met Bernard Llewellyn and his family at Epsom races a couple of years ago, really lovely people.
@@kenoz6908 😁