I BOUGHT A Legit FIRETRUCK From The Fire Department
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- When the stimulus check hits... okay I'm kidding, but I'm not kidding about buying a firetruck! I bought a 1977 Mack CF-600 from the Arcadia, KS fire department for $3,000. They posted it for sale on FB and I said I'd bring cash, no questions asked, and be there Monday morning to get it. Now they've got their new Grumman fire engine and I've got this beautiful old truck. We're driving it back home and then I have literally no idea what I'm going to do with it.
For every 100,000 likes this video gets I'll send another $1,000 to the Arcadia Fire Department.
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If this video get's 500k likes ya'll will have paid for the City of Arcadia's new truck. Make it so! 💯
This is a great way to help our countries fire departments
You do such great content and now for a cause
What is the Formula for 'VIEWS' & 'Likes' ? do 'likes' count for more Views?
Here is a hint. Find a smaller volunteer fire hall to donate it to and take the tax write off. Bet there are a few race tracks that may be interested in it too.
500k likes is only 5k right? So it would be ~550,000,000 likes to pay for their new engine.
I am one of the local firefighters in Arcadia Kansas. You got me Crying. So glad that you got her she’s an amazing truck everybody share this we can definitely use that money in our department God bless you
That's cool! Hope you guys gave the old girl a good sendoff! I bet it's got history with a lot of people.
TY all for your service
Thank you for your service you guys are true heroes
I post this info on fire department coffee
Thank y’all. We definitely have memories in BIG RED. That’s her name. She has helps save many people and building. So glad he got the old gal.
Handy for putting out Hoovie's latest purchase.
🤣😅😆😁👍
who cares about hoovie
Ouch.😃
Haaaaaaaaa!
🤣😂😅😆👍
*3 years from now* "NASA sold me a rusty space ship"
I'll call em, see what's laying around 🤔
But will it be the cheapest space ship in the USA?
Wait that's the other guy
If they ever sell the Needle Nose Peterbilts, JR should snap it up!
That's probably where the future of TH-cam will be going... to space.
No, I think SPACEX did!
$3000 is cheap for a Mack truck in nice shape no matter what vintage it is.
Crazy expensive new. Ambulances too . . . like the Prevost of RV buses.
$3000 is a steal . . .
@Martin its a firetruck, so no doubt it was maintained.
@@leonarddaneman810 A fire engine that old has very little use. Few and far a department would purchase something like that and actually pump with it.
Its a parade or a "toy" piece. $3000 is basically scrap value for it.
Still a fun piece for somebody collection though if they have the space.
@@mph5896 True . . . but, strip off the fire engine gear and some welding and you got a flatbed car carrier, or what-not. He can use the lights and siren for his 'disco' light show.
The economics of some of these purchases confuse me..
I used to think Hoovie made the craziest vehicle purchases on TH-cam, but not anymore. This is great!
"Welcome back to hoovies garage where this time I buy a military tank"
The balcony needs a fire pole now
This.
“Fire Pole”
actually 99.9% of stations no longer have a pole. OSHA made us get rid of them...to many guys fell through the hole or off the pole while sliding down them and even hurting themselves when they go to the bottom of the pole, lots of ankle injuries
@@davidvincent1093 What are you the FUN Police lol
@@user-km4xm4br8l LOL
Talking about the Fire Engine having the feel of going 100mph when you're only going 55mph and a truck over passes you going like 90 @ 7:18.
I was going to say the same thing
yeah i noticed lol
Sell it to a smaller department that needs it.
But first, fix the bugs then replace the emergency lights with LED beacons.
Naw keep it besides with today's rules and newer rigs they cost less to use
Keep it original. LED is totally overrated..
Alot of larger department use them as blocking vehicle. If someone hits the truck it's better to loose a $3,000 rig than the half million dollar one.
@@eldonerc2524 we used school buses dump trucks and old road graders to block highway crosovvers during superstormj. SANDY
No keep the Halogen Rotator Beacons, LED is overrated
This thing is mint!
It really is, I wasn't expecting it to be this perfect. 💯
Press the A & B button at the same time to start it. Two of our older fire engines have the same setup with dual solenoids
Its 12 midnight, and I am so close to waking up my 2 year old son to see this. He will be pumped in the morning. Its like santa came and brought great firetruck content.
Gotta start them early!👍😁
I’m truly glad that you love your fire engine so much. I can’t get my head around that a fire department is allowed to sell what looks like a very complete truck to an average person.
I know right!
Your telling me. I just bought one too. The red lights don't even need to be changed because any emergency vehicle can use them (in an emergency), this includes tow trucks. At least I Wisconsin. I still plan on installing amber lights on mine, but I'm leaving all the red lights.
If I'm understanding, that truck was in active use - that's why it's so nice.
Firefighters are fanatical about taking care of their apparatus.
Yes it was in service and it is in great shape!
Was in service up until about 10 days ago when we put our new Engine 1 in service. Sat for a few days, then we listed it, and JR was the lucky purchaser!
7:20 Holy Sh$t somebody blew past you doing 120mph!
My dad used to be a firefighter retired now, so I got to ride in some growing up and I loved it. He used to bring me along for work when there were races going on, as firefighters had to be present, and I have vivid memories of sitting in a huge offroad Unimog fire truck on top of some large hills next to the track so we could see the whole circuit, watching racing with my dad and another firefighter.
We've also bought 3 retired firetrucks at work, smaller ones, but 1 60's International, 1 70's International, and an 80's Dodge Ram, all built to be pickup trucks again, but with higher carrying capacity than normal, one even has a small crane in front of the bed, and 2 of them got a tip function for the bed.
In Norway firetrucks are registered differently from normal trucks and cars, so we got the increased load capacity, and even if I can only drive a normal car up to 3500kg, I can drive that sort of vehicle up to 7500kg, but over 7500kg they have to be limited to 50kph for me to drive it, without having to get a different license.
One of the firetrucks that are out of service but still kept and maintained by the local fire station was still in service when I was a kid, which is so weird to think about, late 80's early 90's, if a fire broke out, the ladder truck was a Volvo from 1936. (here's a picture I have of it: i.imgur.com/sMxl8hx.jpg )
Everyone else:I bought a cop car!
JR:Hold my beer
Only in Kansas would that be big steep hill!
Thought the same thing, that truck is apparently completely gutless at any speed.
"I feel bad because I didn't give this fire department that's 2.5 hours away enough money, so with enough views I'm going to give them more money" - your folks raised you right, young man. 😁
Nice Firetruck! Last year I bought a 1976 International Loadstar Detroit Diesel Firetruck. It was used by a chemical company and sat outside and rusted, then was donated to a VFD then to another VFD. Both decided it was too far gone for Fire Department use. I’m in the process of fixing it back up.
Congrats on your new power washer! ;)
Now all you need is a police car and an ambulance to complete the set. Maybe a tank!!
Start your own republic!😆👍😁
Needs an Ecto1
Like collecting Matchbox in 1:1
Noone needs an ambulance...
And a hearse, cause you can't save everyone.
Saw the thumbnail and title and said to myself "of course he did"
I told a bunch of friends this weekend and they thought I was joking. I'm never joking 😂
@@WatchJRGo i'm glad you're never joking, it keeps me thoroughly entertained haha and in addition to it being fun, i always learn something new from your videos
Of course he did lol
Also, those old Macks were known for air leaks. If' you are going to use it a lot, I suggest getting an air compressor and hook it up to the air inlet under the driver's door. That way the brakes won't lock up when it is parked.
He mentioned it - 12:05
Saw the Instagram meme, told myself he can't be serious.
He was serious.
I never joke about buying cars 😛
Or trucks 😂
I rush n to my 65 inch tv to view this as i saw the info on ig
You gotta cover the safety lights when on road
@@rsprockets7846 I think that's only during a funeral procession as the hearse for a firefighter (ala _Backdraft_ )
Part of me says firetruck turned ramp truck, part of me says keep it original and make it fully stocked (ladders, hoses etc). What a rad purchase.
Man that was a steal for 3k. Awesome 👌
Yeap if you just happened to need a Used Fire Truck, in mint condition! That is the way to go!!!🤣😅😆👍😁
Looks like a full Federal Signal light set, siren, and Q2B. Vernier throttle I believe I saw there.
Q2B doesn't work unfortunately, Hasn't since we got the truck 20 years ago. As for the lights, They are a mixture of random lights LOL, Beacons we put on when we got it to replace the old old old beacons that were on it, and we put 4 LED lights on the rear, and the two on the front for extra warning.
You could work with local children's charities like Make a Wish whenever a child wants a week of fire engine rides to school.
If I could drive the fire truck with Watch JR Goes I would drink the cold Bartle Skeets and roll up the Wool-o and get all schmoked up.
Lived just up north of Arcadia in Yates Center. People who have never lived in small towns like that don't really understand what these fire departments mean to the communities. Our rural and city FD take EXTREME pride in what they do, keeping their equipment perfect, and have excellent response time.
JR, when you first got that Mack up to speed, you looked just like I did after I bought my CAT powered school bus and took it on the road. It just makes you happy to be in control of that many horses.
You should commemorate any fallen fireman, emt, police in your town and arcadia.
I have 3 of them and I ensure them through Hemmings best price and full coverage for next to nothing. Under the right front is the flapper valve that controls the heater, Spray some WD40 in that end and at the dash control end and then work the valve at the heater by hand and it will free up. 1 of my PIERCES LANCERS had the same problem and we do not need any extra heat here in Tampa. Fixed it right up. OK now open the dash and check the back of the spedo cable. When you spin the gear at the back of the dash the spedo needle should spin or at least move. I will bet you a box of doughnuts that you have a broken spedo cable. You can not fix it you need to replace it. Easy to do disconnect from the trans. you might get a couple of oil drips so watch your eyes and you then go your eyes. now go back to the dash and try to pull up and you should get it. DO NOT start at the trans and pull down first!!! If it is broken in the middle and you pull down you will get the bottom half and usually the top half slides down and then you are stuck with removing the ENTIRE thing case and all!!! You will need to order a new spedo from a dealer OR manufacturing company. My '89 PIERCE cable is 18 feet long and cost $396! OUCH. it is usually broken in the middle because of the twists and turns it goes through. Frankly they never replace them since they do not care about speed and who is going to give a fire truck a speeding ticket? LOL But officer I was going to a fire. if I can help feel free to look me up here or at no1chef99david@aol.com and I would be willing to help out . I have several of these and have had about every problem you can literally. Good Luck and have fun
Nice! Coming from a firefighter myself, my first department had a 79 Mack. That thing was a beast! I loved driving that and pumping from it. I love it! I believe it had a Detroit Diesel series 92 with the Allison transmission. 1st and 2nd were always the roughest. After that, it was smooth sailing. We called it "The War Wagon" or "The Warrior".
While it's possible your truck had detroit diesel, Mack made their own engines. The most common being the 237hp inline 6 cylinder. Somewhere just over 600 cubic inches. Can't remember the exact details anymore.
This truck also has a Detroit with the Allison auto ;)
@@JayneCobbsBunk I know we had another Mack. It was a 1985 that had an engine built by Mack. It was a lot quieter than the War Wagon. The War Wagon was loud as hell when that jake brake kicked in. That 1985 Mack we had was smaller. We called it Speedy. It would take off really quick and the speed governor was set at 67 mph.
@@ChiefsFireman Pretty certain it has a Mack engine in it. Didn't sound like a 2 stroke Detroit. Also it had a gold bulldog "hood ornament", Mack only puts those on trucks that have all Mack parts, ie Mack axles, Mack engine, Mack suspension, etc.
@@AaronSmith-kr5yf I could be wrong, Just going by what the Chief told me when I was listing it, I personally never looked the engine over real good, just checked the fluids on it when our maintenance guy couldn't.
Holy hell... A old Mack that's the same age as ME! NICE Rescue!
You’ll have no problem washing the Aztec now 🥊👍🏻
Why i watched this video with an strange smile on my face?
(looking on Facebook Marketplace and auctions for Firetrucks....)
I think you finally bought a vehicle, that Tyler has possibly never owned.
The way some of these vehicles go from TH-camr to TH-camr, never say never. :D
Tyler has hanger space now. 😁
Man!!! Retired firefighter here. Either drove or rode on dozens of trucks from various manufacturers from the 1970's to 2000's. One department I worked for had a number of 1976 Macks, very similar to the one you got. Those Macks were absolutely the BEST pumpers I ever drove or rode on. Very friendly handling characteristics. Solid, reliable, hardly ever broke down. Tracked, accelerated and braked very well. When any firetruck gets old, they get put on triple life support. Air hose to keep pressure up, electrical plug to keep batteries up, and a garden hose in the booster tank, because the tank leaked when they got old. Great buy. Need to find the switch for the "Q" friction siren. Usually on the floor. That is what makes a real fire truck. Enjoy.
Q2B doesn't work, Could probably be easily fixed but we never really tried as our response area was so small, Tank surprisingly doesn't leak, but yes she has air leaks 🤣
@@ChiefsFireman Hey. To what address can I send a donation to help pay for the new truck? Thanks.
@@chuckb6691
Our mailing address is
Arcadia Fire Department
PO Box 8
Arcadia, Ks 66711
Thanks in advance for any donation! They are always greatly appreciated!
I would ask "why?" But honestly, if I had a spare 3K that was just blow it cash, and the wife was not looking......... It would have come home with me too. LOL.
The old macks are one of the most popular and most beloved older fire trucks in the country along with old American LaFrance ... she's in great shape body wise and engine sounds strong... take good care of her... there aren't as many around as there used to be anymore
Not sure if I'm more excited about the fire truck, or the fact that JR finally sold the SRT10.
Right! 😂
Living the dream. A warehouse by the railroad tracks. An Aztec. And a fire engine. I can’t imagine a more fun life. 😊👍👍
Please keep that thing in the garage she’s a beaut!
AHHH so cool! In the town I grew up in, two of my uncles were fire fighters - one was the chief. I grew up around the fire station and the engines. As many times as I go to sit in them and ride in them, I never got tired of it - still love them to this day. I'm glad you rescued the old girl. The town's fire department often did the same with someone always willing to buy the old engines, restore them and use them in parades. They had engines from the late 19th century (horse-drawn, steam powered pump) to the 1920s, 1940s and so one. Hope you have fun working on it!
Question:
What is a word that begins with "F" and ends with "UCK" ?
Answer:
Firetruck
I like it
Is this a Smosh reference?
Third graders everywhere are laughing
@@kendallsmith1458 I 1st heard it 50 years ago when I was in 5th grade, and never forgot it. 😎
Good Buy, The Siren alone is a Q2b and worth $600 on ebay.
YOU HAD ME AT FIRE TRUCK!!! this is gonna be great!!!
The tour of the truck is wildly long, these things are epic! 😳
@@WatchJRGo i started out in a 72 ford gas, stick and air assted hydrolics brakes, if you road the brakes to long you'd lose them. we has to replace the same section wall in our fire 2 times.. so we built a wooden work bench. was cheaper and easier to fix. than we jumped on to a 2001 mercedes night and day!! i really am serious when i say i'm so so excited to see what you do!!
When's the wetdown?
I am sooo jealous
I have a red 1970 Aussie built British Bedford truck but not a fire truck
Congrats Watch JR Go
Cheers from Australia
Tavarish buys a Yugo while John Ross buys a firetruck. I'm not sure which purchase can be considered the dumbest but Hoovie will top it for sure soon!
Where I live, fire trucks cannot be sold or donated for use as a fire truck once they're a certain number of years old. The intent is to prevent volunteer fire departments being given old unreliable equipment they can no longer get parts for.
You should do everything you can to make that a reliable truck and then find a place to donate it.
Lots of places in MX and further south would be thrilled to have it. I've read stories about retired firefighters driving old trucks to MX and Central America.
One of the main reasons we got rid of it, Parts were hard to find or stupid expensive! Far more then our $6k budget could afford.
@@ChiefsFireman I live in British Columbia Canada. That's why the province has regulations about the age of fire trucks. Volunteer departments in particular were being stuck with equipment too old to be of much use.
In the developing world the parts that are too expensive to replace in the USA may be repairable with their lower labour costs. Yes laboUr - that's English not American! ;-)
I'm sure there must be some internet presence for these current and retired fire fighters driving trucks to MX and points south.
I'm like a little kid looking at this....YOU'RE DRIVING A FIRETRUCK!!!
A gold bull dog on Mack trucks like yours signifies a truck that was made in America!
Actually Gold Bulldog signifies a Mack built engine, Chrome signifies a different brand, ie Detroit Diesel, Cummins, etc.
You and Demolition Matt buying trucks from fire departments. But he bought a water truck that came from Alabama. Now he is going to put a pump and tank on it. His is a former military truck. Looks great. Like every kid's dream.
Congrulations on a dream come true! I totally wish I has seen this up for sale. Have fun with it and thanks for helping out the fire department.
OK, so after you drove that firetruck, how long did it take for the smile to fade away?
I honestly want to go drive it around more, it's way too fun 💪
That's. The most driving that rig did in its life
Fade away ???????????
BIG thumbs up for our fire fighting folks!!
Support your local Fire Dept. Great Job ! John Ross
Beautiful truck! That's what they looked like when I was a kid. Brings back memories. Wow, I'm getting old.
Very cool! Up next...rebuilding that forklift.
Check the storage tank for the air system there could a slow leak out of the water drain. Those should be drain every so often
If this weren't true it would be funny but a volunteer fire department in Crescent Oklahoma burned to the ground recently so perhaps make the donations to them. Twin Lakes volunteer Fire Department. You'd think a Fire Department burning down would be a rarity but you'd be surprised.
Mack CF. A beast and a classic.
Awesome how you and Matt from Demo got a fire truck at roughly the same time!!!!
John Ross, I believe in you!
If there is one thing you have shown on this channel is that you are: dedicated, perfectionist, and systematic.
Thus, I fully trust in your judgement on that balcony 😀
8:48 I recommend you apply a rain repellent on the windshield of your truck, firetruck, and others.
It makes a huge difference, even with the wipers on. Rain flies away, and cleans quickly.
I have used many. RainX is usually available at retailers.
Firetruck day! You and Demolition Ranch. Too bad you and Matt cant get together for a firetruck tug of war.
"Engine 51, see the man ... "
Great find, JR! Excited to see what you do with it!
It's like you're locked in a mythic battle with Hoovie, Untouchables style. _They pull a knife, you pull a gun._
Hoovie buys a Police Car, WatchJRGo buys a Firetruck... :D
Hoovie: "I just bought the _cheapest_ Bradley APC in America! Let's take it to the Wizard's"
11:21 needs to be a picture on the wall. Silly Firehouse Sub hat on, JR playing with the sirens and that child like smile.
Next... Watch JR do the largest paint correction and ceramic coat on the internet
I use to enjoy driving our MACKs. I started on a 1962 MACK C-95. No power steering and a 5 speed manual transmission. I prefered crawling into the fire than standing outside pumping it.
My neighbor bought a firetruck a few years ago. The local fire dept. had to sell it because it was too old for them to be legally able to use it (it had under 60,000 miles on it.) The equipment it came with (hydraulic ladder with a hose nozzle that can be aimed remotely, a BIG water pump, hundreds of feet of hose, some of it spooled on power hose reels) is worth way more than he paid. Fire Departments are not permitted to use them anymore & there isn't much else you can do with a firetruck without major modifications. This truck had been put up for sealed bid auction before without getting a single bid. My neighbor paid a little less than what JR did for his.
Alot of larger department are using older trucks as blocking vehicle on busy roads. If someone hits the truck it's better to loose a $3,000 rig instead of the half million dollar one.
Where do you live because I've never heard of that? In most areas of the us it's you get whatever you can get
Cool and good for you. Thanks for your generosity to the FD.
$3000 for a running driving Fire Truck. That Fire Department needs to take negotiating lessons from Ed Bolian. That's a *STEAL* .
It seems like they always bring $6k at auction, that's why I didn't hesitate 💯
Is there any money in flipping it?
@@iufan71 pretty sure
We sold it so cheap so that we could move it Quickly, We are a very small rural department with a 3 bay station, and having a replacement Engine, a Tanker and a Brush truck takes up all of those bays, So Big Red was being stored at the Chiefs house until we could sell it. We were not looking to make a profit, just hoping someone would take it and give it a good retirement home! Seems we chose the right buyer!
That old Mack, complete with the golden bulldog still on the front is absolutely amazing. She’s beautiful.
I like it. Be careful working on it. Air brakes and suspension can be dangerous to work on. Get content JR
Great content is what I meant to type.
Well this is still 1000% better than mo vlogs *I BOUGHT A NEW ROLLS ROYCE*
I saw the same one, Im from great bend kansas I was looking at getting it too! 😂
I lived there a few years back! And my ex grew up there along with his parents. This is awesome to see!
Now you and Matt from Bunker branding can have a drag race at Cleetus and Cars Texas.
i drive a firetruck, a lot of those older firetrucks are slightly wider in the front than on the rear. When parking against a line, if its the case as mentioned, you'll need to have a small gap in the rear to be perfectly straight. If you hit the mechanical siren and then hit the siren brake (if it has one) you can make it sound like a cat
you dont have to hook it up to an air line, if the air tanks drain you'll just have to leave it on for a bit longer so that the air pressure builds up. Mash on the breaks a few times to see if it has a stuck air valve open. Also, drain the condensation from the air tanks, might have 2-3 of them.
Epic! Looks in amazing shape!
Thanks for living an Awesome life and helping all of us boys and men live and watch it through you! Your Awesome!
If they allow Memroial Day or 4th of July parades...you have a vehicle!
Excellent get, John Ross, excellent! When you finish upgrading, it will be worth the value of your second building to some small Kansas community or three. Play this right and this might be the start of a brand new cottage industry, but I see you've already figured that part out, haven't you. It wasn't a question. To all the maroons who think this was a frivolous buy, go back two years and watch this fellow doubling his net worth exponentially every 6 months during the worst forced economic crisis since the Great Depression while having more fun than a butcher's dog. Kudos to you, JR!
Where do you take that Firetruck to get a State Inspection?
I hope that they gave you a Fire Hydrant Wrench, so that you can hook up to one, and turn it on.
They probaly sold it because it wont pass inspection in a year or two
@@MP-vd1ck We sold it because it was becoming more then we could afford to fix, The parts are getting harder to find and more expensive, We operate on a $6,000 a year budget, We had just put over $1k in parts into it within the last 30 days and more stuff started going wrong, So it only made sense to look into a replacement. We managed to get very lucky and found a 1992 Grumman Firecat in good condition out of Ohio, they were asking $12k but worked with us to get to $8k on the price which we were able to persuade the City to buy.
If we had more station space we absolutely would have kept Big Red, but we only have 3 bays, and having an Engine, Tanker, and Brush we had no room for Red. So our next best option was to list it cheap and sell it to someone who would want it! We had no idea who JR was when we sold it to him, but were glad he was the one who got it!
@@ChiefsFireman I Believe some older cars have same issue parts harder to find and more stuff wears out due to age
@@MP-vd1ck Yeah, We loved Big Red, but the newer truck is a godsend, so much new technology, and has enough room in the cab we can seat 10 firefighters instead of 5 like in Red. Plus everyone gets a seatbelt!
Tune in tomorrow at 2:45am for the full tour of the fire truck! 100% Jake is spot on with JR’s upload schedule. But I friggin love it! Who doesn’t want a fire truck?????
Look at it this way : you'll have the fastest 911 response of anyone!
Built in Allentown Pennsylvania, "The Truck Capital of the World". It's very likely I have the very wrenches that worked on that truck's engine, and my grandfather might've even painted it.
You should donate this to a small town. Lots of small towns don’t have the budget for a good fire truck.
They would never have the money to do the maintence on it if they afford a fire truck
Unfortunately the maintenance costs to maintain the old girl are one of the main reasons we got rid of her, Needed something newer that wasn't going to break as often and the parts were cheaper!
Congratulations! You have done a great service to the brave and diligent fire fighters. Thank you John,
So I'm sitting over here watching South Park and click TH-cam to look something up real quick. Then I see on my top row of subscribed content - "I Bought a legit firetruck". So I'll probably forget what I was going to look up, but yeah didn't see that coming.
2:05 that's a happy kid with a firetruck
You’re on fire!
May be a good idea to engage the pump once a week or so to keep the seals in good condition. Cheers from a retired Aussie fire fighter.
Hell of a Deal, especially since it's a MACK
Please keep this all original! She's in beautiful shape!
"In today's Episode, I make the world's first DRIFT FIRE TRUCK"
Mack CF fire trucks are work horses. I got my start in 2006 volunteering and we had a 1991 and 1981 Mack CF (the 91 was a Mack/Grumman, and the 81 was a straight up Mack). Pressed into service there is no doubt either could perform today in 2021. The one thing I do notice is that it is a fully enclosed cab. That was likely (truly almost guarnteed) a later addition. The 81 we ran was an open cab, and even in 06 and 07 we were running her as our second due. I will say this too, if it wasn't for the experimental breaks on the 91 Mack/Grumman, she would likely be in service to this day. Yet we pushed her to second due in 07, and the breaks we couldn't get parts outside of custom machined parts, sadly money said to retire her even though she had years left to serve. Don't get me wrong, if I were to straight up purchase a new engine in 2021, yeah it would be a ton safer, but the fact remains that nothing made today can compare to what was made when Mack was in full swing in the fire apparatus business. Now we are running an 2007 Pierce and a 2001 Pierce (a used piece purchased to replace the 1991 Mack/Grumman when she was forcefully retired), and soon to be 2021 Pierce/2007 Pierce, yet I truly would want to rely on the '81/'91 Macks if push came to shove.