If you do a dedicated top spin video, id love to know. I managed to get the rarest variat. The giant top spin in all 3 forms. The 2008 cycle on the GTS is the scariest experience I've ever had on a ride. For a good reason.
@@ryantheridemechanic th-cam.com/video/IHHtrawILYU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fr9Sy0mfr_JTQXn2 Theres the only video in existence of that 9 inversion cycle. Its kind of scary listening to the roar of the ride. Im pretty dang sure that if you were to put a bus at the bottom when the ride was doing its downward swing at full speed, the bus would be decimated without a dent to the ride. It was just too much, from a mechanical point of view even to a riders point of a view. You couldn't pay me a million dollars to ever ride it again in 08.
@@ryantheridemechanic I guess how amazing it is depends on perspective. Sure, it may be a small but elite theme park. But those of us who grew up there and know the park what it was like until about 20 years ago, will disagree (including myself). It is totally lacking the soul it had back in the day when it was still run by the founders... Not saying it is a bad park - it's just not Phantasialand anymore.
@@ryantheridemechanic This is my favorite park next to Efteling. Theming and food are over the top. Make sure to stay in one of the 3 hotels for the full experience.
That tight tolerance explains why B&M can retain such smooth rides for so long. It makes a difference long term too because it's less banging around that progressively makes it worse overtime otherwise.
@@DahBananaCannon the trains are very heavy on the modern inverts, more weight further from the track will lead to more rattling. I also wonder if modern B&Ms have less crush than older ones to make up for the polyurethane wheels having more friction than the nylon wheels they used to use.
You are right about the rain in the UK, we have about 2 hot days then back to the wet weather. We have only been on Hyperia once thus far, its an amazing element when it does slow right down. Thankfully it seems it back up and working reliably again.
Love your input Ryan. Please take a trip to cedar point and fix top thrill 2. I know if there's anybody that can do it at you. I bought a season pass just to ride that coaster as advertised and haven't been able to ride it yet. Class action lawsuit anybody?
@@JUSTINTHEGREDMAN if they need input on the situation I’d be glad to offer. But I’m sure they have a lot of engineers working on it coming up with the best solution.
lol I was at Hershey this weekend and was inline for skyrush and it just started pouring rain for like 30 minutes. but I was in the train house and I didn’t get wet. when the rain stopped and they sent around at test train and when it came back into the station it actually overshot the station by a little bit because they use drive tires to move the train in and out of the station, and when it came back it was soaking wet and slid right over there drive tires and they had to get maintenance out to revers the train back to home
At our B&M ride I used to operate, we actually had a thing called rain mode, which drastically reduced the speed that the train came to a stop in the station. We hated it as ops, as it added about 10 seconds to dispatches, but it was added due to this being a more than infrequent issue.
Closed bearings especially could also be subject to the target region originally specified based on climate and viscosity if there is a large departure variation.
@ryantheridemechanic I wasn't expecting that 6x price for custom greased components. I can only imagine what other cool stuff a park that does have that budget gets to order.
I wonder how the new Funtime Tower on the Dusseldorf Fair is going to be. It is going up now. It is a new kind of Observation tower with 4 rotating Gondolas holding 20 guests. 70 meter high tower. Look 360 it is called. Prototypes are often not going so well these days as of late. 😂
Love any video that talks about wheels and wheel assemblies lol. Thanks!!! Any thoughts on Canada’s Wonderland likely getting a premiere dual launch? Do those track tolerances from them worry you (should we be worried as Wonderland home park fans lol)?
@@bakerfx4968 I don’t like their tolerance but it works, And it works well. I think you will be in good hands. At the end of the day Premier makes a good product.
@patrickstrahm05 I went the day after and it's still the same park. It will take a while for changes and I doubt many will be felt at that particular park. Except now it's called a "legacy Cedar Fair park," lol.
I wonder if B&M offers a discounted rate with track tolerances. The last 3 or 4 B&Ms have been reported to have a rattle/shake to them. Dr. Diabolical, Iron Menace, Pipeline, and Penguin Trek. The reviews on them all seem to talk about a shake in the ride. Im gonna be riding Iron Menace here in about a month, so currently havent rudden any of them, just going off of review videos.
@Spike-sk7ql I'm going next weekend to Dorney, and Iron Menace is top of my list. I was on Raptor and Rougarou every trip to Cedar Point so far this summer, so I get a little rattled. I usually am not the type to complain about that unless it's Rougarou trying to bash my skull in on its restraints.
@@LTCoasters I have given up riding rouga-NO. CP is my home park, and that is the only thing I will flat out refuse to ride anymore. Every time, I come off with a migraine. Still absolutely love Raptor though.
What about the rubber compound of the wheels? Similarly to an F1 race where they have hard and soft tires... Harder tires moving faster than the softer ones. Just a thought...
@@ryantheridemechanicthey’re just very particular about how their image as a park is represented but also subject to a lot of privacy and consent laws in Germany. Phantasialand existing is such a drama for many reason so they have a lot of rules and regulations they must conform too just to be open. But it’s not just about videos like Talocan being drunk. When FLY came out there was a few videos of people who snuck a camera onto the ride to record the loading procedure (which is super badass) but also on ride POVs. The ride’s policies require ALL loose articles in a locker when you enter the queue and even use metal detector wands to verify everything is in a locker. So those unauthorized videos were quickly taken down and the person (if they could identify them) were banned from the park.
@@stonewallperformance I can understand that. On ride videos are forbidden in a lot of areas because it promotes people taking cameras on the ride. Or past a no martial check point. So I understand. This is why off ride videos are typically not an issue. Thank you.
They only strike videos with onride POVs because you are not allowed to film onride and uploading POVs is a violation of park rules. They are also very strict with filming in their shows (which is not allowed too).They have security watching the audiences and they immediately approve the people filming and ask them to stop.
was a thorpe over the past 2 days, got 5 rides in on hyperia and both trains were running fast at exactly the same speed (as far as i could tell) while riding and during testing so it seems like whatever was causing one train to be slower has been resolved
What's your honest opinion about TT2?? We're at a month since the last park statement. No trains have ran any tests in going on 3wks now. The only new activity is CP hired a construction company who were working on the switch track.Could be something,could be nothing. I think there is a much bigger issue at hand other than wheels,the park either doesn't know how to fix it(quickly) or they had to replace the trains as a whole.They have had the seats off the silver train atleast 3 separate times.What say you??
@@garywillis7253 with this much time passing I’m thinking they might be into total vehicle replacement. Can’t be so sure based off of time as things are taking a ridiculous amount of time these days.
@@ryantheridemechanic The lightning trains on paper are a great idea but when I heard they were machined out of a chunk of solid billet which raised concerns. Some parts of the chassis had to be machines thin so other components can fit in the area.I wonder if this could be a issue,stress cracks/fatigue in parts of the chassis..Could be talking out my ass but I'm just thinking what could possibly be going on. Thanks for your input
@@garywillis7253 anything is possible. But the area of focus seems to be the bottom of the train not the top. Just what i see. Who knows what’s happening behind closed doors.
@@ryantheridemechanicthe one in the vid is a huss, huss only ever made the solid axel (i think thats the best way to describe it) top spins. kmg, mondial, vekoma (rip wipeout), zamperla and i think moser all made/make top spin models where the arms can move independently. honestly would love to see a vid on top spins at some point.
The bit I am confused about, is the issue with Hyperia speed is only in the morning when its cold and empty trains, they normally do morning testing with water dummies until the ride is warmed up before running ut empty, then its fine and just get faster as the day goes on and the warmer it gets. No real difference to the process they also do with the smiler, they do morning testing with water dummies until it’s warmed up.
mack's are also quite expensive like B&M and i doubt that they would cheap out that way on the track but macks are known to develop rattles do you have a video on roughness or rattles?
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU INCREASE THE CRUSH ON THE GUIDE WHEELS AGAINST THE SIDE OF THE TRACK TO DECREASE HUNTING. I NOTICED THAT ON THE LAUNCH TRACK OF KINGDA KA, THERES A LOT OF SIDE TO SIDE MOVEMENT AS THE TRAIN INCREASES SPEED. BASED ON FOOTAGE THAT YOU HAVE SEEN OF THAT RIDE, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT TOO MUCH MOVEMENT OR WITHIN A SAFE/ACCEPTABLE LIMIT?
@@haqqrasheed3115 the side to side on that ride I feel is developed by the hunting in the launch sled. This is a function of cable tension. So the train itself is perfectly fine in that respect. It’s just the design of the track. Might be better if the vertical supports were turned into triangle supports with a kicker leg.
Yep, B&M fan girl here. They seem to have the most reliable machines from day one. Just imagine that B&M won the contract. Top Thrill 2 would be running again. Heck, it probably would have never gone down longer than a maintenance check.
@@LTCoasters B&M wouldn’t typically mess around with a different track design for a one-off project. They’d have wanted to replace 100% of the track which would have driven the cost of the project up
@Danrarbc Yep, which is why it would work. My whole point is they wouldn't have put out a ride that had whatever the problem is. They would have gone out of their way to make sure it would work before even sending the track specs to Clermont for fabrication. I am just wondering what everyone's reaction will be when we finally find out what the Zamperla fix is.
@@LTCoasters It doesn’t appear to be a track issue on TT2. Yeah they’re looking at thing here or there but it is the trains getting the full attention.
@Danrarbc very true, but maybe not understanding the track is what caused the issue in the first place. After all it's cheaper to change things on a train than track.
Hey Ryan, This brings up a question from my pro mod drag racing days. Can or Do they use ceramic bearings on the trains? I remember how blown away I was at the reduction to rolling resistance from just doing the front wheels. I'm not sure if the weight of the train or cost may be prohibitive but figured I would ask. #DoItForTheDots
@@misterenigma2013 love the tag! So I’m sure they are available but for the majority of applications they aren’t very economically feasible to run for 188 bearings. Now not to say there aren’t parks using them but it might be on very specific applications
Ah yes, I can imagine. The fronts for the car were like $500 for the pair and those were the tiny Anglia style spindle ones, so bigger bearings on 3 trains I can only imagine the bill. Still I'm curious how they would hold up in a coaster.
Nitro at six flags great adventure wont error or fault if the train goes too fast into the service/safety breaks it will just display a warning message. Which I think every ride should do instead of faulting or erroring.
The distance between the guide wheels is less than the distance between the rails. This also applies to old Vekomas and Arrows. Too bad that their guide wheels run inside the track. 🤣
@@Colaholiker maybe we are talking about 2 different things. I’m talking guide wheel clearance 2mm each side 4mm total. Upstop was about 4mm as well. If they got past about 5mm (1/4in) really couldn’t operate the train.
@@ryantheridemechanic I was just joking about two things - one being the struggle a lot of Americans have with the metric system 😅 and the other is the fact that SLCs always feel like they just roughly follow the track and have a ton of play there. 😵💫 (I recently rode a new Suspended Thrill Coaster made by Vekoma and that's a huge difference! Both in how well they run and in the restraints, which are Basically top hinged lap cushions)
@@ryantheridemechanic I know Iron Gwazi at my home park has class 5 restraints, I feel like Mako at my other home park would have class 5 restraints too.
A quick way to tell if it's considered class 5 is if ops has to close the restraint like in an RMC hybrid. Any other class you can pull your own down. However, a good example of a class 5 that probably could be a lower class is Millennium Force. Its air time is all floater. Even with a belt that could have been tighter and a gentle kiss of the lap bar, and last row (please don't ride it like this). I ended really only giving the belt a workout. Unlike nearby Steel Vengeance, where you literally hang upside down on the lap restraint.
@@LTCoasters in ours, ops had to close the restraint to observe the seat belt we installed. Some are that way due to the logic timing in the restrains monitored position as well. (If they lock the car and the restraint is down the plc can’t see it cycle so it won’t register closed)
@ryantheridemechanic makes sense for that ride as it did not originally have belts. It still stands in my experience that the air time limiter (seatbelt) gets the work out as I hardly ever raise high enough to hit the lap bar while large sections of track I'm hovering out of the seat.
Fāntasēlend; Talcum- possible pronunciation . I want to ride Fly there one day. My Grandfather was German. So it would be nice to make a trek to Germany 🇩🇪 one day!
😂 not really close.... It is rather like: Phan - tah - see - ah - land and the ride is Tah - lo - can. Ryan, you should definitely go there if you come to Europe. FLY is absolutely mindblowing and Taron their Intamin multilaunch coaster is one of the best coasters in Germany too. Will be going there next week again with my teenagers for the start of the summer holidays.
With reports of recent B&M coasters being rougher than the older ones is it possible the new ones have larger variances in track gauge than in the past?
@@ryantheridemechanic There’s the rub there’s only been a few like data points. Nemesis at Alton Towers had nearly 100% of its track remanufactured and replaced - the new track is significantly rougher than the old. But the last NEW invert was Monster - which had a rattle from day one but nothing like Nemsis’ new track. The last hyper build was Candymonium and it’s fine. The last giga was Orion and it’s also fine. The newest wing coaster seems to have more of a rattle than the older ones, which is odd because it’s a family coaster. There also seems to be a rattle to the narrower dive coaster model which has a smaller track gauge than the original larger models and pretty much all of those have more rattle than the big ones. It’s entirely possible that there are multiple root causes. For the new wings the train and track design should be the same as the old ones, perhaps there was just a bad install job rather than a slip in manufacturing quality. Hard to know without seeing some data. For the narrower dives it could be train design in concert with track gauge that just creates a really ripe environment for hunting - IMO that’s the type of thing old B&M would have avoided or fixed quickly after the prototype is built so there might be something to the idea they’ve lost a step there. Sea World has opened two prototypes in 3 years with B&M and the new surf standup is fine, but the family sit down prototype has a pretty shocking rattle in it - I’m going to assume for that one the train alone would be responsible. I guess what I’m saying is rattle for a B&M used to be the exception to the rule, but it’s gotten to be the inverse in the last handful of years with only a few that have that typical old school smoothness they were known for.
@@Danrarbc hmmmm. I wonder who’s making their rails. Rail fabrication used to be the closest guarded secret in the industry. Now they just come out of a CNC bender. Maybe their tolerance has slid as well. Or maybe the tighter tolerance is an upgrade during purchasing?
@@Danrarbc so I heard may years ago that they would fabricate the supports and backbones, but the running rails used to be shipped in a container from Switzerland or somewhere around there. I think theses days the entire process is done and Clairmont Steel but can’t back that up
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Man, you're killing it with these intros 😂
Keep up the good work Ryan
@@alexbaker7722 thank you! I was hoping the intro would be received well!
@@ryantheridemechanic It sure did :)
@@ryantheridemechanic Text wise it was funny. The video part was kind of creepy tho.
@@Colaholiker haha! Hit the uncanny valley
The intro is perfection 😂
@@srellessemaj thank you!
Perhaps my favorite intro yet 😜 Thanks Ryan. PS: praying for a dedicated Top Spin “how it works” video someday - always fascinated by them!
@@dihedraldesign7978 will do!
If you do a dedicated top spin video, id love to know. I managed to get the rarest variat. The giant top spin in all 3 forms.
The 2008 cycle on the GTS is the scariest experience I've ever had on a ride. For a good reason.
@@pizzafroth1521 interesting!
@@ryantheridemechanic th-cam.com/video/IHHtrawILYU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fr9Sy0mfr_JTQXn2
Theres the only video in existence of that 9 inversion cycle. Its kind of scary listening to the roar of the ride. Im pretty dang sure that if you were to put a bus at the bottom when the ride was doing its downward swing at full speed, the bus would be decimated without a dent to the ride. It was just too much, from a mechanical point of view even to a riders point of a view. You couldn't pay me a million dollars to ever ride it again in 08.
Shoutout to Clermont Steel!
"Fan-tar-see-ah-land" and "Tal-oh-can" for a vague pronunciation. Fantastic park, really recommend a visit if you ever get over there.
@@m00gal so may places I want to get to one day. Looks like an amazing place. Thanks for the name help!
@@ryantheridemechanic I guess how amazing it is depends on perspective. Sure, it may be a small but elite theme park. But those of us who grew up there and know the park what it was like until about 20 years ago, will disagree (including myself). It is totally lacking the soul it had back in the day when it was still run by the founders... Not saying it is a bad park - it's just not Phantasialand anymore.
@@ryantheridemechanic This is my favorite park next to Efteling. Theming and food are over the top. Make sure to stay in one of the 3 hotels for the full experience.
@@danny.ray101 cool! okay
We need a video about Huss Top Spin working and curiosities.
Such a classic!
@@Hugo.Spain. I’m making it right now. Keep you eyes open in a couple of weeks.
That tight tolerance explains why B&M can retain such smooth rides for so long. It makes a difference long term too because it's less banging around that progressively makes it worse overtime otherwise.
except their latest inverts. for whatever reason their newer inverts have been known to develop a rattle just months after operating.
@@DahBananaCannon the trains are very heavy on the modern inverts, more weight further from the track will lead to more rattling. I also wonder if modern B&Ms have less crush than older ones to make up for the polyurethane wheels having more friction than the nylon wheels they used to use.
I look forward to your each week. Keep up the awesome work 😄
@@burntjuggalas thank you
You are right about the rain in the UK, we have about 2 hot days then back to the wet weather. We have only been on Hyperia once thus far, its an amazing element when it does slow right down. Thankfully it seems it back up and working reliably again.
@@richywiggins3845 that’s great! Must be harder to keep that stuff lubricated.
Loved the intro! I'm enjoying the info and your video style :)
@@josephploettner7327 thanks. I can’t make them all funny but sometimes I have some good inspiration to do these.
Love your input Ryan. Please take a trip to cedar point and fix top thrill 2. I know if there's anybody that can do it at you. I bought a season pass just to ride that coaster as advertised and haven't been able to ride it yet. Class action lawsuit anybody?
@@JUSTINTHEGREDMAN if they need input on the situation I’d be glad to offer. But I’m sure they have a lot of engineers working on it coming up with the best solution.
I'm riding Hyperia on Wednesday, and it will be my second attempt. I'm praying I will ride
@9:42 Toothpaste, whipped cream and balls. Who thought engineering could be so much fun.
@@jjhatch69 sounds like an only fans page
@@ryantheridemechanicyou have good humor 😂
lol I was at Hershey this weekend and was inline for skyrush and it just started pouring rain for like 30 minutes. but I was in the train house and I didn’t get wet. when the rain stopped and they sent around at test train and when it came back into the station it actually overshot the station by a little bit because they use drive tires to move the train in and out of the station, and when it came back it was soaking wet and slid right over there drive tires and they had to get maintenance out to revers the train back to home
Also there boomerang valleyed between the loop and the cobra roll
@@Carter-nl2 that’s why I like pinch brakes.
@@Carter-nl2 ouch that stinks.
At our B&M ride I used to operate, we actually had a thing called rain mode, which drastically reduced the speed that the train came to a stop in the station. We hated it as ops, as it added about 10 seconds to dispatches, but it was added due to this being a more than infrequent issue.
@@ryantheridemechanicwhat makes it worse is they put a tunnel in that spot when they returned to jolly rancher remix
The intro is hilarious! Nice work!
@@porcelainthunder2213 thanks!
I love the intros!!!! I’ll keep watching. Love your videos Ryan!!!!
@@frankcipollone5227 thank you
Closed bearings especially could also be subject to the target region originally specified based on climate and viscosity if there is a large departure variation.
@@MichaelNolhan true. We talked with our local NSK rep
@ryantheridemechanic I wasn't expecting that 6x price for custom greased components. I can only imagine what other cool stuff a park that does have that budget gets to order.
@@MichaelNolhan right. Like plenty of spares. Enough to keep an Intamin ride running smooth.
Haha this intro is amazing. 😂😂
@@matb9027 thanks!
Dude... that intro... absolutely great!
@@Spike-sk7ql thanks!
Awesome intro. Lol. Loved bringing tt2 into it...thanks zamcrapa...excuse me zamperla....my bad. Who knows when we see it back.
I wonder how the new Funtime Tower on the Dusseldorf Fair is going to be. It is going up now. It is a new kind of Observation tower with 4 rotating Gondolas holding 20 guests. 70 meter high tower. Look 360 it is called. Prototypes are often not going so well these days as of late. 😂
Every upload the thumbnails become more and more unhinged lol
@@AmusementLabs haha! Thanks? Haha
@@ryantheridemechanic in a good way lol
That skit was hilarious
@@stephenboshears4832 thank you
You must like Dipping Dots. So subconsciously you bring up Dipping Dots
@@kenkriehn5979 I have no problem with dippin dots. Only their cost haha!
Psst, he's sponsored by them. But don't tell anyone.
Love any video that talks about wheels and wheel assemblies lol. Thanks!!!
Any thoughts on Canada’s Wonderland likely getting a premiere dual launch? Do those track tolerances from them worry you (should we be worried as Wonderland home park fans lol)?
@@bakerfx4968 I don’t like their tolerance but it works, And it works well. I think you will be in good hands. At the end of the day Premier makes a good product.
Love the Worlds of Fun b-roll! Such an underrated Six-Flags park.
@@craftybaboon still funny to hear that! Haha! I try and use my own video whenever possible.
Still trying to process that.... Cedar Point is my home park and I'm not ready for change😢
@patrickstrahm05 I went the day after and it's still the same park. It will take a while for changes and I doubt many will be felt at that particular park. Except now it's called a "legacy Cedar Fair park," lol.
Lmao great intro!
I wonder if B&M offers a discounted rate with track tolerances. The last 3 or 4 B&Ms have been reported to have a rattle/shake to them. Dr. Diabolical, Iron Menace, Pipeline, and Penguin Trek. The reviews on them all seem to talk about a shake in the ride. Im gonna be riding Iron Menace here in about a month, so currently havent rudden any of them, just going off of review videos.
@@Spike-sk7ql I wonder the same thing. I don’t honestly know the answer. Reducing the death grip on tolerances cans drastically reduce the price.
@Spike-sk7ql I'm going next weekend to Dorney, and Iron Menace is top of my list. I was on Raptor and Rougarou every trip to Cedar Point so far this summer, so I get a little rattled. I usually am not the type to complain about that unless it's Rougarou trying to bash my skull in on its restraints.
@@LTCoasters I have given up riding rouga-NO. CP is my home park, and that is the only thing I will flat out refuse to ride anymore. Every time, I come off with a migraine. Still absolutely love Raptor though.
What about the rubber compound of the wheels? Similarly to an F1 race where they have hard and soft tires... Harder tires moving faster than the softer ones. Just a thought...
@@andrewleonard3623 yes. There are harder and you can go to nylons. But that very long time to do. More focused on what’s achievable.
So sad! A buddy of mine and his wife traveled from Arkansas to the UK and were hoping to ride Hyperia. No luck.
Great intro as always 😂😂
@@CritterCrossingFam whenever I go to a park where something I want to ride is. I always say “if it’s open”
Careful with the videos of Talocan. 👀 The park tries to strike all of the videos of that! Otherwise great video like always! Greetings from Germany
@@passioderso856 good to know. Do you know why that would be?
@@ryantheridemechanicthey’re just very particular about how their image as a park is represented but also subject to a lot of privacy and consent laws in Germany. Phantasialand existing is such a drama for many reason so they have a lot of rules and regulations they must conform too just to be open.
But it’s not just about videos like Talocan being drunk. When FLY came out there was a few videos of people who snuck a camera onto the ride to record the loading procedure (which is super badass) but also on ride POVs. The ride’s policies require ALL loose articles in a locker when you enter the queue and even use metal detector wands to verify everything is in a locker. So those unauthorized videos were quickly taken down and the person (if they could identify them) were banned from the park.
@@stonewallperformance I can understand that. On ride videos are forbidden in a lot of areas because it promotes people taking cameras on the ride. Or past a no martial check point. So I understand. This is why off ride videos are typically not an issue. Thank you.
They only strike videos with onride POVs because you are not allowed to film onride and uploading POVs is a violation of park rules.
They are also very strict with filming in their shows (which is not allowed too).They have security watching the audiences and they immediately approve the people filming and ask them to stop.
@@brittariedel3446 that’s what I thought.
was a thorpe over the past 2 days, got 5 rides in on hyperia and both trains were running fast at exactly the same speed (as far as i could tell) while riding and during testing so it seems like whatever was causing one train to be slower has been resolved
Update: they've installed wheel heaters in the station
best intro's in all of TH-cam
@@wizardadam8413 haha! Thanks.
I’m dead! 😵🤣🤣🤣
You’re funny! 😏🤘
@@Novakiller thank you!
What's your honest opinion about TT2?? We're at a month since the last park statement. No trains have ran any tests in going on 3wks now. The only new activity is CP hired a construction company who were working on the switch track.Could be something,could be nothing. I think there is a much bigger issue at hand other than wheels,the park either doesn't know how to fix it(quickly) or they had to replace the trains as a whole.They have had the seats off the silver train atleast 3 separate times.What say you??
@@garywillis7253 with this much time passing I’m thinking they might be into total vehicle replacement. Can’t be so sure based off of time as things are taking a ridiculous amount of time these days.
@@ryantheridemechanic The lightning trains on paper are a great idea but when I heard they were machined out of a chunk of solid billet which raised concerns. Some parts of the chassis had to be machines thin so other components can fit in the area.I wonder if this could be a issue,stress cracks/fatigue in parts of the chassis..Could be talking out my ass but I'm just thinking what could possibly be going on. Thanks for your input
@@garywillis7253 anything is possible. But the area of focus seems to be the bottom of the train not the top. Just what i see. Who knows what’s happening behind closed doors.
Remember the old saying, LUBRICATION LUBRICATION LUBRICATION 🤣. Grease it up and slip it in, I mean slip it on and make it go. Me bad 😉😁
came for the intro stayed for the information
@@TV.15 great!
@@ryantheridemechanic really, really, really, amazing intro, keep up the great work!
@@TV.15 thank you
Nice
considering that top spins already have a hinge im suprised that huss never made a waikiki wave derivative
@@stanky1508 I didn’t look, who made the one that’s out there? Zamperla?
@@ryantheridemechanicthe one in the vid is a huss, huss only ever made the solid axel (i think thats the best way to describe it) top spins. kmg, mondial, vekoma (rip wipeout), zamperla and i think moser all made/make top spin models where the arms can move independently.
honestly would love to see a vid on top spins at some point.
@@stanky1508 I’ll make one. Everyone is asking for it.
Hyperia has been running quite well lately. I was at Thorpe park the other day its a great ride. Ryan do mechanics ever get free dippin dots?
@@3dprinterguy393 nope
The bit I am confused about, is the issue with Hyperia speed is only in the morning when its cold and empty trains, they normally do morning testing with water dummies until the ride is warmed up before running ut empty, then its fine and just get faster as the day goes on and the warmer it gets. No real difference to the process they also do with the smiler, they do morning testing with water dummies until it’s warmed up.
@@garethharvey8671 I would think the goal is not load dummies at alll. Speeds up the start up time n
mack's are also quite expensive like B&M and i doubt that they would cheap out that way on the track but macks are known to develop rattles do you have a video on roughness or rattles?
@@antonytsai6611 it’s an old one, and short. But yes I do
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU INCREASE THE CRUSH ON THE GUIDE WHEELS AGAINST THE SIDE OF THE TRACK TO DECREASE HUNTING. I NOTICED THAT ON THE LAUNCH TRACK OF KINGDA KA, THERES A LOT OF SIDE TO SIDE MOVEMENT AS THE TRAIN INCREASES SPEED. BASED ON FOOTAGE THAT YOU HAVE SEEN OF THAT RIDE, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT TOO MUCH MOVEMENT OR WITHIN A SAFE/ACCEPTABLE LIMIT?
@@haqqrasheed3115 the side to side on that ride I feel is developed by the hunting in the launch sled. This is a function of cable tension. So the train itself is perfectly fine in that respect. It’s just the design of the track. Might be better if the vertical supports were turned into triangle supports with a kicker leg.
Yep, B&M fan girl here. They seem to have the most reliable machines from day one. Just imagine that B&M won the contract. Top Thrill 2 would be running again. Heck, it probably would have never gone down longer than a maintenance check.
@@LTCoasters B&M wouldn’t typically mess around with a different track design for a one-off project. They’d have wanted to replace 100% of the track which would have driven the cost of the project up
@Danrarbc Yep, which is why it would work. My whole point is they wouldn't have put out a ride that had whatever the problem is. They would have gone out of their way to make sure it would work before even sending the track specs to Clermont for fabrication.
I am just wondering what everyone's reaction will be when we finally find out what the Zamperla fix is.
@@LTCoasters It doesn’t appear to be a track issue on TT2. Yeah they’re looking at thing here or there but it is the trains getting the full attention.
B&M's bid for TT2 was to completely replace the coaster, e.g. with a hyper. Yes it would be reliable...
@Danrarbc very true, but maybe not understanding the track is what caused the issue in the first place. After all it's cheaper to change things on a train than track.
Hey Ryan, This brings up a question from my pro mod drag racing days. Can or Do they use ceramic bearings on the trains? I remember how blown away I was at the reduction to rolling resistance from just doing the front wheels. I'm not sure if the weight of the train or cost may be prohibitive but figured I would ask. #DoItForTheDots
@@misterenigma2013 love the tag! So I’m sure they are available but for the majority of applications they aren’t very economically feasible to run for 188 bearings. Now not to say there aren’t parks using them but it might be on very specific applications
Ah yes, I can imagine. The fronts for the car were like $500 for the pair and those were the tiny Anglia style spindle ones, so bigger bearings on 3 trains I can only imagine the bill. Still I'm curious how they would hold up in a coaster.
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@@modgetall that’s what I said
Nitro at six flags great adventure wont error or fault if the train goes too fast into the service/safety breaks it will just display a warning message. Which I think every ride should do instead of faulting or erroring.
@@stolenarmy_ I like warnings over faults but the amount of things that deserve a warning is very small.
The distance between the guide wheels is less than the distance between the rails.
This also applies to old Vekomas and Arrows.
Too bad that their guide wheels run inside the track. 🤣
@@Colaholiker yea the SLC required 2mm air gap
@@ryantheridemechanic Another American who doesn't handle metric well. It's actually 2 centimeters... 😆
@@Colaholiker maybe we are talking about 2 different things. I’m talking guide wheel clearance 2mm each side 4mm total. Upstop was about 4mm as well. If they got past about 5mm (1/4in) really couldn’t operate the train.
@@ryantheridemechanic I was just joking about two things - one being the struggle a lot of Americans have with the metric system 😅 and the other is the fact that SLCs always feel like they just roughly follow the track and have a ton of play there. 😵💫
(I recently rode a new Suspended Thrill Coaster made by Vekoma and that's a huge difference! Both in how well they run and in the restraints, which are Basically top hinged lap cushions)
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do B&M hypers have class 3 restraints!?!?!?!? i thought they were class 5 for a major coaster
@@owen24165 you can have very large coasters with lower restraints. Not sure on the actual rating of their restraints.
@@ryantheridemechanic I know Iron Gwazi at my home park has class 5 restraints, I feel like Mako at my other home park would have class 5 restraints too.
A quick way to tell if it's considered class 5 is if ops has to close the restraint like in an RMC hybrid. Any other class you can pull your own down. However, a good example of a class 5 that probably could be a lower class is Millennium Force. Its air time is all floater. Even with a belt that could have been tighter and a gentle kiss of the lap bar, and last row (please don't ride it like this). I ended really only giving the belt a workout. Unlike nearby Steel Vengeance, where you literally hang upside down on the lap restraint.
@@LTCoasters in ours, ops had to close the restraint to observe the seat belt we installed. Some are that way due to the logic timing in the restrains monitored position as well. (If they lock the car and the restraint is down the plc can’t see it cycle so it won’t register closed)
@ryantheridemechanic makes sense for that ride as it did not originally have belts. It still stands in my experience that the air time limiter (seatbelt) gets the work out as I hardly ever raise high enough to hit the lap bar while large sections of track I'm hovering out of the seat.
Fāntasēlend; Talcum- possible pronunciation . I want to ride Fly there one day. My Grandfather was German. So it would be nice to make a trek to Germany 🇩🇪 one day!
@@christiwright3604 Fly looks amazing!
😂 not really close....
It is rather like: Phan - tah - see - ah - land
and the ride is Tah - lo - can.
Ryan, you should definitely go there if you come to Europe.
FLY is absolutely mindblowing and Taron their Intamin multilaunch coaster is one of the best coasters in Germany too. Will be going there next week again with my teenagers for the start of the summer holidays.
@@brittariedel3446 that’s why I said possible.
@@brittariedel3446 thanks for the correction.
With reports of recent B&M coasters being rougher than the older ones is it possible the new ones have larger variances in track gauge than in the past?
@@Danrarbc could be. But are coaster being compared evenly? Same track layout with urethane wheels?
@@ryantheridemechanic There’s the rub there’s only been a few like data points.
Nemesis at Alton Towers had nearly 100% of its track remanufactured and replaced - the new track is significantly rougher than the old.
But the last NEW invert was Monster - which had a rattle from day one but nothing like Nemsis’ new track.
The last hyper build was Candymonium and it’s fine.
The last giga was Orion and it’s also fine.
The newest wing coaster seems to have more of a rattle than the older ones, which is odd because it’s a family coaster.
There also seems to be a rattle to the narrower dive coaster model which has a smaller track gauge than the original larger models and pretty much all of those have more rattle than the big ones.
It’s entirely possible that there are multiple root causes. For the new wings the train and track design should be the same as the old ones, perhaps there was just a bad install job rather than a slip in manufacturing quality. Hard to know without seeing some data. For the narrower dives it could be train design in concert with track gauge that just creates a really ripe environment for hunting - IMO that’s the type of thing old B&M would have avoided or fixed quickly after the prototype is built so there might be something to the idea they’ve lost a step there.
Sea World has opened two prototypes in 3 years with B&M and the new surf standup is fine, but the family sit down prototype has a pretty shocking rattle in it - I’m going to assume for that one the train alone would be responsible.
I guess what I’m saying is rattle for a B&M used to be the exception to the rule, but it’s gotten to be the inverse in the last handful of years with only a few that have that typical old school smoothness they were known for.
@@Danrarbc hmmmm. I wonder who’s making their rails. Rail fabrication used to be the closest guarded secret in the industry. Now they just come out of a CNC bender. Maybe their tolerance has slid as well. Or maybe the tighter tolerance is an upgrade during purchasing?
@@ryantheridemechanic I believe B&M only works with Clermont Steel Fabricators.
@@Danrarbc so I heard may years ago that they would fabricate the supports and backbones, but the running rails used to be shipped in a container from Switzerland or somewhere around there. I think theses days the entire process is done and Clairmont Steel but can’t back that up
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@@ryantheridemechanic thank you!
What do you think is wrong with Steel Curtain?
@@goonch7956 honestly no clue there. Sounds like the structure is having trouble but no real signs of repair. So can’t really speculate at all