Clint McCance, Anti-Gay Rant & Apology Eviscerated by David Pakman, with Video
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- Clint McCance went on an anti-gay tirade on his Facebook page, indicating he likes it when gay people die of AIDS, that he would run his kids off if they were gay, and much more.
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I strongly feel that David Pakman is the ONLY editorial on this issue that actually got to the root of the real issue. That being, this was NOT an apology for the offenses committed, it was merely a dodge and duck. I am frustrated with the manner in which anderson cooper left out so many important follow-ups. I think it was mis-handled by cooper and I am left wondering why, very curious.
Over the top??? He still thinks the same way. This is what our current politics considers acceptable. He is in fear of his next job and being critiqued by his community.
I am a Korean-American immigrant who have grown up in this country and I had this bizarre experience in high school. The teacher asked my class about any immigrants that they knew and one girl said that the only person she knew who was an immigrant was her maid. I then said, "You know I'm an immigrant, right? " She replied, "Oh you know that you don't count as one of those people..." I was in disbelief over her ignorance.
Great job, David. I was bullied in elementary school by THE PRINCIPAL who seemed to pick up on the fact that I was gay before I had words for it. He was a monster so to have an overseer of an entire school board in Arkansas like that - and worse - is/was terrible!
It's important to remember that this was an interview of a man who is only known for his hate filled rant against homosexuals on Facebook and was conducted by a respected journalist who happens to be gay. I found Mr. Cooper's respectful interview style to be completely appropriate and demonstrates why he (Mr. Cooper) is an effective, though reluctant, ambassador for gay rights.
I have stopped watching CNN exactly for the reasons you pointed out. CNN, though the SAY they are a balanced news outlet, they take "balance" to mean 'we aren't going to make people uncomfortable, we aren't going to push the envelope in the direction of what is right, and we aren't going to confront idiots like this'.
He never once apologizes for his message, he simply apologizes repeatedly for his delivery of it. Hence, he feels no more need to apologize for his ignorance than he sees a reason to be embarrassed by it. Indeed, he is not apologizing for punching homosexuals in the face with his comments, but for his failure to throw a much better punch.
Spot on. That is what I love about AC. He asks the right questions and has a good feeling for when to just let the guest talk and dig his own grave.
I agree with you on your opinion about Mr. McCance interview but I feel Anderson did a great job by asking him questions that would give McCance enough rope to hang himself with. I don't feel that it's an interviewers job to get into a debate but to show the people watching who is this person really about and does he really believe what he is saying.. IMO I agree with you McCance was only sorry that he got caught and not by what he said... and I believe Anderson got McCance to show the world that same thing.
I am a gay person and what this man said was horrible. But what do you expect from an ignorant southerner? The correct way to del with people like that is to feel sorry for them. Because they make our world a terrible scary place.
The frightening thing is that he is not aware that one of his sons could actually be gay! For either of the children’s sake we can only hope that neither of them has been born gay, especially in that household! It is obvious that nothing really seems to have changed with Clint McCance! He is only sorry that he was caught, he is sorry that he used the wrong words, not his actual beliefs!
This guy should not resign - He should be sacked !!!
Mr. McCance never apologized for anything that he said. He is just back peddling. He is only sorry because he was called to the carpet for the horrible things that he posted on Facebook. He should never be near any children for any reason. He is so filled with hate that it has blinded him.
Im 52 years old Im gay I got married, I tryed to be strait, Ilove god , study the bible , but if born gay, you can't can't change the way you feel.this has caused me extreame dificulties, I admirer peple that are honest and admit that they are gay, this is the best thing that they can do for there own mental health be honest and be yourself.
Dave, once again, you have shown stellar support for lgbt persons. You are the most fabulous straight man alive!
How can people say being gay is "a choice"? When did you choose whether to be straight, gay, bi, trans, ace...? Oh right, you didn't, did you? Realistically, nobody would choose to be homosexual with the world being the way it is. Nobody would choose to be bullied, taunted, discriminated... You're born the way you are and that's that.
Most homophobes do not believe that gay teens should be bullied into suicide, but that they should change their 'sinning unchristian and abnormal ways" He may well have sincerely changed his position towards the mainstream of anti-gay movement and away from the extreme vicious rhetoric.
It's a horrible shame those kids that ended their lives aren't here today to see how much things have changed for the better for LGBT people in the last 3 years. Assholes will always exist, but they have lost and they know it. Love always wins.
When I originally heard he was going on AC360 for an actual interview, I expected him to apologize profusely and claim something like, "I was drinking the night I posted those hateful comments and, with some stresses in my personal life, I took my frustrations out on a group of people who have nothing to do with my problems.", or similar.
But, nope. Not drunk-posting... Sad. He should have just given a short, written statement of apology, including his intention to resign.
Hey David,I have had my differences with you but I have watched a lot of your vid's recently. I'm a gay 48 year old man. After watching a lot of your opinions I Believe that You are the ONE that will bring Peace. I feel how passionate you are and I respect you with all of my Heart. Thank You sooo Much for being MY voice. You need to have your own show on TV. I am going to make that happen for you. That now,in my life ,is my goal!
Thanks for being Passionate,
Artie Kramer
Clint is a great example of the saying: "You can't cure stupid"
Mr. Pakman, This dude from "Arkansas" obviously still believes what he said. He is just apologizing about getting caught. I am a gay 63 yr.old male who still doesn't feel comfortable identifying himself as gay. I do not look or act effeminate as some of my gay brethren do. For that reason I have heard a lot of negative comments about gays in conversations around me in social situations and I get tired of always being the one who calls them out for their ignorance. I live in the deep South; the Bible belt South where no one wants to hear about positive comments from the Bible; just those that maim and mutilate or kill those that are different. Voila Clint McCance and so many more you just can't imagine.
Gary Brocato dear brother. I am a transgender sister and I am very fortunate to be Canadian. I hope that things have changed for you and that you are able to just be yourself now. It breaks my heart that there are people living in North America who are still having it so incredibly hard. That isn’t right. Sending loads of love. ❤️❤️❤️
He definitely pissed him off. I actually appreciate how Anderson manages to stay neutral and just lets the guests talk and doesn't interrup and shout them down but by now I have noticed that he starts to blink his eyes rapidly when he gets angry. It must be quite upsetting for him to talk to homophobes who think he is scum and would probably like to see him miserable or dead and still not become emotional.
I have a lot of respect for the guy.
Great job, David. I was bullied in elementary school by THE PRINCIPAL who seemed to pick up on the fact that I was gay before I had words for it. He was a monster so to have an overseer of an entire school board in Arkansas like that - and worse - is/was terrible! @KennChaplin
It gets worse...if the kid is middle class and from a specialized family as far as work is concerned and they are teaching and passing the specialty to the child...and the child commits suicide....then we have lost from 50 to several hundreds to several generations of specialty work...you don't even have a clue the cost to society and to humanity.
How does the vice president of a school board use such poor grammar? "I had went back"?! He should have been fired just for that.
You are exactly correct. The only thing he is apologetic for is his language, his WORDS.
I hate our apology-filled society. Nobody, perhaps with the exception of Kathy Griffin, ever mean what they say.
Thank you for standing up for are community. I have so much respect for you as a person and for the balls you have. For standing up for what you believe in.
I think you are right about the non-apology and about the lack of follow-up. I would would like to remind you that in addition to the anti-gay issues, he also has issues with suicide and parenting. He is a complete mess. I'm not sure how I feel about this interview. I think the last part with the photos of the child were very uncomfortable and almost opportunistic by the network.
FYI-The term "commit suicide" is no longer being used in suicide intervention as it denotes the judgement of religious sin, or criminal behaviour. Instead, the terms "kill oneself" or using suicide as a verb, (ie/suicided) are preferred. This helps reduce judgment, open the conversation and invite people with thoughts of suicide to reach out for help.
WORST ... APOLOGY ... EVER!
Sudden regret?? Yeah, COME ON. Sudden regret that he would lose his job. And his wife or someone, saying "apologize now". In fact, he said "I dont know what would happen in the future if my kids turn out to be gay". In other words, he never said "I would love them anyway. He´s being empty and he´s answering mecanically. You can tell. Unbelievable "apology".
David... this is the first time I've heard of you but in just twelve minutes I can say you put just about any pop-culture journalist to shame. Well done. Unfortunately Anderson Cooper is just an actor pretending to be a journalist so your critique of him isnt going to improve his performance..... ever. I want to live in a world where guys like you are the anchormen. Thanks for your activism and intelligence.
People in glass houses shouldn't get stoned.
So, in conclusion.... A person that is homophobic has had some sort of event in his life that has made him irrationally reject and fear the lifestyle. It has been discussed by the psychiatric community that homophobia is due to repressed homosexual yearnings of the person, and that is extremely scary for them to accept it so they reject and fear it to rationalize themselves out of the homosexual feelings, which can lead to hatred, anger, and fear toward homosexuals.
I can honestly say I have NEVER had a Mel Gibson incident . . . Ever!!! And this guy shouldn't be allowed near children or any other breathing humn beings for that matter. He's not just a homophobe, he's a sociopath.
ALL people deserve equal rights. ALL people deserve to marry and be with the one they love. Is it really ok if another person prevents that?
Christ never labeled homosexuals as the enemy.
You can not choose your sex or your sexuality !!
It was NOT sincere....notice the lack of the words "I am sorry", or "I apologize". Instead we get "I would never support the suicide of children" and "I extend my apology for my poor speech". I was "over the top" when I suggested homosexual youth should all kill themselves?? HUH?? He didn't bring HONOR to what he is about??? His comments were ALL about his preference that gays were dead. THAT is WAY beyond belief that homosexuality is wrong.
his position is not the result of thinking. it's the result of not thinking, ever.
His attitude is like "Yeah, I´m sorry, dont bother me, I dont know what else to say, leave me alone; I dont even know / care HOW to apologize (cause I dont apologize at all)"
No. I was wrong. I listened to this two more times. By the way, I can only hear it. I am totally blind. I’ve said elsewhere on this thread, but I am a transgender woman as well. David, you were absolutely 100% bang on with your analysis of this whole thing. This is why I love you! ❤️❤️❤️
Love your mind, David, How I wish I could catch things as quickly as you, but then I'm not a journalist, but You do deserve awards!!! I agree with what you and your team say about 200% of the time.
David pakman thank you for caring not only about rights that we(gay community) deserve but also for everything you believe in and stand for. i wish i could find a, way to fight for what i believe in like you. My birthday is Friday and eventually i would love to be able to fight for my own rights but until than i thank you for fighting for people like me who just can't yet.
What I found quite messed up is that McCance had this guy sitting right next to him that they didn't show in the video feed that I'm sure was feeding him answers. He was very hesitant on many of his answers until the guy next to him whispered a decent response. Alot of the things he said were not even his words or thoughts which I'm sure would have made him look even less serious about the situation..
I think purple just wasnt his colour, so he got mad.
McCance was sorry he got caught. He meant every single word.
The man who came to talk to him was a man who lost his kid to suicide which was not related to the kid being gay. I think he understood the pain maybe of a parent who could lose a child to suicide. But I wonder if the same words had come to him from a parent who had lost his gay child to suicide would have impacted him in the same way. I feel that he has realized certain things about suicide, and clearly has not changed his position on homosexuality. But would he have even listened to the words of that man if his son had committed suicide because of being gay??? That's what I'm wondering.
Tachouz i agree with you
Mr. David Pakman, I really like what you did with this interview.
It was an empty apology.
As a gay person, I'm going to withhold a knee-jerk judgement of this guy for a while. I want to see what he does with this "realization." I want to see if he does anything to try to make amends. He, obviously, doesn't know how to apologize. I'm thinking that he hasn't gotten to the end of his journey.
I guess we're dealing here with a guy who probably has never met any gay people, who's obviously not that bright, who maybe has never been anywhere except Arkansas and has grown up surrounded by people as ignorant as he is, who reinforce this bigotry. The only hope i saw was where he said that he wanted to participate in suicide prevention going forward (however vague that statement was), so let's hope he does and that his eyes have been opened, however dimly, and he continues to learn.
It's clear to me that the knuckle dragger was playing up for his pals and got caught, and that is the only thing he is sorry about. It's the same as that neo nazi who was threatening to kill people and then got called out about it.
But again, he wasn't there to apologize for thinking homosexuality was wrong. He's entitled to that belief. He was there to admit that it was wrong of him to turn that belief into hate speech. I don't think the guy actually wants all gay kids to commit suicide, maybe I'm wrong, but I know people often say things they don't mean. And btw, I DO think this apology could have been way better, I'm just saying that David Pakman was mad at him for his beliefs themselves, which he IS entitled to
Wow. I had never heard of David Pakman, and now I think I am in love.
Statements like that are as bigoted as a homophobe's statements. Southerners are not any more ignorant than anyone else.
youre asking for quality repentance from someone whose A) genuinely guilty of undermining the lives of children B) just received death threats to his family and C) is under pressure to negotiate his faith and beliefs to say the right thing on the national television. it just aint going to happen. i fully understand how angry that Father guy would be, it was kind of ugly to hear him say i forgive you when it was obviously not true. though i understand i would be that livid.
Gay politic out in the US now correct me if im wrong in any thing i say but any form of segregation is wrong and should be illegal. thankyou
Oops. mispelling alert! I typed the word "incided"...meant to type "incident"
Um...pay attention. He resigned announcing it on Anderson Cooper's show. And this was 2 1/2 years ago.
Well done David. This guy's sorry he got in trouble and subjected his family to ridicule. He apologized for "those words" as though if he hadn't said "queer" and "fag" his post would have been okay. It's appalling that someone this stupid could be elected to the school board. I do agree that Cooper should have followed up more on this.
Nothing. CNN does not pay for interviews. I know of no news channel that does.
basically this guy says that he wishes he would have used different words that wouldnt have got him in trouble
Hi David! You have made an amazing and outstanding analysis of Mr. McCannce's apologies. With your comments you nailed on every single sentence that Mr. McCannce's said and he never apologized for hurting people and families that have suffer with this kind of statements. He said that he "used some really strong language that wasn't correct", but what he means is correct - wrong words for meaning the same thing that he feels in his heart and wanted to expressed. It seems that he'll never change his mind about he likes when gay people get aids and die.
Last I knew. God is the judge of a man's heart. I don't think any of us, whether we agree with homosexuality or not, have the right to judge or pass judgement. Love your neighbor as yourself comes to mind. You can tell someone what your beliefs are without insulting them, or making them feel small. I don't care who you are, I am not your judge, or your executioner. All Christians are not idiots!
i do not believe he is sorry in anyway.
i agree with david...mccance was only sorry he got caught.
i talked with his father; he says neither he or his son changed their minds. he just doesn't like the fact he got caught & was forced to resigned from his elected position. had he not been caught...he would have continued with his ignorance, intolerance, bigotry & hate.
the old man wanted to quote from the bible, how indeed it gives him license to hate gays. finally he went on to call me a bigot for hating those who are bigots!
Pakman is pretty damn insightful. Some of his topics are so cutting it's like a blade.
Hey David you said EVERYTHING I was thinking. This insane need to give the appearance of "balance" in spite of actually being a balanced human being.
But we all know Anderson probably thought this guy was a moron. I think Anderson's intention was to let the lunatic rant on so that all of us could make our own minds up- which isn't hard to do with Mr. McCance.
The verse also includes commanding the woman to be subordinate to the man and to keep quiet around him. Any reason for that?
when the hell is Anderson going to pluck up the courage to come out of his closet?
@estoytocandolaguitar I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to report his view on people. I happen to agree with him. Also, I wouldn't have known about this guy had it not been for The David Packman Show, so i'm glad he made this.
I love how Anderson is just looking at him like...Is there brain activity going on or what
Classic example of the fallacy of composition. The CDC also says that the highest rates of new HIV infections are amongst heterosexual women. And since the government has never been wrong before, it must be true. If you're so worried about disease spreading your way, here's a tip: practice monogamy and don't share needles. The HIGH RISK statement is obviously a misquote, missing a few important (read: crucial) variables, conveniently left out to make it appear to support a particular agenda.
Poor speech, but no apology for his poor beliefs? This guy is just pandering. He's mad because he got called out (and rightly so).
we are all sinners and guilty of punishment.
@ZrazorRozenstrauch Critical thinking isn't just being hostile to traditional morality and those who espouse it, as you seem to think. Critical thinking is looking objectively at certain behaviors such as homosexuality and recognizing they are harmful to society.Critical thinking isn't dredging up the first curse word you can think of, and slinging it at someone who doesn't agree with you.
@sensibleadult Well, a lot of people have looked critically at homosexuality and concluded that it's harmful, but a lot of people have looked at it critically and concluded it's not. Where's the impasse?
Thank you, that’s sweet of you to say.
Take care
FYI I know this was bloody ages ago but i still have to comment. I'm genuinely surprised that he even bothered to apologise. I mean there's no coming back from that. He went in hard, no chance of playing it off as a joke or a spur of the moment thing. It's exactly what he thinks and there's no point taking it back now.
I like the gazing picture. You're cute.
I laughed out loud when you said, you didn't know anyone even *could* bring honor to such a perspective. Good one.
His apology is damage control so his community will re-elect him. That's his audience. Obviously, from his "We all make remarks like that," he does not think the *sentiment* of his remarks was so wrong... just that it was a little over the top, unnecessarily harsh and hurtful. And maybe the people of his community see it the same way.
When certain individuals use religion and media/status to convey what is in fact merely personal opinions they indirectly become representatives of their religion. So if McCance is a Christian, some might be lead to believe that ignorance and intolerance toward homosexuals are justified by this religion. It is because of people like McCance that some homosexuals associate religion with prejudice.
wow...what a horrible thing to say!
"Mr Yurock" right the book on how we all should live, and we'll all make the correct adjustments....What is the norm? Look around you!
actually irrational fear. hatred is a biproduct of the fear. a phobia is an irrational fear. not an irrational hatred.
I saw the original interview way back when. It sounded to me that he was back pedaling because he got caught and is facing shame and public outcry. No genuine apology ... he's a joke and a terrible person... I'm a gay christian, and I see someone who's afraid of the media not genuinely apilogetic.
What Immorality in first place? You have a valid point. Both sides should "watch for their language and actions" but once again this is not a choice. Do you think
You can tell he wasn't sorry by the way he was stuttering and looking around not knowing what to say or how to apologize. Even though they were just words you can just tell how someone means it just by the way people word and say things.
David Pak. He doesn't need to apologize for his ideas and his views. He only needs to apologize for using Words that are not acceptable to viewers of public television. Many people not just Christians wish that our society will be Gay free. You can't made people apologize for that belief. Unless they start calling to kill gay people, that's a different story.
Can somebody please explain to me what is a homophobe? Is it any person that doesn't agree with a homosexual lifestyle?
He supports Phil Robertson according to his facebook page. Thanks for posting it Blake B.
Am I the only one around here who thinks that butt sex is gross... regardless of the genders involved?
It doesn’t matter how he would’ve apologized he’d still be full of shit
@zerosum This As a straight person, did you make a decision to be turned on by females, or did you just get turned on when you saw women you thought were a turn on? I doubt it! Why can't you see that it is the same with people who are turned on by members of the same sex? They are playing out the hand that they were dealt, and they don't deserve to be hated for it!
To think his wife must not only agrees she thinks he is HOT ! OMG
This guy is a Schoolboard VP and he didn't say "themselves" as Dave reads it here. I saw it on CNN and he actually wrote "thereselves". No joke. Leave the homophobia aside, this guy should've been fired for his grammar fail alone. No wonder our schools suck, our administrators are deedeedees.
I just really wonder why in the world Anderson didn't say more then he did in this interview! I surely would have let this narrow minded ignorant man have a piece of my mind!
He did not change his position at all. My position wasn't that extreme but even my past anti LGBT position took time to change. The fact that I more and more affirm the theologian named James H. Cone I am now seeing that I was wrong. There were reasons why I was against it and it had nothing to do with the Bible, even though I'm Christian.